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Wilgrea7:
I don't deal on beliefs. If I don't know something.. I'm honest enough to say that I don't know.
That being said.. i never claimed that the universe appeared randomly. I'd like to know how the universe came to be... and why.. but anyone providing answers need to do so with proof

What kind of proof? A CCTV footage?

Wilgrea7:
That doesn't really answer the question. Fulfilling promises is a good thing. But I don't think that counts as proof of being able to create the universe. If you want to make a case for your God being the creator, you'll need to do a little better than that

I know you're not so foolish to believe that the universe appeared randomly without a mastermind.

Wilgrea7:
I'm sorry.. but i need to get this straight.

Your claim that the God of the Jews is the creator of universe.. is a bible quote written down by a person who claimed that specific God said that..
And not just that ... But you also believe that the God in question is the right one because he made a promise which he has obviously not fulfilled??
I fail to see the logic here

He's fulfilled many promises already and also many prophecies has been fulfilled. So I trust he will fulfill the rest of his promise at his chosen time.

kingxsamz:
Keep shut.
You have no argument.

Okay

FOLYKAZE:
It indeed stated the Exodus lacks historical evidences both from the premises of archaeology and contemporary historical documents. It is therefore logical to conclude with scholars that the Exodus is fairy tale

Lol. Where are the contemporary historical documents?
And why would the contemporary documents contain history about the Israelites?

The Jews believe that Abraham is their ancestor and the book of exodus contain their history.

Wilgrea7:
I'm curious... How did you arrive at the conclusion that the creator of the universe is the God of the Jews

Genesis 18:18
[18]“For Abraham will certainly become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth will be blessed through him.

He's the only God that has mankind as a whole in mind. He's promised to restore peace to earth and everything to perfection and I believe he's gonna do it.

Mutant001:
mumu!!!
I already knew you were dumb from the onset
Go back to school and study english language
I swear you are a buffoon

Thanks for the compliment Miss smart.

kingxsamz:

Your clownery has been revealed.
I thought you were smart. Not so smart to argue logically I see.
Creator ko. Creator that only exists in a fictional story book. Goodnight abeg.

Lol. You think say I get your time.
Una go dé shout logic up and down.

I know that the creator of this universe is the God of the Jews and he's powerful to do anything.

Mutant001:
the case of the blind leading the blind two of you will fall inside the soak-away pit

Hahaha wicked athiest girl

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Oh yeah - we are both communicating.. that's man.. our culture today is leaps and bounds greater than the culture of the Bible, even the so called 'New' testament.. I'm sure you would want to live in that world... Just take care of farm, scratch balls, and sleep.

No one says you should follow any culture na.
The new testament didn't say you should copy the culture of the ancient Jews.

Our nation has contributed very little to the development of modern science, modern engineering, or modern medicine. All we have are prayer warriors and ethnic jingoists.

That's a good observation but it has nothing to do with Christianity or the Bible.

So I understand why you think humans fail. We haven't even figured out how to keep a light bulb on permanently. But other humans solve problems l, you know, explore the full imaginative possibiltites of the mind within.

What's your point here exactly?
Are you comparing Nigeria to other developed countries?

I agree with you. It ain't a failed prophecy. It's a broken promise. Imagine... No date... So you can wait forever... It could always happen tomorrow abi?

Yes of course but it is not a broken promise.

Are you speaking on behalf of the Jews? Cos I don't see no Jews waiting for no Jesus.. in fact, Dem treat im fuckup well. Beat am, hang am for cross, forget about am.... There are more Christians on my street than there are in Israel. Una wey no kill am, na una dey wait for am reach 2000 years and counting.... Small shame sef no dey body

Do you believe he came and was killed by the Jews?

FOLYKAZE:
Below is from the Jewish website....
The exodus is fairy tale

How does that website prove that the records in the book of exodus written some thousands years ago were fairy tales?

Wilgrea7:
I didn't say I never got answers... Actually I got a lot of answers.. and i compared them with each other... My deconversion wasn't a case of unanswered questions.
Like I said earlier.. i looked at things from multiple perspectives.. and not just the Christian one. So if i ask a question.. I'm not asking just the Christians.. I'm asking the Muslims.. Buddhists.. spiritualists.. scientists and so on

So why are you in this religion thread?

sonmvayina:
Christianity is idolatry..
What God gave to mankind is laws to enable us live in peace..

Okay

FOLYKAZE:
Hahahaha
True stories like the Vampire movies

Do the Israelites claim the same thing?
It's probably an athiest like you that wrote that article you screenshot.

MaxInDHouse:
In a nutshell the ancestors LIED yet she wants to follow their gods!

Whoa!
Na only girl fit reason the way she dé reason.
She no even understand wetin she dé type.

MaxInDHouse:
Obviously nah one small girl perhaps pastors have robbed and molested her several times in the name of counseling so she feels like attacking their business not knowing that true Christianity has nothing to do with Fathers and Pastors of her churches!

Na girl she be?

Wilgrea7:
I didn't move from theism to atheism just like that. It was first from fundamentalist Christian, to liberal christian, to christian deist, to athesit/agnostic. And no, it's not because I hate "God".
I asked questions. Lots, and lots of them. And I seeked for the answers, not just from the Christian perspective, but from the perspective of other religions.
I read parts of the Holy books of Sikhism and Buddhism. I read several apocryphal "gospels". I looked at the history and the formation of the Christian, as well as the Jewish beliefs... And then I looked far before that. I compared what I know, with the real world. I examined things for what they were, rather than what I wanted them to be.
And that's how I ended up here.

