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RSAMAN: self mugging of the highest order.

mekula: pls show me where I stated the bolded!

mekula: God bless u for the bolded. So on point bro! Kool G rap and pun have been on all that since before em. I love and respect Em, but coogar is not gonna stop arguing because s/he is obsessed with him...and u know what obsession does to reason.

nateevs: Exactly. Like:

Me? I'm a product of Rakim
Lakim Shabazz, 2Pac N.W.A Cube, hey, Doc, Ren
Yella, Eazy, thank you, they got Slim

It's revolutionary. This does not rhyme on paper. . . but em finds a rhyme in them. I've put the main rhyme in bold black and the internal rhymes in red. It takesa higher level of rap intelligence to make this up.

You cannot make up the rhymes by looking at the lyrics without listening to the rap. That's the artistry the Em conveys.

PhysicsQED: Coogar, you say you've heard "every relevant rap album" (I know you don't mean this exactly literally - no one person has heard every relevant album in any genre of music), but if you haven't heard "4,5,6" by Kool G. Rap, I don't think you can really assess whether or not people who rap the way he did in the past would be "laughed at" today. I doubt that you've listened to that album if you could make that comment.

And basically, what I disagree with is this idea that Eminem pioneered some supposedly unheard-of aspect of rap: multisyllabic rhyming or internal rhyming. Nor do I think that he took that aspect of rap to some new level that hadn't been done before. I think that's completely untrue. Take Big Pun’s line from “Twinz” off of his debut album: “Dead in the middle of Little Italy, little did we know that we riddled some middle men who didn’t do diddly”. That’s an example of exactly the kind of internal rhyming that you’re praising Eminem for (and claiming is somehow exclusive to him), yet for some reason you won’t admit that this style of rapping emerged during the “golden era” of rap, that it was used by multiple other rappers (like Pun in a few lines on “Twinz” and on multiple lines in songs like ‘Dream Shatterer’), you seem to be downplaying the fact that Rakim (more or less, there may have been one or two before him) pretty much created/established that aspect of rap and you seem to be giving Eminem undue credit for it.

A few examples of internal rhyming from the originator himself: (1) the song “Lyrics of Fury” (1988) in its entirety, but especially the 2nd verse, (2) the song “R.A.K.I.M.” (2002) by Rakim, especially the 1st verse, and (3) Rakim's verse on the song "Streets of New York."

Also, Nas’s verse on “Life’s a B1tch” from his first album contains internal rhyming throughout the entire verse. And then there’s “Memory Lane.” More examples of multisyllabic rhyming/internal rhymes: Chino XL’s verse on the song “Beastin,” Mos Def's verse on "Twice inna Lifetime" (1998) and all his verses on "Definition" (also 1998), Big Pun's verses on "Super Lyrical", Black Thought's verses on The Roots' "Concerto of the Desperado" (1996), Big L's verse on "Dangerzone" (from the Children of the Corn album), etc.

I watched that video you posted, and I'm telling you that there’s nothing about that kind of rapping which is somehow exclusive to Eminem and I don't see how you don't see that. He didn't do something that hasn't already been done by rapping like that.

mgbeketoto: Never!
Those ones are even THE WORST!
Lost and AKATARIZED!
I have many as cousins.
Like you, they sleep ALL DAY, then invade the cyber airways ALL NIGHT from thread to thread insulting people.

The reason I bundled ALL MINE HOME TO NIGERIA TO ROAST IN BOARDING HOUSES WITHOUT LIGHT ! Before they dream of being AMERICANS, they will be NIGERIANS FIRST!
Just like me!

mgbeketoto: A royal pain in the adds!
I can NOT get married to an EASTERNER OR WESTERNERS!
Tufiakwa to infinity!
I just can't tolerate their culture of primitive mindsets!
I will be forced to commit MURDER I swear!

nateevs: Absolutely. Mono syllabic rhymes.
I have known em to modify phrasal delivery for the sake of a rhyme.
Em spits 60-70 bars on the last verse of Rap God. Immense ability, artistry, rap intelligence and delivery beyond rappers' comprehension.

