So now I must ask: What are ajegunle boys?

Thanks Weev! Now can you write me a grad school rec? ~j/k~

@Topic & USnaijagirl
It occured to me today that many African Americans say "I didn't know you were African" not b/c we have lack distinct features but b/c of their preconcieved notions of what Africans are. Whether Black, white or undecided many Americans - more so than Europeans I think - think Africans are ugly, naked, ignorant and did I say ugly. If you are a pretty girl or an intelligent person, ppl will be amazed that you are African and when you ask "Why?" they will not say "B/c of my ingrained racist perspections" but instead "You do not look it."

This statement, "You do not look it" maybe w/o intention offence but it is still loaded. Perhaps we are looking for the wrong thing! Here we are trying to explain why Igbos are light skinned or "Igbo ppl look like A.A.s" when we should ask "Do we really?" I don't think that we (ndi Igbo) look more like A.A. than Edo ppl - and that's a compliment. Instead of questioning ourselves we should be questioning others. Let 'em know the truth y'all.

Yes I do (usually) ask for documentation. You can post whatever you desire.

But while your response is interesting I don't know that I can believe it. It's hard to believe that Thomas Slavetrader would say "These Yoruba ppl hold on to their culture, let's sell 'em to the Spaniards, I'll take the Igbos thanks." I don't think Tommie Slavetrader was a sociologist/anthropologists type reading into who retains their culture. Furthermore slavery was perpatrated by people who believed we (Africans, Black pppl, whathaveyou) were/are without culture and distinction. People were separated from each other to stop alliances/mutiny but most slavetraders thought we were below culture.

In my opinoin a 60% Igbo (& Ibibio) majority would had held onto some (more) culture and language. Why don't we have an Igbo version of the Gullah people in the US? It just doesn't follow that 60% of the ppl would just say "Hey let's just let this Igbo stuff go. . ."

To me, the most logical explanation is that many, many groups of Africans were shipped to the US as slaves - to the extent that there was no clear majority - and that English was learned as lengua franca. While culture was suppressed by slavery itself, the Africans in America - and their descendants, African Americans - adopted a parts of new cultures and thereby decreased the cultural differences between groups. I'm not say that you are wrong, but I think that this explanation is the most logical one. Er, at this point, yes, post your links or give me a book list.

Please post a link to the Angola information. I know very little about them. (Have you seen that PBS doc called "Angola" about slave born free in Angola who bought himself out of slavery and later owned a large farm?)

hot-angel:

For some reason, these abs no shack me at all. The guys that have the cute abs sef, don't have a matching face.

LOL Hot-A! I hear you, but then the guys with the cute face don't have the matching attitude. ~j/k~

What a contest!?! Abeg, can I count the abs?

Yes I read the direct deposit line. I ignored it b/c it did not answer the central question of economical submission. Even w/ direct deposit a woman could "submit" by signing over her account or only withdrawing per her husband's instructions. Now I see your point of view which is fine b/c everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

TX is still hot & humid.

Well it seems there is more than one question on this thread. For one, I'd tell my husband how much I earn. I have a big mouth & I see no reason for secrecy. But I wouldn't "submit" my check to him (nor would I expect his check). I think both checks should go for household expenses and general savings.

@Bhola
It seems I misunderstood your post. I'm sorry. But now I'm not sure where you stand on this thread's question. Are you submitting or no? I think you are & that you're saying this is endorsed by the Bible.

ToyM28:

Dats why i have an issue with feminism, not that my work and walk with illiterates. In fact, momsy and popsy, are hell bent on educating african women 2 speak out. And that it their job. They do that.

I don't completely get this.

ToyM28:
So people saying i shld walk with more educated are just being unfair, i know what am talkng about. M not just some illiterate trying 2 sound funky, i know that feminism has been takng to the extreme and if we are not careful, it would be again.

Well I don't think that the fear of extremes is the best reason to not join. For instance, ice cream and a big Mac might make a child fat and diabetic if they are abused (or taken to extremes) but as long as caution and common sense prevails there is not much to fear. We must trust ourselves with common sense. We can not pretend that men have common sense and we do not. That is not fair and it's irresponsible of women to do/think so. Furthermore, doesn't patriarchy have ugly extremes? The extreme of institutionalized, societal patriarchy is. . . Slavery. That's right folks; it is not only women who suffer under patriarchy. And the "lesser" extreme of patriarchy is serfdom. (I'm sure that living in the UK you must know that such staples as tea time were inventing to keep the unbathed, illiterate working classes alive on hot water and stale bread so that they would not die of malnourishment before the end of their 12 hour work day.)

So you see they both have extremes. But perhaps we'd do better to compare other things and not just the slippery slope.

