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GoodMuyis:
The first time your teacher tells you the -1-1 = +1, why did you believed?

"Your teacher" was crap. Good teachers prove it.

Can you present the evidence they gave for it please.

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bloodofthelamb:
BROS, HOW DO WE GO ABOUT LIVING A GODLY LIFE?...

OR, WHAT MUST WE DO TO LIVE A GODLY LIFE?

Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first command.

And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

LaClicKLaBenDin:
That's where you get it wrong: they are not preaching to the atheists, but only engage them in endless arguments upon arguments.

If the motive was to preach and convert them, it would have been different, but the observed motive is to show intelligence and whatever...

By the way, you don't win someone over by arguing with them constantly, you preach and then allow the Holy Spirit do His work: the Holy Spirit is the one convicts the sinner.

Thread please.

Daviddson:
I once heard the respected Christian Apologist Dr Ravi Zacharias who himself is a full time minister travelling around the world debating/preaching to atheists, Muslims, Buddhists, say this same thing. He warned against focusing the whole of our attention on converting atheists while our own personal Christian life needs an attention.

And he himself has diverse preaching focus: apart from his Apologistic work, he preaches on marriage, how to handle suffering, and many others. You see, he's not a oneway traffic man. Pls let's be wise. Let's take back this section from the atheists!

You have my vote.

lovingJehovah:
You shouldn't attack anyone. Jesus advised us to preach in Matthew 24:14, not to attack. The point is that the doctrine of the trinity cannot be totally proven by anyone even when you apply some logic and back it up with Bible verses. The truth is the truth and no matter how deep you sink it, the crystals will sparkle from any depth. I have met theologians who tried to prove the trinity. Sadly, the end of the explanation is always "God is a mystery", "You cannot understand the nature of God with your physical minds" etc.
I always wonder if they, who are of same mortal minds like me, feel deep in their hearts that they are angels to have been able to understand God better.
You cannot blame people that much because the revered religious men of today who are supposed to dish out the proper spiritual food to people pay paramount attention to things that are financially beneficial. So, you have an assignment in Matthew 28:19-20. @Ferisidowu do you do that?

I followed the arguments right through and find the fact you actually have engaged with the text very highly refreshing.

A lot of people try to square the Trinity argument but never confess they don't quite get it. They spew what they have been told to believe without realising they are actually killing one aspect of that Trinity they are claiming to be an aspect of God.

vaxx:
.. Africa has her own challengjes too but way better morally than europe.....

You have a warped idea of what morality means!

[quote author=Daviddson post=62301937][/quote]When Christian becomes what you are suggesting it become, I will stop being an atheist.

Thank you for this thread!

dalaman:
Why should any unbeliever accept the bible as the word of God? What objective and irrefutable evidence does the bible provide to show that it's claims are true? On what merits should it be accepted as true?

It's simple really. Read it as if it were the word of god, but be delighted that you don't believe in gods. After all, you've hopefully read a lot of fiction, haven't you? Did you believe the fictitious stories you read? Did you not learn from them?

I love books too much not to love the bible. In it's day, it would be the equivalent of handing everyone a library of books. How can that be a bad thing? But like everything, bad people will turn it to their advantage. And is that not the amazing story depicted in the story of the Garden of Eden?

"Ye shall not surely die, For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." And did they die? Surely not. But they who would turn it to their advantage twist it and claim they died by claiming dying does not mean what anyone would think it meant! If only people could think for themselves instead of claiming a 'Moses' should go up the mountain, for they themselves are not worthy of being in the presence of God!

Read further on and the stories in the Gospels put more flesh on the word. Is it not obvious that the Pharisees were copying the god of the Garden of Eden? A serpent comes along, except this time, those who know now call him the Messiah. 'Know ye not ye are gods', he claims, but this time, just so you don't get it, the quibble is over the size of the letter 'g' in the word god!

The merit of pudding is in its eating, some say.

"And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not." Please tell me that is not one of the truest statements you have ever heard!

It is the "Word of God" if you put on godly lenses when you read it. Without them, its at best, a good story book. But God save us from the believing sorts.

My apology for it's length.

konjinus:
i noticed a lot of atheist waste their precious time on threads talking about God especially the Christian God.  Are they envious of religious people? are they curious about God even though they think God doesn't exist?  Why do they have a predilection for Christian threads? Do they hate or fear Muslims?

