Unless he is going to be prosecuted, spare us.

gboss4sure: But they wont support the bill of paying Non Employed Graduate just 20k a month. Rogues and Thiefs

We are not looking to create a welfare state, they should be looking to create jobs not excuse unemployment though I understand what you are saying and one some level I agree with it.

Hahahahahahaha, mudafvcking useless niggr.

McNuel O: [/color][color=#000099]I realy don't think u guys any other thing apart from niaraland fake news. Do u know how many people Obama pardon this year alone? And how many he pardon in his for years as president of America? Hope u don't think they are bishiops and pastors? U talk any how because u have access to net

Name a few please.

I suppose now he will go to all of Nigeria's prisons and give presidential pardons to those who say they won't do it again. It is all very funny.

emmabeejay: Why are pple on Nairaland soooo dumb... Gates was not coming to show off his money or anything, he was coming to help in polio eradication; which by d way, is why he had abandoned his position @microsoft, to use his own hard earned money in helping young children's health all over the world. Why not give a little credit to that and face the real deal here. This is a country where leaders steal pple's money without any sweat, and still get away with it. lets face the reality, we really need help, considering he fact that the people that are being rubbed don't even know it, bc
os if you guyz know what exactly you're loosing by being in a wealthy country by nature, but poor in every other things all because of some losers acting as a leader.
WISE UP GUYZ, & LETS TALK ABOUT WHAT THE REAL PROBLEM IS

I agree with you except for that part. Nigeria's problem is not the leaders, it is the people. If you give someone the freedom to misbehave he will always misbehave, that is how people are, the Nigerian government will never become a peoples government if we don't remind them that they are accountable to the people. I guarantee you that if Obama pardons a corrupt politician him and his friends are over and the democratic party by extension will not win another election in years but in Nigeria we just sit at home and complain. Our politicians have a system of robbing the people and getting away with it and it is working, there is no reason to stop. If Nigerians want things to change, we need to remind the Government that they are accountable to the people or we shut up.

Gej lost my vote in 2015 over this. It is the kind of stewpidity that I have no words for.

My opinion is that this is an exercise in the greatest stewpidity. Do you really expect to gain anything by making this kind of useless thread or is this meant to become another troll fest?

With all due respect if Nigeria was sufficiently working country that building would have been torn down ages ago, it just looks like an old office building. People don't go to the white house only because the president lives there, they go there because of some of the historical objects there and the fact that it is an amazing piece of architecture(it has been torn down and rebuilt a few times). The only thing that building has going for it is that Tafawa Balewa used it, that's not quite enough to ask the government to continue to maintain the entire structure even if it has no use for it.

lol. So Jonathan is to hand over the presidency to the north because it is their own? If the aforementioned was true and Jonathan's running would cause the country to disintegrate then I would pray for it to happen, descending into anarchy because a man wants to run for office is a clear indicator that Nigeria is not going to work so the sooner we end it the better. Also, if the people do not want Jonathan to be president in 2015 then he wont win and that is the end of that, isn't that how a democracy works?

Who allowed that ape to speak?

The Pangaea theory does not claim to account for cultural congruences among now separated populations, since the idea of Pangaea is that the earth broke off into parts 200 MILLION years ago!

How then can the idea that the earth was ONCE a single piece of land (Pangea) explain the presence of Africans in the Americas? The human race is not even up to 1 million years old. Obviously any movement/migration must have happened long after the earth split into several land masses.

Please be advised that I am not making the case for that theory before I continue, man at his current level of development isnt that old but unless you chose to discard science evolution of man took many years so it is not impossible to find a close relative somewhere else who split off a long time ago



TRUTH AGENDA YOU MEAN. Much unlike the colonial lies of irrelevance fed Africans by your masters.

Most of Africa's civilizations were based off religion and offered no much room for the things you speak off. thousands of years ago Africans did this and that, why did they stop and let the rest of the world leave them behind? if you can make a case for that I will not be so adamant in denying your claims because this is a big deal and it just doesn't make any sense otherwise.


There is no historical debate about this. The ancient Egyptians portrayed whites as the most BACKWARD race on earth in their time.

This is the famous Egyptian Mural of the Races, dated 3600 years old, found in the tomb of Rameses:


The first man (left) is Egyptian (First Of All Men). The second is an Asiatic. The third is an African. The fourth is a European.

This was the order of importance the Egyptians gave the various races.


I dunno about that but I can't argue, Julius Ceaser wrote about the german primitives in his day too, the primitives who ultimately destrpyed his empire.


