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hey c0dec

why prefer the dualshock to the 360's pad?

i'd like to know. Ive always been of the opinion that playstation controllers were the worst part of the console,

1) the centre-less d-pad means that fighting games (sf style) are poorly controlled and corners are badly defined.

2) the design was a simple rip-off of the SNES pad but with no attention to the features that made that pad so good- only to visual similarity (confusing button notation, dim colouring on keys, two rows of shoulder buttons)

3) the force feedback was so bad it made many people have a wrong impression of 'rumble' for a long time. I myself was ignorant until I played HALO on the xbox 1 and later episode 1 racer on the N64. The owners of force feedback should sue sony for sabotage

4) the analogue sticks were so hastily tacked on in response to the n64 that the left stick was located wrongly (below instead of above) meaning that proper 3d gameplay was still secondary on the original ps until ps2 came out, and even then much thumb-aching abounded.

5) no triggers! no REAL fps gameplay,


with all these shortcomings, the ps2 pad is still a good controller. In time we all memorised the xo^[] thingy, and got used to the horrible d-pad (i have an overlay for my psp. It silenced all the dissenters), and got used to r1 and r2 ( l2 is still mania for most, me included)

however, i dont think its up to the standard of the 360 controller!

The 360 controller is based on controller S for the xbox, which is in my opinion the best firstparty controller i have ever used. It falls slightly short (oversensitive and corner-happy d-pad, slight shape change, loose analogue sticks) but has some improvements (black/white buttons are now shoulder buttons, genius, triggers are analogue, SUPER GENIUS!!!!!)

apart from its perfect shape, it has TRUE force feedback (play halo 2, dual wield any weapons, and see), a properly positioned left analogue stick, a d-pad with a centre, triggers (analogue, did i say that before? witness pedal-accelerator control in Need for speed!!!!!), depressable analogue sticks (for crouching in fps, another genius move), clear colour-coding and alphabetical notation on face buttons.

Now with all the above, you can see why I feel I need to know exactly what the dualshock has to offer over the 360 controller. I want to know if im missing something, or am i just decieving myself about the 360's controller?

@tp:

jeeeeezus christ! abeg check ya mail

if u mean how much does a card with 64mb vram cost, then youl;l have many prices. Like i said earlier, the vram is not a big deal with gfx cards, it is the brand of the card that determinhes the porice. U can get a 64mb geforce4mx for 6-8k thereabouts. geforce2's are cheaper but 64megs arent that common (made a mistake earlier on, gomen)

if you are asking about buying VRAM sepertely, sorry, you can't do that.

i use an LG LSP3000. Perhaps that causes the difference, but then i ask you, how is the phone connected? If it is via a serial cable, then I beg u do not pay any attention to whatever your monitoring software says (they lie sometimes)

the best test is just to fire up DAP or getright, max out connections and see what it pulls. Everything else is a lie!

@Saddam:

I use Ares, Azureus and limewire on my starcomms PC. It is indeed possible to configure them to work but just so we are clear the problem is NOT from your PC. As long as u have the right ports open and have the correct exceptions, there is NO reason you should have any more problems.

All the other stuff u have to do on the p2p client are WORKAROUNDS that are poorly supported. Use azureus and see the number of yellow faces you get. Practically any p2p client u use will classify u as a 'leecher' and lower your priority (hence lowering your download speed)

Starcomms does NAT and that causes a problem. Just so you understand, download azureus and take their 'NAT test'.



@K9 eyaa. does DOPC do the download limit thing? I first heard of it from their side waaaaay back in the day. If they have stopped it, i beg pls tewll me of your experiences speed-wise. I need something that will do above 100kbps

thanks

Goodguy, a firmware upgrade is only a good idea when u are sure u dont mind the consequence of doing it wrongly- ie a dead video card (meaning a dead motherboard in your case). Also firmware upgrades for integrated graphics are not a good idea.

If your vidcard is integrated, getting more video ram may not help you very much, since it is shared memory we're talking about. Youll be able to load bigger textures, but the card will slow down, making games worse. If you want to enjoy your games, consider getting :

1) a motherboard with at least AGP. AGP is important, ask for it. DO NOT use on-board video for games, its a bad idea.
2) an AGP video card with at least T&L (any Geforce or radeon card)

You won't play the latest games, but you will be MUCH better off than what you currently have, which is absolutely unsuited for good gameplay.

