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Maynman:
You read in English, jesus spoke English?
Man, the Jesus story you are reading has his origin from Hebrew Bible, there’s nothing like “logos” in Hebrew. Logos means word in Hebrew.. is Jesus not a Jew? Didn’t they call Jesus, christ. What does christ mean in Hebrew.

The Jesus story has its origin from a lot of places, Maynman. You'd find it in Egypt, for instance, and in Greece, as pointed out already.

Logos does not mean mere "word" in Hebrew, and the New Testament was written in Greek.

Maynman:
Who is Yahweh?

You might as well have asked, Who is Bacchus.

Some people's god, I suppose.

Maynman:
In your body, you have soul, spirit and flesh.
Man shall not live by food alone, it’s only the flesh that has appetite.

My flesh does not hunger for learning, so my soul and spirit must have appetites too, for all the gods may have written.

That said, one aspect of the trinity I may be can not survive alone.

Maynman:
The book you are reading has an history, it was written from Old Testament to New Testament.

With a lot of Egyptian and Greek and Babylonian and surrounding philosophy in it too.

And please! The books I am reading.

Maynman:
Is Hebrew and Greek not the language used?

Mostly, I read in English.

Maynman:
Who was the God, your logos was referring to?

I don't think Heraclitus and Aristotle referred to Logos as God.

Maynman:
Old Testament was written in Hebrew, logos is not a Hebrew word.

As I repeatedly mention, those who read only one book will be malnourished. Logos is not in the Old Testament but in the New, which was written after Yahweh met Greek philosophy.

Maynman:
Flesh is the appetite, it’s the flesh that needs food and vices.

I must be flesh then, because I am very hungry and need food now. In fact, I'm going to go shop. I got no food in the house to eat.

Maynman:
Since you translated word as logos from Hebrew.

No, I never "translated word as logos from Hebrew". In fact, my journey began with Greek and Egyptian philosophy, as pointed out. Hebrew came much later.

Maynman:
Shouldn’t you also translate what they call “God” in Hebrew?

Why just "God in Hebrew"? Why not Gods from elsewhere too? There are lots of gods, so why concentrate on one?

Maynman:
It was that “God” that sent logos right?

According to whom? Or, what? Did you not see me use the word "malnourished"?

Did 'that “God”' send Logos to the Egyptians from where Jesus is written to have gone to get it from?

Did 'that "God"' send the Logos to Heraclitus and Aristotle too?

Maynman:
What Jesus meant in that verse was that man shall not live by flesh alone, it’s the soul that does the living.

That is your understanding. My own understanding is that those who don't use the brain in their head and their other senses will remain stupid and ignorant and malnourished.

I guess my soul does not do my living for me since I like rowing my own boat.

sonmvayina:
You are just confused...

In one breath you talk about reading and understanding

In another you talk about actual people in the stories..

Why is it hard to know the stories are allegories? And understood as such.

Why are you accusing me of what you are doing, son? Am I writing beyond your level of comprehension perhaps?

budaatum:
One shouldn't read Things Fall Apart, for instance, and start believing an Okonkwo killed an actual Ikemefuna, so why read a book and start believing in gods?

The stories are not only allegories, son, they are also mythology.

Please post the meaning of mythology so I know what you understand.

Maynman:
How’s Jesus the logos?

Now that's cleared up. One makes Jesus the Logos by considering the words that one reads.

I'll give an example.

Take "humans shall not live by bread alone but by every word the Gods wrote".

The fill in the blank version is, humans who live by one book will become malnourished.

Maynman:
How’s Jesus the logos? Didn’t they send the logos to the other messiahs in Old Testament?
And how did you know Jesus is logos? Why didn’t you follow that pattern up for God too.
John 1:1 said The word(logos) was god(blank). We need to fill in that blank.

Did you not see me mention other Logos peddlers apart from Jesus?

Are you aware John 1:1 was not an original thought but was copied from somewhere else?

Kindly do not assume words mean to me what you think they do.

https://www.nairaland.com/6434802/what-real-name-islamic-god/7#103872464

Maynman:
You were once an atheist right?, what reasons did you have against Jesus then, and did you satisfy those reasons before you believed in Jesus again.

This will require multiple answers as it is multiple questions.

1. buda is not a believer. I choose to understand.

2. I am still an atheist (and a Bible reader, and a Quran reader, to name a few). Gods are the figment of the imaginations of those in whom gods have been created. My Lord and Happy prove that fact. They believed what they did not understand. One shouldn't read Things Fall Apart, for instance, and start believing an Okonkwo killed an actual Ikemefuna, so why read a book and start believing in gods?

