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DeeJay,  when you get a chance listen to american historian, webster tarpley's analysis of what's happening in Libya:

http://tarpley.net/world-crisis-radio/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webster_Tarpley

DeeJay20:
ROFLAMO!!! easy CAP28 dont allow people's Selective Myopia upset you!!!

sorry bros, i just get frustrated with the way some people on here reason.

Since when has America - an empire been concerned about such "trivial" things like humanitarianism?  There are countless  incidents of genocide that have occurred around the world in which america REFUSED to get invovled in
simply because there was no economic gain to be made - Rwanda springs to mind, it became almost impossible to get america to even agree to go along with a UN resolution which would enable the deployment of troops in order to stop the genocide.

Consider this excerpt from a british mainstream newspaper:

President Bill Clinton's administration knew Rwanda was being engulfed by genocide in April 1994 but buried the information to justify its inaction, according to classified documents made available for the first time.
Senior officials privately used the word genocide within 16 days of the start of the killings, but chose not to do so publicly because the president had already decided not to intervene.

Intelligence reports obtained using the US Freedom of Information Act show the cabinet and almost certainly the president had been told of a planned "final solution to eliminate all Tutsis" before the slaughter reached its peak.

It took Hutu death squads three months from April 6 to murder an estimated 800,000 Tutsis and moderate Hutus and at each stage accurate, detailed reports were reaching Washington's top policymakers.

The documents undermine claims by Mr Clinton and his senior officials that they did not fully appreciate the scale and speed of the killings.

"It's powerful proof that they knew," said Alison des Forges, a Human Rights Watch researcher and authority on the genocide.

The National Security Archive, an independent non-governmental research institute based in Washington DC, went to court to obtain the material.

It discovered that the CIA's national intelligence daily, a secret briefing circulated to Mr Clinton, the then vice-president, Al Gore, and hundreds of senior officials, included almost daily reports on Rwanda. One, dated April 23, said rebels would continue fighting to "stop the genocide, which ,  is spreading south".

Three days later the state department's intelligence briefing for former secretary of state Warren Christopher and other officials noted "genocide and partition" and reported declarations of a "final solution to eliminate all Tutsis".

However, the administration did not publicly use the word genocide until May 25 and even then diluted its impact by saying "acts of genocide".

Ms Des Forges said: "They feared this word would generate public opinion which would demand some sort of action and they didn't want to act. It was a very pragmatic determination."

The administration did not want to repeat the fiasco of US intervention in Somalia, where US troops became sucked into fighting. It also felt the US had no interests in Rwanda, a small central African country with no minerals or strategic value.

William Ferroggiaro, of the National Security Archive, said the system had worked. "Diplomats, intelligence agencies, defence and military officials - even aid workers - provided timely information up the chain," he said.

"That the Clinton administration decided against intervention at any level was not for lack of knowledge of what was happening in Rwanda."

Many analysts and historians fault Washington and other western capitals not just for failing to support the token force of overwhelmed UN peacekeepers but for failing to speak out more forcefully during the slaughter.

Some of the Hutu extremists orchestrating events might have heeded such warnings, they have suggested.

Mr Clinton has apologised for those failures but the declassified documents undermine his defence of ignorance. "The level of US intelligence is really amazing," said Mr Ferroggiaro. "A vast array of information was available."

On a visit to the Rwandan capital, Kigali, in 1998 Mr Clinton apologised for not acting quickly enough or immediately calling the crimes genocide.

In what was widely seen as an attempt to diminish his responsibility, he said: "It may seem strange to you here, especially the many of you who lost members of your family, but all over the world there were people like me sitting in offices, day after day after day, who did not fully appreciate the depth and speed with which you were being engulfed by this unimaginable terror."

A spokesperson for the William Jefferson Clinton Foundation in New York said the allegations would be relayed to the former president.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/mar/31/usa.rwanda

Contrast the way america behaved with regard to a real humanitarian catastrophe with the way they are acting in the case of an unsubstantiated one.

Could they move any faster? I didnt know it was possible to move so quickly in order to impose sanctions or intervene militarily.

Kobojunkie:
They also simply don't care? You mean the many other times America intervened, and people like you immediately declared them invaders and enemies, in those they cared?? WOW !!!

PS. America was in Sudan, only that was more a humanitarian mission. I believe the country learnt from Somalia that it is better to stay clear of the local issues, and focus instead of helping the refugees. But then again, I would not expect you to admit that since it seems America is ALWAYS evil to you, no matter what it does.

America has never intervened in any conflict anywhere in the world on the grounds of humanitarianism - it was only in Somalia because it had been promised trillions of dollars worth of oil concessions by a former Somalian dictator Siad Barre, it tried to regain control of the country from rival warlords and failed, after their failed expeditions they resorted to using proxies to fight on their behalf. 

