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Emmy450:
lol the good Joe is a calm principled man without grudges the only issue is, he is focus on is point alone, that been said the good joe is a good man

Real good people don't put the word "good" in their names

His thebadjoe...

TheSuperNerd:
Rodri is not Ndidi. Ndidi is not Rodri.

Rodri combines a fine mix of Ball-winning and Ball-playing traits. This is why he is the Undisputed finest CDM now in the EPL.

Ndidi is just a Destroyer DM. Finish.

So, DM pass DM.

True Story.

Someone shared an image of rankings of DMs and Ndidi was #2 despite the fact that he was out due injuries which means that without those injuries Ndidi will be #1..

So according to stats Ndidi is in the top two best DMs in the world and without injuries Ndidi is the best DM in the world right now.

You guys saw the stats and got intimidated and started making up useless and senseless titles for DMs such as destroyer , ball playing DM and other nonsense titles

If you guys are truly Nigerians then stop undermining Nigerian footballers. Unless majority of people on this thread have slave mentality.

TheSuperNerd:
What he meant to say is Ballplaying DM.

We have DM varieties. We have Destroyer DMs/Ball winning DMs and we have Ball-playing DMs. We have those who have a mix of both qualities.

Ndidi is a Destroyer DM and TheGoodJoe is saying his underpar abilities on the ball remains a bane which is true. Something I have overanalysed here before.

Ndidi of today is a far cry from peak Ndidi of 20/21. That season saw an improved version of Ndidi showing even encouraging signs in his normally average/underpar ball playing and passing verticality but since then, it has been downhill.

So my man, DM is not DM. DM pass DM.

DM is DM..

end of story..

Emmy450:
thank you, I said same thing a while back, his primary role are interceptions, tackles etc, Those offensive duties are secondary. but I'm not in support of ur attack on the good Joe

I'm not attacking him...

His been condescending to any opinion that opposes his own so I just keep on responding to see if he continues been condescending to know his personal attitude and behaviors without seeing him physically.

TheGoodJoe:
No Bro. [color=#e810c8] You are very wrong. [/color] It is the same with defenders. Not all players are naturally built for the passing game. It is just like Vincent Kompany. He is a pass master. Fernandinho, pulls passing stats like creative midfielder. That is why Manchester United is going for Casemiro. He has good dictation play.

It is just like saying Goal keepers are the same. Guardiola let Joe Hart go because he is not good with his feet.

I believe Busquets has a faster passing instinct than Iniesta, Xavi and Messi. His brain just ticks fast. It is not the same as putting Ngolo Kante in defence.

Today, possessive coaches like Defensive midfielders that can contribute as Pivots in passing and build up play. It is now critical.

Kompany had younger De Bruyne, nasri, David Silva, fernandinho , Yaya Toure in midfield... All he had to do was pass to either Toure or Fernandinho or any of the defenders that drop deep...


the bolded is another trait of a teenager or someone with inferiority complex.. learn to say "you are very right" even if you don't mean it...

Meliforme:
Considering the quality in the players we have, Ndidi will always be needed in midfield.

Ndidi will keep it simple. He is decent at making short passes, which is the most fundamental. This doesn't prevent us from building from deep.

this is something TheGoodJoe doesn't seem to understand...

Ndidi's should be making short passes to the other midfielders and full backs either Iwobi or Nwakwali or any midfielder playing those roles..

the major point is that there should always be 2 other midfielders on the pitch apart from the DM so that makes it at least 3 midfielders in the starting eleven..

its Eguavoen that has ruined TheGoodJoe's psych because Eguavoen will play only 1 midfielder or at best 2 midfielders then 4 or 5 attackers... so there was no one dropping deep to the midfield for Ndidi to pass to so Ndidi had to make passes that the oppositions will end up intercepting and winning...

TheGoodJoe:

It is not just Eguavoen's tactics but his playing style. You can't class Nididi as a playmaking defensive midfielder. It is not every defensive midfielder that can play like Rodri or Busquets

you see your problem...

there is no such thing as a "playmaking defensive midfielder"

DM is DM...

even your FC Barcelona had Iniesta, Xavi and Busquets as the DM..

current Manchester United has Erikson, Fernandez and McTominay or Fred or Casimero as the DM...

what you should say is that Ndidi should try to be more offensive but if Ndidi is more offensive then who will protect the midfield

TheGoodJoe:
You do not need to call his decisions foolish to make your point.