3. I never had anything against Jesus (the Logos). That would imply a refusal or an inability to read and reason - as in, ask and seek and knock - with one's own senses. I'd call my self a word worshipper. Worship, as in, read and endeavour to understand.

My first God book was Homer's Odyseus, followed by Egyptian gods. One didn't believe in those gods so it would be absurd to believe in gods one reads elsewhere instead of try to understand what one reads.

NB. I feel I haven't answered you, and just remedied your assumptions. Apologies.

HardMirror:
1. Are children of these days worse than the older generation?

I see a lot of myopic comments claiming the world has spoil finish. This is not true. Underage children has been engaging in stupid things from the days of Adam and Eve. Children that grew up in an environment where they learned about sex early always end up having sex early. When I was still in Primary school in the 1990s, I knew some of my classmates who where already sexually active and I attended one of the best schools in Jos.

You all should read Konkoja's My Journey - Sexuality. It might make you pay more attention to your own kids.

LordReed:
You were born lucky my dear buda. LoLz. People like us had the spirit crushed out of us by brutality, the only thing we knew how to do was submit.

And how so brutally 'we' crush one another. It's like living in Plato's Cave full of Borg's. "You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile"

budaatum:
When I was like really young, these mates of mine who grew up in Obanikoro Village told me rats talk. Well, even at barely 7, I was atheistic in nature, so I argued that rats don't talk. Now there were like 5 of them, so they ganged up on me calling me all sorts of names and that I know nothing, "rats talk jo!"

One day, about two years later, we were in the home of one of them and NTA was showing Tom and Jerry. "There," they said, pointing to the telly. "I thought you said rats don't talk?"

Turns out oyinbo rats do talk, silly me!

It's why compassionate Jesus is a very good study. He stepped out of the cave and returned to free those in it and they just crucified the poor sod and only later did they realise he was the messiah saving them. Unfortunately, many remain in the cave.

Now, Buddha, on the other hand, never delved back into the cave to save anyone and no one therefore crucified him. 'If you wish to be saved', Buddha would say, 'step out of your cave and use your own senses and save yourself'.

Buddha would also have said, 'Jesus is the Way, but the Way is not the destination'.

HappyPagan:
Heeehe.. I go through some of my old comments on this site.... When I was Christian... Eeiishhh....

LordReed:
Oh Andromeda, you too?! LoLz.

I feel for you guys. The thought of 'believing' a book without questioning is absurd, and probably why I never quite did so well in Nigerian schools with teachers you dare not question, especially since in my kindergarten was I appointed six honest servers.

I keep six honest serving-men
(They taught me all I knew);
Their names are What and Why and When
And How and Where and Who.
I send them over land and sea,
I send them east and west;
But after they have worked for me,
I give them all a rest.

I let them rest from nine till five,
For I am busy then,
As well as breakfast, lunch, and tea,
For they are hungry men.
But different folk have different views;
I know a person small-
She keeps ten million serving-men,
Who get no rest at all!

She sends'em abroad on her own affairs,
From the second she opens her eyes-
One million Hows, two million Wheres,
And seven million Whys!

Rudyard Kipling

We need a coup in our education system!

Here's one of my favourites.

Thoth, (Greek), Egyptian Djhuty, in Egyptian religion, a god of the moon, of reckoning, of learning, and of writing. He was held to be the inventor of writing, the creator of languages, the scribe, interpreter, and adviser of the gods, and the representative of the sun god, Re. His responsibility for writing was shared with the goddess Seshat. The cult of Thoth was centred in the town of Khmunu (Hermopolis; modern Al-Ashmūnayn) in Upper Egypt.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Thoth

Thoth was the vitally important Egyptian god of the moon, medicine, science, wisdom, and magic. Depicted with the head of an ibis, he invented writing, was the divine healer, and acted as advisor to the rest of the pantheon.
https://www.mayoclinicproceedings.org/article/S0025-6196(12)62084-9/fulltext

Smart people wonder how he protected Isis during her pregnancy and healed the eye of her son, Horus, and then they go on and do greater things than he did, while some will bow down and worship.

sonmvayina:
Draw it in a picture and post it...the image you saw.

I do not think it proper to paint a picture of my grandfather's consciousness leaving him, sonm. If you have not seen consciousness leave a person, perhaps its you who have not seen a person die.

LordReed:
That time when budaatum was an atheist and LordReed was a Christian. Now my dear buda loves Jesus while I'm an atheist. How the tables do turn my dear buda. LoLz.