This whole thing about humanitarian intervention in Libya is  a sham - all the americans want to do here is go in and annex the areas of Libya in which the oil is located.

very accurate analysis of Goodluck Jonathan, i have said time and time again that this man winning the presidential elections come April will accelerate nigeria's downward spiral, the man is morally and intellectually unqualified to lead nigeria and has shown since his undeserved ascension to office of president to be way out of his depth.

Beaf i honestly don't know how you've escaped being institutionalised all these years!!!

So after reading about your mentor Yahaya Jammeh who administers poison personally to his citizens on the grounds that they may be witches you have come to the conclusion that it is Gadaffi that is crazy and not your own idol Yahaya Jammeh na wah oh - you seem to be going downhill even faster than i thought.

Beaf:
Because he challenged your Gaddafi? lol

No because they are being misruled by an unhinged psycopath who belongs in the 7th century, can someone put that ugly MF out of his misery and put some of that poison he's been giving to his people in his food.

^^^^

angiefan glad to hear it lol

This is how Fela's wives/dancers and singers looked - is there any connection between this and that pathetic monstrosity displayed by sell out (wanna be latina) beyonce?

http://www.afrobeatmusic.net/html/fela_s_queens_1.html

After reading some of the posts on here i am now convinced that there is a marked difference between how black people who were born and raised in america view racism from the way black people who came to the US as adults view racism.

You have to have lived through it to understand it and unfortunately many nigerians who came to the west as full grown adults do not understand what its like to live in an environment where being black is regarded as a mark of inferiority.

This is why some posters on here are saying things like: "whats the big deal", "why cant you move on" whereas blacks who were born and raised in an environment in which they have constantly been told that they are less than, automatically take offence to these pictures.

I have spent a lot of time researching and reading about the experience of african americans and i understand why african americans/ black people born and raised in america are upset.

Being black in america is synonymous with inferiority - there are some nigerians who are in complete denial about this but you can not run away from the truth. Black people in america have it ingrained in them from the cradle to the grave that there is something wrong with them because they are black, furthermore dark skin (especially on women is regarded as unattractive) the western media has placed on a pedestal the beauty of the white woman and has degraded the beauty of the black woman, this is evident in those pictures that Beyonce took in which the make up artiststs darken her skin in such a way that it looks as if the darkness of her skin is blotting out her beauty, in other words being very dark skinned makes it impossible for people to actually tell whether you are beautiful or not - this is what the white fashion and beauty industry thinks of dark skin.

Were Fela's dancers and singers not mostly dark skinned? were they not exquisitely beautiful? did any of them look like that caricature that Beyonce displayed in that magazine?

If you look at the way Fela's dancers/singers decorated their faces you can tell that this was done with the utmost care and attention, their faces were like works of art, contrast that with the cartoonish sambo like distortions on beyonce and you will see that the whites are merely using beyonce as a way to further push their insidious campaign that dark skin is not beautiful.

In the old days white entertainers would put boot polish on their faces and pretend to be black people - they would speak and act like braindead buffoons because this is how they wanted the world to perceive black people, as a result "black face" became synonymous with the words: clown, buffoon, sambo, simpleton and fool. It therefore beggars beleif that Beyonce and her handlers would go as far as using this sort of imagery to portray an african person.

Does it mean that beyonce and her handlers are so devoid of self respect and basic human dignity that they would be willing to not only demean themselves for a quick buck but also disregard the suffering and abuse meted out to their ancestors who fought for years to rise above those kind of hateful images and be treated as equals in a nation built on the sweat of their ancestors?

4 Play:
The man is an ''inventor''. Apparently, he has found herbal remedies for HIV and high blood pressure.

i feel so sorry for the Gambian people, because they are peaceful and kind hearted , they don't deserve this joke as their president.

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=612733.msg7809165#msg7809165 date=1298796535]coming from a man who also happens to appear on the list of the longest serving leaders in the world ?   what credibility does he have to when he himself is

no way better than Ghadaffi or because gambians have not started their own protest ?  [/quote]The Gambians are terrified of this thug he is extremely ruthless and brutal, he had a journalist killed a few  years back for writing something mildly critical of his regime, he does not tolerate any form of criticism against his dictatorial regime, he even had some british people resident in his country jailed for sending emails to friends criticising his govt:

Jammeh has been accused of restricting freedom of the press. Harsh new press laws were followed by the unsolved killing of Deyda Hydara, editor of The Point newspaper and Gambia correspondent for Reporters Without Borders and the French news agency AFP. Hydara, who had been mildly critical of the Jammeh regime, was brutally gunned down in December 2004. Alhagie Martin, one of Jammeh's closest military aides, has been named in connection with Hydara's killing. It has, however, not been possible to verify the allegation linking Martin with Hydara's slaying. It is widely believed that Jammeh is responsible for Hydara's murder.[28] Jammeh has denied that security agents were involved in the killing.[12]