‎In the reading of this, know that Go‎d means all gods, including Yahweh and Allah. ‎
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Atheist have various reasons for discussing with believers. Mine is because of the irrationality and sense of superiority some believers have, and the bigotry and their denigration of those who don't see things their way. Those who don't believe what you believe are a fools, is after all your mantra!‎ 

Agnes is a dear God worshipping simple woman in a Church I go to sometimes. She treats me like her child and I really look forward to seeing her. When she takes Communion, the wine and the bread must turn into the body of Christ and the blood of Christ for she opens her mouth and goodness flows forth.

A friend of ours once asked why I don't preach atheism to her. My response was, first, what do I give her in place of her God? (Atheism, after all, will be found to be lonely and devoid of the comfort and assurance she finds in her belief). Secondly, she cannot grasp what I'd be talking about (it would be like trying to convert her to Teapot worship!). Third, she does not judge or bother me because of my atheism. And finally, she has the right to believe whatever she wants, and so do I.

You believers on here though are a different kettle of believers - and I don't mean as individuals, but as members of a Nigerian society. And allowing you to impose your worldview is tantamount to evil worship!‎

You find it acceptable, for instance, not to require evidence for what you claim to believe, which is ok, except, tell those who do require evidence to believe as you do. You read one single book and make out that is all the knowledge that is required. And you are conditioned not to seek knowledge for fear that it will kill you. Can you imagine people who reason as stated being in control of a nation. The roads will not be tarred, bridges will not be built, the schools, the hospitals and other institutions will be dysfunctional, and the society such people live in will be nasty, brutal and short. And rather than rise up and do something about it, the people who live in such societies will be waiting for a messiah to come and fix it for them or console themselves believing there's some blissful place they go to when they depart from the hell they have created. But even worse than that is you believe your horrible world is heaven. ‎And when the Messiah does arrive, what do you do? You crucify him, crucify him, crucify him, and then refuse to acknowledge what you've done and blame others for killing the Messiah you knew not when He was amongst you!‎

The odd thing is that though you read the book, you understand it not! How come you miss the part where belief is for demons? And don't you start with God's love for the world! True as it may be, you just don't get how it is true! If only you could get how truly Jesus is Lord. You utter the words in the exact same breathe with which you crucify the thought! Salt of the earth? You? More like that which corrupts and adds bitterness if you asked me. You believe but abandon your God given responsibility. ‎Oh Jesus Christ, were not these those you railed and warned us about, saying they deal in stones and hand out serpents?‎ For bread
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The sad thing is, you have a world changing ideology - and for the good at that, where the lamb and the lion can dwell in harmony - but you don't get it, yet. The Christians hate the Muslims, the Muslims hate the Christians. And you want me to join in with you! God forbid bad thing. I can't stand the either of your bigotrys. It sure does not make happy dwellings for lambs and lions!‎
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If God does not build the house, the builders build in vain, says the Word. Go to nations that have understood this, (you will know them from a thread on here which states countries you are advised not to go to), you‎ will see that they tend not to believe much. They used to, believe, that is, but years of dwelling in the dark ages eventually put paid to that and they now live in light which you brave the scorching desert and the raging seas to get to! Black people live there, white people live there, Muslims live there as do Christians, and if the lions and lambs could be a metaphor for anything, they sure have created a society that is closer to heaven than the one we live in. 
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The book you read teaches that "there was light", but no one in Nigeria has figured out where the switch is yet. ‎You believe! But you do not deign to know!‎ ‎Your mode of thinking has to be challenged, and some of us have to be the instrument that does that challenging so that you may become bold enough to pluck the fruit off the most important tree in Eden and eat‎. ‎For only then will you abandon your infantile beliefs and ‎see that you are naked.‎ Until then, God will continue to be the figment of your imagination existing only in your minds, while you put forth arguments even you find invalid. ‎

So, worry not about me, the Atheist. If Christ can shed blood to save you, the least I can do is waste my time!‎

rekinomtla:
I'm just against plagiarism. Whether we agree or not with the content shouldn't stop us from calling people out for doing this. One Nairalander even criticized this gentleman for plagiarism even though he agreed with the content of the post.

I'm grateful you pointed it out. And please continue to do so. It is helpful in assisting ops to consider what they 'post', and the source adds context.

A dilemma appears for the atheist, though the believer would see it not and claim two and six is the same thing.

Apart from gods not existing (an atheist stance), why would God say do not eat of the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil? And what would the implications of this be if taken literally, metaphorically, or any other which way?