My Lord, buda always loved Jesus. One can't love Buddha and Mohammed and Lao Tzu and Atum and Darwin and Aristotle and Fela and Thoth, to name but a few, and leave Jesus out. They are not one same linage, but they are the evolution of the idea of things we call gods, and the fact we call them gods means some people at a particular point in time considered them important enough to 'worship', and I love knowing why. It might be they found wealth in a field and hid it, and I love wealth.

Love the fact you didn't say buda is now a Christian though. I'd have had to go do something unchristainy so my reputation isn't tarnished. I can't wait till we evolve from Jesus the Messiah, to Jesus the Logos. They shall Jesus truly live.

sonmvayina:
You are just pissing everywhere..
That people loose the ritual does not mean they died.
Can death die?
Can darkness die?

I'll put this down to your inability to understand the use of the word. In truth, gods only live in the minds of people, and once the minds stop accomodating the gods and worshipping them stops they die off.

sonmvayina:
Jesus christ as an individual never ever existed.
The romans/Greek elites created the character from the different mythological story flying around in the ancient world.
Christianity then was the worship of serapis christus
It was already a thriving Cult, in Egypt and around the Roman empire.
The Cult was hijacked at the Council of nicea and all the dogmas around him created as time went on.

gods are the personification of the laws and principles of life.
God is the existence itself.

God too never existed, sonm. Yet here are we discussing and learning regardless.

There is a reason "a thriving Cult, in Egypt and around the Roman empire" survives till this day.

sonmvayina:
What was the image of the thing that left?

The image of the thing that left was consciousness which I have described already. Same consciousness I see in you and will notice once it leaves you.

And before you claim image, remember you don't see consciousness in a stone. Or at least you have yet claimed you can.

bestmutiu2019:
Meanwhile the first born that is staying with his street uncle he also order that man not to let any of us to see him.
PLEASE I NEED YOUR ADVICE ON WHAT TO DO,I TOLD MY SENIOR BROTHER TO TAKE ACTION THEY COME UP WITH NOTHING,PLEASE I NEED YOUR ADVICE,COS I CAN KILL THIS MAN

Op, update please. Did you scar those twins?

FAO Ibime.

https://wolfstreet.com/2022/04/18/margin-debt-drops-further-amid-imploded-stocks-broad-stock-market-sell-off/

sonmvayina:
Have you been opportune to witness the last moment of anybody?

Did you see the consciousness leave?.

It leaves and becomes part of the universe..

Sorry if I came our strong...not my intention

Depends what you mean by "consciousness leave".

My maternal grandfather became much less conscious over the last couple of years of his living. A man who once knew all his grandchildren by name reverted to calling everyone ọmọ, and by the last few months of his life he was not conscious of his mouth and his ass.

Yes, I've been "opportuned to witness the last moment of anybody", and seen "consciousness leave". Ma was a nurse, so I spent lots of time in hospitals.

sonmvayina:
Nooooooooooooooooo

Gods don't die...
Does the moon evolve?
Does death evolve?
Does envy evolve?

People just loose the original ritual on how to reverence them...just as most yorubas loose the ritual on how to please Sango....

Yaweh is NOT the Jewish God.. but cannanite..

That is how and why they are said to have died, sonm. Once you "loose the ritual on how to please", it just dies off like most dead gods fickle humans forget to worship. Gods live because we humans give life to them.

Kind of shows who the gods are. Those who create them kill them once their use by date passes. A reason for Easter, actually. A ritual to remind of the resurrection of the god, which you'd find in most religions, hence, Easter's "Christ is risen! He is risen indeed! Aleluya amen".

What is Christ, Sonm?

basilico:
I present two images here from a concerned parent.
Just what is happening?. Children in school are being sexualized.
Parent saw her kids maths logical homework.
Grade 9 maths homework talking bout pimps and prostitution.
Angela Mayeou is reference point

I do find it amusing that parents are finally being forced to monitor their childrens' school. If parents attended their teacher parent meetings, they've have had a hand in the curriculum ages ago.

Governor Michael Lynn Parson should have done something about this long ago. Pity he must be a woked Democrat, along with the State legislative.

Below is further info on what you posted.

https://asrainvestigates.substack.com/p/apologies-for-maya-angelou-math-worksheet?s=r

sonmvayina:
God is the universe itself. Often viewed as a singular unit. The ancient babylonian called it Marduk, the jews calls it Hashem, the igbos calls it chukwu, the yorubas calls it Eledumare, the binis calls it Osanobua, the Egyptians calls it Ra....etc. same idea different nomenclature. It is the universal consciousness..personified and embodied.

gods on the other hand, sometimes referred to as the sons of God referes to the laws and principles of life or nature.

