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Keketu:
hello good morning, please this attitude is bad for female please, many girl no husband today , is because of attitude on the part of girl .. many lady in their 18 still looking for husband with make up when in truth, to get husband even at 40 is way behave as against make up. please take note of this

Chii59:
These are two different countries. Two different issues. Bring a similar example of what happened in America.

Magnoliaa:
She's a female DOING and BEING and PROVING. Goddd. Were Yorubas killed and oppressed and dehumanized and are subjugated in exactly the same way women are/were?

Your personal convictions do not hold for all. And that is fine. Celebrate how ever you want. If you didn't create this thread for like-minders to echo your thoughts and you directed it to the people who are celebrating her, then consider what they are saying.

Everybody knows a particular crowd that are celebrating her, but you're trying to rip this off a women's right stand. "I'm talking to you people oh, but don't come close. I haven't mentioned you."

If another woman should do anything notable like this, in another field, she'll still be celebrated come tomorrow, because (and you don't have to see it), there are biases about women and what they can do or not do. The more women change these narratives, the better.



You almost got it here. A woman winning an elective position because it was decided that she FITS is the essence of equality. It's showing that women can LEAD and is helping dispel myths about how women are only good as cooks and whatever. Despite or in spite or whatever of her being a woman, she ran, and she's in that position. Rigging? That's on the electoral system. The point is a woman is doing it (and I'm aware that not everything a woman does is empowerment, but when it comes to such issues, we'll hash it, within its context).



Hathor has explained why Kamala is different. Men lead and are selected all the time, no one bats a lid. There's nothing different happening. Me asking you to point out male politicians you've criticized before because of hype, is because you're asking why the undue hype of Kamala.

Or you mean you're asking why the undue hype of Kamala as a VP? Or as a woman? They are inseparable. Because in answering why the "undue hype" as a simple running mate, I'll respond with a gender-specific reason. And this reason(being woman) doesn't mean she doesn't have the brains for being a VP.

We're hyping because she's a woman, yes.

But Biden would not be making decisions alone na? They both won. You can't rule out Kamala's influence. She happen to be a woman, and we're celebrating that.

If Biden didn't win, no problem... She'll prolly still be another woman at the echelons of politics running for presidency/VP like Hillary, making two of them. The trend is getting set until it becomes normal for more women to run along men for such positions.

Are you using the "VP position" as a loophole? Male politicians get hyped. Men are hyped, in every way, and I'm saying I've not seen you question that 'hypnotic, cult like pull' men in powers hold over the masses like you're doing to Kamala. Trump is always inciting vawulence; IPOB sees him as a Messiah, so, Harris as well can be hyped to Pluto and back by online-warring independulant weemyn. Whether as a VP or as a woman. Dazzol I'm saying.

cococandy:
You’re the one who asked “why the idolization”.

I’m telling you it’s not idolization (as in she has personally done something unimaginable) . Rather It’s a celebration of the symbolism of it.


We are not celebrating that we have seen a black woman who finally measures up to white men.
We are celebrating that we (Americans) have gotten to a point where we have overcome some of the obstacles put in place to make sure people like us never make it to such positions despite being qualified.

That’s the reason for the noise.

Hathor5:
The hype is that she is THE FIRST FEMALE OF COLOR to become the VICE PRESIDENT OF THE US. Combination of achievements with personal traits which often are a hurdle to becoming what she has. see red

femi4:
It's a joint ticket. Only party name is on the ballot paper

Chii59:
Kamala Harris, not minding my reservations about her, deserves to be congratulated, even celebrated. The first female American VP is no small feat. She try.

99thEnemy:
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Hathor5:
It does. She is THE FIRST FEMALE VICE PRESIDENT in America and OF COLOR too. That's new. That's special. She is THE FIRST to have achieved it. That's a historical milestone. That's why people have strong reactions to her particularly. You can't separate her personal traits and her achievements. It's a combination of both that makes it so special. Mike Pence was one of many white men to hold the position of a VP. She is the first of her kind to hold the position. They are both qualified but their backgrounds differ.

Obama wasn't only celebrated for his achievements. He was also celebrated because he did something nobody before him did.

