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tctrills:
More verses to help you

Ephesians 5:5
For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.

Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

How were these verses supposed to help me?

tctrills:
Yes, those in the lake of fire would be in a state of regret is that the point you are trying to make? Yes, many of the Israelites would regret it when they don't make the kingdom and are found in hell. so in a way, you are right that was why Jesus Christ also told them;

There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
They would not be destroyed rather, they shall witness Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God and there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Read also
Revelation 20:10
And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Now what about Revelations 20:14, how could hell and earth born in a literal fire?

Did you see in Mathew 13:42 that Jesus talking about his kingdom on earth?

tctrills:
Let's make this very easy. Are you saying that some people would be saved in his kingdom while others would be saved outside his kingdom?
What does it mean to be saved?

Is entering the kingdom same as being saved?
Where did Jesus say all his followers would enter the kingdom to be saved?

To be saved means to have eternal life!

tctrills:
The Godhead indicates a plurality of Gods and leadership at the top. The bible indicates that Christ is a member of the Godhead. Biblically, the is no difference between god and God. Remember, In ancient Greek writings, only upper case was used. The lower case letters were gradually developed by Christian scribes in monasteries.

Where did Godhead indicate the plurality of God? Have you checked the meaning of "Godhead"? It's not in anyway plural.

Colossians 2:9
[9]For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body.

Colossians 2:9
[9]For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Some translation used God, some used Deity while the others used Godhead.

I understand that Mormons or members of church of Jesus Christ latter day saints don't believe in trinity but what they believe in is not very different from trinity.

tctrills:
Lake of fire symbolises eternal destruction. You know when something cease to exist. Not true.
Matthew 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. If one ceases to exist, there cannot be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

MATTHEW 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Note again, our spirits never die.

You know 13:42 was a parable right? And 8:12 wasn't about lake of fire but showing the Pharisees in a state of regret?

The kingdom of God was meant for the Israelites but because of their unbelief, gentiles are now taking their positions in the kingdom.

Dtruthspeaker:
You are not the owner of death and hell, therefore you can not know whether it can not burn.
Same thing happens when a Camry is thrown into our Incinerators.
You jws and your love for twisting things and making unlawful connections to suit your wishes.
Clearly, it was also said, that "all those people who are found condemned" shall be thrown into the same lake of Fire which is destroying hell and death.
But you guys develop self inflicted blindness to this part.

Lol. The people will be destroyed together with hell, death, Satan,.....

Dtruthspeaker:
The Creator and Owner of all things including death and hell has already Said that it can be cast into another of His creation, which He knows shall destroy them, called Lake of Fire.
Clearly, they are as real as the rain, sun and pain.

Death and hell are not literal just as lake of fire.

Death and hell are not some material that can burn in a fire.

Lake of fire symbolises eternal destruction. You know when something cease to exist.

If everyone in the new world would have eternal life through Jesus, logically death and hell couldn't exist. They would have no place in the new world.

oaroloye:
SHALOM!



YOU HAVE A PROBLEM COMPREHENDING THE BIBLE, BECAUSE YOU NEVER BELIEVED THE BIBLE FROM THE BEGINNING!

[color=silver].[/color] GENESIS 1:1-28.

IN The Beginning
God created the Heaven
and the Earth.
2. And the Earth was
without form, and void;
and Darkness was upon
the Face of the Deep.
And The Spirit of God
moved upon
the Face of the Waters.
3. And God Said,

"Let there be light:
and there was light."

4. And God saw the Light,
that it was Good:
and God divided the Light
from the Darkness.
5. And God called the Light Day,
and the Darkness
He called Night.
And the evening
and the morning were
the First Day.
6. And God Said,

"Let there be a Firmament
in the midst of the Waters,
and let it divide the Waters
from the Waters.

7. And God made
the Firmament,
and divided the waters
which were under
the Firmament from
the Waters which were
above the Firmament:
and it was so.
8. And God called
the Firmament Heaven.

And the evening
and the morning
were the Second Day.

9. And God Said,

"Let the waters
under the Heaven
be gathered together
unto one place,
and let the dry land appear:"

and it was so.
10. And God called
the dry land Earth;
and the gathering together
of the waters
called He Seas:
and God saw that it was Good.

11. And God Said,

"Let the Earth bring forth grass,
the herb yielding seed,
and the fruit tree yielding fruit
after his kind,
whose seed is in itself,
upon the Earth:"

and it was so.
12. And the Earth
brought forth grass,
and herb yielding seed
after his kind,
and the tree yielding fruit,
whose seed was in itself,
after his kind:
and God saw that it was Good.
13. And the evening
and the morning
were the Third Day.

