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[quote author=emöfine2] Concerning our “god-given” roles? I don’t go to church but when I used to attend such was a highlighted theme and the disparity is pretty visible in the bible. However if we are to regard the book we have to consider the bible in relation to its context at the time; studying the dynamics of the society it was written in. Religion of course is a product of culture and culture is indeed a factor that has affected/determined social policies.[/quote]it's always good to read d Bible for one's self cos some preachers tend to interprete according to their understanding/beliefs. d OT is different from the NT. The OT basically relates to us the life n culture of d jews and there re some things i stil don't understand. the rules most of the time re reactionary i.e. punishment for deeds committed n some things were really for only d isrealites. however, the NT is about d new covenant sealed by d blood of Jesus and applies to both jews n saved gentiles. infact, the NT really doesn't have a jew/non-jew classification. everyone is one in Christ Gal 3:28. u really need to study d way Jesus related to women during His earthly ministry. He never discriminated against them and saw them as equals n gave them equal privileges. in d beginning, God created us equal only wit diff roles but when man sinned, things changed. this change was not caused by God Himself but was a consequence of d fall along wit death, sickness, wickedness etc that's y when Christ came, He restored everything back to their original position. it's well. sorry for d epistle |
991: so women should stop getting married because millions(according to you) are miserable in marriage? i don't know what you might have experienced/been taught,etc about marriage, the FACT remains that marriage is on top of career. hate it if you will but its the truth.dear, read ALL my posts well! i never advocated that women should not marry. almost every1 has a negative view of marriage esp in our society but i thank God that my orientation has changed through a lot of things. to u, marriage is higher than a career; to others it depends on wat they cherish more. i say again n again that marriage is not an end in itself, it is not d height of achievement for a woman. it is a means to an end. marriage is for companionship, to checkmate adultery n for children. everyone has been assigned a purpose on this earth n marriage(companionship) makes it easier. there is someone to pull u up when u fall, shares ur hurt n pains wit u, to keep u warm etc so i don't see d reason y pple esp women should sacrifice their ambitions, dreams n purpose b'cos of d sacred title of 'mrs'. thanks! |
binger: Ahh the woman got it wrong...your husband is your other half for Christ's sake,why should you do something behind his back and tell him few months later.i would feel like a fool if i were the one nevertheless,i hate guys who beat up there women.He should have forgiven herhello dude, ow's ur day goin? did u read d story? d wife is reacting to wat her husband did. take care |
991: my dear, a job will earn you whatever until you are sacked ok? but marriage makes you have and build your own family with your husband, and the joy/happiness/benefit/reward/etc is for a life time. ok? career and family are uncomparable!! jeeezzzz!!!and is marriage d ultimate for women? wat of millions of women miserable in their marriages? |
maclatunji: She will look for a new one. OP, is not telling us the whole story. I suspect that she knows/feels that her Fiance is not capable of meeting most of her financial wants (not needs). Hence, the reluctance to drop the job. Let us remember that Dakore Egbuson left acting and the limelight when she married a billionaire's son. Years before Genevive, Omotola et al dreamed of becoming superstars, a certain Ego Boyo would have been ahead of them but she married and sacrificed the acting career because her husband was "endowed' enough to make it happen.hello dear, longest time! i agree wit ur post but there is a difference btw 'i want a job so that i ll be financially independent' and 'i need this job so that i can build a career in so and so'. for d first group, they work for d money while d second group work b'cos it's their passion. they want to affect lives thru a certain profession. i know a man who b'cos he wanted to be a committed teacher decided not to marry! there re some men n women like that so tellin such to forfeit job/career for marriage or any other thing is odd! take care! |
taryour: my dear we av diffrent pespectives and mentality to how we wana leave our lives, u av urs and i av mine. Am living mine as it siuts me and i av never ad a reason to regret it,so if u dont like my way dosnt change anything about me or u so leave it at that....ow re u? i'm not against u having ur views; afteral, we al can't think alike. i'm only tryin to point out that not being a career woman doesn't stop u from receiving 'insults' from men and ur husband doesn't have a 'right' to insult u. anyway, each man to his/her own. take care |
Shakdut: Oh! Na tru o. How many miracle self performd by jesu,where here in nigeria,na everyday,dey ar perform miracle even jesus nt fit get power reach demdear, ow re u? Jesus Christ did a lot of miracles and promised us that we ll do greater things Jn 14:24 |
lastpage: In 2012?goodmorn, ow re u? if u don't believe in d trinity, well that's u. 2012 has nothing to do wit it, 'Jesus Christ The Same Yesterday, Today And Forever' Heb 13:8. Jesus Christ said 'I and My Father are one' in the NT. Read Phil 2:5-11. for trinity, read 1Jn 5:17. God Bless! |
taryour: would u also quit ur job and relocate to lagos cause her job is in lagos and u become joblessso d man can't sacrifice too? u don't believe a woman should have a career b'cos of insults? can't she be insulted in her own biz or wateva? wat if her neighbor insults her? so a hussy has d 'unreserved right' to insult his wife? it is well! |