In April 2004 he called on journalists to obey his government "or go to hell". In June 2005 he stated on radio and television that he has allowed "too much expression" in the country.[29]

A British couple resident in Gambia for 12 years were convicted of sedition for writing private emails critical of the president to friends back home.[30] They were sentenced to one year imprisonment with hard labor, and the woman was released after serving her year, while the man remained imprisoned until September 2010.[31][32]

As of December 2009, internet web sites critical of the government are blocked, such as the US-based Freedom Newspaper.[33]

and this is the turd having the nerve to criticise gadaffi!!


But it gets even worse:

Newspaper reports list dozens of individuals who have disappeared after being picked up by men in plain-clothes, and others who have languished under indefinite detention for months or years without charge or trial.[35] The regional Economic Community of West Africa (ECOWAS) court ordered the Gambia government to produce one journalist who was disappeared.[36][37][38]

and worse still:

In March 2009 Amnesty International reported that up to 1,000 Gambians had been abducted by government-sponsored "witch doctors" on charges of witchcraft, and taken to detention centers where they were forced to drink poisonous concoctions.[39] On May 21, 2009, The New York Times reported that the alleged witch-hunting campaign had been sparked by the President Yahya Jammeh, who believed that the death of his aunt earlier that year could be attributed to witchcraft.[40] Jammeh has also been linked with the 2004 massacre of 44 Ghanaian migrants and 10 other ECOWAS nationals

This is why illiterates should not be allowed to run countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahya_Jammeh

Beaf:
I see you still support Gaddafi, even after his evil actions against his people (which I'm sure you still attribute to America).
Dude, do you have to eat something or smoke something to be this dim? I mean, how do you achieve it?

In a way i envy nigerian politicians - it must be fantastic to have hordes of personal slaves like Beaf who hang on their every word and believe every lie that comes out of their mouths. You can beat, starve and abuse these subhuman robots from now until eternity, it doesnt make the slightest bit of difference, it only makes them more resilient and all they do is keep coming back for more abuse, wow it must be great for these misrulers.

Libya Conquered in the Dark
BBC's Breathtaking Propagandizing.
by Tony Cartalucci

Shut down the Middle East, you shut down China and Russia, then you rule the world. The current Middle East destabilization is a desperate gambit to eliminate the Near-East buffer, isolate the two rising superpowers, and force them to concede to their place within a unipolar New York-London centric world order.

Libya is next in a long line of nations in the Middle East being destabilized and facing a Western-backed regime change. With the corporate owned mainstream media performing breathtaking acts of propagandizing, the US State Department's army of bloggers coordinating Libya's uprising on the ground, and nearly zero confirmed reports coming out, it seems the large North African nation is being dismembered entirely in the dark.

Unlike in Egypt, where US International Crisis Group trustee Mohamed ElBaradei was talking daily to international reporters on the ground, and AlJazeera provided 24 hour coverage, Libya is a virtual blackhole. The mainstream media is relaying hearsay from "Libyan" bloggers and protesters on the ground. The tell-tale quotation marks peppering reports coming out of BBC and AlJazeera and a litany of weasel words indicate that the "revolution" will be feed to the public in the most disingenuous and unsubstantiated manner possible.

Unfortunately, when all we have to depend on during a crisis is the honor of the corporate owned media, where BBC itself is a major corporate member of the globalist nexus Chatham House, nothing can be trusted and we are left in confusion and uncertainty. Far too many people, however, will still fall for the thin veneer of legitimacy the mainstream media's slick graphics and well-dressed shills lend it.

BBC's latest article regarding Sayf al-Islam's address to the nation gives us an astounding example of the mainstream media forcing the scant facts coming out of Libya into a predetermined narrative to suit the global-combine's interests. In his address to the Libyan nation, Sayf al-Islam accused opposition groups and outsiders of trying to transform Libya, that the foreign media was grossly exaggerating the government's response to protesters, and compared the unrest to an Egypt-style Facebook revolution.


While BBC concedes that "verifying information from Libya has been difficult," within the text of the article they refer to the speech as a "rambling TV address." In the side bar, we hear from BBC propagandist Jon Leyne, who covered the "bazillion-gagillion man march" in Egypt and told viewers it seemed as if "all of Egypt" had turned out in Tahrir Square. Best estimates of the crowd range from 50,000 to no more than 100,000 (0.1% of Egypt's population.) Leyne says the following regarding Sayf al-Islam's address, in an unprofessional bravado we should only have come to expect from the BBC:

"That was one of the strangest political speeches I think I've ever sat through. He was completely and utterly detached from the reality of what is going on in his country. To put it bluntly, most Libyans will just treat it as gibberish - it was completely meaningless to them. The idea that they're somehow going to sit down and have a national dialogue with a government that's brought in foreign mercenaries to shoot at them is laughable."