I think we need to begin to take lyrics and the techniques apart on here to really pass on the message. Then again, if you have to do that to pass the message, you are talking to the wrong audience.

nateevs: It might be controversial but I refuse to see how Tupac is regarded as GOAT if those attributes qualify one. Storytelling, Lyricism Tupac will come very close. However, rhymes, word play, flow, battle rap, rhyme scheme, rhyme intelligence, metaphorical play, extended metaphorical play, abeg Tupac will not come close.

I fail to find any references that talk about the latter techniques and exemplifies Tupac. When you think about those latter techniques though, you think Em.

PhysicsQED: Coogar, are you trolling, or this a serious question?

How much rap from the (so-called) "golden era" of rap (1987-1999) have you actually listened to? Pun? Rakim? Kool G. Rap? Nas? Black Thought? Pharoahe Monch?

And I'm not a Canibus fan, but he has more than a few tracks that are more impressive lyrically than "Rap God." Then there are other less mainstream rappers like Chino XL, Crooked I, etc. who also have lyrically complex songs.

And what's so impressive about the song (Rap God) anyway? Is it the part where he pays homage to J.J. Fad's "Supersonic"?

lynk106: dumb dumb dumb of you. pls do tell me how many men... oops I mean geniuses perished to save the imb.ecile women and children. rubbish

Do you actually believe that any woman in her right mind will want to go back to live in 1912? Titanic ko, Noah's ark ni. Women and children are actually MORE likely to die on sinking ships.
http://arstechnica.com/science/2012/07/forget-titanic-women-and-children-rarely-first-off-sinking-ships/

This is one of the befuddling things about sexism (and even racism) is this use of the rare events (sometimes myths) to justify the status quo. It's like reading narratives of the "benevolent slave master" over again.

feminism has existed since the beginning of time. Just because a word wasn't coined doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The aspect of women's rights related to voting was called "women's suffrage" and it began as far back as 1700s in modern history. France was where it originated after the french revolution that declared that all men were equal (obviously excluding women).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_the_Rights_of_Woman_and_the_Female_Citizen

In the USA, it began around 1840 and it was tied to the slave abolition movement which is interesting because in the 60s, the civil rights movement and feminist movement also happened at the same time. Of course, there were also many men who were sympathetic to women's rights movement. In fact, it is a necessity. At the end of the day it's a mindset issue. The politics is the easy part. The psychology and sexist mindset is the hardest part to change and most destructive.

yes, your sexist mindset stinks.

lynk106: can you provide a link? because that's the dumbest thing I've heard, if I ever heard one.
So, how then do you define a career man?
rubbish.

A career woman is a woman who has a career. period.

here you go:
they are more likely to get married and less likely to get divorced. The statistics are reversed. The New York Times article is very eye-opening because it show that a lot of the drawbacks for career/educated women simply came from sexist views held by men. in the 50s and 60s, educated and career women WERE less likely to get married but in recent times, men no longer are threatened by successful and educated women. They are now starting to see women in equal terms rather than as subordinates. Although we still have a ways to go.ex maternity leave policies etc. I am speaking for the USA. not naija LOL

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/12/opinion/sunday/marriage-suits-educated-women.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
http://www.today.com/money/marriage-luxury-good-class-divide-who-gets-married-divorced-8C11457474

because all men aren't the same. what TYPE of man are you talking about?

For example, to me, I believe that men with inflated egos should avoid career women (or educated women, PERIOD). Men who were raised to believe that women should be subordinate or inferior to men should not even think about it.
On the other hand, a man who was raised in a family or culture that sees women as equally important and capable of being a source of financial income will have no problem.

“The doctor used to marry the nurse. Today, the doctor marries the doctor,”
http://www.today.com/money/marriage-luxury-good-class-divide-who-gets-married-divorced-8C11457474

RSAMAN: imm tech, canibus never come any close to this level and how dare you mention lil wayne and kanye west in the same breath as R.A? Goes to show you haven't listened RA. The bolded: what did you think i was talking about when i said RA is dope? Like i said i could name 50 rappers that could give eminem a run for his money. So much for a rap god.

PS: saying imm tech and canibus are elementary and their lyrics lack any substance is ignorance of the highest oder.

RSAMAN: stay wide awake, i remember this being the only good song on relapse but ain't as spectecular as you make it out to be. Hell yeah Pun did it in the mid 90s. Basic rapping? Name any other rapper that did it. Only pun himself could pull that off. I don't remember listening to a rapper and asking myself: ''oh... How does he breathe?''. RA is the man.