[b]Jean-Francois Champollion, French historian writes regarding this mural:

"Right in the valley of Biban-el-Moluk, we admired, like all previous visitors,
the astonishing freshness of the paintings and the fine sculptures on several tombs.
I had a copy made of the peoples represented on the bas-reliefs. At first I had thought,
from copies of these bas-reliefs published in England, that these peoples of different races
led by the god Horus holding his shepherd's staff, were indeed nations subject to the rule
of the Pharaohs. A study of the legends informed me that this tableau has a more general
meaning. It portrays the third hour of the day, when the sun is beginning to turn on its
burning rays, warming all the inhabited countries of our hemisphere. According to
the legend itself, they wished to represent the inhabitants of Egypt and those of foreign
lands. Thus we have before our eyes the image of the various races of man known to
the Egyptians and we learn at the same time the great geographical or ethnographical
divisions established during that early epoch. Men led by Horus, the shepherd of the
peoples, belong to four distinct families. The first, the one closest to the god, has a dark
red color, a well-proportioned body, kind face, nose slightly aquiline, long braided hair,
and is dressed in white. The legends designate this species as Rot-en-ne-Rome, the race
of men par excellence i.e., the Egyptians. There can be no uncertainty about the racial
identity of the man who comes next: he belongs to the Black race, designated under
the general term Nahasi. The third presents a very different aspect; his skin color borders
on yellow or tan; he has a strongly aquiline nose, thick, black pointed beard, and wears
a short garment of varied colors; these are called Namou. Finally, the last one is what we
call flesh-colored, a white skin of the most delicate shade, a nose straight or slightly arched,
blue eyes, blond or reddish beard, tall stature and very slender clad in a hairy ox-skin, a
veritable savage tattooed on various parts of his body; he is called Tamhou. I hastened to
seek the tableau corresponding to this one in the other royal tombs and, as a matter of fact,
I found it in several. The variations I observed fully convinced me that they had tried to
represent here the inhabitants of the four corners of the earth, according to the Egyptian
system, namely: 1. the inhabitants of Egypt which, by itself, formed one part of the world ...;
2. the inhabitants of Africa proper: Blacks; 3. Asians; 4. finally (and I am ashamed to say so,
since our race is the last and the most savage in the series), Europeans who, in those remote
epochs, frankly did not cut too fine a figure in the world. In this category we must include
all blonds and white-skinned people living not only in Europe, but Asia as well, their starting
point. This manner of viewing the tableau is all the more accurate because, on the other
tombs, the same generic names reappear, always in the same order. We find there Egyptians
and Africans represented in the same way, which could not be otherwise; but the Namou
(the Asians) and the Tamhou (Europeans) present significant and curious variants. Instead
of the Arab or the Jew, dressed simply and represented on one tomb, Asia's representatives
on other tombs (those of Ramses II, etc.) are three individuals, tanned complexion, aquiline
nose, black eyes, and thick beard, but clad in rare splendor. In one, they are evidently
Assyrians, their costume, down to the smallest detail, is identical with that of personages
engraved on Assyrian cylinders. In the other, are Medes or early inhabitants of some part
of Persia. Their physiognomy and dress resemble, feature for feature, those found on
monuments called Persepolitan. Thus, Asia was represented indiscriminately by any one of
the peoples who inhabited it. The same is true of our good old ancestors, the Tamhou. Their
attire is sometimes different; their heads are more or less hairy and adorned with various
ornaments; their savage dress varies somewhat in form, but their white complexion, their
eyes and beard all preserve the character of a race apart. I had this strange ethnographical
series copied and colored. I certainly did not expect, on arriving at Biban-el-Moluk, to find
sculptures that could serve as vignettes for the history of the primitive Europeans, if ever
one has the courage to attempt it. Nevertheless, there is something flattering and consoling
in seeing them, since they make us appreciate the progress we have subsequently achieved."[/b]

I am obviously not reading that




Not sure how many 'boats' can last 4,000 years, waiting for you to discover them.

I am talking about the knowledge and the practice. There are many lost technologies but those are from dead cultures, Afriicans were always here, they must have learned a lot in their process to building boats with the ability to travel the seas but there is no trace of this, no sunken 3000 year old boat on the coast of Ghana or something. You claim they had such an ability, give us your theory on how they changed so much from seafaring people curious enough to travel the universe to recluse cultures that brain washed their people with stools that held the spirits of Gods.



Like all things human, it's time for decline arrived at some point. Just like the current western dominance will one day come crashing to the ground like a ton of bricks.



They brought civilization to Europe. The Greeks were never ashamed to let the world know that Africans brought civilization to them.

