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sammyj:
This is a case of a criminals out smarting each other!

Exactly! Although I don't condone corruption or public funds looting but She planned her exit strategy all along. She has always had ties and business interests in Dominican Republic. Hence I'm not surprised about her citizenship. Very smart woman.

blackboy:
Some people will not like this. They said una dey run business centre and you cant do without opening church.
Shame to bad people. Fear God

Not sure what you mean by "some people will not like this". We are not against Chris or anyone running or owning a business. He was smart not to re-open his business now. The timing isn't right in order to maximize revenue through tithes, offerings and seed sowing. It just makes business sense to re-open when things improve especially for the customers.

MuttleyLaff:
Business strategy be this. Better to close shop until trade picks up properly, than open it and be wasting air-conditioning, electricity/power/diesel et cetera on scanty pews.

You absolutely read my mind. That's a smart strategy by Chris. He knows the timing isn't right but rather wait in order to maximize revenue through tithes, offerings and seed showings

majamajic:
Nice
I know Davido's dad through Davido.
Davido is a confirm Hustler, he dey hustle like he dey broke

Back to back top hits , good heart !
God is with him
I claim this type of his vanity

That's the main reason why I respect him - Despite born into a rich family, he still hustles hard to make and spend his own money.

Onyi22:
My love for Davido cannot be over emphasize , he's my everyday crush

Like for Davido, share for Burna boy

Onyi be careful o..Don't let Chioma catch you o.

Globad:
Yeye

What has happened to the curse he placed on Boko Haram since 2010?


https://www.nairaland.com/797602/oyedepo-curses-boko-haram


The likes Oyedepo lie and claim that they talk to God and the Holy Spirit 20 times a day but Coronavirus has opened their nyansh. Oh, God told me. Holy Ghost said that. Pretenders and liars. Him budget no balance again. It's all about the money from sheepies

Hahahahahhaha

E don enter Oyedepo body

On point.

Ningen:
Double meat??

That antelope is not safe for consumption Bro. It has already started undoing digestion. If you eat it; you can eat a snake regurgitated vermin.

I concur with you. But there's hunger in the land which supercedes safety to those guys.

ChopBellefull:
Omo my own experience ehn... I was a slow poison o... The full Benin hear am... Ogida barracks know my name till now

Hahaha! Bad guy.

petra1:
No mention they collected offering either so we should not give to God at all then .

I give according to how Yahshua taught us to give - the poor, the widows, the homeless, the sick, the orphans, etc.

evanvick:
Alot has been deliberated on tithe in the church but it seems some pastors still won't agree that tithe is archaic ways of worshipping God. I believe in offering, I believe in supporting the work of God and even sowing of seed. Some pastors even tame it that if you don't pay your tithe, you have committed sin. I don't know how true is this. Can someone tell me here that if you don't pay tithe you v committed sin? Please be gentle with me because I want to learn.

No mention of Yahshua and his Apostles preaching or collecting tithes. Giving to the poor and less privileged was what was preached and emphasized. But pastorpreneurs preach 10% of your income + offering should be transferred to their various bank accounts.

MasterJayJay:
THE TRUTH ABOUT TITHE.

Introduction: If your pastors say giving the needy, widows, orphans 10% of your income is not tithe, that you must pay it to him, then you are attending a business centre, not a church.

Malachi is the favourite book most pastors use to preach tithe. And it is very obvious, they use it because it contains a curse for those who don't pay it. Therefore, it is the 'best' verse used to brainwash Christians.

If you want to preach tithing, preach all verses related to it. Most of these men of God know the other verses but the only one they preach to their audience is Malachi. The sheep they are leading are even lazy to read their own bibles to see the truth for themselves. Note that quarter of truth is no truth, truth must be whole. Don’t add, don't remove.

Tithing is an Old Testament concept, just like circumcision and animal sacrifice. Things Christians were meant to abide to have validations from New testament after death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. There is nowhere tithe was clearly instructed in the New Testament after the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

The New Testament focuses on giving without compulsion. 2 Corinthians 9:7 captured it very well “Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver".