14. And God Said,

"Let there be Lights
in the Firmament of the Heaven
to divide the day from the night;
and let them be for Signs,
and for Seasons,
and for days, and years:
15. "And let them be for lights
in the Firmament of the Heaven
to give light upon the Earth:"

and it was so.
16. And God made
two Great Lights;
the Greater Light
to rule the day,
and the Lesser Light
to rule the night:
He made the Stars also.
17. And God set them
in the Firmament of the Heaven
to give light upon the Earth,
18. And to rule over the day
and over the night,
and to divide the Light
from the Darkness:
and God saw that it was Good.

19. And the evening
and the morning
were the Fourth Day.

creeping thing
that creepeth upon the Earth."

20. And God Said,

"Let the waters bring forth abundantly
the moving creature that hath life,
and fowl that may fly above the Earth
in the open Firmament of Heaven."

21. And God created great whales,
and every living creature that moveth,
which the waters brought forth abundantly,
after their kind,
and every winged fowl after his kind:
and God Saw that it was Good.
22. And God Blessed them,
Saying,

"Be fruitful, and multiply,
and fill the waters in the seas,
and let fowl multiply in the Earth."

23. And the evening and the morning
were the fifth day.

24. And God Said,

"Let the Earth bring forth
the living creature after his kind,
cattle, and creeping thing,
and Beast of the Earth
after his kind:"

and it was so.
25. And God made
the Beast of the Earth
after his kind,
and cattle after their kind,
and every thing that creepeth
upon the Earth after his kind:
and God saw
that it was Good.

26. And God Said,

"Let us make Man in Our Image,
after Our Likeness:
and let them have Dominion
over the Fish of the Sea,
and over the Fowl of the Air,
and over the Cattle,
and over all the Earth,
and over every creeping thing
that creepeth upon the Earth."

27. So God created Man
in His Own Image,
in The Image of God created He him;
male and female created He them.
28. And God Blessed them,
and God Said unto them,

"Be fruitful, and multiply,
and replenish the Earth,
and subdue It:
and have Dominion
over the Fish of the Sea,
and over the Fowl of the Air,
and over every Living Thing
that moveth upon the Earth."

IF YOU HAD READ THE BIBLE FROM THE BEGINNING, YOU WOULD KNOW THAT GOD CREATES THINGS BY SPEAKING THEM INTO EXISTENCE.

[color=silver].[/color] JOHN 1:1-14.

IN The Beginning was The Word,
and The Word was with God,
and The Word was God.
2. The same was in
The Beginning with God.
3. All things were made by Him;
and without Him
was not any thing made
that was made.
4. In Him was Life;
and The Life was The Light of Men.
5. And the light shineth in Darkness;
and The Darkness
comprehended it not.

6. There was a man sent from God,
whose name was John.
7. The same came for a witness,
to bear witness of The Light,
that all men through him
might believe.
8. He was not That Light,
but was sent
to bear witness of That Light.

9. That was The True Light,
Which lighteth every man
that cometh into the World.

10. He was in the World,
and the World was made by him,
and the World knew him not.
11. He came unto his own,
and his own received him not.
12. But as many as received him,
to them gave he Power
to become the Sons of God,
even to them
that believe on his Name:
13. Which were Born,
not of blood,
nor of the Will of the Flesh,
nor of the Will of Man,
but of God.
14. And the Word was made Flesh,
and dwelt among us,
[and we beheld his Glory,
the Glory as of
the only begotten of The Father,]
full of Grace and Truth.

THERE ARE TWO GREEK TERMS THAT ARE FRAUDULENTLY TRANSLATED "WORD" IN THE ENGLISH BIBLE.

(1) LOGOS: The Recorded Word (3056). Reasoning, Motive, Computation.

(2) RHEMA: The Spoken Word (4487). Utterance, Matter, Topic.



The FACSIMILE is consistent with the New Testament term "LOGOS." In SCIENTOLOGY it means SPIRITUAL ENERGY IMAGE.

Facsimiles are the root Source of everything that Exists, and since the term "LOGOS" is the term used in JOHN 1:1-14, God is a LOGOS.

He created Heaven and Earth by duplicating Himself, and this duplicate created all other things and beings by creating modified duplicates of Himself.

Everything that Exists used to be THE LOGOS. Not just Lord Yeshua. Disciple YOCHANNAN was deliberately trying to mislead us, in telling us that Lord Yeshua was THE LOGOS.

[color=silver].[/color] MARK 8:27-30.

27. And Jesus went out,
and his Disciples,
into the towns
of Caesarea Philippi:
and by the way,
he asked his Disciples,
saying unto them,

"Whom do men say that I am?"

