₦airaland Forum

gidgiddy:
You were shown an official government document that proves that it was Gowon that abolished Regionalism

But you are bringing online comments as your of proof? You guys are laughable

another comment below.

femisplash:
The British authorities feared Awolowo's intellectualism and sagacity that they conspired and he was rigged out. Here was a man that was a century ahead of his peers. Don't take my word for it, visit your history- The NTA you have on your TV screen today was formerly the WNTV, the first in Africa. Under Awolowo, the King of Saudi Arabia came all the way down to Nigeria for medicals in the old University teaching hospital, Ibadan. Free medical care for all, free and compulsory Education, including scholarships for students abroad (UK) funded by the Western Government. Agriculture was the major revenue earner with commodity boards directly buying off agricultural produce from Farmers profitably and selling to consumers at reasonably prices.
Wait for this, Awolowo was the first to establish an Embassy in the UK aimed at promoting diplomatic relations between the UK Govt and the Govt of Western Nigeria but unfortunately, ALL of these gains and more were eroded when a section of the country led by Aguiyi Ironsi destroyed regionalism and replaced it with Unitary System of Government through Section 34 of Unification Decree. Now, SW has become" be as I be" but we muuve!, God pass dem.
At the time the British were leaving us, they gave to each section of the country her own regional autonomy while handing the affairs of the central government to the duo of Hausa/Fulani and Ibo as Prime Minister and Governor-General respectively. However, unfortunately, three years into our budding republic, some greedy folks from a section of the country, in their wiles and clannish egoistical attempts at dominating the rest of the country- According to Azikiwe who had said in 1947 that " it seems as though the God of Africa had created the ibos to dominate and lead the African Continent", hatched the very first and bloodiest coup ever known on Nigerian soil whereby both Military and democratic leaders of Western, Midwest and Northern were gruesomely murderer leaving "their own" to spare.
Bashir Elrufai has every rights to bask and be boastful not because the North were greedy with power but because ibos introduced a needless coup and would later collapse a functioning regional system and above all kicked against secession clause into the 1959 constitution, which allowed the North took advantage of the lapses created, thus entrenching their grip on power. Power is sweet, they tasted it and loved it. I could remember that the North were contented with the progress of the regional Government with cotton, hides and skin providing the major source of revenue. Until Azikiwe and his Ibo comrades threw Awolowo under the bus to align with the North.
The likes of Prof. Uju Anya is only paying for the sins and the carelessness of her ancestors, ( especially the stupidity of Ojukwu during the war) so, she should kindly STFU and take a back seat.
Your forefathers were already regretting making you a 4th class citizen at the gate of their graves.

which registrars accept chipper cash

gidgiddy:
Then you better read Decree 34 well because there is nothing in it taking resource control away from the Regions. Ironsi kept all 4 Regions he met with full resource control and their revenue

It was Gowon that came in and promulgated Decree 14 which abolished all 4 Regions, created 12 states to replace them, and scrapped resource control

Gowons Decree 14 can be found on the internet but the first page is below, read it and cure your ignorance

read your fellow igbo supremacist comment below accepting Ironsi's culpability maybe you'll understand his explanation the problem with his explanation that I have is that he says it was by mistake and it wasn't by mistake...

the funny thing is that you commented before him on the thread I took his comment from..

CSTRR:
True.
The British tried very hard to put the North on top.

But those guys were too dumb to actually grab it.

It was ironsi with his unitary policy that ensured that the economic disparity between the North and the South that promoted southern superiority was dissipated on the altar of one unitary country.

And once the economic advantage moved from regions to federal control, it created an equilibrium that empowered the populous north.

It was an Igbo man that ironically created Northern dominance by mistake.

gidgiddy:
Its not possible for Ironsi to have abolished Regionalism, all 4 Regions were still existing the day Ironsi died, with full resource control

The person who abolished Regionalism was Gowon, who came after Uronsi died, and used decree 14 to abolish all 4 Regions, created 12 new stated and scrapped resource control

Ironsi created the unification Decree 34 of 1966 and created a SINGLE civil service for the whole country..

regionalism is about each region keeping its revenue and been able to make decisions to develop their infrastructure without interference from the FG......

the unification decree meant that each region no longer keeps its revenue and now needs permission from FG before they can develop their infrastructure and that only the FG can hire people into each regions public institutions.

creation of states doesn't remove the laws and guidelines that make regionalism...

If states in Nigeria start receiving 90% - 97% of their revenue from the federal institutions in their states then that means we are practicing regionalism...

Grandmeister:
Is it that you enjoy lying or that you are just ignorant? How can ojukwu and ironsi who were ahead of nzeogwu( a major) be amongst the coup plotters? Ironsi was in the west and ojukwu was in the east. They can’t take orders from nzeogwu because he was a junior officer to them. Everybody that orchestrated that coup were either majors or lieutenants! This is basic military hierarchy.

its not about who is junior or senior, its about carrying out successful coup ( tribal war ) and controlling the revenue and resources of the other tribes...

In summary, it was no longer a military and political war... It was a tribal war..

A tribal war to violently and forcefully take control of the revenue and resources of the other tribes.


you are the ignorant one....

Truthdeypain:
Of course they did bro. War is to soldiers not to civilians, kids women and children.

"The all is fair in war" and "Starvation is a legitimate" weapon of war both slogans of AWOLOWO are great fallacies which he himself knows as the lawyer he is.

Bro what do you think of the HOLOCAUST and the the RWANDAN GENOCIDE.

Some of these heartless fools on this forum claiming that the Nazis did not apologize and make repatriations after the war, are obviously being intentionally ignorant.