What qualifies Leyne to speak on behalf of the Libyan people on a crisis his own network concedes is difficult to report on, thus "utterly detached" themselves, is beyond understanding, unless of course it is pure propaganda aimed at discrediting the address.

What the mainstream media and Sayf al-Islam seem to agree on is that Libya's eastern city of Benghazi has been overrun by mobs who have seized military tanks and weapons. For BBC and AlJazeera to call the government's response to arsonists, looters, vandals, and now dangerously and overtly armed mobs, a "massacre," seems somewhat disingenuous and very similar to their coverage of the US-backed mobs that took to the streets in Bangkok in May, 2010.

http://landdestroyer..com/2011/02/libya-conquered-in-dark.html

An extremely interesting, accurate, and informative piece from Russia Today. It includes the name of organizations viewers are encouraged to look up, as well as Ron Paul's take on US funded regime change worldwide.


http://landdestroyer..com/2011/02/russia-todays-americas-new-regime.html

Libya: The Rest of the Story
Libyan opposition literally running protests from Washington.
by Tony Cartalucci


When Qaddafi's son, Saif al-Islam, accused foreigners and opposition groups of fomenting unrest within Libya, it appears no truer words have been spoken. It is not surprising BBC and the rest of the corporate owned media went through extensive measures to discredit his speech.

Unbelievable revelations have been discovered regarding the unrest in Libya. The leader of Libya's opposition group organizing the protests both inside and outside of Libya, is currently in Washington D.C. as he and his organization direct the upheaval and bedlam consuming the North African nation.

An interview with Ibrahim Sahad of the National Front for the Salvation of Libya (NFSL) on ABC Australia, features every talking point covered by the mainstream corporate media from over the past week, all with the White House and Washington Monument looming over him in the background.

Ibrahim Sahad and his NFLS formed the National Conference of the Libyan Opposition (NCLO) in London in 2005. This group specifically went out of its way to appear not to be influenced or supported by the United States. Perhaps to cement this notion, Huffington Post featured documents released by the NCLO in a wikileaks-esque move to pin US support on Qaddafi. Of course, as with all the unrest in the Middle East, as the facts trickle out we find out this is not to avoid confusion, it is to avoid the truth.

The Sahad's NCLO began organizing the February 17th "Day of Rage" right on cue as Egypt fell so the mainstream media apparatus could swing around and put the focus on Libya. Conveniently, the media needs only move from Cairo to Egypt's western border and wait for Sahad's men on the ground to secure them a base of operations, presumably in Libya's eastern city of Benghazi. Qaddafi apparently understands the role of NGOs and the foreign media, which is why they are not in the streets of Libya's cities, and coverage has been admittedly daunting.

It turns out that both the corporate owned news and the US State Department/corporate funded Movements.org are getting their reports entirely from Sahad's NCLO in Washington, who claims to be in contact with "first hand" reports out of Libya. Other NFSL members including one in Dubai, are also supplying the media with this "first hand" information. These reports have become the basis for accusations of "genocide", the convening of the UNSC, economic sanctions, threats directed toward Libyan security forces that attempt to quell protesters, and NATO enforced no-fly zones.

http://landdestroyer..com/2011/02/libya-rest-of-story.html

[quote author=tpiah! link=topic=612759.msg7807948#msg7807948 date=1298762611]suspicious allegations.

why are they just "revealing" all this now.[/quote] thank you

the minuite OBJ, GEJ and co become excess bagage to the machinations of the west we will suddenly hear it being broadcast all over Al jazeera, bbc, cnn and msnbc that between them they have over $1 trillion dollars in stolen funds, funny.

WAKE UP!!!! AMERICA COULDNT GIVE A F.U.CK ABOUT THE LIBYAN PEOPLE THEY ONLY WANT TO GO IN AND SEIZE CONTROL OF THE OIL WELLS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Any military intervention would be centrally directed toward securing the economically and strategically crucial Libyan oilfields. American, British, Italian, French and German oil conglomerates all have lucrative stakes in Libya’s high-quality oil reserves. The operation would be colonialist in character, marking the further extension of Washington’s efforts to use military force to maintain control over energy resources in the Middle East, North Africa and Central Asia, following the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The situation in Libya is threatening a major world oil price shock and a sharp downturn in the US economy[/b]. On Thursday, Obama underscored this concern when he addressed corporate executives assembled for the “President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness.” Speaking of oil prices, he declared, “We actually think that we’ll be able to ride out the Libya situation and it will stabilise.” Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner sought to allay concerns by stressing the excess oil producing capacity of other OPEC member states.