By the way, he is talking of having ball passing midfielders. In your list, there are forwards.

you must be under 17 years old...

I didn't call mostob decisions foolish..

you like putting words in peoples mouths to make your own point...

and if mostob also holds the opinion that players must be playing in the Top 5 leagues before they can get call ups then his decision is foolish...

mostob is talking about Iwobi, Nwakwali and Ndidi in the S.E starting eleven which means they have to be invited then the coach has to start them...

Aribo was a hindrance to Nwakwali's chances at the AFCON an d Eguavoen lack of belief in midfielders and lack of playing possession football caused it. Eguavoen believes having 4 - 6 strikers playing in Top 5 leagues in the starting eleven will win him matches...

TheGoodJoe:
Ndidi has the work rate but he needs to develop his passing. A deep playing pivot is becoming key if you must play possession football.

You need a deep player that can combine with the defenders to play out of the back. I am seeing potential in Samson Tijani for that role. Ndidi might have to fall to defence but his passing might still prove a liability.

there are different types of passing but summarized into short passes and long passes..

you didn't specify which one Ndidi is average at... If his passing his average then let the coaches tell players to play short passes because Eguavoen's tactics didn't help Ndidi's cause due to fact that all the attacking players were always far away from the defensive players including Ndidi...

mostob:
I just pray his performance this season will be a stepping stone for Kelechi. The talent is there, he just needs to work hard more.

Call me whatever you want, I really wish to have Ndidi, Iwobi and Nwakali manning our Midfield.

But till then, Sultan, Onyedika and the likes should be invited for next friendlies.

how can you wish for something that should be tested in friendly matches... if not for such foolish mentality, players like Simy Nwachukwu, Samuel Adegbenro, Yiro sor, Awoniyi, Amoo, will be getting more caps in the S.E.

S.E had players playing top division football against Tunisia and Ghana and Super Eagles still couldn't beat them...

Obi4Ever:
May God cause confusion for the Dutch.

God doesn't play sports...

Deltamani:
Just In: NFF Set To Make Decision On Randy Waldrum And His Crew After WAFCON Disaster

The Executive Committee of the Nigerian Football Federation has directed its Technical and Development Sub-Committe to make an evaluation of the technical abilities of Super Falcons coach, Randy Waldrum and his ability, along with his crew to lead the team to a good performance at the World Cup

Following a detailed presentation by the Head of Delegation of Nigeria team to the 12th Women Africa Cup of Nations in Morocco, Ms. Aisha Falode, the Executive Committee directed its Technical and Development Sub-Committee to hold a meeting and make recommendations on the way forward for the Senior Women National Team, Super Falcons, including but not limited to a thorough evaluation of the capability of the coaching crew to lead the team to a creditable performance at the FIFA World Cup finals in Australia and New Zealand next year.

The Executive Committee praised the U20 Women National Team, Falconets for its excellent performance at the ongoing FIFA U20 Women’s World Cup in Costa Rica, at which the team has won all three matches of the group phase and qualified for the quarter-finals as group leader.


It noted that the achievement, as well as the triumphs of the U20 and U17 Boys in regional tournaments in Niger Republic and Ghana, and the qualification of the U17 Girls for the FIFA U17 Women’s World Cup India 2022, is a marker of the dedication, vision and investment of the present NFF administration in youth development.

The Falcons finished fourth at the last WAFCON tournament in Morocco and lost three matches

Deltamani:
Massive Benefits my foot, After all the Benefits where’s the trophy to show for?

On record Randy is the Worstest Coach to handle the Superfalcons… If NFF are serious and dedicated enough they should be able to get the Ladies good number of Friendly games..

We need good results not just playing up and down.

Can you now compare the style of Play of the Superfalcons and Falconet??

I’m not saying Coach Danjuma is a good coach though but at least he has improved with what I’m seeing.