There nothing to say sha. I have been good to all the Yorubas I have met all my life but I am seriously having a reconfiguration of heart. These People were not only evil in the past but perhaps the most evil minded people today anywhere I don't speak of Northerners because I know they love to spill blood. But this time around BiAFRA wasn't a fair fight it was a Genocide.

The bastard who was equatikg countries that fought and supported each other is obviously disinforming his illiterate audience. All those countries he listed there none officially supported BiAFRA. Infact the french they said we're trying to support BiAFRA didn't even have the guts they went through I don't know whether it's cameron now abi na ivory cost to take in some arms every now and then BiAFRA really was struggling with getting international help

YET had AWOLOWO not carried out his starvation policies BIAFRA would have certainly lived free from it's enemies today. On its own free from wicked people who hate progress in their lives but will only kill another man because if oil.

Truthdeypain:
Of course they did bro. War is to soldiers not to civilians, kids women and children.

"The all is fair in war" and "Starvation is a legitimate" weapon of war both slogans of AWOLOWO are great fallacies which he himself knows as the lawyer he is.

Bro what do you think of the HOLOCAUST and the the RWANDAN GENOCIDE.

Some of these heartless fools on this forum claiming that the Nazis did not apologize and make repatriations after the war, are obviously being intentionally ignorant.

There nothing to say sha. I have been good to all the Yorubas I have met all my life but I am seriously having a reconfiguration of heart. These People were not only evil in the past but perhaps the most evil minded people today anywhere I don't speak of Northerners because I know they love to spill blood. But this time around BiAFRA wasn't a fair fight it was a Genocide.

The bastard who was equatikg countries that fought and supported each other is obviously disinforming his illiterate audience. All those countries he listed there none officially supported BiAFRA. Infact the french they said we're trying to support BiAFRA didn't even have the guts they went through I don't know whether it's cameron now abi na ivory cost to take in some arms every now and then BiAFRA really was struggling with getting international help

YET had AWOLOWO not carried out his starvation policies BIAFRA would have certainly lived free from it's enemies today. On its own free from wicked people who hate progress in their lives but will only kill another man because if oil.

Truthdeypain:
You are actually super stupid. And you reason like a shit eating slowpoke.

Is she angry at Nigerians, just imagine the daft questions you are asking, when a woman explained herself to pieces.

As for me I am happy at Nigerians for constantly denying burying distorting twisting and falsifying historical certainties. I am happy for having people who do not understand the plan and torture our parents and grandparents went through make statement like this. " Awolowo should have sacrificed more of those bastard kwashiokor babies" those mockeries are even being made on these threads. Those are hate speeches those things are being mad eon twitter do you know you cannot say such stuff about the RWANDAN GENOCIDE or the Holocaust.

So you are telling me that this woman shouldn't be angry. There is no human being with a heart who has watched or followed the civil war and documentaries and has not been reduced to tears. It is only you devilish children of hate and Genocide who have the spirits of AWOLOWO and Ahmadu Bello inside of you who express emotions differently (on favour of the (GENOCIDERS) Keep deceiving your useless self.

We are talking about GENOCIDE, STARVATION, WAR CRIMES you go go dey here dey talk rubbish, person dey traumatized, una go still dey ask useless questions. There's no point trying to explain anything to you. For the fact you fit dey dismiss that tangible explanation that women gave shows you are as useless and stupid as the rest of the idiots in this forum if not more.

Children of the devil and Genocide.

like I told gidgiddy.

for you and people like you, you prefer the killing of millions of Binis, Yorubas and other tribes in Nigeria than to say and accept that Ojukwu and Azikwe were wrong to start a war by killing other tribes and seizing their lands...

what food did the families of Ojukwu, Ironsi, Azikwe and Nzeogwu eat while other igbos were starving to death

If the Ojukwu, Ironsi and Nzeogwu war was successful it means millions of southern tribes would have killed and this would have led to retaliation by these tribes and the killing of Ojukwu, Ironsi and Nzeogwu which would have also led to another more bloody war on Igbos all over Nigeria and southern Nigeria and it will be a lot more than 3 million igbos killed...

gidgiddy:
Same as many Doctors, Nurses, Lawyers and other professionals are fleeing Nigeria to gi abroad daily?

like I told anonimi

Yorubas and other Nigerians are working abroad because Ironsi, Azikwe and Ojukwu were so jealous and envious of wealthy Yoruba people and other wealthy Nigerians they decided to abolish regionalism and centralize the wealth of all the regions which led to the destruction of wealth distribution among southern Nigerians which is also one of the reasons your fellow I:gbos are dealing drugs and doing armed robbery and cultism, prostitution outside Nigeria..

Grandmeister:
You have repeated this Igbo coup so much that it is beginning to look like the truth, and aided with your devious removal of history to challenge such lies. Because nzeogwu was the leader made it an Igbo coup?? What about Brig. Ademulegun?? What about Brig. Maimalari? These were nzeogwu’s right hand men who carried out the coups and actively pulled the triggers, BUT no! You all now made it look like nzeogwu was at different places at the same time shooting people?

Grandmeister:
Your opinion is yours and you are very well entitled to them. Back then Nigeria was still in the full grips of the British government. America wouldn’t have done zilch if the British didn’t sanction it then. Gowon and ojukwu were less than 33 years old when that war started, gowon wasn’t even married then, most of the top military guys were either newly married or single at that age so it is understandable, the ego and lack of diplomacy they possessed for men their age. Nobody is excusing them but that war could have been averted if the British government stayed out of it. An agreement was reached at Aburi for goodness sake! Only to be thwarted by the behest of the British government.

the Aburi accord happened after the killing of leaders from other regions by Ojukwu, Ironsi, Nzeogwu and his gang and Gowon is from a minority tribe in the north while the leaders the Igbos killed were from majority tribes so it was out of Gowon's hands or the major tribes would have killed him and put their own people and the war would have still happened without Gowon...