28. And they answered,

"John the Baptist:
but some (say), 'Elias;'
and others,
One of the Prophets.' "

29. And he Saith unto them,

"But whom saith ye that I am?"

And Peter answereth
and saith unto him,

"Thou art The Christ."

30. And he charged them
that they should
tell no man of him.

HE KNEW THAT HE WAS FORBIDDEN FROM TELLING US ABOUT LORD YESHUA'S ATTRIBUTES- LORD YESHUA DECREED THAT WE SHOULD RECEIVE THAT KNOWLEDGE DIRECTLY FROM GOD HIMSELF.

[color=silver].[/color] MATTHEW 11:25-30.

25. At that time Jesus Answered
and Said,

"I thank Thee,
O Father,
Lord of Heaven and Earth,
because thou hast
hid these things
from the wise and prudent,
and hast revealed them
unto babes.
26. "Even so, Father:
for so it seemed Good in Thy Sight.
27. "All things are delivered
unto me
of my Father:
and no man knoweth The Son,
but The Father;
neither knoweth any man The Father,
save The Son,
and he to whomsoever The Son
will reveal him.
28. "Come unto me,
all ye that labour
and are heavy laden,
and I will give you rest.
29. "Take my Yoke upon you,
and learn of me;
for I am meek and lowly in heart:
and ye shall find rest
unto your souls.
30. "For my Yoke is easy,
and my burden is light."

[color=silver].[/color] MATTHEW 16:20.

20. Then charged he his Disciples
that they should tell no man
that he was Jesus The Christ.

[color=silver].[/color] JOHN 6:41-45.

41. The Jews then
murmured at Him,
because he Said,

“I AM THE BREAD
WHICH CAME DOWN
FROM HEAVEN.”

42. And they said,

“Is not this Jesus,
the son of Joseph,
whose father and mother
we know?
How is it then that he Saith,

‘I CAME DOWN
FROM HEAVEN?' "

43. Jesus therefore Answered
and Said unto them,

“Murmur not among yourselves.
44. "No man can come to me
unless The Father
Who hath sent me draw him;
and I will raise him up
at The Last Day.
45. "It is written in The Prophets:

‘AND THEY SHALL BE
ALL TAUGHT BY GOD.’

Every man therefore
that hath heard
and hath learned
From The Father
cometh unto me."

ONLY GOD CAN TELL US WHO LORD YESHUA IS, AND ONLY LORD YESHUA CAN TELL US WHO GOD IS: THOSE WHO TELL YOU WHO LORD YESHUA IS ARE ALL ALWAYS DECEIVERS, WHO ONLY KNOW WHAT MEN (OR WOMEN!) HAVE TOLD THEM.

Anyone who has heard from God would want you to hear from God, also.

If someone insists that you must receive their Revelation of Lord Yeshua from them, and not from God directly, that means that God never revealed It to them, either.

[color=silver].[/color] JOHN 12:42-50.

42. Nevertheless among
the Chief Rulers also
many believed on him;
but because of the Pharisees
they did not confess him,
lest they should be
put out of the Synagogue:
43. For they loved
the praise of men
more than The Praise of God.

44. Jesus Cried and Said,

"He that believeth on me,
believeth not on me,
but on him that sent me.
45. "And he that seeth me
seeth Him that sent me.
46. "I am come a Light
into the World,
that whosoever believeth on me
should not abide in Darkness.
47. "And if any man hear my Words,
and believe not,
I judge him not:
for I came not to Judge the World,
but to save the World.
48. "He that rejecteth me,
and receiveth not my Words,
hath One that Judgeth him:
The Word that I have spoken,
The Same shall Judge him
in The Last Day.
49. "For I have not Spoken of myself;
but The Father Which sent me,
He gave me a Commandment,
what I should Say,
and what I should Speak.
50. "And I know that
His Commandment is Life Everlasting:
whatsoever I Speak therefore,
even as The Father Said unto me,
so I Speak."

ONLY LORD YESHUA'S WORDS ARE RELIABLE: THE WORDS OF NEW TESTAMENT COMMENTATORS ARE NOT RELIABLE.

[color=silver].[/color] LUKE 12:8-12.

8. "Also I Say unto you,

'WHOSOEVER SHALL
CONFESS ME
BEFORE MEN,
HIM SHALL THE SON OF MAN
ALSO CONFESS BEFORE
THE ANGELS OF GOD:
9. 'BUT HE THAT DENIETH ME
BEFORE MEN
SHALL BE DENIED BEFORE
THE ANGELS OF GOD.'