What are the questions you asked and never got the answers?

FOLYKAZE:
The whole exodus account is fairy tale

That's your opinion.
They were true history of the Israelites.

Mutant001:
this are abstract depiction of where the gods stay by our forefathers which is actually not a reality because Noone knows were the supreme being stays
Receive sense!!!

You know more than your ancestors that started their religion?
you funny aswear.

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Abeg who dey manage am now? No be we?

Have we been managing it well?

Good thing I don't share your mindset. You are Nigerian anyways.. you aren't used to success at the specie level..

What are you talking about?

You can create a different thread for this topic. I'm just here to discuss the failed promise that is the Rapture. The Greatest unending Lie... Id like to rupture this lie.

No specific date was mentioned. So it ain't a failed prophecy.

God promised the Israelites the Messiah but he came hundreds of years later.
Though God didn't mention the date he would come but they trusted him that he would send him.
Any foreigners among them that time could say that delay in sending the Messiah is a failed promised whereas the Jews understand their God.

Wilgrea7:
Good for him
Examining the bible isn't the sole reason I became an atheist.. But it was certainly the starting point.
I disagree. That's the circular reasoning i was talking about.
Now we're speaking the same language.
Yeah.. Good question. Depends on the nature of the source, or the type of the source. I can't really give a general answer here.
If two or more historians independently report the same thing, it makes a stronger case for the truth of that thing. Doesn't mean its necessarily true. Discerning truth from alleged past events or writings is often a very tricky thing.
What do you mean by "prove that the bible is true". The bible is a collection of books. The fact that one book was proven to be true, does not mean the entire bible is automatically true. Even proving one book to be true is not as straightforward as it seems. Let me explain.
Let's say I write a book about the 46th President of the united states.. I say his name is Joe Biden, and that he has a blue cat named mittens who could fly.
Outside sources could in fact confirm that he is the 46th president of the states... but that does not automatically mean the story of the blue cat who can fly is true. So the idea of "proving a book in the bible" is not really one that holds that much water. Each claim made has to be examined individually, not collectively.
I never said the bible was forged... or fake

Why did you turn an athiest?

MaxInDHouse:
Of course heaven is the abode of spirit beings, earth is the home of fleshy creatures {Psalms 115:16} and hell (grave) is the place for the dead! Psalms 9:17

This guy na disguised athiest.

Odùduwà, obatala, Orunmila and othersaccording to yoruba account of creation were sent by eledumare who resides in heaven

His gods self believe say heaven de.

MaxInDHouse:
Go and convince others including your friend before coming to me!

If I were to compare the old testament and the New testament, the new testament is obviously perfect than the old testament.

HappyPagan:
We figure stuff out as usual.. without y'all crazy people... Make una inherit heaven... We go manage this Earth.

Na you get the earth wey you wan manage?
Lol.
Humans had been failing from long time ago and they will continue to fail without the creator's intervention.
Tell me the evil Christianity is causing in the society and how other religions including athiesm are anything better?

kingxsamz:
So dry bones rising, a man dividing the sea, stick turning to snakes, someone dying, resurrecting and ascending into the sky, donkey talking and the earth being made to stop rotating for three days so Moses can win a war were never portrayed as real events in the bible?
Or is there anywhere in history where it's written that any of these stories happened?
No be you talk this one before? Now you wan change mouth.

The creator of the universe can make anything happen.

kingxsamz:
When you've finally found what part of history corroborates these cock and bull stories below, let me know.

The creator is powerful enough to do anything.

HappyPagan:
His delay could mean he probably got lost. There's so much clutter in space and Earth looks so different from two thousand years ago when he died.
Secretly, I hope that it is true, that there is a Rapture... Something that zaps all y'all Bible believers away from here to your most expected place - beside the right hand of God.. I'm all for it. Nigeria will finally be peaceful.

Lol. What do you think would happen to the rest of you that weren't "zapped"?
You all gonna be destroyed.

But my beliefs are different from that. I'm currently studying with the JW cos o found out that they are the ones practising true Christianity.

Let say the "believers" were zapped and the rest of you remained, what difference would it make?

What if it wasn't a lie?

I speak in tongues before but I stopped after realising it was all fake.
Our pastor talked us into believing that anything we say when we open our mouth is from the holy spirit.
I remember when I first speaking it, I had some kind of euphoria feelings which kinda make it legit.
Na lie ajé!

The tongues spoken today are gibberish while the one spoken by the early Apostles were real language.

The dead are not sensitive.
When someone dies, he remains unconscious for eternity.

For example Jesus was unconscious in the grave for three days. He regained consciousness when God raised him back to life

kingxsamz:
Or is there anywhere in history where it was written that dry skeleton bones gained flesh and started walking around the city?

But same can be said about the bible nw?

Not everyone is an athiest.

kingxsamz:
But same can be said about the bible nw?
Or is there anywhere in history where it was written that dry skeleton bones gained flesh and started walking around the city?

Lol
You guys (athiests) are the most unintelligent and lazy people I have met.

Where did the Bible say that the "flesh and bone" vision was a real event?

Have you ever read the Bible or you just hear your fellow unintelligent athiests say stuffs about the Bible and you believe without checking the facts yourself?