No you see, decline is relative. The Egyptian empire was conquered, it didn't in the general sense of the word decline, same with the persian, the roman, the austrian, the ottoman, the german empire etc. Some were simply overtaken like the british empire and that is mostly because they were suppressing a much larger group of people than themselves, don't just say they declined, give us things that at least suggest that it did.

Ýou're claims don't align with the facts of the day and since you cannot give any concrete data to support you claim I think i will stick to what already seems more plausible/reasonable to me.

mmmm natural, green and beaurifool

naijaking1:

Check this out:

https://www.google.com/search?q=sphinx&hl=en&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=C1MxUY3qMoHM0wHq0YHgAQ&ved=0CE0QsAQ&biw=1280&bih=660

Now, you wanna compare the broken noses and lips with the one one posted?

This is not a good place to shout "I dunno" Please go do your research/homework before coming here to argue facts with people like Rossikee who has obviously done his.

Rossike is in love with Africa and is biased, you the only reason you feel he is well read is because he is saying things you want to hear. Talking about Africans inventing medicine and alchemy and even mathematics, were did these scientific Africans go to? Also if I wanted to make a point I'd post a picture, you keep posting pages with numerous pictures, please post a single picture that encompasses what you mean or two pictures showing the original and the tampered image. Stop throwing thousands of pixels around without actually saying anything.

There is a theory called Pangaea that claims all continents were once joined together



Of course Rossike will not accept this off the face of it simply because it doesn't agree with his African glorification agenda that claims Africans charted the world while Europeans lived in caves. Whatever happened to the boats they used to use to do this and whatever happened to this great African civilization of world beaters, I wonder why they never went to Europe that was next door and preferred to go into the open seas. Silly silly silly.

naijaking1: Here's your own disfigured image:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olmec

That is an entire page and not an actual picture btw.

ROSSIKE:

I 've no clue where to start with this garbled, illiterate rubbish.

Of course you don't that too was naturally expected.

naijaking1:

I was almost going to be objective with you until your link showed a negroid statu with the thick lips and broad noses purposely disfigured to confuse the Africanoid features. What a shame! Just the same way racist Germans disfigured the Sphinx in Egypt to hide his African looks.

I dunno about any disfigurements, I was more interested in what was written and didn't give the pictures a second looking.

I just checked black-a-Moors and all I got was art so dunno wtf that is. Also, I don't quite see how I praised the europeans, I explained away their achievements as expected given the situation europe was in at the time, if I sadd that to a white person he would probably feel I was taking away from the people who made those achievements but whatever.

ROSSIKE:

Merely shouting your opposition in bold letters without providing even a pretence at a countervailing argument is illiterate, uncouth, and dumb.

That is funny coming from the person who did not argue away the points I raised bur just pointed a finger at me calling me a white supremacist. Many things in the world were first invented in Asia, very little in Africa, some very important ones but very little.

No one man or people invented mathematics, obviously but for your sake I checked, geometry is under math, even chimpanzees use herbs for medication so I dunno where you got that Africans inveneed medicine, alchemy was a theory that has been proven wrong dude so again wtf, how is mining an invention, you can invent mining techniques but digging is something even animals do, the 365 calender may have been dated back to ancient egypt but it wasnt the first calendar and ancient egyptians are no more so you cant quite claim that achievement and the same goes for architecture and most of these things happened long before half of the worlds civilizations existed. Also i never claimed Africans were inferior, I said they were preoccupied with useless things but you took offence anyway because your pro Africanism is blinding you.

@ROSSIKE
Your account of the Olmecs is heavily biased in favor of African glorification.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olmec

This page doesn't seem to suggest it the way you do, it is clear from your post that you are pro African.

ROSSIKE:

FOR GOODNESS SAKE, GO AND STUDY AFRICAN HISTORY BEFORE TYPING IGNORANT, RACIST RUBBISH.

Are you going to tell me the first civilizations were African? blah blah blah, that was thousands of years ago and they were heavily religious and spiritual just like those from cough cough 500 years ago, no advancement. Africans may have taken the first step toward human advancement but they certainly didn't take any other steps now did they?

The only way an African man could have found America would have been to have drifted there, you cannot get that far out to see unless you make a very large boat of which Africans never did since they had no use for it owing to the fact that they preferred to walk about naked and pray to dog shit. Africans aren't less gifted than Europeans or Asians, we just put too much stock in religion, culture and the ways of our fathers. It took many years of navigation, trial and error, death at sea etc for people to make the kinds of vessels required to travel the oceans, Europe was fully explored and the people had little to learn from the land and turned their curiosity to the oceans, eventually they got brave enough to go out into the open sea, Such a situation never existed in Africa so it is immensely unlikely whoever those heads are made from are Africa.

