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 Christianity Etc › Re: Creative Thoughts About God (A Compilation) by budaatum: 9:02pm On Oct 30, 2017 |
Akdegreat:Like change from a god of wrath who gets pissed at everyone into a turn the other cheek God, right? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Creative Thoughts About God (A Compilation) by budaatum: 8:57pm On Oct 30, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:Why don't you discuss the Bible with atheists? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Creative Thoughts About God (A Compilation) by budaatum: 8:51pm On Oct 30, 2017 |
ZandhaZaraZ:Oops. I think you're getting it already. ZandhaZaraZ:EVER SINCE! That's been his position. His idea of god is the only god and their is no other god but his god. Cool ain't it! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Creative Thoughts About God (A Compilation) by budaatum: 8:47pm On Oct 30, 2017 |
ZandhaZaraZ:It shouldn't be difficult for the person you're responding to to comprehend?! You obviously have not yet grasped the infinite boundaries of his unlimited dumbness! O lord forgive me for he makes me sin! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Will Secularism Promote Religious Tolerance In Nigeria ? What's Your Opinion. by budaatum: 7:32pm On Oct 30, 2017 |
shadeyinka:The error is in the first part of you given definition: "Secularism is a belief system that rejects religion" That's not quite so accurate, and is somewhat misleading. It kind of impies a state of atheists. But is it quite so? Even in Communist nations, where they might have tried to stop people practising religion, they failed. The churches are still standing! And America, which is supposed to be secular, you got to actually say "God bless America, if you wished to be elected into government? Pointis, I may not be allowed to worship my teapot, but no one would actually be able to stop me from worshipping my teapot. In fact, my policy did come from my teapot, but I will pay some secular professor to write it up for me in secularly accepted language. And when I read it where policies are debated, I will say in my mind before I proceed, "Hail Teapot. To teapot is the glory. So may we tea". If I don't tell anyone my teapot said so, or that I read it in the Teable, or that I received it through the Holy Tearit who's to know? If the state attempts to regulate what one worships, it would by default be promoting a goverment imposed ideology, or religion, thereby making it effectively not secular. Please note, the other day when you visited. I was worshipping Teapot. You just drank the tea poured from my divine everlasting lord and master, Teapot. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Much Hell Do I Get? by budaatum(op): 7:02pm On Oct 30, 2017 |
P.s. I know you haven't been to hell so would accept opinions, careful considerations and beliefs I guess. but if you're claiming some sort of actual definitive knowing, .................... |
| Christianity Etc › How Much Hell Do I Get? by budaatum(op): 6:58pm On Oct 30, 2017 |
People argue about the non, or existence, of gods, but you hardly come across an argument over the existence of the devils. Perhaps its implied in the god argument I wonder - and gods are mere proxies for either. Yesterday though, the following thought crossed my mind. Kind of like a thought experience. If hell exists, and sinners go there if they haven't repented. Would a 'sinner', like me, a regular joe, never killed anyone born or unborn, told the occasional lie, stolen nothing huge and only from ma whilst in the early days of existence; said, "there are no gods" so a fool at best, broken say 62% of the commandments about 40% of the time etc. I know it goes, repent, accept Christ into your life, be reborn etc and live eternally, and in heaven I suppose. But if I don't, and then die, would my hell be the same hell as Pol Pot, Adolf Hitler and Luis Garavito, if they didn't get Christ either before they died? Would our roasting be equal, or would each receive an amount of hellish existence proportionate to our sins? I am assuming the teaching is, heaven or hell dwelling is forever (or till Jesus returns), and not like a jail term where you're set free after the punishment is served or rehabilitation completed. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Will Secularism Promote Religious Tolerance In Nigeria ? What's Your Opinion. by budaatum: 6:18pm On Oct 30, 2017 |
shadeyinka:No, I don't suppose so. Can't say I get your point though. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Will Secularism Promote Religious Tolerance In Nigeria ? What's Your Opinion. by budaatum: 4:36pm On Oct 30, 2017 |
shadeyinka:I don't quite think that's true. It surely simply means the gods cannot be the authority for policy. It does not mean I can't worship a teapot if I wished to. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Please Nairalanders Help My Mum Is Dying by budaatum: 4:24pm On Oct 30, 2017 |