Danielnino00:
Friendly with France and Canada.. Participated in the five nations tournament and the Cyprus women cup...

Dennerby at least used those friendlies well and won us the AWCON...

What has Randy achieved with all the high profile friendlies? .. If he could lead us to our worst AWCON outing in history, what gives the assurance that he would do great at the world cup?
Tell us, just exactly what has improved about the team performance since Randy took over...

lovewins:
I'm quoting this to reiterate in simpler terms what I wrote (not like it isn't simple enough to understand). I've had to separate into paragraphs for the purpose of clarity. How AkinDS read his bias into it still beats me. Here we go.

Paragraph 1: After the news of the possibility of Randy being sacked became public, I began by expressing my desire of getting a new coach that our FB players will find comfortable working with. You'll notice the conversation was centered around Nigerian coaches. The incident with Ucheria Uche comes to mind. Also notice that "Foreign born" was primarily for descriptive purposes.

Paragraph 2: I went ahead to credit Randy as a major reason why these girls chose to play for us in the first place. So how we manage them Vis a Vis a coaching crew change becomes crucial

Paragraph 3: I finally suggested Akide and Omagbemi as successors of Randy chief of the reason being that they've both worked in the US before and transition wouldn't be too difficult.

NB: My position on Randy continuing as coach isn't hidden. I wanted him sacked after the WAFCON, but I've also made peace with the fact that he might remain the coach for the Super Falcons.

Cc: AkinDS

Sacking Waldrum will be their biggest mistake... Let him coach in the World Cup he qualified them for..

Even if a new coach takes over... key players like Ayinde and Ajibade will miss the 2 games in the world cup and everyone noticed how weak the Super Falcons were without them so their replacements needs to be scouted....

Oshoala hasn't had it good with injuries and the NFF always trying to rush her back instead of scouting for her replacements...

Anyone who advocates for Waldrums sack is extremely short-sighted...

Super Falcons won't do well at the world cup unless there are quality replacements/substitutes for Oshoala, Ayinde and Ajibade... I believe Oshoala already has a quality substitute in Onumonu but another striker is needed because Onumonu gets tired quickly...

Ayinde , Ajibade and the entire Super Falcons and NFF needs to coach them on how to tackle players and just track player because red cards will hurt any team in any competition...

daveP:
Defensive errors got them a good portion of their goals, aside the pks they got. They are good at Cks. Their game against USA shows how bad the usa defence was. Their no 7 will struggle alot vs Imuran imo. She's their star girl.


Midfield battle? Non existent- We will come out tops.
Setpieces? I give it to them. We should be wary of in box tackles. That's if they give them a chance, which i doubt. Got some good headers too.


As for attack- i doubt they can handle our forwards, sincerely. The Ghana goal is proof of that. Even if Flourish starts from bench, they still won't be able to successfully soak in the threat. We really need to take our chances as we are going to see alot of those.

Coach Danjuma better allow Abiodun start that game. This is her kind of game.


We will be their first real test of their own strengths. I won't be surprised if they go the korean way.

daveP:
Abi is it about height ni. All our forwards are not that tall or good aerially. Except they are hiding it, which i doubt. That Idoko foul that led to pk showed signs of a good header.

Seeing they improved on the crosses, i expect they'll fo same for the finishing.

some of the strikers and plalyers are 17 years old which is very bad for an U20 competitions..

We need 19 years old to play even if the 17 years old are trying.. that Okwuchukwu is 17 years old and she missed many chances, she doesn't have the confidence that Flourish Sabastine has unless she was just unlucky...

Gift Monday is 20 years old... why she isn't in this competition is an abomination...

andrewbaba44:
Ndidi is massively underrated

Ndidi will be number 1 if wasn't getting injured...

TheGoodJoe:

Messi was not there. Fabregas was not there.

It was a young Busquest, Pedro, Vasquez, Gai Assulin, Jeffren, and in a little patch, Thiago Alcantara.

bye bye

TheGoodJoe:

Guardiola coached the Barcelona B team and was so good, they made him the head coach of Barcelona main team.