10. "And whosoever
shall speak a word
against the Son of Man,
it shall be forgiven him:
but unto him that blasphemeth
against The Holy Ghost
it shall not be forgiven.
11. "And when they bring you
unto the synagogues,
and unto magistrates,
and powers,
take ye no thought
how or what thing
ye shall answer,
or what ye shall say:
12. "For The Holy Ghost
shall Teach you
in the same hour
what ye ought to say."

DISCIPLE YOCHANNAN DID NOT WANT US TO KNOW THAT LORD YESHUA SAID THAT HE WOULD DENY ANYONE WHO DENIED HIM BEFORE GOD, AND BEFORE THE ANGELS OF GOD.

[color=silver].[/color] JOHN 6:47.

47. "Verily, verily,
I Say unto you,

'HE THAT BELIEVETH ON ME,
HATH EVERLASTING LIFE.' "

[color=silver].[/color] JOHN 14:12.

12. "Verily, verily,
I Say unto you,

'HE THAT BELIEVETH ON ME,
THE WORKS THAT I DO
SHALL HE DO ALSO;
AND GREATER WORKS
THAN THESE SHALL HE DO;
BECAUSE I GO
UNTO MY FATHER.' "

IF YOU DO NOT DO THE WORKS OF LORD YESHUA, THEN YOU DO NOT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE, EITHER!

There are five distinct steps to be negotiated, before one attains EVERLASTING LIFE.

[color=silver].[/color] THE TEN TALENTS OF POWER. (Matt. 25)

(1) TOTAL RECALL.
(2) EXTRASENSORY PERCEPTION.
(3) TELEKINESIS.
(4) TELEPORTATION.
(5) TRANSLATION.
(6-10) EVERLASTING LIFE.

These steps take at least ONE YEAR EACH to rehabilitate. The Y'sraelites were supposed to have attained all these "TALENTS" during their teenage years.

TO ONE WHO HAS EVERLASTING LIFE, EVERYTHING THAT HAS A NAME IS A DISCRETE ENTITY, WITH LIFE.

[color=silver].[/color] MATTHEW 12:22-28.

22. Then was
brought unto him
one possessed
with a Devil,
blind, and dumb:
and he healed him,
insomuch that
the blind and dumb
both spake and saw.
23. And all the people
were amazed,
and said,

"Is not this
The Son of David?"

24. But when
the Pharisees heard it,
they said,

"This fellow doth not
cast out devils,
but by Beelzebub
the Prince of the Devils."

25. And Jesus knew their thoughts,
and Said unto them,

"Every kingdom
divided against itself
is brought to desolation;
and every city or house
divided against itself
shall not stand:
26. "And if Satan
cast out Satan,
he is divided
against himself;
how shall then
his Kingdom stand?
27. "And if I by Beelzebub
cast out Devils,
by whom do your children
cast them out?
therefore they shall be
your judges.
28. "But if I cast out Devils
by the Spirit of God,
then The Kingdom of God
is come unto you."

HELL IS AN ENTITY, AND DEATH IS AN ENTITY

They can both be moved by authoritative Spiritual Commands delivered at (5) POSTULATES Level.

FIRE AND WATER ARE CONDUITS AND CONTAINMENTS FOR SPIRITUAL ENTITIES AND POWERS.

Nobody told us that anything burns in HELL nor in THE LAKE OF FIRE.

[color=silver].[/color] DEUTERONOMY 12:32.

32. What thing soever I Command you,
observe to do it:
thou shalt not add thereto,
nor diminish from it.

YOU CONFUSE YOURSELF BY ADDING THINGS TO THE BIBLE THAT THE BIBLE DID NOT DAY.

Who was burned by NEBUCHADNEZZAR'S FURNACE? Just because a thing or being is in Fire, that does not mean that they are being burned!

Stop pretending that no Christians could answer you!

Can't you just make your response precise?

AntiChristian:
I thought you were logical but didn't know logic doesn't cut it in your case.
Where do Jinn live before man was created? "Among Angels."
Jinn are created from Smokeless fire while Angels were created from Light. What were they created from in the Bible? Jinns are like man in that they reproduce and have free will. Jinns are a separate world from that of the Angel world.
This is logic. Your dad is a disbeliever in your JW belief. So Satan the foremost Jinn can have righteous descendants.
The Jinn world is not of our business as we won't be questioned about them.
Jinns were among the servants of Prophet Sulaimon during his time.
They are like a community like us. We preach to ourselves, reproduce, transfer knowledge to our offspring.
Muhammad had to be the final messenger for mankind and Jinn as Allah willed it.
To every nation was a messenger!
Jinns can sleep with humans and possess them!