emmanueloti65:Post photo, excuse. Post previous user name, excuse. Not one single person on the nl you've been on since 2009 has testified you are real. You want to be believed! Surely you know atheist like their evidence? Even believers do, or how many of then have made your world better? You are not here to help your situation dude. Post some evidence and your mother will be helped. Too many people pull this as a scam for any one with sense to send you money on a sob story! 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by budaatum: 11:02pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
DopeBoss:DopeBoss, you can start a thread. We'll contribute. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by budaatum: 10:59pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:Do you know how many posts you posted asking for contributions? You get one and that was your first response? Please, if you'd admit, the gods have a lot to do with what has been said, and the spirit of god in each person decides what each person decides to post. You need to know the amount of work you've put into to write what you post and show mercy to those who might not have done as much as you've done, or be aware of what you know, or just plain don't see it your way for whatever reason! You sir, must forgive, if for no other reason but that some may not know what they are posting - if that's the position you wish to take. But all that na yawa, so I make it small and easy to ignore. And I refuse to comment no further but to say: You were pedantic about me missing a single word. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by budaatum: 9:50pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:I feel you were responding to the following post budaatum:Which was responding to this: KingEbukasBlog:In which you were responding to this: Proudgorgeousga:Right? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Do Americans Need God? by budaatum: 9:18pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by budaatum: 8:58pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
Sapiosexuality:Sounds like, "one who doesn't quite know if gods exist or not but doesn't believe in their existence." |
| Christianity Etc › Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by budaatum: 8:53pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:Excuse me. But when I committed this sin with Empedocles, you made me serve penance! Serve Penance jo! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by budaatum: 8:49pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
urahara:You noticed the agony? He is going through a metamorphosis. Rebirth is painful. 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Agriculture Not Magic by budaatum(op): 8:37pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
*We need to rethink the hype about agriculture. Farming is not it, it is the business of agriculture.* Read the piece below. It is a lengthy read, but worth reading for any Agripreneuer... Agriculture is NOT the MAGIC solution - by Simon Kolawole Anytime I hear Nigerian presidents, ministers, governors, economists, analysts and commentators declare that agriculture is the alternative to oil, and that the solution to Nigeria’s economic woes is to return to the farm, I am tempted to jump up and ask at full volume: *“Who agriculture alone don epp?”* Some states have hilariously declared work-free days for civil servants to go to the farm. It would be nice to see those farms and how well the emergency farmers are doing. We’ve been told again and again that agriculture, as Nigeria’s biggest employer of labour, is the magic solution to unemployment, that we will export agricultural produce and earn plenty forex. Well done. I’ve been hearing this fairy-tale all my life. When I was a primary school kid, Lt. Gen. Olusegun Obasanjo, then head of state, asked Nigerians to tighten their belts because the oil boom would not last forever. He added drama by tightening his military belt on TV. He launched Operation Feed the Nation. My grandfather responded by setting up a garden in our backyard. President Shehu Shagari did Green Revolution. The structural adjustment programme (SAP) of Gen. Ibrahim Babangida was basically about diversifying into agriculture. In different shapes, forms, sizes and packaging, we have been talking about agriculture, agriculture and agriculture forever. Since we love glamorising our exploits in the export of cocoa, coffee, palm oil and groundnuts before the oil boom doom, I will pick on just cocoa to dispel this ill-conceived notion and never-ending campaign that agriculture is the magic wand. We used to be the biggest producers of cocoa in the world. Chief Obafemi Awolowo utilised cocoa revenue to develop the South-west when he was Premier of the region in the 1950s. But we dropped the ball along the line and Cote D’Ivoire overtook us. And now we are lamenting that we are nowhere to be found. The solution, therefore, is for the South-west to revive the cocoa farms. Oh, the good old days! Okay, let us talk about Cote D’Ivoire’s fabled cocoa wealth. *Cote D’Ivoire produces 33% of world cocoa* and exports to manufacturers such as Hershey’s, Mars Inc. (both in the US) and Nestlé (Switzerland). You know what *Cote D’Ivoire earns yearly from exporting raw cocoa? A whopping $2.5bn.