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Logic Mind: Biggest lie ever.
god judged motives, thoughts etc in the old testament. many times
are we thus to abandon all of these old laws?

Logic Mind:
thanks for pointing that out. so you know.
chosen people of doG

Logic Mind: I am quoting the holy word of god.

please did solomon also marry 1000 men? that's a new one.

logicboy: May your children be slaves and be told to obey their masters since you think that is a good thing!

Ptolomeus: It's simple:
The role of women in the Bible is reduced to a Simple horned (Cuckold), or stone of scandal. I hope I was clear now.

logicboy: Did you not see the quote from the new testament?


furthermore, Jesus/God couldnt stop skavery? He was afraid of rebellion?

Logic Mind: So the old testament laws were wrong laws?

Logic Mind: So the old testament laws were wrong laws?

Logic Mind: I don't know what you had open when you read this bible of yours but it certainly wasn't your mind.
In genesis chapter 1, we were told of how god chronologically created things in six days. He created vegetation on the third day. The last thing he created was man on the sixth day.
In genesis chapter 2, we were told that adam was created before vegetation but after the streams. Remember that vegetation was created on the third day.

You see:
Adam created on the third day, after the streams and earthly waters were created but before vegetation was created.
Man created on the 6th day after everything else, including Adam, was created.

Two different beings.

Logic Mind: I don't know what you had open when you read this bible of yours but it certainly wasn't your mind.
In genesis chapter 1, we were told of how god chronologically created things in six days. He created vegetation on the third day. The last thing he created was man on the sixth day.
In genesis chapter 2, we were told that adam was created before vegetation but after the streams. Remember that vegetation was created on the third day.

You see:
Adam created on the third day, after the streams and earthly waters were created but before vegetation was created.
Man created on the 6th day after everything else, including Adam, was created.

Two different beings.

Logic Mind: The bible does not consider many women important enough to mention their names.
It is always this person's daughter, that person's wife, that man's mother. etc
Here is a non exhaustive list of nameless women in the bible:
-Cain and Abel's sisters
-Noah's wife
-Daughter of Ham
-Nimrod's wife
-Mother of Abraham
-Lot's daughters
-Lot's wife
-Laban's wife
-Potiphar's wife
-Pharaoh's daughter
-Simeon's wife
-The Cushitic wife of Moses
-Job's wife
-Samson's mother
-Jephthah's daughter
-David's mother
-The Witch of Endor
-The wise woman of Abel
-The Queen of Sheba
-Haman's mother
-Sisters/step-sisters/female cousins of Jesus
-Herodias' daughter
-Syrophoenician woman
-Hæmorrhaging woman
-Samaritan woman at the well
-Woman taken in adultery
-Pontius Pilate's wife

And many more.

Ptolomeus: Read these passages to the wife of Abraham? David's wife? Noah's wife? Solomon's wife?
They were all adulterers, with the approval of the Judeo-Christian god ...
May well increase the faith of these women deceived and humiliated.

Logic Mind: Going back to barren women. God eventually opened the wombs of most these women.
However, all the wombs that were opened were to bear...you guessed it: boys. males only.
God does not open a barren womb in order to get a baby girl. Never!

Logic Mind: The holy bible affirms that not only are some women worse than death, in fact no woman is upright.

Ecclesiastes 7:26-29

26 I find more bitter than death
the woman who is a snare,
whose heart is a trap
and whose hands are chains.
The man who pleases God will escape her,
but the sinner she will ensnare.

27 ‘Look,’ says the Teacher, ‘this is what I have discovered:

‘Adding one thing to another to discover the scheme of things –
28 while I was still searching
but not finding –
I found one upright man among a thousand,
but not one upright woman among them all.
29 This only have I found:
God created mankind upright,
but they have gone in search of many schemes.’

logicboy: The bible supports slavery and genocide




Leviticus 25:44
"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.

1 Peter 2:18
"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh."

Titus 2:9
"Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them"

Furthermore, in the 13th century, the Catholic church officially supported slavery in its canon law by Pope Gregory IX. Also, there were popes who held slaves themselves

logicboy: The bible supports slavery and genocide




Leviticus 25:44
"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.