B-team that had Thiago, Messi, Bojan, pedro, Fabregas e.t.c.

TheGoodJoe:


Even in the 50s, the Hungarians played possession football. The Rinus Michels side of Holland built my love for the possession game. So, I never said it was a Guardiola invention. However, Guardiola made tactical advancements to it that turned it into the most turn to strategy for success.

By the way, that ball those 90s teams were playing will totally be nullified by the teams today. Simple, advancement in the modern game. From tactics to work rate etc.

Guardiola should coach Girona f.c and win La Liga then I'll take him seriously

if someone listens to you they will think G:uardiola has won the most UCL Trophies

TheGoodJoe:

I think you are making a mixup here. I said buildup play has to do with fluidity and working with your teammate. When you talk mainly of Denilson and Ronaldinho, a lot of their shines came from flair on the ball. More of solo skills than teammate work.

This is not about Europeans. Sharks of Port Harcourt played a very fluid possession-based build-up startegy in the 90s. So it is not just a European thing.

So jumping to De Bruyne passing to Haaland, I do not understand how you can equate that to the solo skills of Ronaldinho and Denilson. To an extent, Leonardo.

who assisted Messi first goal for Barcelona

you're claiming they don't work with teammates.

abi its teammates that don't work with them

TheGoodJoe:

Where did you get that? I never hid my admiration of Eguavoen. I learned a lot from studying him. I have high respect for him.

However, I think Addo is more versed than Eguavoen in the possession game and if Eguavoen adds a bit more possession to his philosophy, I think he can become phenomenal.

You see

oluwasunkanmi97:
So in this order of the table, it should be ;

1st. Spain 2010
2nd. Germany 2014
3rd. Italy 2006
4th. Brazil 2002
5th. France 1998
6th. France 2018.

Right

Or is there anybody with a different opinion

1st. Brazil
2nd. France
3rd. Italy
4th. Germany
5th Argentina 2014
6th. Holland 2010
7th. Spain 2010

TheGoodJoe:

I think that qualifying series was all Addo. He did a good job and looks a sound tactician to me.

TheGoodJoe:

I do not really look at results for a game. Results add ups with time. However, in the first leg, the Ghanaians were tactically superior. In the second game, our approach was not as sound as I expected. On the whole, I believe the better side tactically qualified (Ghana) but we had the players to have done a good job. We failed at it.

I knew it...

Addo is now a sound tactician while Eguavoen is not

TheGoodJoe:

Carrying the ball is not build-up play. The building takes place in blocks. Not solo runs. That alone nullifies these players with respect to the system of play.

When you drop deep, there is a reason for it. Mainly to create passing lanes and make the team play fluid. Making the team play fluid is making use of passing options.

Those guys were phenomenal in talent but lacked the tactical advancement the world has experienced at the time Spain dominated. The Brazilian team will not see the ball to even play.

you see why I said you should do stand-up comedy

I've seen your problem..

If e:uropeans say carrying and running with the ball is build-up play then you'll agree

Your problem is inferiority complex

if you saw the pass De-Bruyne gave Haaland for his 2nd goal against West Ham you won't be saying this trash because that's how teams played in the 90s and 2000s... that's the job of a #10.

or the pass Eze gave Zaha for his goal against Liverpool.

In the 90s and 2000s, teams like Brazil, Italy, Germany had at least 2 "De-Bruyne/Eze/Iniesta/Xavi/Pirlo/Juninho/Ronaldinho/G.Silva" players in their teams that could dribble and run with ball and play a midfield and defense splitting pass that the striker will score...

not the sideways ultra passing Spanish teams that are powerless without Xavi and Iniesta that today every team now thinks passing sideways is build-up play...