* I repeat: a whopping $2.5bn! So Mars buys Ivorien cocoa and makes several products from it: Bounty, M&M, Mars and Milky Way, to name a few. You know Mars’ net income from chocolate products alone in 2015? According to the International Cocoa Organisation (ICCO), *Mars made a pathetic $18bn, compared to Cote D’Ivoire’s whopping $2.5bn.* Agriculture, indeed. If you are wondering how *just one company, which manufactures chocolate, can earn seven times more than a whole country,* which farms and exports the cocoa input, then you are asking the same question with me: Who agriculture alone don epp? On ICCO’s list of the *world’s top 10 companies in net revenue from chocolate,* you have three from America, two from Japan, two from Switzerland, and one each from Luxemburg/Italy, Argentina and Turkey. *None from Cote d’Ivoire, Ghana and Indonesia — the world’s three biggest producers of raw cocoa.* There must be something that Hershey’s, Mars and Nestlé know that we don’t know as we keep planting cocoa. To be fair, Cote D’Ivoire is waking up. In 2015, French chocolatier Cémoi opened a plant in Abidjan, the economic capital, to produce chocolate. President Alassane Ouattara, on touring the plant, said: “We want to be able to make chocolate for Ivoriens, for Africans and especially West Africans.” Ouattara (pronounced Wa-ta-ra) understands what we still don’t understand here: that *agriculture without industry is dead,* being alone. How could I buy cocoa worth $1m from you and make chocolate worth $10 million from it — and you think you are smart? *If you are smart, you will start making the chocolate yourself and stop romanticising about the “good old days”.* There was a video that went viral sometime ago. CNN’s Richard Quest visited a cocoa farm in Cote D’Ivoire. Come and see poverty written all over the faces of the farmers, who have been told for decades that agriculture is the magic solution to their problems. Quest gave the farmers bars of chocolate. They were eating the sweet stuff for the first time in their lives! *Compare their lives to those of the executives of Mars Inc., who buy the cocoa beans from Cote D’Ivoire. They are flying private jets and holidaying in the moon, while the Ivorien farmers are fighting off flies and bees in the bushes of Koffikro. For your information, Mars Inc. has no cocoa farms!* Don’t get me wrong please. If I have created the impression that agriculture is useless, I do apologise. That is not my intention. After all, agriculture is our culture. Millions of Nigerians are farming rice, beans, cassava and corn. That is huge employment. Also, we certainly can produce many food items that we are importing and burning precious forex on. But is that why governors are declaring work-free days for civil servants to go and plant melon and maize to solve Nigeria’s economic problem and stop the dependency on oil? If only these governors knew that *Switzerland does not grow one tree of cocoa, yet makes the world’s most elegant chocolates!* Let us break this whole agric logic into pieces. *If we really want to diversify from oil and create proper value, agriculture must give birth to industry.* If agriculture currently employs, say, 5 million Nigerians, *agro-allied industry can employ 15 million in the value chain.* So why do we spend so much time discussing farming and not industry? For example, how many graduates can a tomato farm employ compared to a factory making tomato purée? The factory will employ or engage the services of engineers, technicians, chemists, marketers, accountants, communicators, lawyers, administrators, drivers, and so on. It may even have a sick bay and employ doctors and nurses. I’m not done. A basket of tomatoes sells for N800 in Kaduna. A 400g tin of purée sells for N300. Look at how many bottles of purée you can get from a basket, and how much value you will be getting. Who, then, is making the real money? The factory will pay company tax, its employees will pay PAYE and the consumers will pay VAT. That is how government will boost its revenue. The purée bottle makers offer a different business altogether that employs workers and pays all kinds of taxes too. And if we are good enough, we can begin to export purée to other countries, and earn forex. This is just purée. Think of a thousand agro-allied factories. Think of our huge population. *Sure, agriculture is very important in a primitive economy like ours. But we always miss the bigger picture.* One, we need full optimisation of the sector to enhance productivity. A country like the US knows this much better: the percentage of the population engaged in farming is insignificant, but it is so optimised that the output is out of this world. For instance, the US produces enough rice for local consumption, for export, for aid and to dump in the sea to “stabilise” market prices. Two, *processing is where you find the massive job opportunities.* The agro-industry will yield far more output, more jobs and more economic value than Benue Friday Farming. These things look so simple and doable, but commonsense is not common. Our agricultural output can be far better in quantity and quality than currently obtains. We can do with better technology, storage, conditioning, packaging and transportation. Most importantly, *our brains should focus on how industry can bring out the real value of agriculture and spark off a chain of economic activities that will create millions of good jobs and generate billions of dollars in revenue to investors, employees and government.