RSAMAN: He isn't. I can name 50 rappers that would give eminem a run for his money. For instance, i dare you to imagine any recent verse by eminem that could come even close to this verse

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Eminem hasn't been on this level since 2004. I dare anyone to tell me any verse by eminem that could come any close to that.

bebe2: pls we need to explore dat concept. slept in ur bed doesnt mean u hit it.

kulyie: coogar bothers more on an egocentric,sometimes mischevious and sarcastic personality with a lot of chauvenistic ideals,sagamite,is the same with coogar but not as much as coogar's own

Nelly Ghenghen: Why? because its a white man's world!! white man say something is good and we conform! same way they are making justin bieber look extraordinary meanwhile the guy dey sing nonsense, same way they made michael jackson change his skin color cos they couldn't bare the fact that a black-man was the king of pop. Eminem is a good rapper but god of rap?? helllll to the NO!!! does he have flows like Tupac, kendrick lamar? does he have punchlines like kanye west, Nas? even lil wayne!!!wtf?

735 i: Are you a learner?
I said she was a "take away".
Please what do you do with "take away" when you get to your house?

Mee234: if u laid bare both rappers lyrics side by side, Nas will come on top.

eGuerrilla: Are you suggesting Ra never battled other Mcees during his time? Ask Biz Markie, a comrade-in-arms, if in doubt
Do you know what it means to lay down 18 bars on a track, while cutting your teeth much earlier on in the game?

I am beginning to wonder why I am debating Ra's place in the hall of fame, when I actually rank Naz ahead of eminem also.

By the way, your analogy about my primary school teacher would only be relevant if she's remained trapped in a time capsule. As Rakim clearly hasn't, it is rather misplaced here.

For the avoidance of doubt, eminem's lyrical prowess is indisputable. What I quibble, however, is any opinion that ranks him ahead of those who not only trail-blazed the game but have continued to conquer new frontiers, across a generational gap.

Mee234: Nas may not have as commercial sucess as Em, but he(Nas) is head over shoulder above eminem

eGuerrilla: The difference between both rappers lies with the fact that one is the complete embodiment of all its entails while the other symbolises commercial success.
Do you know how many times eminem has sampled Ra?

JulianBond007: Gbam! That's the koko of the matter. As long as Eminem isn't black, his music is nothing to black people. Only the whites take him serious.

ochon: LOL. Seriously, I thought you and coogar were joking when you guys say blacks hates EM cos he's a white and don't want to admit he's good. This is the first time I'm hearing it and that girl's post is proving you right.

How's rap meant for blacks only?. Music is meant for all skin colour, all race and tribe. This is appalling menh!!

njokusboy: LO L, there is really n o point arguing with you , am i white? Lemme educate You, Eminem is more black Than white, He grew up in Detroit and all The friends he ever had are black, the white community do not even like him because of his misogynistic nature and his aversion to gays... he is the first rapper to win an academy award, except you want to tell me dat he did it because he was white... he dd not even attend the ceremony because he didnt think he would win, he has as much street cred as any black rapper from the hood... if you are still in doubt, watch 8 miles

Aphrodite4: I agree 100%.. Cold blooded murder..

eGuerrilla: Any opinion on this issue is ultimately subjective - this is why I default to the opinions of other rappers in the game.
Records sales is not necessarily the best measure either.

I will be back later.

Aphrodite4: OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVEN'T LISTENED TO THE TRACK, "RENEGADE".. Don't worry, it's not your fault I understand..

njokusboy: The problem is that black folks are not too willing to admit That a white dude is beating them in in their own game.person way Sabi don sabi i stop beefing him <o s he is white

eGuerrilla: It is to his credit that Ra never shied away from acknowledging eminem's contribution

The truth is, despite what fans like you think - and I am not suggesting your opinion does not matter - industry insiders still consider Ra #1.

alutacontinua: Well, if it is a cycle, someone has to start it. Guess that would be whoever makes the first move. Nd whoever breaks the cycle should be responsible for whatever doom comes on that relationship.

Sometimes, the best way to make demands is to throw in some quota yourself! You don't expect to stop loving and expect submission in return!