If there is anyone that uses build-up play then its Arsene Wenger just that the Arsenal board messed him up.. Arsenal and many other teams have been playing possessive football before Guardiola became a coach.

andrewbaba44:
Spanish teams are short yet the teams with tall players couldn’t defeat them at the 2010 World Cup

The 2010 Spanish world cups back 4 consist of only 1 short player who was Charles puyol

Why did Germany Netherlands and co not use corner kicks to eliminate them

Football is not mathematics

Holland was the main culprit... if not for Robben's poor finishing Holland would have won....

there was nothing special about that Spanish team...

its the same way Super Eagles isn't at the 2022 world cup due to poor finishing of Moses Simon and Osimhen's high propensity to be offside..

thegoodjoe will say it was chris H:ugton and Addo superior and advanced tactical prowess that made Ghana qualify

TheGoodJoe:

I don't. Which of them understood how to press as a unit. Which of them understood how to drop deep to help build play. It is just not the same way of play.

That was why when Guardiola came in, he literally ghosted past all teams. Broke all records because all teams were tactically deficient compared to his team.

That was why Spain was easily a dominant force in that era too.

The Brazilian team were of the 97-2000 era were tactical amateurs to Spain.

They won't even see ball to play.

you're saying nonsense by saying "Which of them understood how to press as a unit. Which of them understood how to drop deep to help build play. It is just not the same way of play."

All of them knew how to drop deep and help build play... you're talking about players that love ( not like ) carrying and running with the ball from defense to offense as if its nothing ... if you watch videos of Denilson, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, R. Carlos, Rivaldo, Cafu e.t.c you'll see videos of them running with the ball from defense to offense if that's not building play to you then

it is an abomination to call those players tactical amateurs..

Its Spain that won't see ball to play..

TheGoodJoe:
Abuses will not help your point.

At the end, Sampaoli used some mind blowing pressing strategy to nullify the possession game of Spain. It was analysed repeatedly. He is a student of Bielsa. So, tactical depths played a big part in the demolition and the French team lacked that.

The point is too simple.

TheGoodJoe:
Jurgen Klopp explained how Organization made it no more about better players. So writing names shows you are still off the point.

Football is not just about the Coaches, its mainly about the players that's why the same Jurgen Klopp and other managers are spending over $60m for players..

South Americans and even Africans play street football and in street football you close down your opponents and that's the mentality they had and not just about the coach's coaching...

Even some people on this thread say Osimhen plays aggressively when his actually playing the normal Nigerian way and some people also on this thread say Nigerians and Africans play physical football when in reality and truth its pressing football we play just that some African players can be overly physical...

If you're watching the U20 women's World Cup you'll notice the Falconets always pressing their opponents without been overly and too physical....

for people like you when non-Africans do it then its pressing but when Nigerians and Africans do it then its gra-gra...

oluwasunkanmi97:
So.......................


If the team of France 98, Brazil 02 , Italy 06, Spain 2010, Germany 2014 and France 2018 all in their prime were to be placed in a two legged league.

Do you think the Spanish side of 2010 will top the others ?.

Spanish team will finish bottom of the group...

most of that set of spanish players are short...

the other teams will use corner kicks , headers , free kicks e.t.c. to beat them..

Italy of 2006 had prime Pirlo, Cannavaro, Gattuso, Inzaghi, Buffon, Del Piero, De Rossi, Francesco Totti , Luca Toni, Maldini , Nesta , Zanetti , Grosso e.t.c..

TheGoodJoe:
Spain's loss was down to the tactical growth of teams. That is the factor missing in the French team.

TheGoodJoe:
Pedro can not lace Ronaldinho's boots when it comes to skills, taking on players, scoring acrobatic goals, etc.

When it comes to pressing the last line of defence, tracking back to defend, attacking free spaces, opening of passes etc, Pedro beats Ronaldinho hands down.

So Pep will always hinge towards a player that can give him what he wants. Pedro is miles ahead of Ronaldinho tactically.

TheGoodJoe:
Off point again.

When Spain lost to Chile, it was when Chile was coached by Sampaoli, which was an assistant to Marcelo Bielsa, who was one of the mentors of he modern game we see today.

That was why Guardiola was obsessed with Mendy who was a student of Marcelo Bielsa at Marseille and Laporte who was a student developed by Bielsa.

So Chile side was still a side that were tactically sound in the modern game compared to the France team of 1998 that were lost in the modern game of today.

you're a clown

2014 world cup was on the American continent so for most countries it was like home matches even U.S.A reached 2nd round...