You can get the above rather cheap. geforce 2MX go for about 4k or less in ikeja, and an open motherboard with AGP may set you back about 8k depending on your processor. its hard to find a geforce 2 with less than 64megs of video ram if thats what you are looking for.

Good luck!


(if you are an omo-olowo (rich man pickin) or a rich man (big boy) yourself, then what you need is a pci-express (NOT PCI!!!!!) motherboard and a pci-e video card like the geforce 7000 series or radeon x series cards. But you may need to import 'em from outside, )

the guy who said he gets 70-230k from starcomms: you lie. The starcomms phone is connected via 115.2kbps serial, it CANNOT go any higher. Its normal speed is 9.6kps (i kid you not. I am typing this from a starcomms line) and it can reach 86.4kbps late at night or on public holidays, but the highest burst i usually see is 48kbps.

Also starcomms has some nonsense they do to stop u from sharing the connection, so it may seem slow because they block 'excessive' connections. That means that stuff like bittorent has problems unless u configure it. Even worse, they do NAT which causes almost all p2p programs to choke.

For those of u who just want to browse, its ok. Afterall I use it. But for serious downloaders out there, dont bother.



QUESTION:

Does anyone know whether the starcomms EVDO service has download limits like that nonsensical NETCOM (no offense to netcom lovers, im sure u enjoiy your high speed browsing, but as for me, a 1 gig download limit is more than a rip-off, it is a CRIME for which they deserve to be sued.)

Also does anyone know whether evdo offers 300kbps like starcomms claims, or any net service in the country that offers 300kbps without NETCOM's idiotic download limits.

@tp

Yeah 100% USB. detected even without the driver download (but unusable)

When you do download the driver, it works with all pad-supported games (even dmc3) and many games that are on 360 already (tr:legend and nfs:most wanted tested) have extended support. with 1.2 patch for TRL it has rumble, and identifies the buttons (x,y,a,b) correctly (w00t!)

NFSMW also identifies all keys correctly (but stupidly does not refer to them in menus, forcing u to use the keyboard for certain menu selkections, stupid) and has a rumble-ON switch that does not work () on my system. Pity, cos nfs needs rumble more than TRL

Also u know the triggers (L,R) are analogue? NFS has suport for using them as accelerator/brake and it makes a HUGE difference to how the game is played!!!!! more and more like real driving!~

Finally, if you so desire u can use XBCD hacked drivers, that allow non-360-aware games to support rumble, and to use the triggers as igital, rather than analogue input (many games have probs with that). Havent tried it yet, though. Will require uninstalling the official driver.

the 360 truly is the best pad for the pc! 4-5 grand at alaba, u can negotiate lower since its the wired one only.

SL45 uses a serial connection.

It is old, slow and could frustrate you terribly. Plus it is unstable. You are better off getting a more recent phone, the SL45 is totally yesterday's news.

touche,

I still take exception to quite a number of your points, and the hanging thing still needs to be explained, but my carelessness in dismissing your fact about the 1ghz thing appears to have shot my credibility to pieces.

Interestingly, I based my confidence on a memory of an article from back then, talking about the first thunderbirds (950mhz) and AMD's claims that they would outperform the 1ghz plus pentium4's.

Another article on emulators.com (rather famous, u prolly read it) also dissected the p3 and p4 and went to great lengths to explain intel's reluctance to allow p3's cross the 1ghz barrier, lest they are shown to be blatantly superior to comparatively clocked p4's- manifested in their handling of tualatin. The article gave the impression that AMD had not crossed 1ghz at that time. I suppose reading it again will manifest that as a false assumption,

Ah well. I suppose for the purposes of this thread I should concede to you since you obviously have a more stable basis for your arguments. Nonetheless, you may wish to do a bit of research on the athlon64 to determine the origin of my position.

Hmmm.

I was going to aologize for the point 3 citation thing, but I guess that will need to wait, cos you comitted the exact same blunder yourself, if your explanation is to be taken seriously.