Do note, as an atheist, Satan is just another godlike thing that doesn't exist except in the mind of those in whom such things are created.

rekinomtla:
That post was plagiarized from this website's comment section. And its not the first time this gentleman has plagiarized someone else's comments.

Good thing then that I'm agreeing with the comment, regardless.

I've been thinking lately, that we sometimes attack the postings of people rather than engaging with the content of the post. It's why you see people insulting others for their opinions rather than engaging with the sentiments expressed. Saying that though, for some reason, I can't say people attack me for anything, well, not often at least. Must be the Spirit of God expressing in people when those of God, who are more likely to be antagonised by my stance, respond to my posts! I can't but thank you all for that.

Perhaps posters who copy from other sites should mind to show sources. It, perhaps, helps with credibility.

Notwithstanding, let it be known that I still agree with the post, irrelevant of it's source.

censeakay:
u suppose to tell me that i should live and die in Nigeria so na vatican i should go abi

Hmm, I wouldn't advise you go there o. While Popey has not yet sanctioned same gender poking, some workers - the cleaners, a source informs me - tend to have a little boys problem. I think he meant they piss themselves, though I can't honestly say I understood what he meant. He was talking in Latin, I think.

Please live and die in Nigeria. You will go to heaven afterwards!

Meanwhile

'Refugee crisis is manageable' says David Miliband

It is possible to deal with the refugee crisis around the world, the head of the International Rescue Committee, David Miliband, has said.

To suggest otherwise was “to succumb to the worst form of fatalism”, he told BBC Hardtalk’s Stephen Sackur.

Mr Miliband was the UK Foreign Secretary between 2007 and 2010 and MP for South Shields in the north east of England from 2001 - 2013.

Watch the full interview on BBC World News and the BBC News Channel on Friday 17 November 2017 or watch again on BBC iPlayer (UK only)

He specifically mentions Nigeria!

solite3:
The earth is the Lord's and everything in it. Christians are free to go anywhere or live anywhere God leads them to. I laugh at your ignorance.
The fool said there is no God..... BTW why are you afraid of Christian's freedom. Shm

Ah. Be careful o. Those homohomo people, they don't seem to discriminate o. And it's the devil that created these countries. God does not allow such freedoms! Just see how they dwell in darkness in those countries mentioned while in Nigeria we are free people!

Maybe tie a cross around the waist all the time, that might help, or bath in holy water all the time. But be warned staying from these hell countries is your bestest bet!

MistadeRegal:
You ehn...

Ah, this is serious matter o. They cook humans and eat people in those countries. We have to warn our people!

MistadeRegal:
Because it was only read by gay marriage couples!

Countries To Avoid As A God Fearing Nigerian

People please be warned o!

Op, stand at the borders and warn people about these countries please. If they refuse to go to 'better' countries, people let us consider taking their passport from them or blow up the plane self, preferably before they board! If you are too far from the border, please send your tithe. We can use it to save people.

Nigerian's must be saved!

Pdizzle:
you still don't get it.

'This one' has eyes that don't work.

Is helping still hands?

Meti99:
I laugh when I read some guys say "what is holding African youth backward is religion"

the problem of Africa is not religion but leadership. Africa don't even practise religion as much as the Chinese do...


stop looking for excuse for your failure. you can start a revolution of a better Africa but stop your ignoramous foolishness

Unfortunately, the religion is what creates the type of people by defining how they think and reason. Christianity in itself can be good or bad, but currently it is not of the sort that teaches people to be leaders. It rather teaches them to be followers.

Christ himself was a leader and if the Christian were like that, they'd easily shame we atheists, for which one of us could claim Christ is not the Messiah if Christians built factories and hospitals and created jobs and healed people. Who can confidently say God is not responsible for the transformation of a nation as huge as Nigeria? Can anyone confidently truly believe it is the work of one single individual? Would we all not have to carry some cross down the road of Calvary so all may be saved?

But no, they ask the sheep to pay tithes and hope for miracles and the idiots amongst them testify that someone they know told them some pastor woke someone from the dead! Do they not know the difference between bread and stones? Has their brain been removed from inside their heads or something, I often wonder.

If raising the dead were such a grand feat, why are we not in hospitals praising the doctors who perform such feats on a daily basis, or in schools praising those teachers who exorcise the devil of ignorance out of your heads? Why don't they get your tithes? O ye fools, giving unto 'Caesar' what should be given unto the things that are 'holy'!

