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RoyalDiadems:
The same Holy Spirit. The same One who is in all Believers.

Why couldn't that holy spirit that makes someone born when saved empower the person if it's the same holy spirit?

RoyalDiadems:
The rebirth and the empowerment are two distinct works of the Holy Spirit in a man's life.

And these holy spirits come at different times right?

RoyalDiadems:
Mathew 28:19
"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,"
1John 5:7
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For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word (which is the son according to John 1:1), and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one."
You're correct about general knowledge but not all is defective. Any general knowledge that's well grounded in scripture with strong scriptural backings cannot be despise
But, the things you're talking about are strange. Absolutely unscriptural things.

Like I quoted those verses from the Qur'an right?

First do your research on that 1 John 5:7 and tell me the reason why king James version added:
"the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one."
That wasn't in the original manuscript if the scripture.

When Jesus said at John 10:30 that "my Father and I are one", did he mean they are one as God? Capital NO!

John 17:22
[22]And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

Jesus was praying to God in that verse and that's the ONE he meant at John 10:30.

RoyalDiadems:
From what I've read from you so far, I stand in doubt of this.

No problem sir/ma

Workch:
Because the Bible is a highly influential work, and an understanding of its mythology and lore is relevant to understanding history, politics, literature, philosophy, and many other matters. Additionally, several theists invoke the Bible incorrectly to advocate policies with which you disagree, and it’s rather important that you be able to cite their errors, inconsistencies, and hypocrisy.
Moreover, as a collection of mythic tales, it contains stories that are inspirational and instructive, and several passages of beauty

Àwọn foolish people sha.

Why you no go read athiest books or the Koran?

Why don't you prove that those stories were myths?
Dem never even born your ancestors then.

RoyalDiadems:
The Kingdom of God is presently a spiritual place. At the close of the age, it would become a place where people would enter.

Well Jesus is ruling the kingdom in heaven and of course heaven is a spiritual place.

The kingdom will come according to Matthew 6:10

I thought you said it's within us before?

RoyalDiadems:
The Holy Spirit works in your life without announcing Himself at salvation. From the Word you heard, to the convinction of sin in your heart, to the pertinence you exhibit leading you to accept the Lord Jesus as your Lord and Savior, all are the works of the Holy Spirit. He then comes to dwell in you and lead you in a walk with Christ.
The baptism of the Holy Spirit is a different experience entirely. Someone prays or even lays hands of you to receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit. That's empowerment after the order of Acts 1:8. The Apostles experienced it twice in the book of Acts. First experience was in Acts 2,' the second experience was recorded in Acts 4. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is the foundation for growing in the anointing.

Well it's okay. It seems your saying we have two kinds of holy spirit.

RoyalDiadems:
Then examine your beliefs in the light of scripture with a honest and sincere heart. That's the way to find the truth.

Well tbh, I have always been doing that.

RoyalDiadems:
The Kingdom of Heaven is where God dwells right now. That's why Christ is seated on the right hand of majesty (Heb 1:2).
The Kingdom of God is within you, not the Kingdom of heaven.
Please study your Bible for more clarifications on this. I myself was confused about these concepts in the 90s. I had to research the Word of God as well as the teachings of true men of God to be able to differentiate between the 2.
If you say that the thief didn't enter paradise that day as the Lord Jesus promised Him, then, you make the Lord Jesus a liar, and the Bible a book of falsehood.

Matthew 21:31
[31]Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.

If it's within people, they don't need to go into it.
From that verse kingdom of God seensike a place People go to. We can say kingdom of God is same as kingdom of heaven.

Daniel 2:44
[44]And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

The kingdom is the kingdom of God set up in heaven.

RoyalDiadems:
Everyone saved is born again is saved, and has the Holy Spirit in Him. He has the "Spirit of sonship whereby he cries Aba Father."
Everyone saved is born of the spirit and could call God Father.
Baptism or the Holy Spirit is to be ushered and immersed into the power of God. This experience is only for those who are born again, saved, washed in the blood of the lamb.

You see, the holy spirit does the work of making someone born again and the 120 didn't recieve the baptism of the holy spirit before the day of Pentecost.