Can you tell me your believe about predestination in Islam?

orisa37:
ELON MUSK EVEN AGREES THUS FAR.
GOD'S NAME BE BLESSED.
GOD IS EVERYTHING FOR EVERYTHING IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH IS GOD.
GOD INSPIRED THE BIBLE. GOD IS THE BIBLE.

THE BIBLE IS THE GIFT AND LAW OF EXISTENTIALISM.

THE BIBLE IS LIGHT GOODNESS AND LIFE.
THE BIBLE IS INSTRUCTION DIRECTION AND DISCERNMENT.
THE BIBLE IS WISDOM KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING.

THE BIBLE IS THE FAITH, THE HOPE, PEACE OF GOD AND GOD IN LOVE.
THE BIBLE IS OUR RICHES AND WEALTH; POWER AND MIGHT; HONOUR AND GLORY; MAJESTY AND WORSHIP.

THE BIBLE IS OUR SECURITY, SAFETY AND SUCCESS.

ALL OF THE ABOVE ARE GOD'S NAMES.
GOD'S NAME BE PRAISED. HALLELUJAH!!!
HOSANNA IN THE HIGHEST !!!

The òrìsà37

RealTalker02:
Point out what was twisted, if two things appearing together mean they are different

Can you explain what is the soul, since the spirit is what goes for judgement,? Both usually appear together , or are they the Same thing ?

Good job bro.

All he does is to run mouth. É no dé think.

He even say the emojis he use in his posts represent the joy of the lord in him

[quote author=tctrills post=112576002][/quote]

Only those who are baptized by water and the Holy Ghost would be saved and would enter or see the Kingdom of God

No! Jesus said those that are born of water and spirit are born agains and they will enter God's Kingdom.

You need to be born again in other to be saved. Those that are not born again would not be saved.

You need to believe, get saved (Romans 10:9&10), are now qualified to be baptized by or born of water and spirit and definitely quality to enter the kingdom.

That is what Jesus says. So if you want to be saved, you must be born of water and the Holy Ghost

Where did Jesus say that?

AntiChristian:
Why do bacteria live in almost every part of your body? Because Allah made it so!
So if you dad is Jehovah then you also will be Jehovah witness?
If your dad was an idol worshiper then it is a must all his descendants embrace idolatry?
Reply me only when you are using your senses!
Satan was good before he fell short! Humans and Jinn have free will to do what is right or wrong!

A bacterial will always be bacterial and a jinn will always be a Jinn.

A Jinn showing up among angels is unexplainable, no matter what explanation you gave to it. That's just the nature of the Koran.

Jinns were fallen angels. Jinns are not reproducing now. The Jinns existing from the time they became Jinns are the Jinns existing now.

Show me in your Koran where it says angels can't disobey?

My dad isn't a JW and I'm studying with them to be one.
Why?
Cos I could see the TRUTH.

Let's say the company of Jinns were able to hear the recital of Koran from Mohammad then, what about the other Jinns that didn't hear his preaching?
Who is preaching islam to the Jinns existing today?
Why didn't Allah send Jinns to jinns, why human to jinns?

Why didn't Allah sent other prophets to them? Why only Mohammed was sent to them?

All knowing and all wise Allah don forget them abi?

MaxInDHouse:
For worthless, baseless, useless and fruitless arguments,
Customer dada ni!

I must run o

MaxInDHouse:
For worthless, baseless, useless and fruitless arguments,
Customer dada ni!

I no wan patronise today

achorladey:
Awon better performing performance group peddler decides to go the way of compare them to the early church and let's see.

Leave me o.

KaLuCh:
You don't understand boss, I'm not debating Jesus' Deity status with you or anybody else, ever.

I'm just stating matter-of-factly what I believe. So you can forget about me taking it 'one by one' with you if you're driving at Jesus not being the same as God the Father.

Is what you believe Paul would believe if he were here with us today?
I mean is what you believe the TRUTH?

KaLuCh:
You don't understand boss, I'm not debating Jesus' Deity status with you or anybody else, ever.

I'm just stating matter-of-factly what I believe. So you can forget about me going taking it 'one by one' with you if you're driving at Jesus not being the same as God the Father.

Did I even mention Jesus in those questions I asked.

One thing is that after Jesus had completed his missions, he will hand his authority over to God the Father and he will be subjected to God the Father forever.

According to Jesus and Paul and the general belief of the early church, the Father is the one true God there's. They didn't believe nor teach the trinity. They believed God is one person.

That's it.

KaLuCh:
Alright boss. I'll of course not want to sound disrespectful to someone who's a father to you even though he can't seem to stop making funny conclusions as to why I refer to you as boss. I'm not learning jack from you, in fact,

And by the way, .