If you believe in tithing, then you should see other verses of the bible to know how it was applied thousands of years ago. Tithes were not for gentiles, it was for the Jews. Tithes were for the Levites, descendants of Levi. How many of your Pastors that preach Malachi to you are descendants of Levi?

There is a particular portion of the bible most pastors will never preach to you, and that can be found in Deut 14.22-29. Tithe was instructed to be given to the strangers, orphans, widows etc. How many pastors can boldly tell their members to give their tithes to widows and those in need?

Conclusion, if you want to pay tithe, that's your choice. But don't use outdated and obsolete verses like the one found in Malachi to threaten people. Are some verses outdated? Animal sacrifices were allowed in the Old Testament. After Jesus Christ paid for our sins, it made animal sacrifices to be outdated, and that includes tithes too.



For detailed explanation on tithes see this thread


https://www.nairaland.com/5783004/sentenced-asking-members-tithes-drama

Well said. This is exactly what I share with my brainwashed friends. I told them to show me as a Christian where Yeshua and his Apostles preached tithing or collected it. Unfortunately they couldn't.

Thejustw14:
So, they got healed staying at home watching you on TV?
Where they not tested first?
Where they not taken to isolation centers?
Where they not given any form of medication?
Do we not have Christians among those that are dead from the virus?
Do we not not have Pagans who have survived from the virus?
I'm a Christian but our religious leaders at times ehn...
#GRACE.:!!:.

Exactly! I applaud your logical and unbiased reasoning.
I told my friends that the only way I'll believe anyone who claims they got healed by pastorpreneurs is to show before and after test results. Showing no symptoms isn't indicative of being healed.

Sermwell:
My tithes goes to my aged parents every month!! If they want to pay tithe from it, that's their business!! even when I have not earn anything for 2 months now, I still sent my tithe to them!! can someone tell me if anything is wrong with how I tithe??

You’re doing the right thing.

litigator:
How many church buildings did Apostles Peter and Paul build?

Atleast, they wrote over 75% of the new testament. The church in Ephisus, was it a physical building during the days of the great persecution?

Also, juxtapose your assertion with the Biblical elucidations that " the kingdom of God is within thee". Luke 17:20-21, particularly at verse 21.

Also, the old church shared everything in common and non lacked. Even those who had benefited from the good will of others but wanted to be greedy with theirs, met fatal punishment. How well has our modern church copied such precedent? Acts 4: 30-End; Acts 5.

During this period of Covid-19, how well is the church resources being shared amongst members of the church and by extension, members of the public as a tool of evangelism?

Jesus fed the congregation because He knew the importance of food to the body(biological feeding), and salvation to the soul( spiritual feeding).

How well has our church emulated this biblical precedent during COVID-19. Is this not the best time to win souls to the kingdom via the apt deployment of both mechanism?

Jesus and Apostle Peter were both leaders of the Church, both yet they knew they were trustees of the church, thus, gave good account of stewardship and didn't owe much personal property. Acts 4:32-End

Even Jesus lead by example by borrowing the a colt He used for triumphant entry. He could afford to buy one of the very best, and his actions will be justified because it is for the propagation of the gospel , but instead borrowed one. Mark 11:3.

***Take notice that this is a lame excuse being used by our religious leaders in an attempt to justify the luxurious lifestyle and the acquisition of aircrafts and phantom automobiles. But that is a discourse for another day.

From Apostle Peter's encounter with the man at the beautiful gate, it is apt to conclude that He didn't control the church resources even as a leader and pastor of the first church. He thus gave freely that which he had which was his anointing and heal the man of his infirmity. Can same be said for modern-day pastors and spiritual leaders? What changed?

Finally, lockdown has been lifted in some parts of the western world such as Italy where the church began, but the physical place of congregation is still under lockdown. Most of these pastors have church branches within such domicile, why are they not condemning the govt of such state as they do Nigeria?

Kindly educate my ignorance.

I await your timely response, God bless.

I am an Omnist and Bible student. I know there are 4200+ religion in our modern-day world, and that God is not a Christian, but He is" I am that I am".