taryour: would u also quit ur job and relocate to lagos cause her job is in lagos and u become joblessso d man can't sacrifice too? u don't believe a woman should have a career b'cos of insults? can't she be insulted in her own biz or wateva? wat if her neighbor insults her? so a hussy has d 'unreserved right' to insult his wife? it is well! |
@OP: i like CC's advice and would like to add some pieces of advice: wat good is a marriage/union if u can't achieve ur dreams n desires or if u're d party who keeps sacrificin? God created u both as beautiful persons wit purposes to fulfill so ur union should bring out the best in the both of u. wat do u want to be in future? wat's ur desire in life? is that job on d path to achieving ur dream in life? by now, ur H2B should know ur dreams n work wit u towards fulfillin it. i like d fact dat @ ur age, u're thinking of ur future. sit him down n u both discuss ur dreams, purposes, ambitions etc and ow to achieve dem. resume d job n look for another @ abj n tell him that u wouldn't leave ur present job til u get another one. if he was transfered in his place of work in future, would he move u al to d his new duty post? and for those talkin of good men, wat makes a man good? reject d status quo that u must be attached to man b4 u succeed or make it in life. it is wel wit u. |
were d disciples not also supporting d earthly ministry of Jesus b/4 they started theirs? so if ur uncle supports u in school, he is inferior to u when i gave dat ref, i was telling u about more disciples of Jesus and not if they were male or female. Jesus Christ changed d 'position' of women so to say during His earthly ministry. P.S. in the Bible, a supporter or helper is not considered or seen as a lower or inferior person. As a matter of fact, leaders are called to serve. i guess in ur analogy, Jesus is inferior to His disciples because He washed their feet! |
Logic Mind: Thanks for poiting out those passages. They are an eye opener for those that wish to know.d only woman who demons was cast of was mary n if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature. old things ve passed away n all tins ve become new. my pt is dat mary became new! she was not seen as an 'ex demon possessed woman' etc. Christ restores a person/thing back 2 its original state! wat would u say about matthew dat was once a tax collector? was he not an apostle or paul dat was once a persecutor? and wat is wrong that they supported His ministry? so that they had d money to support His ministry made them inferior? |
lepasharon: churches that celebrate:morning lepasharon, there is nothing wrong wit celebratin children's day etc etc. Jesus Christ is God the Son, The trinity is real (God the Father, God The Son And God The Holy Spirit) and it is NOT ur pastor's business if u decide to eat pork or snake or toad! halloween is a witchcraft thing so i don't expect churches to celebrate. abeg, read ur Bible! P.S. wat church do u attend? |
[quote author=Lord_Reed]@Bukatyne The Bible doesn't call it submission. Those qualities you described are called Meekness - having power and using it to serve. It is the wife who called to "submit" the man is called to love like Jesus. Jesus did not/does not submit to the Church, He serves the Church while the Church submits to Him.[/quote]oya tell me d difference btw serving and submission! when a man is serving, is he not submittin? u know, i used to think that submission was a woman's curse or something until my eyes were opened and i saw that any problem wit we dat didn't understand! afteral, all christians (male n female) are told to submit to one another Eph 5:21, Rom 12:9-10. i c submission as esteeming others above urself, considering them first etc. if u cal that service, al well and good but i know that the Bible expects mutual submission from d couple. ve a splendid night rest |
Ptolomeus: Mhhhhdear she was a female disciple and she was not the only one so i don't know y any particular reference is made to her |
[quote author=emöfine2]My day was fine, thanks...and you? No but I was nurtured under a Christian household.[/quote]i m splendid too. al these stuff u typed in ur prev post, were u taught in church, by ur parents or is it wat u read in ur Bible? i mean wat is/was the source of ur beliefs? |
@logicmind: i couldn't quote ur post cos it already contained d max letters. for a person who claimed to know d Bible, u should know dat Jesus had 12 Apostles and several disciples. a disciple literally means 'follower'. there are a lot of women disciples read Luke 8: 1-3. also read Luke 10:1-24 to see more disciples |
[quote author=emöfine2]The bible is often claimed to be the divine word of god yet that same book is a cultural manual for the Jews (at least the OT). Religion is an extension of culture (note those that are patriarchal often favour men)...and the bible is a continuation from the Torah (OT aka Jewish laws). From genesis - we first discover how women were made supposedly subordinate to men as a punishment...thus our so called god-given gender roles was as a result of a punishment!...? Women generally played the supporting role in the bible and were mostly elected as the lead when our femininity was thus needed aka Mary’s womb. The bible certainly does not promote equality and many are led to believe that this is supposedly God's command so such roles should be unreservedly accepted when religion being a by-product of culture most likely contained bias that stood to serve a particular demographic.[/quote]hello, ow did ur day go? re u a christian? |