* But we seem excited only about preaching and promoting the export of raw produce, and we feel so smart we think this is the way out of our oil dependency! But how can we add value when, despite the billions of dollars we have made from oil since 1999, *we don’t have the basic infrastructure* to inspire an agro-based industrial explosion? Where are the *roads?* Where are the *rails?* Where is the *electricity?* Where is the *security?* Where is the *finance?* Yet I can point to uncountable private jets, mansions and customised cars that politicians and their friends have acquired since 1999 with proceeds from the oil boom , while they keep preaching stone-age agriculture to Nigerians. So if any of your governors joins this craze of declaring work-free days for primitive farming, just ask him politely: *Your Excellency, WHO AGRICULTURE ALONE DON EPP?* Share until it gets to Buhari and his ministers Audu Ogbe (Agric & Rural Development), Babtunde Fashola (Power, Housing & Works), Ogbonnaya Onu (Science & Technology), Dr. Chris Ngige (Labour & Employment), Eyinnaya Okechukwu Enelema (Industry, Trade & Investment). Minister of Finance should be involved too, Folake Adeosun. Own comment: I pasted because I believe in the write-up that it's worth spreading because I am involved in agriculture processing [truncated by WhatsApp] 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Say I Die Right Now, What Happens To Me Immediately? by budaatum: 10:00pm On Oct 27, 2017 |
Greene66:Yep. You'd be dead nothing. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Civil War In The Church? Can The Pope Be Wrong?? by budaatum: 9:56pm On Oct 27, 2017 |
wiegraf:Lol indeed! An interesting read too. A lot goes on in heaven that mortals aren't aware of. I found the following definition for humpty dumptyism: "Although Catholic teaching does of course change, it relies for its force on the illusion that it doesn’t. The feet may be dancing under the cassock, but the robe itself must never move." But that's me being facetious. There's a lot more important stuff in here! Thanks for posting. 1 Like |
| Islam › Sunni And Shia by budaatum(op): 3:39am On Oct 27, 2017 |
What's the difference? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by budaatum: 7:56pm On Oct 26, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:Thank you. But for now only. You know way too much to be ignored. Just wish the god you know were reflecting in you. Even I might convert! Sincerely, Thanks. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by budaatum: 4:00pm On Oct 26, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:KingEbukasBlog had previously mentioned Empedocles pre-dating Darwin on evolution. He also mentioned some others who equally pre-date Darwin. Darwin just 'followed others', as he correctly stated. Darwin renewed the idea for modern consumption. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Finally, To The Atheist/ Big Bang Guys. by budaatum: 3:35pm On Oct 26, 2017 |
Originakalokalo:Which is a human invention. Simple very primitive 'science'. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Logic Be Like... by budaatum: 12:49pm On Oct 26, 2017*. Modified: 6:12pm On Oct 26, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:Now, this, and your preceding post is what makes me consider what you write (excluding the nonsense of course), with regard sometimes. Please note, I am aware you do not require any back slapping from me, and that's not my intention though it may seem so. And your humpty dumptyism is quite amusing! You know way too much to sustain the position your two backslappers cheer you on for so you couldn't be the literalist you often appear to come across as when they are around. But I guess you'd have to decamp for the true you to surface, and god forbid you join those damned atheist and end up in hell! I suspect you face a dilemma. While god said let there be, you are willing to consider that it, or some of it, became by evolving into being. Yet all you've read must torment you. How do you manage to square it with what you must believe without doubt? Surely, if the creator could have used means not mentioned in the Bible, perhaps so much more is left out, or could be humpty dumptyised to mean whatever. Was Jesus not an atheist if one stretched ones imagination? That word some so detest did afterall simply once mean, "one who has disdain for the established gods and/or beliefs". I now understand how to read you. You are not arguing with any one on here per se, but resolving the torment you experience in your own heart by arguing with yourself. You then call your supporters to validate what you say, which forces you to remain within the bounds of which they can validate you. But here you are stepping out of bounds albeit tentatively, least the ground open up and swallow you! I'll have you know that it is an experience that Jesus promised you would have, and its a pity we on here are not sufficiently mature enough to assist you in finding your own way. We should have compassion