Reference: God is not a Christian by Archbishop Desmond Tutu.

I offer my highest regards.

I have questions for my Muslim brothers too, but we will address that another day. Shalom.

Well said..I applaud your logical reasoning factual assertions devoid of sentiment and bias.

ivolt:
Many pastorpreneurs are suffering from a reduction in tithe.
More will speak up in the coming weeks.


They are so desperate that they are now spreading fake news and crazy conspiracies
about the Coronavirus just to undermine the government.

It is a shame that the average pastor is now indistinguishable from delusional conspiracy theories.

Exactly! Their desperation is so evident. No doubt they all took a hit in revenue from their gullible followers tithes and offerings.

Maxymilliano:
Oyedepo is right tho ...

Church na market too

I concur with you.
Oyedepo sells hope and prosperity gospel to the gullibles and sheeple in exchange for their tithes, offerings, seed and Shiloh sacrifice.
Bottom line - Oyedepo is right that the church is also a market.

ProudlyAfarmer:
America has spent the money...














Richest country my foot

Actually the money has been invested ever since it got deposited into those accounts and has been earning interest @ a minimum of 10% per annum. If they decide to realase it today, it would be the interests accumulated over the years while they still keep the principal earning more money for them.
America wins here.

AmazingMOG:
God bless all the believers


May God destroy all the Islamist and atheists opposing Christianity in this thread may 2020 be their end

I curse o ye atheists and all The people on this forum insulting men of God may coronavirus meet you and your family end

I curse your generation

May their life be cut short


If I be a man of God!

I believe you're going against the Bible if you're truly a Christian (Christ-like)
. Matthew 5:44

Pr0cter:
Let me tell you all one fact.



This billionaire doesn't care about you.



The reason for the donation to Federal Government is for favourable business policies so that he can make more billions and not necessarily because he has the masses at heart.


Same intention goes with UBA, AccessBank, and many other organizations.


So don't be angry when they don't give you the money directly. They know what they are doing.

Exactly my assertions which explains why they 'donate' the money directly to the Govt.

pyyxxaro:
Oboi nor be small money this guy chop oh

I swear..heavy chopping and investments.

junique629:
whether he pays 2k or not ,d money will still finish,if he pays his tithe,God will bless him,the later is a better deal if you ask me. If you pay your tithe you can be bold enough to ask God for help if you run into trouble but when you squander all your money,you would have your conscience to contend with when you need God's assistance in your finances.

But he shouldn't be paying any tithe if he's a Christian - Christ and His disciples never paid tithes neither did they instruct anyone to do so. However, he can give out of the 20k to anyone(the poor, less privileged, etc) if he likes.

raddyworld:
When people don't understand the essence of an act we tend to argue it out of ignorance. Bro u are such a wonderful person with that attitude of love to your neighbour. But may I ask Many people here. WHAT DID U UNDERSTAND BY TITHE?
WHY DID GOD SAID WE SHOULD PAY TITHE IN OLD TESTAMENT?
WHO ARE THOSE TO COLLECT THE TITHE?
Did God make any of his commandments by force?

Tithe is the tenth percent of ur income.
Tithe was paid to the house of God so that there can be meat in God's house and not that God will come and eat ur meagre amount that u think without it church and pastors can not exist.
The meat are for those that labour in God's house without another Job.
Mind you when u give something to God it is an avenue for him to bless u more and preserve the rest.
Lastly if you decide not to pay Na ur palava God doesn't need ur money before he can bless his prophet and build his church.
Go and read the story of Elijah and the shunamen woman.
Those they said not to pay. Are like Pa jimoh who harvest maize from his friends farm bcus it was given to him and was told that for him to harvest like him he should sow small seed out of the maize that was given to him. But he was angry complaining that ground will eat out of his seed. And by that he continue with his system of life. But he that heed have more seed to harvest. It is because God declare that the ground should be fruitful. God doesn't eat ur small maize. It just want it to pass such process .
By this I will advice that bro to pay and leave those who think they are smart with only 10%.
What you can't give God is your God. And Hebrew 11:6 says....without faith it is impossible to please God.
I rest my case

He's the needy and we should be 'giving' to him and not advising him to 'pay'.
I advised him to save or invest so he can tap into it during difficult times to feed his family.
Stay safe.