I REPEAT THE WEST COULDNT GIVE TWO FU.CKS ABOUT THE LIBYAN PEOPLE THEY ONLY WANT THEIR OIL. 

GOING IN ON HUMANITARIAN GROUNDS IS A COVER AND A LIE:

The US and international media have thrown their weight behind the US and European governments’ humanitarian posturing, reviving the pretexts that were used as a cover for US-led interventions in the Balkans in the 1990s. On Thursday, the Financial Times recalled US President Ronald Reagan’s denunciation of Gaddafi in an editorial entitled “Time to Muzzle Libya’s Mad Dog.” The London-based publication demanded an immediate no-fly zone and the opening up of “humanitarian corridors” from Tunisia and Egypt.

The same theme was sounded by the New York Times in its editorial “Stopping Gaddafi.” Halting just short of openly demanding military intervention, the newspaper declared: “After Bosnia, Kosovo and Rwanda, the United States and its allies vowed that they would work harder to stop mass atrocities. One thing is not in doubt: The longer the world temporizes, the more people die.”


These statements are utterly cynical and hypocritical. Less than a decade after the New York Times played a central role in promoting the bogus “weapons of mass destruction” pretext for the US invasion of Iraq, it is propagandizing in support of another colonial intervention in yet another oil-rich country, Libya.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/feb2011/lead-f26.shtml

It never ceases to amaze me how these african leaders continue to show how desperate they are to be accepted by their white masters - this high school dropout who gained power through a military coup and has been in office for almost 20 years now thinks he is qualified to criticise Gadaffi.

What has Yahahya Jammeh done for his people other than hand Gambia over to lebanese and british business men to make money while leaving his people to wallow in poverty, i don't blame him.

Konjour:
Say whatever you may, you have your opinions and i have mine,btw, i didn't tag you in my post which indicates that i a'int giving you a sermon, ok. Gaddafi is a sick son of a bi.t.ch who's luxury 42 year ride in power has unfortunately come to an abrupt end and i can't wait to see a lot of libyans jubilating after that power drunk maggot has been bombed out of life. Shalom. 

He may be a sick so.n of a bi.tch to you but at least he was able to cater for his citizens, they didnt have to run away to live in europe like many nigerians in order to live like human beings.

If Gadaffi is a sick son of a bitc.h, that means Obasanjo and Babangida are unhinged psychopathic bastar.ds because not only have they been guilty of killing their own citizens as well but they have colluded with the west to steal billions of dollars of their own nations wealth and salted it away in foreign banks.

Babangida and Obasanjo are worth billions of dollars in stolen oil revenue and are free to walk around in nigeria without fearing for their lives, doesnt that make nigerians the dumbest cowards on the face of the planet?

They say remove the log in your own eye before you talk about the speck in someone else's.

Reference:
Whatever his composure on that chit chat is not important to me. We listen for correct responses. Kano state did not get it right with the vaccination issue. There are hundreds of fake drugs out there yet drugs are continually bought, sold and recommended. Isolate a particular drug or vaccine, round them up and destroy them. Investigate, prosecute the perps and move on. There can be no justification for with holding vaccines to children at risk from polio. No justification whatsoever. If he was a part of that covertly or overtly its just too bad. That is not leadership.

Did you not listen to what he said, the local people had lost confidence in the safety of the vaccines and many of them didnt trust the vaccines.

Shekarau consulted with the local clerics who were voicing the concerns of the local people, his conclusion was to isolate the vaccines that were seen as contaminated, have them analysed before giving the all clear, it was during this period that 259 children died from polio, it was a no win situation for Shekarau, should he have given the all clear prematurely? what if millions of children ended up dead this time around - woudl you have felt better knowing that at least they had been vaccinated?

^^^^^^

look who's talking!!!

You sheepishly jump on the bandwagon crying more than the bereaved about a situation that you do not fully understand, did you call for Obasanjo to resign or flee into exile when he sent troops to massacre people in Odi and Gbamaratu?

1 million africans died in Rwanda in 1994 following the UN's unwillingness to comitt troops to that region to protect people, where were your crocodile tears then?

As we speak 3 million people have been killed in the Congo as a result of a US sponsored war over mineral resources in eastern congo, why arent you up in arms about that?