Abeg, where is _{the resident feminist on Nairaland}, Nferyn? Holiday?

I really like Rabbi Schumely. He has a show right now called Shalom in the Home and has written lots of books. I've read Dating Secrets of the Ten Commandments

But he's right, the Nation of Islam is corrupt. I don't respect that organization and draw a distinction btw the Nation of Islam and Islam (the religion). The Nation of Islam is outright antiSemitic meanwhile they drive around in Bentleys like the Queen Mum profitting on the fear, ignorance and poverty in the (Eastcoast) black community. On top of that, they killed Malcolm! Chei!

Michael J. got close to the Nation of Islam t/o his brother, Jermaine, during his trial for pedophilia. Jermaine converted in the 90s for whatever reason - search for inner peace I guess. Inner peace seems to be one thing this family can't achieve w/ all the money, self hate, plastic surgery, sex, marriages, lies & children in the mist. And the quest continues. . .

Well I have never heard or seen that, but you're right: not all feminist philosophy or practice is the same.

Well I'm glad you responded Toy2MB, b/c I don't think feminism is about bringing men down. (Or at least not the feminism I subscribe to.) I think that people are afraid of feminism b/c they think it's about bringing men down. Now, there's nothing wrong w/ humbling a person (gender notwithstanding) but bringing men and/or women down will not help the cause of humanity. We must respect each other.

Tell me, do you agree w/ Weev's (basic) defn of feminism on page 1?

@Spikyn
Are you referring to her marriage? But feminists needn't be spinsters. I don't think that's a prerequisite.
And thanks for the respect.

So Bhola, you don't plan to get married but you know what being a good wife entails Yea. . .that makes sense. . .

My dear, I don't know what you should do. I think others have spoken well already. I just wanted to say Good luck w/ everything & stick to your love so that he may cling to you as well! Be blessed!

Yes I sure there was NO American crime until the Nigerians arrived.

Well I for one don't see where men take the religious or moral highground away from women. Think of the number of (male) hypocrites, adulterers and child abusers. . .now narrow your thoughts to only those who've been Pope! You'll find more than 2 dozen. I don't know that a woman could have done any worse.

Also, patriarchy & matriarchy are mutually exclusive. They can not exist at the same time.

I know this is an Igbo thread but I just want to say I have mad respect for Yoruba people. Somehow they kept their language & culture alive despite the odds. In the Americas, there are Yoruba indigenes in S. America, notably Brazil. There culture is still alive in different countries though it's thought of as mysticism. You've gotta be a pretty strong group of people to do that. So if you're Yoruba, whether from Benin, Togo or Nigeria, give yourself a pat on the back. In fact I proclaim today: International Yoruba Day!

Hero, I see you've been reading! But really you've brought up many interesting things over the last few months. I've read and gone out to read other things after your posts. I've also read about the lost tribe of Israel connection. For anyone interested, Igbo ppl claim 4 main origins, 3 from the West (a lil shaky here. . .) and 1 from the East (Aro). The "Easterners" came from the "East", from NE Africa it is believed. So I see where you're going w/ this Hero. But I do disagree w/ your statistics. (I think you know this.) Like someone said, if the vast majority of slaves were from Igboland, then Igbo language would have survived as Yoruba did. The fact that it did not must contridict your assertion and statitics. Also, Igbo ppl from around Arochucku (SE Igboland) can learn Ibibio and Ibibio ppl can learn our Igbo dialect - my Uncles did & their friends in boyhood - so Ibibio would have also survived. And let's not forget, we are very very very many! Who are these "coastal people" who took us against our will

I for one think that Igbo slaves were sold by other Igbo people (if only to other Nigerian ethnicities and eventually ended up in the Americas). And finally, as you've pointed out Hero, there were slave "ports" in Nigeria. But I believe these were markets where slaves could be purchased though not the dominant trade of the market. Anyhow, there ports were located from Cameron and up the West Coast to Ghana, Togo, Cote d'voire. Arochuckwu was supposedly a "huge slave market" it was located in Arochucku. . .as I said I think it was a big market not necessarily a big slave market but it's size was a result of the dominant Arochucku Federation. You see, the preists of Aro had everyone on lock at the moment (end of 18thc to 19thc). I think Igbo states to the West paid tribute there etc. If this is so - and I believe it to be - how are other groups supposed to come in & capture us? Guns? Yes, guns. . .but if we founght the Brits (w/ their guns) until like 19teens (w/ the Woman's War in 1929) what makes you think the "coastal groups" with their small numbers could be so dominant?

spikedcylinder:

Our opinions differ when it comes to that.I think she's a stupid careless woman but that is only my opinion and my opinion doesnt stop the millions of dollars she rakes in every other day.

You take care and have a nice day too.

Co-signed. I'm in total agreement.