The war could have been averted if the Igbos did try to colonize Nigeria by killing other tribes and seizing their lands and removing regionalism..

gidgiddy:
You might want to revisit your Nigerian history. The killing of Igbos started as far back 1945 when they were massacred in Jos, and in 1953 when they were massacred in Kano. But the only coup you Nigerians remember is the first coup that was tagged "Igbo coup". Other coups that claimed far more lives dont bother you people





The Regional government where every Region controlled their resources and paid the government at the centre was removed by Gowon. It was Gowon that used Decree 14 to abolish all 4 Regions of the time, replaced them with 12 states, and scrapped resource control. No military government writes constitution, they rule by decree




It was the Biafra/Nigeria war, Ojukwu was entitled to invade Benin, Ore or anywhere in Nigeria same as Nigeria invaded Enugu and Onitsha

If anyone was killed in Benin, their relatives are free to do what Uju Anya did on Tweeter, she is not stopping them.





Ojukwu never declared any war, Gowon was the one who declared war and sent Soldiers to the East. Ojukwu only wanted to go his way with his people. At least Ojukwu fought for the freedom of his people before running away. You people cant fight for even 3 minutes to even talk about getting to the stage of running away



You should be thanking them for calling Nigeria a zoo. Nigeria is poverty capital of the world and second most terrorised country on earth, much worse than a zoo

"The killing of Igbos started as far back 1945", why did Nnamdi Azikwe reject Secession Clause since he already live through this "killing of Igbos" events

It was Ironsi that removed regional government..

for you and people like you, you prefer the killing of millions of Binis, Yorubas and other tribes in Nigeria than to say and accept that Ojukwu and Azikwe were wrong to start a war...

mind you, the relatives of the people killed have already taken their revenge between 1966 - 1970 by killing millions of i:gbos, they don't need to rant on t:witter...

If Ojukwu "only wanted to go his way with his people" then he won't be attacking other tribes in the south and seizing their indigenous lands, attacking other tribes and seizing their land is declaration of war... H:erdmens are doing similar which has led to tribal vigilantes, who are rising up and fighting back and killing them..

the comment below answers you

quickly:
that woman is a fool

that civil war started with the killing of all the northern leaders including the then prime minister and sadauna of sokoto. who was like the regional governor in a time of 3 regions. also other top northern soldiers.

What is funny is that azikiwe was president and senate president was a man called nwafor. Head of miltary too was Nzeogwu.

kingthreat:
If Uju were in the UK, there is a possibility that a nationalist would have assassinated her. You encourage people to keep talking anyhow. At least you cannot do the same to Islam in public.
On the Benin invasion, the Bini kingdom was already weak in the late 19th century. Ovonramwen killed tens on British soldiers. On expecting war with the British, many innocent indigenes were sacrificed to appease the gods to favour him in the war. Then the British came with a force and showed him the Art of War and looted. To the victor, all the spoils. That was the story. There was a provocation.
You should be lucky that it is the British empire in power. If Hitler had succeeded, a rebellious tribe would have been exterminated. If you have a problem with colonization, then your people instead of fighting stupid battles, looting resources and being corrupt should create a formidable military. From Day 1, Earth has been about conquest. We speak English because our ancestors were weak.

We speak English because the leaders allow it not because ancestors were weak if ancestors were weak we would have been colonized since the 1500s.

If English is not used then people will have to learn the language of the region they are in which should be the norm but because of " one Nigeria" its not the norm.

Igbojew:
If you like try by using your last line where you said that you don't have any hatred for Igbos and that you still support Peter Obi to water down the enormous hatred you have against Igbos the fact is Igbos have seen you people's hatred against them finish and they don't give a f*ck...............I am that Igbojew the table shaker

The comments below answers you.

onuman:
Laugh over your foolishness.
Aburi Accord in Ghana would have averted the Nigerian civil war.
But Nigeria reneged after signing the accord. Nigeria started the war against Biafra.
Arewa leaders were about declaring Arewa Republic when the colonial masters advised them to stick to one Nigeria, including the resource rich Biafra area.
Uju Anya recounts how her pregnant mum carrying two other children was running as refugee from one town to the next, each time Nigeria's soldiers arrived.

But after the war, Nigeria's Finance Minister ordered that any Biafran who could find documents to prove that he/she had account with Nigeria's bank before the civil war, should be paid a paltry sum of £20.
The Finance minister knew that only a few of the refugees running from one town to the other, would be able to still have any proof of having account in a Nigerian bank before the civil war.

Till today, Nigeria has waged economic and political war against the Igbo.
The British had a referendum over membership of EU. Why does Nigeria fear referendum on who wants to be a Nigerian?

The comments below answers you

Nairanation2:
Are our Igbo brothers aware that this war was completely needless & avoidable had Nnamdi Azikwe through his Eastern Nigeria party NCNC not thwarted d much fought & debated 'right to secession clause' championed by Awolowo's The Action Group. This was to be part of d Constitution then. Azikwe formed an alliance with d North through the Northern party, the Northern People's Congress this clause never saw d light of d day. In d end, who suffered? There's Karma. The Igbos inadvertently played themselves.