No, the only time you remember to feel outrage and anger is when the western press operate you like a remote control and tell you when to get angry, - you're a joke, my friend!!!

tatiana009:
Please stop peddling lies, no one is jailed or accused of terrorism simply based on protesting if you have evidence to support your accusation please enlighten me. Before one can be labelled a terrorist in the US or Uk the government will have evidence that the person is planning or has executed an attack, there are loads of protests in the West all the time and you don't see them sending the protesters to jail.I am yet to hear of any country in the west sending jet fighters to bomb its citizens , unarmed men, women and children. Did Gaddafi find any evidence to suggest that any of the protesters is actually planning or executing attacks? the protests were by large peaceful and did not require killings. By the way it is unconstitutional for any government to hire non citizens (mercenaries) to kill its citizens. If he had a case,the people should have been arrested then the state will decide, mass killings is never justified.

For me my main interest lies not in the politics of who is trying to otherthrow whom and whatever part you think the west is playing. The point here is the human rights violations, i cannot support human beings like myself being killed in the masses without due process or just cause.  If these crimes were being committed by a President from the west my feelings would still be the same.

By the way, i will stop humouring you till you move to Libya and put your money where your mouth is. I have already told you, since Libya is so wonderful am sure you can get a job or university there (whatever it is you are doing in the west). For now you're just a coward who sits behind his computer in the west and preaches about how terrible the same west is. Do you think if you were in Libya you would dare open your mouth and make anti-government comments as a citizen talkless of a foreigner? that is one of the many benefits you have gotten from the west, freedom of speech and the Libyans would also like to experience.

please send us a postcard from Libya  

You dont sound as if you know much hence your clueless rambling, if as you say the US govt only arrests potential terrorists and jails them when they have evidence , why did the US govt under George Bush's tenure suspend habeas corpus which is a  principle tenet of the US constitution?

Why did they also enact the Military Commissions act 2006?

Here is what the above legislation enables the US govt to do:

[b]The bill grants the President of the United States almost unlimited authority in establishing and conducting military commissions to try persons held by the U.S., and considered to be "unlawful enemy combatants" in the Global War on Terrorism. In addition, the Act suspends the right of "unlawful enemy combatants" to present, or to have presented in their behalf, writs of habeas corpus.

The definition of "unlawful enemy combatant" is very broad and includes anyone engaged in peaceful protest:

"The term 'unlawful enemy combatant' means —
(i) a person who has engaged in hostilities or who has purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States or its co-belligerents who is not a lawful enemy combatant (including a person who is part of the Taliban, al-Qaida, or associated forces); or
(ii) a person who, before, on, or after the date of the enactment of the Military Commissions Act of 2006, has been determined to be an unlawful enemy combatant by a Combatant Status Review Tribunal or another competent tribunal established under the authority of the President or the Secretary of Defense."

Also since you are concerned about human rights violations why is the US govt holding thousands of prisoners in an illegal detention centre known as Guantanamo bay indefinitely without charge and why does the US and Britain send political prisoners to countries like Egypt, Somalia and Syria to be tortured despite not being convicted of any criminal offences?

Your problem is you can't think, you have been conditioned to follow like most african people and this is why you will remain a victim for life, obey and follow without question, i now realise that mental enslavement is actually worse than physical enslavement.

tatiana009:
So since the west is bad, its ok for Gaddafi to be bad, nice reasoning . I guess we can all go around killing and committing crimes afterall there will always be someone we can point at and say hey he's worse than me! The funny thing though is that the evil west committed all these "crimes" against other nations but Gaddafi is killing his own people, not exactly a smart move. That has always being the problem with African leaders, they sell out, kill and victimise there own citizens and then we blame the good old west for all Africa's problems.

Gadaffi is defending his regime from overthrow by western sponsored elements, attempting to overthrow a govt is a treasonous offence that normally earns you either a death sentence or life imprisonment.  If a group of people rose up in the US today and started protesting against the govt they would be branded terrrorists.  Under US law (the patriot act), terrorists can be held indefinitely without charge - the penalty for being a terrorist in the US is life imprisonment or the death penalty (depending on the state in which you perpetrated the alleged offence).

the nigerian govt has killed it own citizens on numerous occassions but the west didnt give a damn.

Shell, a british and dutch owned oil company ordered the nigerian govt to fire on and kill unarmed protesters in the niger delta region, they ordered obasanjo to send troops to odi and gbamaratu to kill and burn the houses of protesters who were simply asking for a share in the oil wealth in their region, did the west give a damn about that?  Did bbc, cnn, al jazeera, msnbc carry the story?

Open  your eyes and understand what is happening here, the west are seeking to overthrow Gadaffi and replace his regime with a puppet regime that willl give them free and easy access to the oil reserves.  Libya has the largest oil reserves in Africa , many of it untapped, the economy of the US is in tatters, they are virtually bankrupt and they need access to cheap oil, also China is about to overtake them as a world superpower they are now desperate and will do anything to hold onto their position of world superpower.