But, verily verily I say unto thee, the day will come when those who are of 'Christ' will stop seeking God in a bang or at the end of the universe. 'Christ' will rise in your hearts and heads where God breathed him to be when he created you from mere mud. The 'Messiah's' will grab their 'crosses'. The evidence for God will be their works, and not just by some stupid dead faith that produces nought or some crappy belief they share with the devil and call a virtue. They will 'die' for their 'salvation', and for a living God, and not the crappy dead God you want to prove exists with no evidence whatsoever, you will save one another and all will live everlastingly. And the atheists who refuses to see the God living in your very own beings will indeed become the dementes vesanosque. In the mighty name of 'Christ', as is said.

Amen

Until then, slowly though it seems, but surely, a people of power are being built. I see!

LightSpirit:
Sadly, christianity (especially in Nigeria)now suffers a queer hijack by its mostly ignorant adherents. It is now for most "christians" a means to a materialistic end.

Whereas Holy Lord Jesus taught that "one can't serve God and mammon", but for naija, what is being promoted is that one can serve mammon by "God's grace".

Pay your tithes please. Me too want private jet!
Mein Gott's Grace

And if you are in Nigeria, please, please, please, don't buy anything made in any of these countries, and don't accept money from members of your family who live in these countries! They secretly put a devise in their products that will turn you into a homosexual, and their money will mesmerise you into preferring same gender relationships too even if the money was changed to Naira before you got it!

enilove:
There is no comparison between Jesus and Satan.

Sounds like just another epithet needlessly tagged on to Satan and Jesus then? I wonder if their similarities go further? They were both there when the world was said to have been created after all.

And the lesson is, those who live in glass houses should beware of stone throwing.

Or, taking from a book many seem to have read, "Judge not least ye be judged"

Oh, "and puny people should beware of intellectual giants!"

dalaman:
Hot tripe. Can the OP or anybody give us an example of the supernatural at work and how we can conclusively and irrefutablely know that it is the supernatural?

KingEbukasBlog:
You don't have the knowledge or ability to comprehend arguments for supernaturalism . It's a total waste of time and effort arguing for the supernatural with you . You are so ignorant of the argument that you affirmed the position of a supernaturalist while admitting to be a materialist . You are that confused and ignorant

KEB's response is typical, and rather true, unfortunately. You have to practise really hard as Alice found out.


"I can't believe that!" said Alice.
"Can't you?" the Queen said in a pitying tone. "Try again: draw a long breath, and shut your eyes."
Alice laughed. "There's no use trying," she said: "one can't believe impossible things."
"I daresay you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was your age, I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast."

Through the Looking-Glass, and What Alice Found There (1871)

urahara:
Something just dawned on me now , you joined Nairaland in 2014 , this 2017 , you have still been using the same recycled bullshit arguments , time and time again even though they have been thoroughly debunked countless times , but yet................ ..

And he keeps insisting he has won an argument or has debunked atheism but when you check threads where he claims to have done this, you notice all he's really done is repeat himself all over again while disregarding all opposing comments and insulting the commentator. Then his cheerling group turn up to pat him on the back.

Funny enough, the reason there is a lot of Yoruba atheists, is the same reason that most of the mega pastors are Yoruba too. (I don't know if Yorubas are most for either though as I have not counted).

I guess Yorubas read a lot.

Atheist tend to have read much wider than the mainstream religious texts in their search for god, and so have most pastors, and once you step out of the religious texts you're bound to find out a lot about gods and how they are created. The outcome is to either get a pulpit, collect tithes and buy a jet, or completely turn against the whole god shenanigans.

You'd be amazed that some vicars in the CoE and the Catholic Church are atheists, though they'll claim to be agnostic at best.

AlmiqhteeAllah:
Lol. Typical theists.

I knew they were making a mountain out of a mole hill---as usual.

Yep, as usual. I'm beginning to think they actually delight in posting stuff just to waste ones time and data. I got one of them condescendingly trying to waste my time with giants!

Ioseph:
I'm no muslim nor am I a Christian - I am a complete Atheist through and through, but JihadWatch is a sensationalist claptrap filled with pathetically obvious anti-Islamic and pro-US Foreign Policy political motivations and a cherry-picking attitude with regards to history in order to paint Islam as the big bad bad and Christianity as moderate good good, creating the illusion that they have revealed something scandalous about the West's attitudes to the Islamic World. I don't suggest copy-pasting from their pages because it shows the impression that you are not willing nor capable of holding a mature discussion on the subject yourself.

Here's a post you should have heeded op.