Morphinne:
Apologize to you for a war you started? Ojukwu should be the one to apologize for foolishly leading your blind fathers into a war they were never going to win.
What were they thinking when they killed one of the brightest minds the northern Nigeria had ever produced, sir Abubakar Tafawa Balewa, Ahmadu Bello, Chief Samuel Ladoke Akintola and 19 others while sparing their own people in power at the time?
They even installed an Igbo man to be the head of government yet these set of vile people keep playing the victim cards on us.
The Igbo race owes the Southwesterners, the South-south people as well the Northerners an apology for killing their sons and revered leaders in the event that marked the first ever bloodshed disguised to be a political struggle. You can’t keep claiming to be victims when indeed, you started the madness but got yourselves whipped and tamed and reduced to dots in a circle ever since. Pls swallow your L in peace and move on. Nigerians too deserve a profound apology from you pigs.

Grandmeister:
Biafra declared war on Nigeria? Some of you Nigerians especially from the west are very demonic! Even the northerners who benefited more from the aftermath of the war are not this crass and foolish.

The comments below answers you

onuman:
Laugh over your foolishness.
Aburi Accord in Ghana would have averted the Nigerian civil war.
But Nigeria reneged after signing the accord. Nigeria started the war against Biafra.
Arewa leaders were about declaring Arewa Republic when the colonial masters advised them to stick to one Nigeria, including the resource rich Biafra area.
Uju Anya recounts how her pregnant mum carrying two other children was running as refugee from one town to the next, each time Nigeria's soldiers arrived.

But after the war, Nigeria's Finance Minister ordered that any Biafran who could find documents to prove that he/she had account with Nigeria's bank before the civil war, should be paid a paltry sum of £20.
The Finance minister knew that only a few of the refugees running from one town to the other, would be able to still have any proof of having account in a Nigerian bank before the civil war.

Till today, Nigeria has waged economic and political war against the Igbo.
The British had a referendum over membership of EU. Why does Nigeria fear referendum on who wants to be a Nigerian?

The comments below answers you

Nairanation2:
Are our Igbo brothers aware that this war was completely needless & avoidable had Nnamdi Azikwe through his Eastern Nigeria party NCNC not thwarted d much fought & debated 'right to secession clause' championed by Awolowo's The Action Group. This was to be part of d Constitution then. Azikwe formed an alliance with d North through the Northern party, the Northern People's Congress this clause never saw d light of d day. In d end, who suffered? There's Karma. The Igbos inadvertently played themselves.

Morphinne:
Apologize to you for a war you started? Ojukwu should be the one to apologize for foolishly leading your blind fathers into a war they were never going to win.
What were they thinking when they killed one of the brightest minds the northern Nigeria had ever produced, sir Abubakar Tafawa Balewa, Ahmadu Bello, Chief Samuel Ladoke Akintola and 19 others while sparing their own people in power at the time?
They even installed an Igbo man to be the head of government yet these set of vile people keep playing the victim cards on us.
The Igbo race owes the Southwesterners, the South-south people as well the Northerners an apology for killing their sons and revered leaders in the event that marked the first ever bloodshed disguised to be a political struggle. You can’t keep claiming to be victims when indeed, you started the madness but got yourselves whipped and tamed and reduced to dots in a circle ever since. Pls swallow your L in peace and move on. Nigerians too deserve a profound apology from you pigs.

onuman:
Laugh over your foolishness.
Aburi Accord in Ghana would have averted the Nigerian civil war.
But Nigeria reneged after signing the accord. Nigeria started the war against Biafra.
Arewa leaders were about declaring Arewa Republic when the colonial masters advised them to stick to one Nigeria, including the resource rich Biafra area.
Uju Anya recounts how her pregnant mum carrying two other children was running as refugee from one town to the next, each time Nigeria's soldiers arrived.

But after the war, Nigeria's Finance Minister ordered that any Biafran who could find documents to prove that he/she had account with Nigeria's bank before the civil war, should be paid a paltry sum of £20.
The Finance minister knew that only a few of the refugees running from one town to the other, would be able to still have any proof of having account in a Nigerian bank before the civil war.

Till today, Nigeria has waged economic and political war against the Igbo.
The British had a referendum over membership of EU. Why does Nigeria fear referendum on who wants to be a Nigerian?

The comments below answers you

Nairanation2:
Are our Igbo brothers aware that this war was completely needless & avoidable had Nnamdi Azikwe through his Eastern Nigeria party NCNC not thwarted d much fought & debated 'right to secession clause' championed by Awolowo's The Action Group. This was to be part of d Constitution then. Azikwe formed an alliance with d North through the Northern party, the Northern People's Congress this clause never saw d light of d day. In d end, who suffered? There's Karma. The Igbos inadvertently played themselves.

Morphinne:
Apologize to you for a war you started? Ojukwu should be the one to apologize for foolishly leading your blind fathers into a war they were never going to win.
What were they thinking when they killed one of the brightest minds the northern Nigeria had ever produced, sir Abubakar Tafawa Balewa, Ahmadu Bello, Chief Samuel Ladoke Akintola and 19 others while sparing their own people in power at the time?
They even installed an Igbo man to be the head of government yet these set of vile people keep playing the victim cards on us.
The Igbo race owes the Southwesterners, the South-south people as well the Northerners an apology for killing their sons and revered leaders in the event that marked the first ever bloodshed disguised to be a political struggle. You can’t keep claiming to be victims when indeed, you started the madness but got yourselves whipped and tamed and reduced to dots in a circle ever since. Pls swallow your L in peace and move on. Nigerians too deserve a profound apology from you pigs.

Awoniyi and other Nigerian players need to learn to celebrate with their teammates when they score..