Mariah said it. If she was a Nigerian, many Nigerians would celebrate her too. They would be proud of her achievements as Nigerians.

If she was Yoruba, you would feel some sense of pride too whether you confess it or not. It's human to identify with a group of people and take pride in the achievements of their members.

Magnoliaa:
Yes, because it is a factor whether you (choose to) see it or not.



You do not see how a woman and a person of color being the VP of the United States relate to equality? I will tell you one of such consequence - a talking point. Yes. It is another great feat, an addition to what women have been doing, and if personally do not value being able to talk about, that's on you. You can choose learn about the other consequences of such a feat.



Baby steps and accumulated wins? And in a country fraught with religious tensions and wars, you're seriously drawing a comparison with? Even at that, so? Being woman prime minister is a decision centered on equality. It is a single case, but it matters.



I read the OP and understood its context perfectly. And I responded based on the that. Harris is a woman, and that's a reason her being celebrated. Didn't you want answers and contributions? Or you seek an echo chamber?



But you can bank on the "rife" it creates to share your opinions and open threads, isn't it? You want to tell people not to celebrate HER unnecessarily or not?



Oh. Sorry. Wrong use of words there. I'll be specific. Politicians. Over-hyped politicians. How many of them have you questioned the cult-like support they get?

Hathor5:
For a woman of color, the daughter of immigrants, to achieve what she has achieved, to even be considered for the position of the VP is a GREAT achievement. Try to become the mayor of a town and see what it takes to assume a leading position on this scale and now consider that this woman is now the most powerful woman in the world.

It gladdens my heart. And it's worthy of celebration. 50% of the world population that is female can't be aptly represented by men only. She has set a good example to women of color, women in general, immigrants and young girls needing orientation. It is much harder to become what she has become with her background (female, black, daughter of immigrants) even if you are qualified like she is, so yes she is worth the hype.

I remember not being interested and not good at natural science in school until I had a female teacher. I was unconsciously associating related subjects with elderly men in white gowns and then this lady teacher came along and boom, she made an impression on me. My interest in the subject was awakened and I got so much better. It was years later that I understood how we are unconsciously affected and shaped by role models and that gender played a key role in the process.

Girls need female role models in leadership positions. Women also need to be represented accordingly. Women know best which policies affect other women in different ways. This is not to say that we all agree on everything all of the time but women need to have a voice and need to shape the public spheres of life more actively because we are a huge and important part of every society.

femi4:
you did. You said the ticket belongs to Biden. That she wasn't voted for

99thEnemy:
Biden won Trump with popular votes too by 7,058,909 to be precise.

femi4:
lol...I never said it was enough. I m emphasizing on the importance of choice of VP

mariahAngel:
I don't believe you.

You can say anything not to lose an argument.

mariahAngel:
So, what you're saying is if today, a Nigerian male immigrant became the vice president of the USA, he wouldn't be worthy of "idolization"?

Magnoliaa:
So you feel she's good in other areas/her greats works are worthy of being hyped, and also think she's idolized unnecessarily?

You acknowledge also that she's done other notable things, and has other qualities but is riding on Biden's success as an "attached?"

Let's celebrate her any way we want. You might say you do not care for American politics, or who wins -- but you care enough to write a topic now when it's a woman, because I was going to suggest that creating a topic on the good things you think are worth hyping about Kamala might have been the way to go. You should have celebrated her the way you deem fit, and that would have gone a long way, with your voice added to the bulk of different women's opinions on equality — that you don't necessarily subscribe to.

I see you hold nothing against Kamala Harris and her being a woman, or equality, yeah?

So why this "thread?"

Magnoliaa:
I engaged not necessarily because of you.

So allllllll this time, where are your threads on male celebrities, and such that are getting hype they do not deserve?

I have not seen, and maybe if you can point me to one, then I might be "barking up the wrong tree" and admit your objectivity in this case.

I have explained why being FEMALE is a factor in her being celebrated "exceedingly." That doesn't say that she brought "femaleness" alone to the table.

pocohantas:
That is normal na. It isn’t a norm, so it has to be celebrated. If they want us to stop celebrating, we should normalize it. Till then, we move.

mariahAngel:
Would you have thought to create this thread if Kamala were a male?