I'm sure we can both agree that individual is not like a father to you because you call him sir

Yeah that's not wrong.

I'm repulsed by you trying to say Jesus is not God just as the Father is.

The Bible doesn't support that.

achorladey:
Like the following below from their publications....

1.

All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not."

2.

At times those appointed to take the lead may give direction that does not make sense to us. However, Jehovah blesses obedience

Which authority or interpretation do you follow

OLAADEGBU:
If Jesus prayed to His Father does that make the Father greater than the Son?

Read what tctrills wrote again. You no get im points.

KaLuCh:
Godhead in the bible
“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily” (Colossians 2:9, KJV).
“For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse” (Romans 1:20, KJV)
“Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device” (Acts 17:29, KJV).
The Father calling Jesus, God:
Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."
Isaiah calling Jesus God:
Isaiah 9:6- “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace”
The rest are in the many scripture references I gave earlier. But at least this proves it goes way back. And like I said and still stand by, if He is God, He is God absolutely. There are no levels or classes to Godhood. Even if there are, Jesus belongs to the highest of them, the class of the Father, same as the Holy Spirit, same authority, same position, same everything, in fact ONE. Not alike, not of different classes but ONE. SAME.

Let's take it one by one. Let's start with Godhead.
What's the difference between Godhead and God?
What's the difference between god, God and GOD?

KaLuCh:
Tell him the truth, he's of the same Witness sect as you, he sounded like a little boy with that comment. Else he might also claim to be your father since you addressed him as sir.

Lol. He's actually a Father to me.

mhmsadyq:
Allah has created man and jinn for the sole purpose of worshipping him alone.
Adh-Dhariyat 51:56

I have only created Jinns and men, that they may serve Me.

This was what happened until Iblis disobeyed, then Adam also disobeyed.
This is how we are here today!

You see;
Iblis was the origin of the jinns, just as Adam was of men.

Angels were called, how did Jinn show up?

How was Iblis the originator of other Jinns, do Jinns marry too like human?

Is like asking where are the other humans when the angels bow to Adam

You can't even prove that Iblis was the only Jinn existing then. You can't also prove that he's the father of the Jinns using the Koran alone.

haekymbahd:
He only had issues when God created man and he was to honor man over him.

New International Version
Job 1 vs 6
One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.
Why was there not 1 supreme leader of Angels and who gave Satan/dragon the status of a Leader while Jesus/Michael was also an angel?

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Are you a Christian or a Muslim?

AntiChristian said the beliefs in Islam is different from ours. You should be quoting the Koran not the holy scriptures.

He was admitted into the assembly of the angels due to the fact that he was one of the servant of God and also devoted to the worship of God also he was honored aboved the Angels

Pls show me from your book where got everything you put here.

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b]Question:[/b] According to the Bible there were 2 factions of angels each faction led by Michael/Jesus [Jehovah witness belief] and Satan/dragon respectively.

Are Jinns a faction of angels in the Koran? Cos your not making sense here.

When Satan started his rebellion, he was able to convince some angels too and they joined him. They were later defeated and thrown out of heaven. Angels no get two factions, they rebelled and were sent out.

Satan and the angel sent down with him are already doomed.
In the Bible, Jinns are demons, the fallen angels.

Yes there can be righteous descendants of Jinn it was Satan who sinned and not his descendant..

Lol. The verses you quoted were referring to human beings not Jinns.

How's iblis the father of Jinns?

AntiChristian:
Which other Jinn? What are their names?

1. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And (remember) when We said to the angels: “Prostrate yourselves unto Adam.” So they prostrated themselves except Iblis (Satan). He was one of the jinn; he disobeyed the command of his Lord. Will you then take him (Iblis) and his offspring as protectors and helpers rather than Me while they are enemies to you? What an evil is the exchange for the Zalimoon (polytheists, and wrongdoers, etc).” [18:50]

2. Allah stated that He created the jinn from fire, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And the jinn, We created aforetime from the smokeless flame of fire” [15:27]

“And the jinn He created from a smokeless flame of fire” [55:15]

And it was narrated in a saheeh hadeeth (authentic report) that ‘Aishah (may Allah be pleased with her) said: the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “The angels were created from light, the jinn were created from smokeless fire and Adam was created from that which has been described to you.” [Muslim, Ahmad, al-Bayhaqi and Ibn Hibban].

One of the attributes of the angels is that they were created from light, and the jinn were created from fire. It was mentioned in the Quran that Iblis – may Allah curse him – was created from fire. This is what Iblis himself said when Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, asked him the reason for his refusal to prostrate to Adam when Allah commanded him to do so. He – may Allah curse him – said:

“ ‘I am better than him (Adam), You created me from fire, and him You created from clay.’” [7:12, 38:76 – interpretation of the meaning]. This indicates that he was one of the jinn.