ZombieSlayer1:
I want to ask questions concerning the rubbish going on in Nairaland

Why does it seem like the Yorubas and Igbos are the only tribes who are always squabbling here?

Why does it seem like the Yorubas bear animosity towards the Igbos but the other tribes don't?

Why is it that on any thread concerning a crime involving an Igbo man or Igbo land, the Yorubas will take over the entire front page castigating the entire Igbo tribe but you hardly see same on threads concerning Yorubas?

The Yorubas are the only tribe I've seen here who wish the total decimation of any other tribe, why is it so? I've not seen any Northern leader threaten to throw people from other tribes into the lagoon.
What's really going on here

OdefaGirl:
But this goes a long way to affect the mentality of so many here who takes things serious. It's psychological

julybaba:
You have not observe correctly. Be patient, and observe again. The hatred is mutual but not justified.

Don't take it to heart, social media is different from real world.
We are all children of Adam

MansoryMX:
Both tribes dey drag one particular Toto. I don’t know what else could make them exhibit stupidity in public forum all the time. Two set of stupid and foolish people

zombieslayer1.. it is i:gbos that bear animosity towards Yorubas. Yorubas have only recently started responding to them

in the 1960s , Nzeogwu exhibited such behaviors towards Yorubas.

below ( gotten from wi:ki ):

"According to a Nigerian Police Special Branch Report, Nzeogwu executed at least 4 army and police security personnel including one of the men on his team (Sergeant Daramola Oyegoke). nzeogwu also participated in the execution of Col. Raph Shodeinde, his superior officer at the Nigerian Military Training College and is reported to have shot indiscriminately at fleeing women and children.."..

the statement above shows pure hatred for Yorubas and a lot of igbos all have this similar behavior towards Yorubas and this was in the 1960s..

Just yesterday, there was a post about q:ueen of e:ngland staying in a castle in Ijebu and the first thing that came to the mind of an Igbo commenter was that the man is a beneficiary of slave trade despite the thread clearly say the man was an industrialist..

so don't mind julybaba, its not only on social media and from the comment above , it is the same I:gbo animosity towards the Yorubas that lead to the coup which also led to the civil war...

Although, its not described like this but in my opinion, the civil war was an Igbo vs Yoruba with Igbos trying to overrun the SW...

dinkyicon:
"If slavery was already part of Africa then E:uropeans would never ever have been able to colonize Africa because Africans" wtf bro to be sincere your point is lame... Can you read and re read again.

when people fight wars they get more hardened mentally and create more weapons and a bigger army..

if slavery was already part of Africa then Africans would have fought more wars amongst themselves and be more hardened and create more weapons which would have prevented e:uropeans from trying to fight any African nation because all of the African nations would be war-ready...

Lifestone:
Is this a revisionist theory or what? Pick the Era of the Old Oyo empire that went as far back as 1300, slavery has been enthrenched wars were prosecuted to capture slaves for farming and fight more wars. Your argument is not supported by any shred of History. Please go and read and do not use imagination.

Its not a revisionist theory... its the truth...

look at the first page of this thread a user named bergs2 commented "These are the few that benefited from slave trade. Mind you! Africans sold Africans", If Odutola was from his ethnicity he would never ever had said such a thing because he is someone that believes no African can be wealthy legally...

If someone like bergs2 decides to write history on the Yorubas do you think he will write anything good about Yorubas

even you yourself are forgetting that Africans grew their own food, so at least 90% of Africans had knowledge of farming and agriculture but you claim Africans captured other Africans for farming and fighting more wars which is wrong because most Africans in that era had at least 4 - 13 children from one wife not to mention the other children they would have with their other wives and girlfriends..

To you what the whyte man wrote about Africa and Africans is your truth... but for me, what the whyte man wrote is nonsense and is only supported by their own version of history which you have swallowed...

Lifestone:
This your argument is lame, you are obviously not a student of history otherwise you would have read about the brutal wars that Europeans fought among themselves for the purpose of dominance. Guns and explosives were invented to prosecute wars and already in use in Europe before they discovered most of the new world including most Africa countries. You also forgot that slavery was already part of our ways of life before the advent of the white people and only made international trade. It took the UK lots of efforts and resources to put an end to slave trade. Maybe you should know that it was the disagreement to free slaves that led to America Civil war

Lannister360 said something similar before your first comma so I will say what I said to him...

my point is not lame.. its difficult for you to accept my point.

If slavery was already part of Africa then E:uropeans would never ever have been able to colonize Africa because Africans would have developed weapons they won't be able to match.. Africans never fought or enslaved each other, Africans were too peaceful that's why they agreed to colonialism.. If a group of armed men storm your house right now are you ready to match them weapons for weapons or will you runaway from your house

Black Americans were enslaved in 1600s while Africans were fighting the E:uropeans until the early 1900s... If Africans truly sold black americans into slavery then all of Africa would have been colonized since the 1600s and not the early 1900s..

what you call colonialism is actually a peace agreement between African countries and E:uropeans to stop Africans from constantly fighting the E:uropeans.. If Africans were colonialized then Africans would have lost their indigenous languages completely the same way black Americans lost their languages..

Lannister360:
Lol, your sentences are incomprehensible, it's difficult to understand your point. If you can't communicate properly in English, use pidgen. Nobody will fault you for using pidgin to pass your message, after all English is not our language, it was only forced on us.

its not difficult to understand my point...

Its difficult for you to accept my point...

LienwaltAbel:
ndoo.