If we want to understand how those people look African first we must understand how man got to America in the first place given that our known Civilizations started in Africa and the Middle East.

birdman:


Then you should be happy with the way things are now. We look more developed than we were 40 years ago. I dont know why anyone thinks this thread is a good idea. It is a curse to be perpetually behind others by about a century.

At what point did I say it is okay to be behind everybody else as long as we are developing? You people are the ones who want the Naira to get stronger irrespective of what it implies, on the face of it is sounds good so nothing else matters even how it affects Nigerians markets(not saying that its getting stronger is a bad thing, before someone misquotes me), complete lack of depth. You cannot grasp what I am saying, you just pick individual sentences and take them to sum up an entire post.

The level of development is not at play here, leave the level of development alone. Rossike is just trying to visualize a time when Nigeria may be developed and he is using the only pictures of development he can find to help him visualize a little, that is wtf dreaming of the future is called, he obviously doesn't know what the future will look like so he cannot have an accurate visualization. Again this is dreaming and not planning for how to proceed so research for accuracy is never a part of it, wtf is wrong with you people!?!?!?!

Literally every post you guys make is saying the exact same thing and all I've ever done is repeat that is not the point of the thread but all you ever do is spew the same nonsense over and fvcking over again. Obviously Rossike wants Nigerian cities to be state of the art by 2050, the sheer stewpidity is beyond me and I will not punish myself by discussing it further with you lot.

I bet when the little ones in your family tell you they want to play football with Cristiano Ronaldo when they grow up you respond by telling them how Ronaldo will be old and retired instead of cheering them on as if that is the kind of attitude that will motivate them to pursue their dreams. The pictures give an image to how far behind Nigeria is, people see them and then and are moved except you come in to tell them that their dreams are stupid and will be outdated as if their dream is to make Calabar look and be on the same level at 2050 as Baltimore is today. Dreams aren't meant to be scrutinized, Rihanna dreamed of being like Madonna and considers her her idol, I don't see her wearing a blonde wig and singing Madonna's type of music. What you people need to do is a get a clue.

/RantOver. GoodDay!!

I hope that ends this argument for good.

Oh dear god, people avoid joking around you don't they? It seems like with you everything must be war. Slow down and have some fun mate.

Aside from the airplane sir, there's nothing too futuristic about the structures and its funtionality as such has been in exitence in some parts of the world.

Yes, that is because they are all real cities in the world today. I said not to take it too literally but there you go again.

Until Rossiki declares that the pics is for comic relief or comes forth with details of the picture functionality, I'm not going to jump up and down...neither will I have you bully me into taking the pictures too serious.

Common sense should tell you that, he shouldn't have to declare anything. Those pictures are snapshots of places already in existence right now and you are obviously taking it too serious asking for data and statistics. What I am asking you to do is not take is too seriously and that seems hard for you.

I've not insulted Rossiki. I merely reminded him that given his little details regarding the pictures, I've seen similar structures and its funtionality and thinks that such is will be obsolete by 2050.

Google search all the pictures and find out of where they are from then you will have all the info and history on them, the first one is singapore city, there you go. Rossike and the rest of us are only interested in the fact that they are developed cities and we are using them simply to visualize a developed Nigeria in 2050, any more than that is your own beef

What's actually causing your headache?

Honestly speaking it must be a case of someone is wrong on the internet but i will put it this way, the cities in the picture don't fucking matter so stop talking about how they will be outdated in 2050, nobody cares, all we care about is giving a face however inaccurate to our vision of a developed Nigeria.


This is not really something we should be arguing about so I will stop here

Nuzo':


Dude, calm down.

No need for insults or bursting your vains over mere pictures. I'm sure Rossiki understands this.

So you know, I appreciate Rossiki's passion for Nigeria. I also have that passion. The only difference is mine may seem more futuristic, unattainable and thereby annoying to you.

Understand that this is a public platform where as we appreciate things, its also brought under high level of scrutiny and constructive critism. Most times based on experiences.

On that grounds sir, I still maintain that its myopic to be dreaming of such level of development for 2050 when other parts of the world have attained such about 30 to 50 years back.

It wouldve been a different issue if he had provied the details and funtionality of those srtuctures.

Read my post again, I am frustrated by your lack of understanding but there is no insulting to be seen.