99thEnemy:

pocohantas:
I understand your point. However we all know politicians are no fools. They observe the metrics and trends before picking their VP. So it is really unfair to try separating then after a win. The things she achieved on her own helped make her a worthy candidate for this position. Remember Okonjo’s recent WTO saga? She had enough on her CV already, but Nigerians carry the matter for head. Let’s also not forget her position goes beyond the election. They still have a whole lot of decision-making to do together.

femi4:
The whole RCCG went for Buhari cos of Osinbajo(one of theirs)

Now, think of other denominations across the Country.

Bubu goodwill only secured the north

You don't understand the power of RACE. Your colour comes first before your gender
Black lives matter carries more weight than any feminist agenda

Magnoliaa:
I think you're being mischievous honestly... Like people always point out. So WHO isn't hyping her hard work, grace and smartness?

All of those aren't separated from the fact that she's a woman. She's a woman, with such qualities. So when you or I claim/infer she's celebrated because she's a woman - you are seeing her other achievements as being separate from her.

She's a woman WITH such qualities already. So this is not about undue or unmerited praises for her.

femi4:
Yes. The black community would have gone for the ticket

The feminist will go in that direction as well

Tinubu advised APC on Muslim/Christian ticket, hence the emergence of a Pastor vp instead of Fashola

femi4:
Lol, you think all the people voted for democrat because of the person of Biden. Election is bigger and more intriguing than that, your choice of VP is as important as the presidential candidate

pocohantas:
1. Maybe, maybe not. It is an unlikely combination to start with. The combination that won was the winning one and that is what matters at this point. They take the victory and the losses together.

2. The second part was for the person making it a gender thing. People will typically celebrate one of the kind in such position, especially when it is a first.

3. Allow them enjoy their win. You were asking about Igbo presidency? Hian! When that happens don’t open a thread like this o. Those guys in Politics section would find you.

Saintmary:
I smell envy.

1. To get picked for the position of Vice President, you must have achieved success in some key positions. Not just to hold these positions, but to be innovative, and be known for upholding suitable values and principles.

2. Kamala Harris has proven herself, that's why she was picked, and, being a running mate means you have to have a strong political base to canvass votes, and also be a darling to a lot of people in several demographics whose votes are needed.

Personally, I respect the efforts this woman has put in. It's undeniable.
Congratulations to her.

femi4:
It's called celebration. Obama enjoyed same as first black president

Lordswazz:
It's a passive position. It's almost like crediting Mike Pence for Trump's first win. Fine, there was some contribution, but it wasn't huge.

Kamala Harris was in the race for President too but dropped out like every other person in the primaries after failing to secure the numbers. If she was such a factor to winning, why she no win the presidential ticket of the Democratic party herself?

Obama even did way more to influence Joe Biden win than Kamala Harris.

pocohantas:
1. Buka how can you say she didn’t work? Even Aisha fried akara for Buhari to be President. Yet you say the VP of a whole America didn’t work? You think Buhari didn’t know what he was doing when he picked Osibanjo? The VP position is very important. Some votes were targeted when she was picked as the VP and that is some work.


2. Ehen? Why them no go exaggerate am? No be them follow vote am? Na you vote? When they were exaggerating Obama’s win, did you come out to tell them he wasn’t a feminist? So why is it always a problem when women celebrate themselves? You would rather see them pull each other down, then you remind us how women hate themselves.

Abeg, drink cold water and cool your head. You really need am.

Karleb:
1. Actually, it's not easy to be VP. If you think it is, try to be the VP of a local society or group. Though their work is not as much as the president, they are always involved.

The so called idolization is probably coming from feminists. They always tend to exaggerate women achievements.

Funny thing is, many of these women in power are not feminists.

During Trump - Hillary election, Chimmamanda Adichie (half of a yellow sun lady) interviewed Hilary and asked her why she starts her Twitter bio with 'wife'. She (Chimma) was obviously disappointed, stating that elites like Obama started theirs with "ex-president". Hillary gave her a non-feminist response.

Contrary to what feminists want or parade as truth, powerful women are hardly feminists.