We are part of God and God is part of God. If for this argument the devil actually exist, he is part of God he can't be an equal opposite of God. In other belief system, where the idea was borrowed, the devil refers to darkness. And often times symbolized by a man with a goat head(Baphomet)or the moon.

As part of God, I recognize my role in the scheme of things. The best I can do is maintain it by following the best optimum rule to achieve it. I recognize the desire to live in nature. The power that ensure the survival is what I refer to as God..
The only worship that I can give is obey the laws of nature to live optimally within the matrix....

Now, how I wish I can say you create like a "part of God", but I guess if you model yourself after Yahweh, the God who has not yet managed to tame his demon, one should not be surprised at you destroying with rudeness.

Do you think Gods evolve, son, as in, grow over time before they eventually die off?

sonmvayina:
Have you seen the shape or image of consciousness?

Lol, you are very funny..


You really want to learn, but your ignorance still keeps getting on the way..do something about it...

I don't understand why the rudeness. You were made conscious of it a while ago but still seem unconscious of it. Am I not doing something about my ignorance by asking you questions?

I may not have seen the "shape or image of consciousness", but I have seen consciousness itself. I mean, you are not an unconscious rock after all, but a conscious being with a shape that I clearly see.

sonmvayina:
Yes you have and I remember answering you.

I will answer you;


The original rendering of the Genesis creation account is
"And God formed man, from the DUST of the earth and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a conscious being...

Earlier it says "let us (God +earth ) make man in our image after our likeness"..
The earth provides the dust for the body and God makes it conscious.
God is consciousness....personified.

That's an interesting take. A talking earth and an imaginary god, yet hard to argue that the earth (plus the sun, I dare add) didn't have a hand in human creation, especially since we agree the text is not for believing.

Are you aware that the text also says one must not create images of God, which is what you'be done in claiming "God is consciousness"?

Might that not be because the word God represents an indeterminable thing (or idea)?

sonmvayina:
God is the totality of the consciousness of the universe....

Explain, son.

What is "the totality of the consciousness of the universe"?

I'm asking because you've kept repeating it and it would be bad of me to assume to know what you mean when I don't, though I certain I've asked you this before.

IMAliyu:
a General Intelligence AI (if sentient) would be fully capable of witnessing the creation of another like it, and would have the ability to go through the generations of documentations in the research of AI done by humans, and it's own coding and draw it's own conclusions on its origins.

Keyword, "intelligence" - the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills, which you superboost with "sentient", as in, being able to perceive or feel things, with implied sense use. You added "ability" in case it is not already recognised, with "research", implying 'sense use' again, along with the depth of "generations" one needs to go seeking with them.

Basically, use all your senses to ask and knock and seek.

IMAliyu:
If you don't know the what an opposing position says you can just simply ask or look it up.

Can you therefore see why it amuses that you say "look" to those who cover their eyes so they may not see because they have already seen.

Now, if only such people could learn from their Messiah.

IMAliyu:
sigh...
I'll let the Judges decide on that.

The evidence is on display!
https://www.nairaland.com/6547175/see-how-young-deception-began#101557777

Bsquare1111:
The Freemason is just one of the many orders of the Babylonian brotherhood

They are there to confuse and manipulate the masses, even your precious religions and his books are from them and being edited by them.
Your education is from them, you think and talk the way they want.
Their manipulate method is within you and always around.
And the goal is one world order which has been there from Millenniums.

I assume you mean, everyone everywhere ruled by one person, or organisation, or country, or perhaps, continent?

My own tiny Orolu Kingdom of Ifon Osun first needs to come under such a rule everyone submits to, yet, we refuse to submit to our obas such that we kill them every 10 or so years.

Perhaps our oba is a bad manipulator, I suppose, but we don't submit to our governors neither, we being where the last elections had to be rerun. More important, have you not heard Russia is bombing Ukraine? Freemasons must have woefully failed "one world order" manipulation on that one.

Seriously. Do you see free minded ubber rebellious Nigerians submitting to "one world order", Bsquare1111, we Nigerians with our inability to submit to one world order on our roads and even in our homes, not to talk of in our communities?

Don't you think "one world order" would first manipulate us to not litter our streets, which we carelessly do, and or respect one another, and most definitely, our so called leaders?

The world is a very big place with lots of diverse living beings, is what I think, and before ordering the world, 2 or 3 must first order themselves, but if they don't order themselves, I'm glad someone is ordering them, because unordered people never build anything and they often just destroy.

Least I forget, I am manipulating.

You must resist!