RoyalDiadems:
The Kingdom of Heaven is where God dwells right now. That's why Christ is seated on the right hand of majesty (Heb 1:2).

The Kingdom of God is within you, not the Kingdom of heaven.

Please study your Bible for more clarifications on this. I myself was confused about these concepts in the 90s. I had to research the Word of God as well as the teachings of true men of God to be able to differentiate between the 2.

If you say that the thief didn't enter paradise that day as the Lord Jesus promised Him, then, you make the Lord Jesus a liar, and the Bible a book of falsehood.

You are free to believe whatever you want.
I'll hold on to the truth.

RoyalDiadems:
Go back to your Sunday school teacher. This is general knowledge amongst believers all over the world.
To be saved is to be born again or born of the Spirit. He is a new creature because of his new birth by the Spirit.
To be baptised is to be endued with power. It comes with the evidence of speaking in tongues.
Thanks for your time.

I stick to what the Bible says not general knowledge.
Because it is generally, doesn't mean it's the truth.

Like in John 17:3 when Jesus was praying to the Father, he said the Father us the one true God. Paul also emphasized on it that the Father is the one God there's 1 Corinthians 8:5&6 and Ephesians 4:6.
Even Peter said God the Father made Jesus Lord and Messiah Acts 2:36.

Today, what's the general belief?
You say God is three persons. Like the son and the holy spirit has to join the Father for Him to be complete as one God in three persons.

I wonder where you guys get these phrase from;
God the son

God the holy spirit

Workch:
God doesn't exist, that's why he never shows up. You should pity yourself for being so ignorant

That's your own personal conviction.

So how did we come to be?

I pity you cos your on your way to destruction.

tctrills:
You are yet to show that 5he verse was written to q particular people. You seem more interested in insults than in proving your point. Now you are engaging in a war against Mormons and the obviously don't have your time. I trust them to ignore you.
Even you know that saying only Jewish leaders are Gods makes no sense so why are you still pushing falsehood.
The bible declared ye are Gods but you believe God meant to say ye are not Gods?
I know in you are very intelligent and you know the meaning of ye are Gods. I actually mean ye are Gods and not the opposite.
God did not say ye are like Gods or ye are close to Gods or yet look like Gods. He said ye are Gods and Children of the living God.

If you didn't see it, I'll show you again.
And I would like you to show me where I insulted you.
No one is fighting war here. Stop exaggerating na. It's just a discussion and your the Mormon I'm discussing with.

Psalms 82:6-7
[6]I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
[7]But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

John 10:34-35
[34]Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
[35]If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;


Was God talking to a particular people here? Yes or no?
If no, where in the verses indicate that?

(Hint: He was comparing them to men. Like they will die like men. Who are the men and who are the gods?)

Workch:
You are not smart enough to see the sarcasm in Elon Musk statement

Sarcasm or no sarcasm, smart or not smart, what he said is what he said.

Even if God should show himself today and prove that he's God, some people would not still believe.

He's an atheist and I really pity him. Well he won't be the only to perish like he said.

tctrills:
Jesus reinforced it.
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
The verse was for whom the word of God came. Are we not whom the word of God came? Do you believe the word of God is only for the leaders of Isreal? Did God ever say this was for the leaders of Isreal? rather, it was for whom the word of God came.

Jesus was quoted Psalm 82. It seems you really have difficulty in understanding the scriptures.

You need to try and compare versions together so that you can grasp better.

I know Mormons only use the 1611 KJV though. It won't help you understand. Use other versions. Compare them.

Your not a leader, a ruler nor did you receive message from God, so it's not possible for you to be part of people God called gods.

In fact God was referring to some particular people of the past.