3. Allah has described the angels in His Book, where He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O you who believe! Ward off yourselves and your families against a Fire (Hell) whose fuel is men and stones, over which are (appointed) angels stern (and) severe, who disobey not, (from executing) the commands they receive from Allah, but do that which they are commanded.” [66:6]

“And they say: ‘The Most Gracious (Allah) has begotten a son (or children).’ Glory to Him! They [whom they call children of Allah i.e. the angels, ‘Isa (Jesus) son of Maryam, ‘Uzair (Ezra)], are but honoured slaves. They speak not until He has spoken, and they act on His command.” [21:26-27]

“And to Allah prostrate all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth, of the moving (living) creatures and the angels, and they are not proud [i.e. they worship their Lord (Allah) with humility]. They fear their Lord above them, and they do what they are commanded.” [16:49-50]

So it is not possible for the angels to disobey their Lord, because they are protected from sin and they are naturally inclined to obey Allah.

4.The fact that Iblis is not one of the angels means that he is not compelled to obey Allah. He has freedom of will just as we humans do. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, We showed him the way, whether he be grateful or ungrateful.” [76:3]

There are also Muslims and kafirs (non-Muslims) among the jinn. It says in Soorat al-Jinn (interpretation of the meaning):

“Say (O Muhammad): ‘It has been revealed to me that a group (from three to ten in number) of jinn listened (to this Quran). They said: ‘Verily, we have heard a wonderful Recitation (this Quran)! It guides to the right path, and we have believed therein, and we shall never join (in worship) anything with our Lord (Allah).’” [72:1-2]

In the same soorah (chapter), it states that the jinn said:

“‘And indeed when we heard the Guidance (this Quran), we believed therein (Islamic Monotheism), and whosoever believes in his Lord shall have no fear, either of a decrease in the reward of his good deeds or an increase in the punishment for his sins. And of us some are Muslims (who have submitted to Allah, after listening to this Quran), and of us some are Al‑Qasitoon (disbelievers those who have deviated from the right path)…” [72:13-14]

Ibn Kathir (may Allah have mercy on him) said in his exegesis:

Al-Hasan al-Basri said: Iblis was not one of the angels, not even for a single moment. He is the father of the jinn, just as Adam (peace be upon him) is the father of mankind. This was narrated by al-Tabari with a saheeh isnad (authentic chain).

Lol. I didn't even ask you.

How and why did a Jinn show up where angels were called?

Iblis was not one of the angels, not even for a single moment. He is the father of the jinns

So your saying Iblis gave birth to all Jinns just like Adam gave birth to us?

Definitely, all other Jinns are bad too like their father Iblis and cannot repent right?

Can there be righteous descendants of Iblis, Jinns?

Hismasterpiece:
But you just said you can't be tired of telling people the truth.

Did I say I'm tired or does it seem I'm tired?

MaxInDHouse:
When chatting with someone please note their opening words.
The title "BOSS" connotes "Master" he already given a signal that you know more he's not just ready to admit openly.
Please try to be mild with him!

That's a good point sir.

mhmsadyq:
Good!
Islam says Iblis was never an angel, though he was with the Angels in the beginning.
Iblis was created from smokeless fire. Unlike the Angels that were created from light.
Ar-Rahman 55:15
And He created Jinns from fire free of smoke:
Iblis was only like the angels in devotion and worship of Allah.

So, when Allah commanded the Angels to prostrate before Adam, Iblis was with the Angels, therefore was included in the command, yet he disobeyed.
Allah then told us of his nature "jinn".

What about the other Jinns, are they not like angels in devotion and worship to Allah?
Why didn't other jinn show up?

Which verse say this:
'Iblis was only like the angels in devotion and worship of Allah."

AntiChristian:
Bring evidence for all your lies first before your request anything from me.

Bring evidence from the Koran that your angels can't rebel, eat, change to human etc?

Because it wasn't mentioned in the Koran that angel could disobey their creator, does that mean it not possible?