I did NOIT tell cristino not to go c2d because of low closck speeds. for the sake of osutompolor's kunu-filled beard I am the person here that has been arguing in FAVOUR of lower clock speeds, for Jesus' sake. If you BOTHER to read my posts AT ALL you will see that i acknowledge that the c2d beats AMD at every turn!

my points are:

1) before c2d, Intel has been clearly behind AMD. this is so glaringly obvious and such common knowledge that I cant imagine why the hell I am even bothering to give this issue time of day! For GOD'S sake are you ttrying to tell me there was a single prescott processor that even smelt AMD's rear lights in terms of performance? If you are then all I can say is, oh dear.

2) the c2d is intel's AMD-killer, AND IT DOES SO WITH A LOWER CLOCK SPEED, THUS PROVING MY POINTS!!!!

3) I say christino should NOT go for c2d's not because of low clock speeds BUT BECAUSE THEY ARE STILL SHINING NEW AND THUS OVERPRICED! Look, we all live in Naija. Maybe u live in jand or yankee where its cool to get yesterday's processor NOW. In naija that dont work. No tech support, no compatible hardware, no nothing. He's better off waiting a year for ikeja to become c2d compliant

BUT I ALREADY SAID THIS. READ MY FR!CKIN POSTS.



As for the other issues you raised,


(a) the hanging=slow thing was tjust to make you see that the difference between amd and intel had become so great that even end-users could see it. of course any blithering retarded mongoloid slowpoke knows that hanging doesnt EQUAL slow. HOWEVER THIS IS HOW THE USERS WILL COMMUICATE THEIR EXPERIENCES. Jesus.

The hanging thing is by no means p[roof thyat amd has been consistently killing prescotts for over a year. THAT is pure common sense AND common knowledge.

(b)
for jesus sake read my posts and stop jumping to conclusions based on a cursory scan of the contents. i say benchmark tests lie not because anyone is paying anyone off. I say benchmark tests lie because they, aaagh read my posts. I dont have to keep repeating myself. Ive said this exact thing already. Read the old post and respond to that, if you take exception with it.


finally your quip about first gigahertz processor coming from AMD is utter and complete bullshit. Please edit it out of your post before it discredits you, because most of what you have written, even if it conflicts with my views, is quite insightful and well-supported (i imagine that that is your main issue with me, I dont support my facts as well as u do) but THIS ALONE is pure bullshit. Go read up on the AMD thunderbirds, and on the twilight days of the p3, including the lil tidbits on the legendary tualatin processors. Much wisdon awaits you there.

naijafan.

Asking for citations for point 1 is ridiculous for obvious reasons. What do you need, an interview?!! jesus. It is an informal description of a daily occurence, and the only thing backing it is my credibility. If you choose to believe I pulled that whole story out my arse for no reason whatsoever than to oppose your point of view, you are entitled to that opinion. Sheesh.

You do NOT need a citation for point 2. It is not a statement of fact based on reference, it is merely a statement of fact based on pure common sense. A benchmark measures WHAT IT MEASURES and nothing more. You dont need a citation to figure that out. The extrapolation required to translate a benchmark test into a reasonable estimate of performance is highly subjective and problem-dependent, but uit is easyu to bamboozle the general public with big numbers, so hardware vendors just post them anyway and leave you to jump to your own wrong and inevitably 'seeded' conclusions.

I do not need to cite anything for point 3. just head to intel.com and check the advertised clock speeds for c2d's. And, if you say that you need 'proof' or a 'citation' that two cores running at a certain clock speed is in no way similar to one core running at twice its clock then I have nothing more to say.

yo c0dec

u know its possible to hook a 360 pad up to a pc with nothig more than a simple driver dowload from Msoft?

by far superior to the ps2 pad in my opinion,

*sigh*

ok. I decided not to be more explicit previously, but I'll interpret the responses from naijafan, romulus and christino as requests for such.

I'll just request that u guys take a seat, relax, and let me do a little talking.gonna be a long post. Not trying to put anyone down here, hope we all understand! And if anyone has an issue, lets just put it up and settle it like men, so this thread becomes an informative one to anyone who comes here wanting to know thw answer to "AMD vs Intel: Which Is Better?"


aaight, first Romulus.