i used to think submission was a bad thing or a woman's 'curse' until God opened my eyes. actually, in an ideal marriage, a man is first submissive to his wife before she submits to him. i define submission as 'esteeming the other person above urself'. if we look at d definition of love in 1cor13:4-8, we would c that a man that is humble, polite, trust his wife, endures all things, respect her etc already esteems her above himself and therefore, the woman has to submit (esteem him above herself) so dere's a balance so that no one is played. a man is d head (source/ building block) of his home because a man must decide to get married (ideally) and approach a lady b4 a home can be built. however, the place of headship is more of a responsibility than a privilege. this means that a man has to do everything in his power to make d marriage work cos he is d head just like a DG ll do all he has to do to make his company excel. have a blessed day! |
@ezicat: i would also advice u to read d Bible for urself and not rely on anybody's interpretation. i also used to think that God was sexist until i prayed to Him to reveal His Word to me and i decided to open my heart to hear from Him. i'm stil learning everyday and i must tell u that it has been glorious. i've learnt to differenciate btw God's perfect will and what humans do. to really know how d God sees women, just study the life and ministry of Jesus Christ. have a blessed day ahead. |
ezicat: The debates were interesting - they've now denigrated into voicing of opinions - but they were revealing while they lasted. At Logicmind...wow...if I was offended by the bible before...yikes! |
ezicat: The debates were interesting - they've now denigrated into voicing of opinions - but they were revealing while they lasted. At Logicmind...wow...if I was offended by the bible before...yikes!dear, we don't interprete d Bible according to new cultures else we would be supporting gay marriages and other things. like i said earlier, reading d Bible and understandin it is every important. a lot of us read n don't understand while some don't read at al. the Bible is not to be read as a story book. when reading, it is always best to ask 'Father y did this happen?', 'what re U trying to tell us?' etc. but u can't ask that witout God been ur Father. |
Logic Mind: in the bible, a women have no say about who fvcks her. it is either god, or her father, that decides for her.logicmind, logic dictates that if u don't understand a concept, u ask those who understand. P.S. u claimed to be a Bible preaching atheist. even if u 'read' the Bible, u can't understand because u re NOT a child of God and the god of this world (satan) has blinded ur mind. God be wit u. no matter wat u say, always remember that Jesus Christ loves u so much that He died for ur sins at the cross of calvary and He is knocking at the door of ur heart asking u to allow Him be ur Lord and Personal Saviour. He Loves U So Much! |
logicboy: @ Logic mindLogic boy, i m smilin as i'm typin. do u know y? because neither u nor logicmind nor anyother person can destroy me or my faith or wateva. i'm a child of God and my Father tells me to be of good cheer because i have overcome the world. deep down, there is a void in ur lives that only God can fill! acquire everything there is to acquire in this world but u ll find out at d end that everything is vanity upon vanity! Jesus Christ said: 'what shall it profit a man if he gains the whole world and loses his own soul?' Apostle Paul even killed christians before Christ met him and yet God till used him for His glory. as i told logicmind, i pray that u see the light of the gospel before it is too late! it is appointed for man to die once and after death is judgement! God be wit u! |
Logic Mind: one man's meat is another man's bonei was goin to reply each of ur posts but i realized that u re no longer interested in having a logical discussion. i really wonder y u re so bitter and ranting this way. i ve hardly seen people so desperate to deny the existence of God without having a reason behind it. u might have thought God abandoned u in a time of need or something but i tell u that He never sleeps nor slumber. everything that happens does for a reason. i pray that it ll not be too late when u see the light. God bless u! |
Logic Mind: one man's meat is another man's bonei was goin to reply each of ur posts but i realized that u re no longer interested in having a logical discussion. i really wonder y u re so bitter and ranting this way. i ve hardly seen people so desperate to deny the existence of God without having a reason behind it. u might have thought God abandoned u in a time of need or something but i tell u that He never sleeps nor slumber. everything that happens does for a reason. i pray that it ll not be too late when u see the light. God bless u! |
Logic Mind: Me neither.did i ever give such an impression? i have so far tried to have a reasonable discussion wit u even when u try to be insultive. i dont even know ur faith so y should it be an insult to me? if i m afraid to defend wat i believe in, then i should check my faith again! |
Logic Mind: the famous "it was the culture at that time" escape route.abeg, define culture for me! |
Logic Mind: So you are saying that some parts of the bible are not the word of god?the whole Bible is inspired by God but not all the words in the Bible are the direct words of God! |
Logic Mind: hypocrite!Logic Mind, i believe u're an intelligent person and intelligent people don't pass across their points wit insults esp to God. Even if u don't believe in Him, respect d beliefs of others who do. i never told u that the Bible said anything about househelps. read that post again |
Logic Mind: This is the introduction of chapter 2and was it not in d beginning God created d Garden of Eden? did u notice that some plants were for animals n fruit trees for humans? read d whole chapter again |
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