If someone like Gadaffi were in office in nigeria, i can assure you that nigeria would be next on the list of regimes designated for overthrow.

Konjour:
Each to his/her own,though, my personal thoughts stand in my stead : Any ''leader'' who imposes himself on the same people he governs(and i don't bleeping care if his gov't is the best Libya has ever seen) by depriving them of their free thoughts,speech and acts, a ''leader'' who believes that the best way to quell an uprising among his own kin and brethren is by sending armed fighter jets to shell out protesters, and even going as far as utilising his contacts in hiring 'mercenaries' to come and wage war against his civilians,cuz they do not want him to continue ruling THEM after forty-two years(42) freakin' years, the same shithole that ordered that 270 innocent men and women of free birth be shelled out of life in Lockerbie a couple of decades ago, the same naughty person that wanted Nigeria to split up in two, so that he's gonna acquire unrivalled headway in the Oil and Gas markets of Africa. That fu.cker has done enough to see him flown by a chartered luxury airplane into the heart of hell. And if there's anything i know about God and nature's forces, its that innocent blood is sacred and will always have the backing of these two super powers to avenge itself up to the tenth generation of the guilty vis-a-vis the unwritten laws of Karma. Gaddafi has definitely bitten more than he can chew and now he'll have to lie in his own bed of worms. I,unusually,hope he'll be usurped soon and even his corpse will not be given a honourable burial. Shalom!

Spare me the sermon.

Was it Gadaffi who invaded a sovereign state (Iraq) in order to appropriate trillions of dollars worth of oil?

Did he also impose an economic embargoe against a Sovereign state (Iraq) which led to the death of 250,000 children each year from malnutrition and starvation?

How about the "shock and awe" bombings which killed thousands of iraqis at the start of the second gulf war in 2003, was Gaddaffi responsible for that too?

I suppose he is also responsible for showering down the landmines, cluster bombs and white phosphorous that kill innocent people in Iraq and Afghanistan  on a daily basis even as we speak?

while you are busy condemning Gadaffi, make sure you include George W Bush, Tony Blair, Condoleeza Rice, Donald Rumsfeld, Colin Powell and other murderous b.astar.ds who have been responsible for launching some of the most barbaric attacks against defenceless and innocent human beings in history.

By the way who do you think sold Gadaffi all those helicopter gunships, guns, drones, tear gas - take a wild guess - let me help you out - Britain,   and you know what? they even trained his elite forces - so while your bursting a gasket take a minute out to understand who the real villains are in this whole situation.

Beyonce = fake sell out who hates being black and describes herself as "creole".

she is a terrible role model and icon to young black women.

you only have to look at her expression in the "black face" picture to see how she really feels about having dark skin

does a proud black woman have plastic surgery on her nose to make herself look more european or wear blonde wigs, or use bleaching creams?

Fela would turn in his grave if he knew these type of sellouts were associating themselves with him.

this whole photoshoot is an insult to Fela's legacy - is that how Fela's singers and dancers dressed and looked?

All they've done to her is put boot polish on her face , dress her in leopard print clothes (get it) and make her look like an african caricature, looks like they forgot to put a spear in one of her hands

Just read up on his background and he seems to have done a lot of good things for the people of Kano:

As Governor, Shekarau has opposed polio vaccination campaigns on the grounds that they are actually attempts to make Muslim women infertile. The World Health Organisation denies this.[1]

Shekarau was re-elected in 2007 because of his popularity in Kano State despite several efforts by the ruling PDP at the National level to stop him from contesting as well as manipulation of the electoral process. He became the first Governor to be re-elected for second term in the history of Kano State base on his achievement on societal re-orientation,poverty eradication and commitment to social co-existence between various ethnic group living in Kano, to the extent some people consider his tenure as one the most peaceful period of this democratic despensation, political thuggery replaced with freedom of expression were he allow opponents to express or criticise his leadership. he has a mass support from various class of the society, rich,poor,workers,clerics and traditional leaders all support him base on his wisdom to interact with high sense of humility and integrity. Base on this His Highness the Emir of Kano Turbaned him as the SARDAUNA OF KANO for the first time kano has SARDAUNA.

ACHIEVEMENTS Construction of new buildings all over Kano state Educational Institutions, new roads all over kano state, payment of pensions to pensioners Urban renewal of kano metro,Construction of new water treatment plant at Tamburawa and Watari western kano, poverty reduction through mass employment. In November 2009, the Kano chapter of the ANPP gave Shekarau the right to select the party's candidate for the 2011 governorship elections. Some pundits say this decision was a step towards making the prominent cleric Sheikh Ibrahim Khaleel the candidate but finally he endorse his commissioner for Local Government ALH SALIHU SAGIR TAKAI base on his honesty, Integrity, and high degree of humility, Shekarau to some speculators may join presidential race in 2011 as one elder statesman DANMASANIN KANO SAYS SHEKARAU is a potential material for the presidency

Now i see why the BBC are trying to discredit him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibrahim_Shekarau

I think Shekarau should have gone further and provided that boney faced b.itch with details of the Pfizer scandal and the subsequent fear it instilled in the minds of local communities in Kano - i wonder what the idi.ot would have had to say about that.

