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seemples:
1Peter3:18-19

Col2:15

Eph4:8

johnw74
From an unused root meaning to despatch as a deputy, a messenger; specifically of God, that is , an angel

Johnw74
, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: ( Jesus Christ) " the hebrew word for messenger is " Malek" and it can be used for angel

seemples:
Jesus descended into hell just for their sakes...He went to set them hell captives free the Bible said sir

Blakjewelry:
Trying to use the scare tactics, it only worked on me when I was a kid.

Blakjewelry:
Trying to use the scare tactics, it only worked on me when I was a kid.

johnw74:
You are blind to anything there other than the word angel.

You tampered with my own quote changing what I posted,
so dishonest, but in keeping with jw practices.

johnw74:
The Hebrew word "malek" is used for more than angel


Mal 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger (John the Baptist), and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: (Jesus Christ) behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.


The Hebrew word for messenger is "malek" and it can be used for mean angel,



H4397

מַלְאָךְ
mal'âk
mal-awk'
From an unused root meaning to despatch as a deputy; a messenger; specifically of God, [size=24]that is, an angel [/size]

CANTICLES:
Act 17:31 reveal that Jehovah God Almighty, the God and Father of Christ is d person who plans to judge mankind .

His majesty has appointed Jesus Christ his son to overseer the whole work of judgement . So Jesus will be the one to carry out the WILL OF HIS FATHER

After this, Jesus Christ wil report back to His Almighty God And Father

"NEXT, he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power" 1 cor 15:24

Joagbaje:
. The Old Testament saints can't be perfected without the church Land christ blood .

Emusan:
I don't know you people's problem.

Wasn't Abraham, Isaac & Jacob counted worthy of RIGHTEOUSNESS? What I put up there is enough for an intelligent being to decipher.

Beside don't dodge my question too, For better understanding tell me, how the WORLD benefited from Jesus' death?

Emusan:
Let me use these your two questions to answer you here:

QUESTION: WHY DID Jesus CAME TO DIE FOR OUR SINS AGAIN? AFTRALL PEOPLE ARE ALREADY GOING TO HELL ?.

QUESTION: OF WHAT PURPOSE IS Jesus DEATH SINCE PEOPLE ARE MAKING HEAVEN WITHOUT HIM?

These are the questions you asked from OP, the first question is a result of evil whereas the second question is a result of RIGHTEOUSNESS.

I know you believe Abraham, Isaac, Jacob e.t.c live a life that different from the one Hitler, Osama e.t.c live, which then make them RIGHTEOUS AND COUNTED WORTHY before God.

So what is the essence of Jesus' death if people like Abraham, Isaac, Jacob live righteous without anybody died for them?

For better understanding tell me, how the WORLD benefited from Jesus' death?

CAPTIVATOR:
At " the time of the end. Many will rove about, and the true knowledge will become abundant " - Daniel 12:4

Emusan:
So was my question outside the OP?

This is the question again, what is the essence of Jesus' death when people are already counted worthy by faith and their good works before His death according to your believe?

Emusan:
Mr man the point I'm raising wasn't centered on whether some immortal soul go to heaven or not the point I'm putting to you from OP is the statement you made [size=14pt]"Faulty! ...... Its either the ghost doctrine is a LIE or Jesus Death is useless to Mankind. ONE of these two doctrines is a fabrication.[/size]

The underline shows how big was the religious spectacle you put on, yet you want to remove others when you couldn't even see yours talk less of removing.

Now answer my question, what is the essence of Jesus' death when people are already counted worthy by faith and their good works before His death according to your believe?

Emusan:
[s]

These are the questions I demanded of you,


Yet you say people will be saved according to their good work. since people will be saved ACCORDING TO THEIR GOOD WORK, why must Jesus come to die for SIN again?

Since these people were saved through their GOOD WORK without anybody died for them, what is the essence of Jesus coming to earth if some people have already been saved by good work?



Don't tell me story. [/s]

Emusan:
The evidence that you don't ponder over your statement before creating this thread is too obvious.



Are you a professed Christian or not?



Is it that "human are said to..." or what the scriptures say?



Why must you accept? Then see how what you accepted stands against you.

Have you removed the religious spectacle in yours first?


Show me where you read this in the Bible?
Yet you says people will be saved according to their good work. since people will be saved ACCORDING TO THEIR GOOD WORK, why must Jesus come to die for SIN again?

Since these people were saved through their GOOD WORK without anybody died for them, what is the essence of Jesus coming to earth if we people have already been saved by good work?

I can't stop laughing at your ignorance,
Of what purpose is the death of Jesus since your good work can save you?

Just consider how ridicule your questions sound.

JMAN05:
That was a wrong reply to:

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colloquialism is in most cases a wrong pronunciation of a word. "Jesus" as shown by captivator is wrong if we are to go by the hebrew. Even Jeremiah is a wrong pronunciation. The issue thus comes down to a form familiar with the English man.

jizzison:
Haba dats 2 much na...Its cheaper in lag tho.

ayoku777:
Yes David's body was buried in the grave (kehver) and it decayed and saw corruption. While his soul went to sheol.

David's body may or may not still be in the grave; depending on whether or not he was among the saints that rose bodily in Matthew 27v52-53. But I don't think David's soul is in sheol anymore.

The bible didn't say to where Enoch was taken. The bible only said "God took him". Let's not go beyond what is written.

And even if they were taken into heaven; we know heaven has levels, according to the bible.