Chile had better players simple... prime Alexis Sanchez, vidal e.t.c..

go and try stand up comedy

Football analysis is not your thing

TheGoodJoe:
Guardiola is not a racist. If not, he would not have loved Abidal.

Ronaldinho was not dropped for Messi because they were already playing together for Rijkaard. Ronaldinho lost his place to a young Pedro because Pedro was miles ahead tactically than Ronaldinho.

Excerpt from Guardiola;
“Pedro’s made me a better manager. He showed us the importance of pressing high. He’s a player that moves well between the lines and in the area he’s a killer.”

So the selections had to do with tactical depths and brilliance. It has more to do with working as a tactical unit than individual brilliance.

Ronaldinho lost his place not just due to racism but also because he was gaining weight and not serious about having a fit body.

It is an abomination to say Pedro is miles ahead of Ronaldinho tactically.

Pedro can't lace Ronaldinho's boots in any lifetime.

Pedro is a Catalan like G:uardiola and Guardiola is a tribalist.

TheGoodJoe:

I am just pointing out that it was not overwhelming display by France. It also highlights the point that there is more to the game than quality of players.

How ever, the Spanish side was too advanced tactically for the France team. So the Spaniards get the nod.

you're contradicting yourself...

the France team beat a super Brazil team 3 - 0...

The france team had very good headers of the ball that's one of the reasons they scored corners.. so If the France team scores 5 corner kicks against your Tactically advanced Spanish team you'll say " It also highlights the point that there is more to the game than quality of players. "

you're a clown

TheGoodJoe:
When you say 3-0, two goals were corner kicks. Scored by Zidane. The late goal was a counter after Brazil committed most men to try to salvage the game.

Ronaldo de Lima had a convulsion before the match and was unconscious. He was still knocked out unconscious on the field by Fabian Barthez.

A fit Ronaldo would have likely won't the game. With his team.

Goal is goal whether corner kicks or free kicks e.t.c.. France beat an extra-ordinary Brazil ( without Ronaldo ) ... that's what matters..

TheGoodJoe:
That France team can not tear or come close. They could beat Brazil then because of tactical deficiencies of both parties. The Spanish team had advanced too far compared to 98. 98 is like Stone age tactics to the revolution that took place from 2008.

I will repeat something I posted here earlier.

Graeme Le Saux who used to be England and Chelsea's left back interviewed Toby Alderweireld. Alderweireld told Me Saux some tactical defending concepts and Le Saux exclaimed, IF I KNEW THIS EARLIER IN MY CAREER, I WOULD HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE BEST LEFT BACKS OF MY TIME".

This tells you the gulf in class between tactics of the past and today.

That is why Guardiola could drop Ronaldinho. It was no more about just how good you are with the ball. Advanced knowledge of tactical concepts is now key.

Guardiola dropped Ronaldinho because he is a racist and there was another finisher called Messi in the team.. or is Messi , Xavi , Iniesta bad with the ball..

Football is always about how good you are with the ball and what you bring to the team...

TheGoodJoe:
You are running in circles. You tried to play down tactics. Below is your statement.

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Football is about goals not just tactics.

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Then look at what you wrote on top.

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Bayern tactical adjustments that made them to be better than Barcelona

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Please, Guardiola had a big influence on Low and German football.

German football needed a revolution and Löw would be the man to lead it, changing the fate of the country's football forever. With a revamped, streamlined youth academy system and a pacey, dominating brand of possession football, Löw was a coach who advanced the profession.

https://www.dw.com/en/joachim-l%C3%B6w-germanys-greatest-coach-but-a-man-who-stayed-too-long/a-58102452

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So even the Germany you are trying to praise adopted the possession game too. It was all thanks to Barcelona.

That France team did not have the tactical acumen to match Spain in any way. The Spanish side was far tactically advanced and would win the France team repeatedly.

I said "not just tactics" I didn't play down tactics..

That era had multiple special talents in their prime in one team.

That France team beat prime Brazil ( without Ronaldo) 3 - 0.

That France team will tear the Spanish team apart..

That Spanish team can't beat the Brazil that the France team beat.