MaobiCarl:
Simple Similarities and Differences between Jehovah's Witnesses and Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Days Saints Church (LDS) in Nigeria

Informations obtained from their own website and literatures respectively ( no negative intention)

1. Both claim to be Christians but all mainstream christendom disagrees

2. Both are founded in USA and by Americans. Joseph Smith founded LDS in 1820, missionary to Nigeria started in late 1970's while Charles Russell started jW foundation in 1870, missionary to Nigeria started in early 1900s having the highest population in South south Nigeria (precisely Akwaibom and Rivers state)

3. Both religions are rumored to be very wealthy meanwhile LDS is the richest church in the whole world according to forbes ( LDS has one of the most transparent financial system open to the government authorities)

4. Both are non trinatarian. (They don't accept the Trinity doctrine)

5. Both believe other mainstream Christian dominations are wrong including themselves and condemned to God's wrath.

6.Both consider evangelism and missionary work essential to their belief. In LDS your missionary is sponsored by the church, you may be sent to a different country to serve at the expense of the church.

6. LDS encourages higher education and even owns universities (one of them is the best in the world) Brigham Young University in Utah( almost free) and many Nigerians has benefited from it on scholarship . JW believes the end of world is near since 1914, so why go to university and get corrupted? therefore higher learning is prohibited ( many members ignore this admonition anyway)

7. While Jehovah's witnesses build kingdom Halls ( a simple and not so furnished chapels) for there congregations, LDS builds international standard chapels for local congregations, most has a basket ball court.

8. Both faiths are sponsored by its members wilful monetary contributions and pledges.

9. Both frown at Ex or former members. Jehovah's Witnesses go the extra mile to shun/demonize them and cut ties with their family (quoting 2 corinthians)

10. Jehovah's witnesses are instructed not to participate in politics and milltary quoting "not part of the world" meanwhile LDS participate fully in politics and milltary.

11. Both believes no other denomination will accend heaven except their's. While Jehovah's witnesses believes only 144,000 will go to heaven, LDS believes all good people will go to heaven but only the saints (LDS members) will be in the CELESTIAL HEAVEN with Jehovah and non saints will be in the TERRESTRIAL HEAVEN (like a Catholic purgatory) waiting to be baptised in an LDS temple to join the saints in the celestial... They all have Bible passages to support these ideas.

12. Both believes the Bible to be authority but interpretation of their prophets / governing body is more authority.

13. Population of Nigerians that are witnesses are upto 600,000 and LDS is less than 150,000. Dominated by Southerners especially south south Nigeria ( Akwa ibom and rivers states )

14. Headquarters facility for witnesses is situated in Benin City, Edo State while for LDS is in Aba, Abia state.


15. Witnesses are discouraged to marry non witnesses (disobedience to this rule implies that your parents, relatives and friends who are witnesses won't attend any of your marriage rites, including registry). LDS are encouraged to marry themselves but there's no outlaw or punishment if you marry outside.

16. Both LDS and witnesses has their own Hymns . Many of these Hymns are masterpieces and beautiful like "give me courage" from jw, "a child's prayer" and "do you think to pray" from LDS songbook.
You can search "Terbanacle Square" on YouTube or spotify or ask witnesses arround you to share their songs with you.. You will be amazed
Meanwhile jws are not allowed to play other gospel songs apart from theirs in the kingdom hall or their comfort as it's viewed as interfaith but LDS can play whatever they like and also uses public hymns.

17. Witnesses drink alcohol. A good number but a few of them are notorious drunkards. LDS won't take alcohol or caffeine produce

18. LDS wear uniforms. Baptized Men must wear a white shirt as it signifies holiness and "Saint". Jws don't wear wear a uniform but they imitate dress codes of their leaders in America (no beards, tie and trouser, native is also allowed as long as it reaches the knee cap).

19. Their women can wear trouser but not to their church services. They can wear modest makeup too

20. Witnesses believe that the end of the world is imminent since their beginning in 1870, LDS don't, actually they do in a way "its kinda complicated".
LDS believe you rejoin God and the saints at death in the "celestial heavens". So everyone lives a good moral life pending his own end at death.

21. Both don't encourage LGBT. In JW they see it as a sin against God, catching you in the act will lead you to be "disfellowshipped" or getting shunned. In LDS you can identify as LGBT but there are stereotypes, you're seen as a sick person(natural impairment) who will have to kill own feelings towards same sex.

22. In both organisations women are not allowed to be elders, bishops or overseers. In jws women can mount the pulpit or pray over only when there's no single qualified man. In LDS women can give testimonies, talks, sermons conduct bible study rooms and other privileges but are not made elders.

23. Both allow men and women to be missionaries.


End

Next week will be

Jehovah's witnesses vs God's kingdom society

Eckankar vs Grail message.

Using the early church doctrines as standard, why don't you compare churches existing today to the early church and let's see which church is actually following the Bible and doing God's will?

mhmsadyq:
Ok.

You are not a Muslim.
You ask questions if you want to learn or know.
Drawing deliberate conclusions suggest you don't want to know.

Oya make I ask one question.
How did a jinn show up when angels were called?