DissTroy:
This is the very reason you really should submit your mental evaluation report.

I stated the Saudi's and key Leftists have been revealed to have significant stakes in Twitter, and pointed out the relation to trend suppression of the Saudi regime atrocities and Leftist bloopers, but your reply is about Trump taking pictures with the Saudis on official state visits.

You need help, and quickly too.

Did drumpghtp not know he was meeting with Biden and Democrat's friends when he was signing dodgy deals with them? He could have included twitter in the deal if he did not like their investment in twitter. Damn, he could have even quid quo prod the $8.1 billion arms deal he signed with them, but I guess its more evidence how lousy he must be.

In May, the Trump administration issued an emergency declaration to push through an $8.1 billion arms deal to Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Jordan without congressional approval. Proponents of the deal contend that a fresh supply of weapons is necessary to counter mounting Iranian aggression that threatens to destabilize the region and put U.S. security interests at risk. However, the declaration provoked anger from both Democratic and Republican lawmakers, who have criticized civilian deaths caused by Saudi-led air strikes in Yemen.

“There is no emergency to the United States or to UAE or to Saudi Arabia regarding the war in Yemen,” Rep. Ted Lieu, D-Calif., who introduced the measure to stop the deal, said on the House floor before the 246-180 vote. “It is a horrific humanitarian problem. The Saudi-led coalition has killed countless civilians. But it is not an emergency that would justify weapons sales to Saudi Arabia and UAE that bypasses congressional procedure.”
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/saudi-arabia-arms-deal-trump-what-to-know/

DissTroy:
The more pressing issue about the Twitter debacle most people are missing is, Saudi Arabia and key Leftists have large stakes in Twitter which explains trends suppression and mass targeting of Right-leaning accounts on Twitter.

Also, it explains why there are never trends about the horrors by the UAE and Saudi government. All of these is coming to for with Elon Musk asking questions on Twitter.

Not to forget that Saudi Arabia backed a Joe Biden presidency and the leftists are in and with them.

Saudi Arabia must have played that dump, or Kashoggi might have been a problem.

sonmvayina:
All Gods require sacrifices...whether white or black..

Blood sacrifices, son? What for?

And is that not the reason Gods die?

budaatum:
Imagine Americans having to put up with Russia type sanctions and it's inflation alone, Jan 6 will be like a celebration party compared, and Let's Go Brandon will be Let's Burn Biden, left and right.

I would not agree that the west is losing any strength through sanctions. Sri Lanka, Greece, I hear, are rioting. Watch to see as others join in, including Russians, eventually.

Ben, I forgot to mention the demonstrations in Africa. Expect more all over the world.

‘Down With France’: Former Colonies in Africa Demand a Reset
Decades after independence, many African countries are increasingly troubled by the ongoing influence of their former colonial power.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/14/world/africa/france-macron-africa-colonies.html?unlocked_article_code=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACEIPuomT1JKd6J17Vw1cRCfTTMQmqxCdw_PIxftm3iWka3DJDm8eiPsSGYyMvE7Df6tobpw9xT2dT9IENbYkXvt0i-ZRJU1mQkyjpZ-DnpUIOGM1tYe3FCsQ7q76YIoZo3Xsf3Xrb6B23qG-tBaLdzS5X_aM13VxOFo1pcN6cQuh0WgDz6uSDrR22oR1iqx3AsssRiwSJ3Xf54meABV0OtyFZxzY-1N2D7kfAWeP6Ibav7EQcwxSCkbESWd85As869BaOdAUO8XvPkJqOZq-0fhKVDsefMr-DIYxRoPUi7xtrbbLzBeMw8e0zP0yf75GDNrUDcuj-sQ8s-ZFlr5d7w&smid=url-share

Damn that giving html!

TheSourcerer:
I liked your post

I know you did. Somehow, my Bible quoting does not blind you to what I might mean as it does some which is why you are so much appreciated.

Some day, we shall discuss it in a thread so others may see.

emmy4real94:
Stop qouting religeous books. The thread asked for your personal opinions using your commo sense, not religious thoughts...

The person who opened the thread (now?) understands how my personal opinion is reflected in the religious books I quote, and they are neither common nor "religious thoughts".

budaatum:
The Bible quote was not quoted as "some special divine knowledge", especially since it is common knowledge that a divinity did not write the Bible.

The fact it's written in the Bible is actual evidence of what "ancient cavemen (before the Bible....)" knew, and have bothered to write down so we current humans may read it and know too, or at least check to confirm or not, instead of ignorantly making up some imaginary afterlife to believe in.

Assuming you meant me, that is.