for you, for you at least seek, but our atheistic obstinacy increases your resolve to stand firm in the light and claim you are in the dark and can see. The lord your god would hopefully find it in it's heart to forgive us. I've added two verses to the end. I know I need not explain or give refs. As to an interpretation, I have faith in your abilities. Your god guides you. Jesus said, "Let him who seeks continue seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will become troubled. When he becomes troubled, he will be astonished, and he will rule over the All." Jesus said, "If those who lead you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the Kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living Father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty." P.s. The atheist Jesus is mere rhetoric, for now. 3 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by budaatum: 12:09am On Oct 26, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:Poor child just has to see you the father, and it dare not depart from it! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Will You Do If God Ask You To Kill Your Own Child? by budaatum: 10:56pm On Oct 25, 2017 |
ColdSun:Tricky because we allow it to be, so we twist words to fit and lie to ourselves that Adam and Eve died. Just think, if I want to enslave people, should I allow them to have knowledge and information? Would I not ruin the schools, make sure teachers don't have resources, are stupid and use a syllabus based on myths which they can't understand so I get to tell them a meaning that reinforces my authority over them? I know I would. Would I allow them to "be like us, knowing good and evil?" How the hell can I lord it over them when their eyes open? Will I not make sure the majority of the resources flow into my coffer? Will I not then take a percentage back from the little I give them to boot?And if I can convince everyone that the good is the bad which they must avoid, tell me that's not result for me the slave master? "I'm sorry, but I'm not letting those evolved apes become human beings with minds of their own so they question me!" I'm gonna put chains round their necks so I can drag them wherever I want them to be and stop them having minds of their own so they can't question me, their lord and god whom they must worship, adore and obey! No one gets it yet, and the one being who came to show them, they yelled, crucify him and elevated the poor sod into heaven! Where did he say, "worship me, I am god"? Does he sound like a person who would change the law and ask people to have other gods? The day will come when people will understand what is meant when it was asked, "Know ye not that ye are gods?" They will stop walking by the Tree of Life and of knowledge of good and evil. They will pluck the fruits and eat to their fill and build a kingdom fit for gods, themselves. Amen |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Will You Do If God Ask You To Kill Your Own Child? by budaatum: 7:41pm On Oct 25, 2017 |
ColdSun:A parent who leaves a lit candle where their children will play with it deserve to have their house burnt down and thrown in jail for child abuse and neglect. However, that's not quite a proper interpretation of the myth of the Garden of Eden. 'God' is alleged to have said, "On the day that you eat, you will die", yet, they didn't die, and their eyes opened. One should ask, "Who was the god, the serpent who opened their eyes to the naked state of slavery they lived in, or the so called god who kept them in bondage? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by budaatum: 1:21pm On Oct 25, 2017 |
JackBizzle:Please try not to let him derail topics by bringing in irrelevant points. It is there attempt to drown what you're saying so others will not see it and they achieve their goal when they get you involved in their childishness. You know he'll call in his cheerleaders eventually so hay must be made early. Go back are see how much irrelevant back slapping they do! Thanks for the thread. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by budaatum: 1:15pm On Oct 25, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:You really think you're that important? Grow up. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by budaatum: 12:14am On Oct 25, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:So? It mustn't be mentioned again? Or you suggesting I go read where you wrote it? Are you like, 12, by any chance? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pentecostals Believe That Catholic Church Is Not A Bible Believing Church by budaatum: 11:51pm On Oct 24, 2017 |
Go to any church today and you'd hear them say, "In Jesus name, but when someone says "Hail Mary full of Grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed are thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus. Holy Mary Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death Amen." They accuse them of worshipping idols, and not being Christians. I guess their is a reason it is written that his father's house has many mansions! "Pray then like this: 'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.'" |
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