Apostles Paul talks about "The third heaven" (2Cor 12v2); and the Psalms talks of "The heavens of heavens" (Psalm 68v33; Psalm 148v4).

But since Jesus said; No man hath ascended into heaven (John 3v13), then we can safely assume that Enoch and Elijah were not taken to paradise (the third heaven).

But ultimately; where they were taken, is left to speculation.

Yes I believe that was the real Samuel because the bible said he was.

The bible said; And SAMUEL said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? -1Samuel 28v15



It was not God speaking through the medium or even through Samuel. It was a medium that summoned up the spirit of Samuel from sheol through the power of the devil; and it was Samuel speaking.

I believe that until Jesus triumphed and took the keys of death and hell (sheol) from the devil; the devil had the power of death, and power over sheol and the dead.

Hebrews 2v14 -...that through death He (Jesus) might destroy him that HAD the power of death, that is, the devil;

The devil doesn't have that power anymore; that's why it said "HAD the power".

Jesus now has the keys of death and sheol. So any one who claims now that he can summon the souls of the dead from sheol, is actually summoning evils spirits pretending to be that soul.

Is there any law that says if people have already been judged and even condemned in sheol; its too late to die for their sins and overturn their sentence if they believe?

Its not like they rejected Christ. They were judged according to the imputed sin of Adam and their own works, before the gospel got to them.

So after Jesus died he took the gospel to them.

That they were already dead and judged doesn't make hearing the gospel impossible or too late. Rejecting the gospel of Christ is what makes salvation too late after death.

Shalom.

ayoku777:
You're the one getting it wrong.

Until Jesus died for our sins and rose for our justification; everyone who died went straight to hell (sheol -the place of the dead). Everyone; including Abraham, David, Samuel, etc.

Except for Enoch and Elijah, who God whisked away before death could come for them; everyone who died went to hell (sheol).

No one was righteous enough for eternal life or for heaven until Jesus died and rose and gave us His righteousness

1Samuel 28v13 -And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth.

This was when Saul went to the witch of Endor for her to help him conjur the spirit of Samuel the prophet.

Notice that the spirit of samuel was ascending out of the earth. meaning that, even Samuel, the prophet of the Lord descended into sheol when he died.

And hear what Samuel said unto Saul;

1Samuel 28v19 -Moreover the Lord will also deliver Israel with thee into the hands of the philistines: and tomorrow shalt thou and thy sons BE WITH ME:

Here was Samuel, a good man and the Lord's prophet; telling Saul, the evil king rejected by God; that by tomorrow, Saul and his sons will be with him (Samuel).

Meaning that, both the good and the evil went to the same place after death -Hell or Sheol.

Its clear however, from Christ's account of the rich man and Lazarus, that those who did good and pleased God relatively in their lifetime did not stay in the torment side of sheol. But they were in Hell (sheol) all the same.

Both Abraham and Lazarus and the rich went to hell (sheol); but Abraham and Lazarus were not in the torment side. But they were all in hell.

No one was righteous enough for eternal life or for heaven until Jesus came and gave us His righteous. Both the good and the evil went to sheol until Jesus came.

God bless you.

Emusan:
The bold part is a pure lie both Isaiah and Jeremiah were used by the writers of the NT which gives the Translators better idea of how to render them in English.

Or you want to tell us that when the NT writers used these words they weren't conveyed the true meaning and pronunciation?

If the Divine name has ever APPEARED in Greek NT, translators would have resolved this problem since but as NO NT writers use it I wonder how JWs get the Divine name into their own NT rendering.

Emusan:
Ohhhhh...it's now you can see added word in one's translation

but you can't you own added and omitted word in NWT.

The exact Greek word-for-word rendering in the Kingdom Interlinear Translation for John 14:14 is:
if ever anything YOU should ask me in the name of me this I shall do.
According to that Greek text, the Lord Jesus taught his disciples to pray to himself and he (Jesus) shall do it. In contrast to the Greek, the NWT inaccurately reads:

If YOU ask anything in my name, I will do it. Obviously, 'ME' has been removed by the NWT because of the implication of praying to Jesus.

You agree that THE NAME of Jesus will be CALLED UPON which is the truth we found the NT,
1. Have you CALLED ON THIS NAME BEFORE?
2. Why your organization says we can't pray to Jesus when it's evident that people will CALL ON HIS NAME?

Though you've claimed that CALLING UPON the name of Jesus is doing His Father's will but see the reason why this is just another attempt of twisting scriptures.

1. Both Christians and Jews know that God is being referred to as FATHER; and Paul is a Jews, so why will Paul be persecuting those who are TRULY DOING THE WILL OF THE FATHER since he persecuted those who called on the name of Jesus Christ? "But Ananias answered, [size=14pt]"Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much evil he has done to thy saints at Jerusalem; and here he has authority from the chief priests to bind all who CALL UPON THY NAME."[/size] Acts 9:13-14 RSV (bold & capital, mine)

2. If someone is doing the will of THE FATHER it's a thing ONLY GOD Himself could know, NO HUMAN BEING CAN TRULY KNOW IT. Then how come people know this if we should go by your perverted interpretation of the scriptures? "And all who heard him were amazed, and said, [size=14pt]"Is not this the man who made havoc in Jerusalem of those who called on this name?[/size] And he has come here for this purpose, to bring them bound before the chief priests." acts 9:21 RSV (bold, mine)

Don't be surprised that Watchtower has mislead you.