1 Peter 2:18
"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh."

Titus 2:9
"Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them"

Furthermore, in the 13th century, the Catholic church officially supported slavery in its canon law by Pope Gregory IX. Also, there were popes who held slaves themselves

Ofido: Lets look at it in a better form, It takes an unfaithful woman to make an unfaithful man truth or false?.... If ther aint one unfaithful woman u wouldnt get one unfaithful man.
because if u really think of wat makes a man unfaithful, you wil discover its because some lady somewher is unfaithful. So ladies plz stop been unfaithful so as to get a faithful man plzzzz i take God beg una.

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logicboy: But I was a christian for 22 years. If I claim that the bible is sexist, you would say that I need the holy ghost!

Logic Mind: In the bible, it is only the women who are barren and infertile. Never men.
Sarah, Abraham's wife, was barren. Genesis 11:30
Rebekkah, Isaac's wife, was barren. Genesis 25:21
Rachel, Jacob's wife, was barren. Genesis 29:31
Manoah's wife, future mother of Samson, was barren. Judges 13:2
Michal the daughter of Saul, wife of David, was barren. 2 Samuel 6:23
Hannah, Samuel's future mother, was barren. 1 Samuel 1:5-6
Great Shunammite woman who helped Elisha, was barren. 2 Kings 4:8-17
Elizabeth, Jesus' auntie and john's future mother, was barren. Luke 1:7

The bible even mock them.
Psalm 113:9 "He maketh the barren woman to keep house and to be a joyful mother of children. Praise ye the LORD."
Isaiah 54:1-17 "Sing, O barren one, who did not bear; break forth into singing and cry aloud, you who have not been in labor! For the children of the desolate one will be more than the children of her who is married,"
Luke 23:29 For behold, the days are coming when they will say, 'Blessed are the barren and the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!'

logicboy: Ironically, if a muslim told you the same about the Koran, you would not agree.

Logic Mind: No be talk am o. Na god himself say am
Genesis 2:20 "...But for Adam no suitable helper was found"
To help with what exactly if I may ask?

If women were created as per Genesis 1:26-28, why did god have to create eve specially? Also remember that Adam named eve "woman" after she has been created so Genesis 1:26-28 could not have been speaking of women.

For clarity purposes. Woman means "taken out of man" Gen 2:23. The females created in Genesis 1:26-28 were not taken out of men so could not have been women.

italo: Men and women have their roles in God's plan. There's no need to fight.

Logic Mind: I'm sure she knew the bible more than you do. I'm also sure that the bible opens much more than minds in women. Even I, sometimes find myself mouth open when going through some passages of your holy book.

Logic Mind: Women were not part of god's original plan. They are an afterthought.
God created adam first and only derived eve from adam when he realised that adam needs someone to help with his bonner from time to time.

Logic Mind: So you are telling me that god negates his gifts because of freewill? Infact it doesn't matter what gift god gave us, we can do anything we bloody want, the way we bloody want?
So the person that receives gods gift can end up exactly the same as the person who didn't?
What then is the use of god's gift?
biblical apologetics really make me laugh. So when solomon ordered that an innocent baby be murdered, that was wisdom from god but when he ordered that women be brought to him, that was foolishness from freewill.

Logic Mind: Here is what a pioneering feminist, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, thinks of the biblical portrayal of women.

"The bible teaches that women brought sin and death into the world, that she precipitated the fall of the race, that she was arraigned before the judgment seat of Heaven, tried, condemned and sentenced. Marriage for her was to be a condition of bondage, maternity a period suffering and anguish, and in silence and subjection, she was to play the role of a dependent on man's bounty for all her material wants, and for all the information she might desire... Here is the Bible position of woman briefly summed up."

Logic Mind: Here is what a pioneering feminist, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, thinks of the biblical portrayal of women.

"The bible teaches that women brought sin and death into the world, that she precipitated the fall of the race, that she was arraigned before the judgment seat of Heaven, tried, condemned and sentenced. Marriage for her was to be a condition of bondage, maternity a period suffering and anguish, and in silence and subjection, she was to play the role of a dependent on man's bounty for all her material wants, and for all the information she might desire... Here is the Bible position of woman briefly summed up."

olaayodele: The reason why most men are not faithful is that men are polygamous in nature. The men that are genuinely born again are faithful. A man can be a pastor and not genuinely born again.watch out, by their fruits you will know them.