Mrpojj:
He could still pay tithe and still save 10% if he wants

I told him tithing is not a Christian doctrine but Giving is..I've never tithed but I give and help the needy and the less privileged just like I gave him some assistance to feed his family.

JustAPhase:
Hope you helping arms isn't for friends alone?
You can as well help a stranger like me o.
#runsout o.
No yab me o

When I assist, I help anyone regardless of race, ethnicity, religion, familiarity, age and gender.

alexsoftwork:
Bro u no help am oo. U for no give maybr him eyes go open.
After this whole covid-19, he is still not going to learn.

I felt sympathy for his family and had to assist. I believe he learnt a lot from our conversation and hope he applies it.

Joshforeal:
The most important thing you gave him is knowledge. Remain blessed Sir/Ma. If he likes let him continue building Daddy GOs account balance and neglect his own.

Exactly! Knowledge and understanding are very powerful assets. He was grateful.

ThothHermes:
Tithing is the way out of lack. I don't have to argue with you. There is a revelation component to kingdom mysteries.

We don't have to argue. I just asked you for New Testament verses to buttress your tithing point and you didn't provide any.
In conclusion, we're all trying to assist her and her family out of their present situation.

ThothHermes:
Ah. Very dangerous.
Please do I beg you. Your life is about to change. I guarantee you in the name of the Lord.

How do you want her to tithe or sow seed when she's in desperate need of assistance?
As Christians, show me where Christ said it's "Very dangerous not to tithe"?
Any assistance she gets should be used to invest in a business venture that will yield profits to ultimately lead to taking care of her family. That's how her life will change.

Akunwafor:
How much did your church give you as lockdown stimulus?

Exactly the same question I asked a friend who reached out to me last week for financial assistance to feed his family.
He said he attends a mega church in Lagos and had been paying tithes for many years but hasn't received any assistance from them yet despite reaching out.
I told him it makes no sense that his church has billions of Naira in their various bank accounts and some or majority of their members are suffering and in desperate need for help.
I also told him if he had saved 10% of his income for years in a savings account earning him interest, he would have tapped into that savings during this time to feed his family.
I later helped him and hoped he used it wisely.

Mavrick2012:
I heard my neighbor asking another neighbor if he can pay tithe from the 20k alert he got from government.
This got me thinking.
Are members expected to pay a tenth of whatever they get at this difficult period?

The 20k is barely enough for that neighbor or anyone to survive on during this unprecedented times. It makes no sense that if that neighbor still 'pays' 2k to his pastor and then turns around after a week to seek for financial assistance from others.

OpenYourEyes1:
Check around you, if you find people that need help, help them. And don't do it to be seen.. . Helping when others are not seeing you is way better. You get your blessings from GOD for helping this way.
This is a great time to apply tithing (you should tithe always though... even in time of peace). So give N10 or more if you have N100 only, 
- Give N50 or more if you have 500 only, 
- Give N100 or more if you have N1000 only,
- Give N1000 or more if you have N10000 only
- Give N100,000 or more if you have N1million
Etc...
You can also do the tithing with good food and essential stuff.

✳Don't accuse anyone of not helping if you don't help enough too. That is shameful hypocrisy! Everyone should help, even the poor.
✴ Don't help to be seen or respected by others. Help anonymously or in secret if possible. There is nothing wrong if people see you helping others though. What matters is your heart. GOD knows if you are doing it to be seen. HE knows our heart and secret thoughts. Help without telling people you help others or without letting others know you are helping those in need.


One of the reasons you do this is to help people survive and so evil like arm robbery don't increase in your community or family.
To those who steal or rob others, know that it is evil and you will be judged by GOD if you don't repent. Live in righteousness and holiness or you will be judged.




Added:

Selfless giving.

Blessing from GOD = when you give not to be seen, respected or praised by men.

I agree with you which is what giving is all about.
However, Can you back up the bolded from a Christian perspective(New Testament - Christ-like)