AntiChristian:
cornelboy
One point of difference between Islam and your JW form of Christianity created in 1914 is that we believe Allah knows all things. He does not suffer fatigue nor sleep! One who has the knowledge of all things thousands of years before their creation will never regret.
But we know your God rested on the 7th day after He created the world in six days. One who is fatigued need rest.
The Biblical God regretted appointing Saul as King. in 1 Sam 15:34.
He told Saul to kill the Amalekites and even their cattle, sheeps etc. Saul killed them but spared their kings and the best of the animals.
For this Jehovah had to regret appointing Saul.
Though the Bible claims God knows all things (Psalm 147:5, 139:4, 1 John 3:20) but i still wonder why He regrets after claiming to know the outcome of all things.
And about predestination what does Matthew 10:30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. mean?
Check the context:
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Instead, fear the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from the will of your Father. And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
Matthew 6:26
Look at the birds of the air: They do not sow or reap or gather into barns--and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they?
Isaiah 45:7
I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD (Jehovah/Yahweh), do all these things.

See wise man using corrupted Bible to defend Islam and using the same corrupted Bible to condemn Christianity.

I thought your Koran was fully detailed and explain na.
Leave the Bible for people wey understand am. Quote your all glorious Koran.

Your Allah know all things that was why he copied stories from the Bible and also add myths to the Koran huh?

If your Allah knew Iblis would disobey him, why did he create Iblis? Shebi he knows all things na. Why did he command him to bow to Adam in the first place?

If your all wise and all knowing Allah knows all things why did he allow the Bible, injeel and Torah to be corrupted if the scriptures were really from him?



He no know shingbain.

Your Allah also created us to suffer today and even have plan to throw some people in fire.

False religions really portray God as wicked

AntiChristian:
Where did I say this?
No one knows the matters of the unseen except Allah. Where in the Qu'ran are you talking about?
We all have our places in heaven and hell.
Allah by His knowledge has written all things!
Seems the topic is now Predestination in Islam and not false religion portrays God as diabolical.

Islam is one the religion that portrays God (their God Allah) as wicked.

40 Muslim Hausas at our area last year died in an automobile accident. Na your Allah cos am abi?

See there's difference between knowing what would happen in the future and making those events happen.

So you believe hell could be you predestined eternal abode like this?

Hismasterpiece:
@ THE BOLDED... SAYS THE PERSON IN A CULT.

Which cult bobo?

Emusan:
To expose your ignorance!
2 Peter 3 boldly written there but I know you intentionally inserted that @color for further delusion and excuse.
Very soon JWs will produce another Bible where literal, personification, symbolic e.t.c will be written verse by verse
You don't get but let give you a clue!
Believers are going to heaven temporarily for the tribulation and destruction of heavens and earth to be completed because no one can survive all these while on earth but after that, when God created New heavens and earth, we're coming back to the New earth. That's what scripture says and what true followers of Christ belief

Lol and you also believe that spirit of believers that had died and are dying now are going to heaven already

So what will Jesus come to do in his second coming?

Who are the 144000?

tctrills:
Please don't run away, You are now teaching that the rulers of Isreal are Gods and Children of the most high but the followers are not?
You have a really funny doctrine. This is the first time I am hearing this. So are the leaders of Isreal today are also Gods? How about the Prime minister of Isreal?

Running away is the best option here.
I don't why it's hard for you to show us where God said everyone is god.
Even Jesus clarified it.

[35]And you know that the Scriptures cannot be altered. So if those people who received God’s message were called ‘gods,’

tctrills:
The Pharisees and Sadducees, are they also Gods and Children of God? The evil Caiaphas, the high priest during Jesus' time is also a Son of God?
What funny doctrine are you teaching? Oga please do more research abeg. Its not adding up.

Psalms 82:6-7
[6]I say, ‘You are gods;
    you are all children of the Most High.
[7]But you will die like mere mortals
    and fall like every other ruler.’”

I don't what theory your bringing up. But God was obviously referring to some certain people and even pronounced judgement on them.

No where in the above verses or even the whole chapters says everyone is a god.

Even verse 7 says those people classed as gods would die like mere mortals. This implies there are mere mortals that are not gods.
It also implies that not everyone is god.

You can use the book of Mormon to support your unscriptural doctrine but not the holy Bible.

[quote author=tctrills post=112701456][/quote]"So if those people who received God’s message were called ‘gods,’"
Jesus was referring to the past not prime ministers of Israel.