I wanted to quote your ignorance but I refrained so since you've quoted me, I will quote you under the comment I originally wanted to you..

seanwilliam:
were you there?? can you prove it? If you can’t shut up!

why else will twins die if they weren't dying at child birth

Killing is m:urder, If people killed twins they would have been arrested by the security agencies...

its common sense..

if you kill your child, will your relatives keep quiet or will they report you to the security agencies

MonsieurX:
So Mary Slessor didn't stop killing of twins in any part of Nigeria? I guess I am just lying then.

Mary Slessor didn't stop anything...

caracas:
Oga you yourself should get proper knowledge of what you type before typing….
There’s also a big difference between colonialism and missionary works… Africans benefited from the missionaries not colonialism.
Christianity and education were introduced to Africans by the missionaries not the colonial masters

your ignorance is unbelievable...

the colonialists used religion ( christianity ) to enslave Africans...

Africans already had their own education because Africans had their own indigenous languages...

Colonialists used their religion and education to ensure generations of unborn Africans continue to be enslaved even without them ( colonialists ) been present that is why in your head you have created a good version of the colonialists which you call "missionaries" and a bad version which you call "colonialists" no one forced you to create a good version or bad version you just did it on your own because the education you got came from them...

you're mentally enslaved..

foreign education and religion was created to create people like you ( people who will defend their enslavers without knowing it.)

pocohantas:
I can’t see the need for the hullabaloo. Africans were not entirely innocent in this supposed slave trade. We were actively selling ourselves.

I am indifferent to her death and her general existence. The reason some of us can survive Buhari is because these same colonial masters gave us a chance in modern times. If they give us small dosage of this market we want to buy, we would remember racism.

LienwaltAbel:
Wetin this one dey talk? . Name one moment throughout history that a bigger empire or nation simply went somewhere to teach the people instead of kill, rape and colonise. It happened in Africa, Europe, Asia and Australia.

And do you know that Tuberculosis, Cholera, Typhoid, Meningitis, Yellow Fever, Measles, Smallpox and other small diseases were incurable a long time ago and always ended in death? Hell, even malaria that you clear in three days was incurable at a time. Infections could end people too. Make una dey read na.

Lifestone:
Thanks to her kingdom that fought the whole world to put and end to our parents selling themselves as slaves. UK ship blockage on Atlantic fastracked end to slave trade on the continent. They did well

drezzyx:
People working for him would be the slaves he purchased.
Working for free and making more money for himself.

Olorunjueda:
Yeah, that's what most people don't understand. Today I still believe that we caused everything.

Before they came, there were inter tribal wars probably because of land. Africans were fighting each other and keeping captives as slaves.

When the English settlers came, they started selling the captives in exchange for things like mirrors and guns.

Can you imagine, it got to a stage, the Africans dumped gold trade and started kidnapping people and selling them as slaves. Leaders were bribed and they started selling slaves.

I even read that there was a time slave trade was the major commodity for European trade. They destroyed our religion and converted many to christianity. What baffles me is that most of the English settlers were Christians.

The Europeans have done more harm than good. What they did to us is even better, read about the Native Americans, these people were living in America before Christopher Colomubus came.
Europeans owe the world an apology.

Lannister360:
You don't know this people
They are very smart and calculative
Ghana: Ashanti empire, Nigeria: Oyo empire, Benin Republic: kingdom of Dahomey

These where some of the kingdoms that participated in the slave trade.
What the whites did was that, if they come to you and you refuse to sell slaves to them, they will go to the next kingdom and buy slaves and exchange it with guns.

As a result, those other kingdoms become more powerful than the ones that refuse to sell slaves

So in other to stay strong(having guns) you have to sell slaves otherwise your neighboring kingdoms will be stronger than you and may one day invade.

That was the technique they used.

bergs2:
I was never even referring to the house.
I am only stating the obvious:
More than 90% of our early billionaires were the direct beneficiaries including our own Odumegwu Ojukwu

Is it the same whyte people that shooting black americans in 2022 out of hatred that will trade with Africans ( black people ) between 1600s and 1800s do you know how foolish that sounds...

you, Lannister360 and MonsieurX are filled with ignorance...

In that era, the moment a whyte person sees an African the first thought that will come to the whyte ( e:uropeans ) person's mind is to kill that African not to talk of Empires and Kingdoms filled with Africans they would have burnt such Empires and Kingdoms to the ground and killed every single African but they didn't have the population to do such so they resorted to " they sold slaves " mantra...

In South Africa, the e:uropeans specifically created what you call a machine gun today just to kill the indigenous South Africans..

I am 100% sure you and MonsieurX don't even know that the machine gun was created just to kill Africans quicker..

seanwilliam:
i Had to screenshot your post for future reference, God bless you

MonsieurX posts is wrong... screenshot it at your peril.. that post is full of ignorance.. Africans have always celebrated twins and even have indigenous names for twins long before the e:uropeans set foot on Africa..

A part of Nigeria ( Calabar and Akwa Ibom ) couldn't successfully separate twins at birth and most of them died but history writes it that they twins were been killed when the truth is that most twins born in Calabar and Akwa-ibom were dying at child birth.

anonimi:
So why are so many Yorubas slaving away voluntarily in Britain instead of making Lagos and other Yoruba cities as good as London and other British cities?
Yorubas slaving voluntarily, unlike the ones we raided, captured and sold to Arabs and whites for pittance?

Yorubas are working in Britain because Ironsi, Azikwe and Ojukwu were so jealous and envious of Yoruba people like Odutola they decided to abolish regionalism and centralize the wealth of all the regions which led to the destruction of wealth distribution among southern Nigerians which is also one of the reasons your fellow I:gbos are dealing drugs and doing armed robbery and cultism outside Nigeria..

ceejayluv:
That guy clearly doesn't know shit about the transatlantic slave trade. Not even the timeline for abolishment. Blame our history-less school curriculum.