Shekarau was too polite to her, i can only assume that he is by nature a very patient man.

The world health organisation in collaboration with western pharmaceutical giants like Pfizer are genocidal monsters - isnt it ironic that despite their genocidal activities in africa no-one seems to want to put them under the spot light?

In the 1950s the world health organisation were responsible for administering the polio vaccination on over 1 million people in the region now known as Rwanda and Burundi,  by some strange coincidence the site of these vaccinations correlates with the earliest cases of HIV aids in that region. 

Im pretty sure Shekarau knows what these monsters are up to but the problem is he can't prove it, and even if he can who's going to believe him, something tells me his presidential ambitions are not going to go very far as he may have already made some very powerful enemies.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/2070634.stm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auLHndzBl4g&feature=related

Shekarau comported himself very well in this interview and defended his stance without getting emotional, i commend him for this.

I would say that he exercised incredible restraint given the emotive nature of this issue.

I dont know how he was able to control his anger especially when that emaciated uncle tom attempted to undermine him and make him look incompetent.

I am sick to my stomach of watching these self hating black coconuts (black on the outside but white on the inside) who keep trying to score points by attacking their fellow africans on white owned media organisations.

Shekarau had every right to take the stance he took with these polio vaccines was it not american owned pharmaceutical giant Pfizer that tested a supposed anti meningitis drug on children in Kano in 1996 which left 11 of them dead and 200 of them brain damaged?

The fact that Shekerau refused to allow children in Kano to once again be used as guinea pigs for these corrupt and powerful western pharmaceutical organisations indicates that he has a conscience, it also demonstrates that he has the courage of his convictions and will not be cowed by some of the most powerful names in the pharmaceutical industry - I doff my hat to him.

As for that bag of bones they call Zainab Badawi take your boney horselike face off our screens and go back to kissing whiteys arse because thats all you are good for - scum.

^^^^^

interesting, Ali Bongo of Gabon (late Omar Bongo's son) must be getting jittery then.

Next stop - the hausa fulani oligarchy of nigeria who have been in power for 43 years.

LadyT:
Cap28 please shut up Gaddafi is a crazy old goat who will kill his own people to stay in power.

I cant stand idiots who live in the west yet wont stop saying how evil the west is. If your own homeland is so great why dont you go back there then or are you not living in the west because our own leaders are so greedy they have ruined our homelands!

Rubbish and nonsense

Will you shut that hole you call a mouth.

Did you carry out a psychiatric assessment on Gadaffi to discovr that he is crazy?  Can a crazy man run a country for 42 years, make it self sufficient, modernise it, provide social services and full employment to its citizens and survive 15 years of economic embargoes imposed on it from the west?

Do yourself a favour and start using your brain, you owe it to yourself to stop being dependant on whitey to make decisions for you.

Do you think everyone is like you who is grateful to be in the west doing the menial jobs that whitey doesnt want to do himself?

So because im in the west i have no right to point out the evil and wicked things they have been doing around the world?  see how stu.pidly you reason, if you were intelligent you would know that nigeria is still a slave to western economic oppression.

Before you run to defend your white master educate yourself about how they have destroyed nigeria, Shell is in nigeria making billions in profits from our oil resources whilst causing terrible environmental degradation in the whole of the niger delta region, have they offered to clean up their mess or  build infrastructure in the area?  No, but dummy's like you say i should not criticise them.

Western owned financial institutions are in nigeria dictating to the nigerian govt and telling them to devalue our currency so that the average nigerian will be reduced to destititution and you have the nerve to run to defend these satanic people - ignorance is a disease and it kills, it will do you a world of good if you opened  your eyes and started finding out the truth about how the white man feels about you.

im really enjoying reading through this thread, very interesting posts especially the comments from the arabs at the beginning - time for our people to wake up and understand that we are on our own and we should focus on uniting as black africans and stop deceiving ourselves.

A man who exposes Obama as a black man who has let blacks in america down by failing to stand up for the truth:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZiqexz7aqQ&feature=related

this is the man the western media who are nothing more than rented political pro.stitutes and agents of the zionist controlled western media are brainwashing you about.

This is the man the zionist controlled western media want you to beleive is mentally ill, a man who is telling us the truth about how western multinationals cheat and exploit us:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JDct2pJeZM&feature=related