First of all to show that you do not understand what you are talking about there is nothing to constructively criticize so where is this constructive criticism talk coming from? Like I said these aren't official plans, Rossike doesn't expect for Calabar to look exactly like Baltimore of today in 2050 because that Calabar is a picture of Baltimore, the 4th Niger Bridge is a picture of the San Francisco bridge and all those others are pictures of real things. The plane in a Lockheed Martin(American Company) concept, it is a futuristic concept so he used that, if he had futuristic concepts of cities he'd use them too, the exact info in pictures of the state of the represented cities is NOT RELEVANT so you are not making any sense, thank you.

Nuzo':


The fact remains that what we saw in the pictures have been existence for over 30 years in some parts of this world, be it magnificient buildings in Sydney, vintage buildings in Cologne or civil engineering works in Dubai and Holland. And yes, they are functional now...it will only make sense if we strive to acheive such in the next 10 to 20 years from now. But the high tech and its funtionality as you know it now will be obsolete by 2050. That will leave Nigeria 70 years behind her western counterparts.

I speak from experience.
I've lived in some parts of the world where their structures and its funtionality is a constant work in progress. In those places, nothing can make you recognize a city you last visited in the last one year. I mean the structures and its functionality.

Rossike is not planning on erecting the buildings in the picture so why does it matter? If he had pictures of how modern cities from 2050 would look he would have used them. he is making a point, how in gods name is that difficult to understand!!?!?! Where those buildings will be in 2050 is not relevant, Rossike is not trying to copy them, what matters is that they are state of the art in their time and the hope is that Nigeria will have state of the art cities in 2050, use your brain, Jesus!! Putting a damper of someones dreams is particularly annoying when nothing calls for it.

Nuzo':
The structures and development as seen in these pictures can be found in most part of North America, Europe and Aussie and Asia. They've been in been in existence for over 30 years and plans are underway to phase them out in the next 10-20 years.

With the above facts, it means the world will still be ahead of us with 80 years difference.

Sad.

A little too literal there mate, the whole point is to say that Nigerian cities will look developed. DO you want him to make CGI of floating towers to fit a more futuristic idea of 2050?

A point of a city is not to look pretty btw, it is to be functional. Sydney is no better than Cologne that is hundreds of years old despite all its pretty structures that were built in the 1980s.

Novice1: It is good to dream, but let us dream sensible dreams.

What kind of dream is that? Sounds very pessimistic. On the one hand we have people who have taken the opportunity to bleed the nation and on the other we have people like you, content with mediocrity. Go away!!!

ROSSIKE:

We can pick up any number of issues and point to as reasons for pessimism. But an awful lot happens in 37 years. By 2050 the PIB bill would be an obscure academic issue discussed mainly by economic historians of the period.

True but Nigeria stands a better chance of getting to where you vision it will be by 2050 if the PIB passes in 2013 than if it does in 2016 for example, we certainly will be further along the development scale. My biggest interest in 2013 though is electricity, this administration has made it a point to pursue that, if we do achieve significant progress here in 2013 then I will be confident that we can get there in that time.

You really do have confidence in the direction Nigeria is going. I am not so optimistic what with the PIB debate having no end in sight etc.

Yoruba_Omoge:

Understand that Korea is a communistic country with no "power of the people". The choices are made and enforced by the Government.
In Nigeria, the people have a louder voice than the governor. It'd be harder because even if a Governor is doing the right thing with no immediate positive effect, the people can decide to uproot him. Which may or may not lead to a criminal substitute.

If you understand what I'm trying to say.

Your mistake is that you do not know that there are two Korean countries, North Korea and South Korea, he is talking about capitalist South Korea because communist north Korea is a poor country that nobody wants to live in so yeah, North and Soouth Korea split in the 50s and within 30 years South Korea was a first world country. It is generally plausible for Nigeria to be a superstate developmentally in 2050 but with crap like tribalism and the fact that we are not starting from scratch its probably gonna take a bit longer.

HNosegbe: When Fashola tries to clean up Lagos so that we can at least see a semblance of order, some myopic goons will begin to accuse him of tribalism.

Achieving the aesthetic quality painted by the OP will require a complete pulling down and redesign of our cities. Shanties will need to be destroyed, roads will need to be widened, drainages need to be cleared, and many people will be made homeless.

How many Nigerians will appreciate a leader who attempts to make such changes?

Cleaning up of cities by itself doesn't help the people themselves, it needs to go hand it hand with an increase in purchasing power of the people so that a lot of those lesser income people will be at a level were they can afford to live in the estates and low end condos. Just ejecting them without creating job opportunities for Nigerians at large will rightfully get you major resistance so its not all black and white.

Yoruba_Omoge: ROSSIK,

You have something against Ekiti?

unless I have not understood your post, here is one of Nigeria's problems.