ElSudani:
Odutola sold slaves? LWKMD

No he didn't, he was an industrialist.

kingthreat:
True but you have no proof that that house was built from slave trade.

madridguy:
History Clerk in government Treasury, 1921; Native Authority, Ijebu-Ode, 1921; member, Legislative Council, 1945-59; member, defunct Western House of Assembly, 1945-59; member. Federal House of Representatives, 1952-54; Senator of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, 1960-64; director of the Central Bank and the Nigerian Industrial Development Bank. president of the Manufacturers Association of Nigeria, chairman of the Nigerian Stock Exchange.

Na late Chief Odutola record be that. No be everybody be slave merchant.

OneEyedSnake:
You must be an OSU

Someone that was born in 1902 and whose business's profile has been listed for you to read and you still went on to call him a slave trader?

kay29000:
Slave trade was abolished before they gave birth to this man... How could he have benefited from slave trade?

Segzy19:
Nonsense! Odutola never benefittes fr slave trade. He was never a slave merchant. Stop your bigotry and hate.... You read his story up there yet you skill decided to spread lies to the ones who liked your comments... You got the likes on lies, and you are now happy

kay29000:
Slave trade was abolished before they gave birth to this man... How could he have benefited from slave trade?

this comment below describes the average i:gbo envy of Yorubas..

Dapson73:
You must be an ipob sympathiser.

Always jealous of Yoruba superiority

michaelandre:
This was supposed to be a peaceful thread that celebrates the ijebu billionaires/people. But immediately it was open the children of hate, bitterness and envy infested it as usual to bring it down. They hate to see or hear anything good about Yorubas! They don't shock me anymore

pongwa:
he only played the script of the colonizers

faste:
You nail it,bigots in this forum would not reason...the british masterminded the coup to disrupt our development.

2elliot:
If the military, today, decides to wipe out the current crop of corrupt politicians, you will still blame the Igbo man and would say that they were saint. In your myopic mind, you think that regionalism would have been better than what it is obtained now. But because you lack history and even how the psychic of the black man works, you think that Nigeria would have been an eldorado, an heaven on earth. But believe me, it would have been worse. Far worse than it is obtained. Because the black man is a curse upon himself. He will always find a reason to be lawless and unproductive. It is not the Igbo man that has kept every black African nation on earth to be unproductive.
Regionalism was already showing symptoms of failure when regional politicians were beginning to be greedy and thuggish. The Akintoyes and the Awolowos of that time were starting brute and senseless politics(remember the wild wild west). Power was already getting into the heads of regional politicians, and it was only a matter of time before it would have exploded. In fact, dissolving regionalism helped to destroy those who would have made the power and resources of their regions their private properties.
Stop being an slowpoke. If you love regionalism so much, why don't you fight for it? Azikiwe has come and gone, and now you have that chance to make history by fighting to bring back regionalism.

obyno82:
Dude he centralized the civil service only let us stop twisting history. Many of us do not know why our resources are shared from the center. The reason is simple during the war the massive oil reserves in the Niger Delta which a bulk of it was in the Eastern Region was a worry to Gowon and so in a bid to reduce the influence of Ojukwu in collecting Oil royalties from Shell. Gowon instructed Oil companies to relocate their HQs from the Niger Delta to Lagos and ensure that all Oil Royalties are paid to the FG. He didn't change the structure after the civil war, and the arrangement still continued and subsequent administrations continued with this arrangement till now. The blame rests on Gowon he was young and naive, he didn't understand the administration of the Nigerian state.

bibe:
For those saying he abolished regional government, that's false. You have to put it into proper context. There was a breakdown in government/law and order following Awolowos incaseration for treason which led to the first coup. The first coup left a vacuum in leadership in the West, mid-west and North and to stabilize polity he centered the government but still appointed leadership from the West North, Midwest and East as regional administrators.
Basically, the regions still existed and had resource control. He didn't abrogate resource to the center.

His handling of the coup plotters leaves a lot to be desired but you cannot in all honesty criticize his handling of the remaining issues. If Bringing government to the center wasn't the right thing to do at the time, why didn't the counter coup plotters decentralize it? But they went even further by abolishing the regional government which he still left and went further to abrogate resources to the center thus truncating resource control. For that, blame Gowon and his enablers!

Truthdeypain:
Normally! The bastards are never getting away all the propaganda and lies they keep telling themselves over the years about the GENOCIDE. Them go continue they gaslight themselves. The IGBOS know their history and it's out there for anyone with a common sense and eyes to see.

Yorubas should keep deceiving themselves, same with Northerners. "Igbos are the cause of the civil war, they should suffer some more" "Chief Awolowo should have sacrificed more of those useless kwashiokor Biafran babies, by extending the blockade" "3.5 million biafrans was too little, the GENOCIDE should have been finished once and for all". "Useless IGBOS crying after loosing a war what did they expect hugs and kisses" . All these hate speeches and the most insensitivity is a tip of the gross wickedness and hatred these folks possess in their souls.

Till tomorrow not one single yoruba soul anywhere in the world has the decency or integrity to admit, not stand up for IGBO ni nioo ( that's practically impossible for fear of being called Omo Ale) , just admit a simple truth that the latter methods adopted in the war by the most heartless and evil "Chief Awolowo" who is basically worshipped and venerated by the yoruba race obviously for spearheading the most infamous blockade that starved millions of biafrans to death was a terrible act or was not good. Not one yoruba man can admit that this man did something bad in the eyes of God and men. I have searched the corners of this earth, if you have seen one show me.