Emusan:
Of course, your post is to call God a liar by saying "in the beginning, God created heavens and earth"....then added your mumbo jumbo "God will later destroyed all these because Satan corrupted His plan" (this is paraphrase)
Yet from the scripture we know that God actually says both heavens and the earth will be destroyed and He promised a New heavens and earth. 2 Peter 3
So if you actually read your fraudulent NWT you'd have seen it there before you created such irrelevant thread.

What are you a relevant person doing on a irrelevant thread? Tell me.

Where did God say he will literally destroy the world and create a new one?
Shebi you said na heaven you dé go, what's the new earth for?

[quote author=AntiChristian post=112703751][/quote]

If you die on the JW doctrine of 1914 Jesus you will be doomed in Hell for eternity!

From where did you see that? Who said it
You already it's a 50-50 chance. It's doesn't matter what I believe na

That's not the subject of discuss here. Settle your brain on one particular line of thought, can you?

I might be predestined to be in paradise and your portion might be hell. Nobody knows. That's according to your Koran by the way.

You don understand your JW Bible finish abi u go call your Bible Instructor to Instruct you?

Robot you have been predestined to burn in hell or maybe go to paradise. Nothing you do matters. You've be programmed

tctrills:
I don't understand your point. You don't know who the bible called Gods? Why do you think the verse was talking about the rulers of Isreal? So you agree that the rulers of Isreal are Gods and Children of God? Please explain why you think only the rulers of Isreal are Gods and Children of the most high.
Please explain how you came about the conclusion that only rulers of Isreal are gods.

Did God called call everyone god or some certain people?

I'm done with you jàre.

tctrills:
I don't understand your point. You don't know who the bible called Gods? Why do you think the verse was talking about the rulers of Isreal? So you agree that the rulers of Isreal are Gods and Children of God? Please explain why you think only the rulers of Isreal are Gods and Children of the most high.
Please explain how you came about the conclusion that only rulers of Isreal are gods.

tctrills:
So you believe that they would be saved by the old covenant then why did Christ have to suffer and die if the blood of sheep was enough to save? Again, that would also mean that the children of Israel do not need Christ as long as they keep the old covenants? If Isreal could be saved without Christ why not the rest of the world?

Okay

MrBrownJay1:
my end is to show you that LIFE is the most precious gift i gave you...so stop throwing it away by following some yeye charlatans in robe (every sunday) pretending to be the solution to your miserable life, and instead LIVE YOUR LIFE FULLY!!!
i made you UNIQUE, stop wasting your UNIQUENESS with yeye dreams and fables in the sky that ignoramus false prophets feed you everyday, and instead count your blessings! you are your own god so act like it!

So who gave you your life if you gave me mine and what happens to you when you die?
So all the enjoyment would just be all for nothing?
You don't want to live eternally?

MaxInDHouse:
All those that lived by the old covenant are not saved permanently, their everlasting life still depends on what they turn out to become at the end of Christ's 1,000 years reign. Revelations 20:1-3
Only the BORN AGAIN brothers of Christ are saved permanently as they will be taken away to heaven where Satan and the result of his release from the Abyss can't affect them! Revelations 20:4-6
That's why Jesus could say all those that lived before John the baptist are not as great as those who will partake in the first resurrection because death is still close to them! Matthew 11:11

What about those of us that are not born again?

AntiChristian:
God Created Hell Fire and Paradise.
Your Jehovah witness that was created by another "Jesus" in I914 is the false religion here.
Even "Jehovah" was a Biblical fabrication....!
The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will weed out of His kingdom every cause of sin and all who practice lawlessness. 42And they will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
From your version of Bible Matthew 13:41-42
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
Matthew 25:41

And He will burn whoever he wills in it just as He will admit whoever He wills to Paradise.

What's the benefits of being a Muslim when at the end you could be in hell and I could be in paradise

Your doctrine of predestination is totally incoherent.

De quote wetin you know understand ehn.
Better face your Koran first and understand what it entails.

tctrills:
I hope you have read my answer to your question in my last post.
Now my question for you. Would all the Children of Isreal who obeyed and followed the old testament prophets be saved?
I want your honest reply and if you don't know you can say so.

You really need a home study with the JWs.

The old covenant and it laws was for only Israel and those that abide by it will be/are saved.