We sabi say no be today IGBOPHOBIA start. For all their efforts to bury the SUN, it always keeps rising in their effing faces. We know our history and so will my kids and their kids after them. If you like eat the corpse of your suicidal Patron, venerate him to the high heavens, song hymns and praises to him. Evil and hate filled hypocrites! He will forever be known for what he is, Which is a suicidal, baby killing, envious, IGBO hating coward, who could not meet soldiers in the field even though they outgunned and outmanned them in every way possible, none is more evil than that guy. "All is fair in war" definitely the extermination of the third largest tribe in Nigeria. If it were not for maybe the cries of the foreign media and red cross these people would have poisoned the waters of biafra, even used chemical weapons if they knew how to. People who were forced to self preservation after being deliberately and regimentallly massacred and murdered in a series of POGROMS sponsored by the Nigerian state.

One thing that even us IGBOS don't know is that beyond our extreme bravery and ingenuity we have God to thank, I am sure I wouldn't be here typing if my grandmother had died during the war she was pregnant when it began and basically lost most of my uncles during the war, oldest was around 14 she was carrying my dad and later birthed him in the midst of debris, dead bodies and shrapnels. how they survived till date is still a mystery.

You people should keep masturbating on the Biafran war and wishing that the igbo was wiped off. I wish there truly was God some of you deserve the hottest part of hell. Because of self guilt and fear, the bastards had sworn that IGBO will never be president , they know the evil they have done, the fear of what we may do in retaliation freaks the whole nation, even when IGBOS have moved on and obviously are not the vindictive type, a fact I absolutely hate.

Long live IGBO the greatest tribe of Africa. May the sun continue to rise and prove that who God has blessed no man can curse!

hammer567:
LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING, IT WAS NOT AN IGBO COUP, HOWEVER THEIR ANNOUNCE WAS MANY IGBO LEADERS DID NOT DIE IN THE COUP, AS WAS THE CASE UP NORTH .



THEN AGAIN, THE NORTH WAS A LEGITIMATE TARGET, THEY WERE SELLING OUR INDEPENDENCE TO BRITAIN.



JUST LIKE BUHARI CRASH THE NAIRA TO 700 FOR 1DOLLAR FROM 100 IN 8 YERAS.


YEAH, WE WANTED THIS FOOL DEAD.

Christistruth00:
The British left 3 Autonomous Regions the North the West and the East

With their own Laws and Government

It was Gen Ironsi who believed his own unitary System where everything would be under him was better in 1966

Till today his People are not happy with it especially after the North got their hands on Power

and fell in love with Ironsi’s unitary System that gave them all control of Nigeria

Can you blame them?

The North wouldn’t have built Abuja without that Power

the below comments answers the unification done by Ironsi which was supported by Azikwe and Ojukwu until Ironsi was killed and no longer in power...

juman:
Igbos planned to re colonize Nigerians but failed.
They thought Nigerians are fools.

Igbos think in strange ways.

ADAMUdaCOWBOY:
I asked you to read and you are lazily asking me a stupid question. Ok I will answer. After independence, we were practicing a parliamentary system of government, very similar to the Westminster system practiced by the UK where power is decentralised and the regions were powerful. Ironsi came with his oversabi and "unified" Nigeria, making it a republic, insisting that appointments and promotion will strictly be on the basis of merit. Ironsi did not do that because he gave a fuçk about merit, he just knew igbos who had a majority in the civil service will dominate everyone. The northerners resisted the move knowing well how they will suffer under Igbo dominance but for where! Ironsi said we must dominate you. That, in summary is the story of how decree 34 came to be. When later on (not quite long after then), it was the turn of the igbos to shout "araba", for where! Aboki said we love you and we must stay in the marriage. And here we are.

lailo:
u can imagine Zik becoming western premier when the east is there and Awolowo and co are in the west. What the east can never take

I:gbos don't see anything wrong with it...

they will say that is why we are all "Nigerians" and that he merits that all the Yoruba candidates are corrupt...

baralatie:
I don't know why some are not getting it
The parliamentary and regional status was desolved and a unitary government installed with decree.
People are just looking for excuse lorisi risi

Ilaje1:
Mumu plenty for here. Obfuscating facts region with states. Before Ironsi, each region was independent hence they had their premiers. But Ironsi instituted Unitary government by appointing Governors who are answerable to him, they are not independent anymore. Hence central govt decides everything. That's the unitary they are talking about. You can have more states while in federalism. Some people are just closed minded that it is affecting their reasons faculty.

cyrilamx:
Oga stop attempting to rewrite history or deflate the evil the Ironsi govt did with such unification decree 34 of 1966. With an open mind whether u called it individual actions or not, a particular region not only ended the first republic but also destroyed our True federalism. That twin actions of 1966 got us to this pains.
https://guardian.ng/opinion/history-and-the-future-of-decree-34-of-1966/

the below comment provides an answer to your " I don't know why some ( I:gbos ) are not getting it " statement.

richie240:
Even till today the average Igbo man has not changed.
They always have two sets of judgments even for d same offence. Their jugement is determined by who's involved.

Na DNA tinz.
#follow_come_syndrome

BascoVanVeli:
Even Phil Foden had Halaand open and scored his goal

fabyom will say it's not similar

fabyom:
None were similar! Oshimen run was diagonal with an on rushing goalkeeper and a free teammate. He made the right decision. I rest my case!

Kyle walker Peter's goal was similar.

RB salburg goal was also similar but left side of the pitch.