1) it is not a given that a 64bit chip will outperform a 32bit chip
2) with CPUs, speed and performance are the same thing, so one company can't be after speed while the other is after performance.

explanations:

1) When you call a chip an 'x' bit chip, you are generally talking about word length. When word lenghts were still one or two bytes long (8 and 16-bit chips), it made a HUGE difference when you moved from one to another, because all of a sudden a task that took several instructions suddenly took a few. you didnt have to muck about with lsb and msb as much as usual (u sound like a comp.sci/ee person so i guess u know what that means, ) and so your speed increased dramatically.

Then we go to a default word length of Dword, which is what 32-bit chips have. Suddenly your integer range is from 0 to close to 5 billion. Not many people within the common problem domain need that kind of precision very frequently, so suddenly the operations that get a speed boost are not as common. Nonetheless, 32-bit chips gain prominence around the time of RISC development and many of the advantages of RISC procs (which btw are not actually due to risc itself but thats another story) are attributed to 32-bit procs. Similarly, the ablity to natively adress up to 4 gigs of RAM without mucking about with segments and offsets (pleeeease im begging with tears in my eyes, dont get bored, just listen, ) meant we had to deal with stuiff that previosuly was not feasible on chips with less adressing power- so we add stuff like protected mode, pre-emptive multitasking etc and the mass media trumpets all this as '32-bit features' when, even though these are xtixs of 32bit chips, have nothing to do with the word length.

fastforward to 1996. The 64-bit brigade comes in trumpeting, and all of a sudden it is glaringly apparent that there is little you can add to a chip that requires a higher word length. Oh there are high precision applications, but specialised chips are available to handle such.

for a decade we use 32-bit chips on our desktops.

All of a sudden , today a use has emerged for 32-bit chips:addressing memory above 4 gigs. All of a sudden 64-bit is the new buzzword. Intel tries to do the 'old thing' and use it as an excuse to totally re-invent the processors design. AMD just puts out the same old processors with double-sized registers, 64-bit extensions to the instruction set, and a longer word length and slaps on the name 'athlon 64'.

Guess who succeeded?

in short: word length is not only overrated, you are probably not using it, and if you decide to go thru the wahala of reinstalling windows and all your drivers just to be '64-bit compliant', goodluck telling the difference.




2)

You say that since an amd has a clock speed less than the pri number, their chips are slower, and somehow have better 'performance' due to 'pipeline bursts' and 'ppc' or whatever.

unfortunately you fail to define what you mean by 'speed'. So let me help out.

processors consist of multiple units, the ones that concern us being the alu and control unit. the ALU is the 'powerhouse' where the work is done, and the control unit is the bit that makes it all happen in the realm of reality, by imposing real-world controls on the electron flow that cause the logic to actually make sense. In short, tha ALU does not function without the control unit. The control unit tells registers when to shift, pushes insructions down the pipeline. The work is done th teh arithmetic/logical unit (ALU)

now a major component of the control unit is the clock. The clock is an oscillator that ticks so many times a second, with each clock tick creating a burst of energy that moves the processor forward one 'state'. The reason the speed of the clock has always been associated with processor speed is:

based on chip design, if you run a processor clock too fast you will destroy the processor. SO a better processor accomodates a higher clock. So a faster clock means more performance!!!!


however if we take this out of context we are commiting a DANGEROUS BLUNDER, one that intel has succesfully capitalised on for at least 3 years of marketing underperforming processors. ALlow me to explain.

now when we say clock speed, we mean exactly that: CLOCK SPEED and NOT processor speed. we are talking about the speed of the clock. If i take a chip and attach a control unit with a higher clock speed, that does not fry the electronics of the chip, i will get a proportionately better performing chip! However, if i simply replace the ALU of the chip with a better, more efficient one, I also get a better performing chip!

we are measurng the performance on WORK DONE PER UNIT TIME. in short, SPEED.

get that? what you call 'performance' or 'muscle' is nothing more than SPEED.

and what you call SPEED is nothing more than CLOCK SPEED, which is supposed to be a VARIABLE in the calculatiuon of actual SPEED!!!!!!!

so!

to rewrite your statement:

original: Intel is after speed and AMD is after peformance

correct: Intel is after CLOCK SPEED and AMD is after ACTUAL SPEED

which shows that, at the end of the day, intel is after a BIGGER NUMBER THEY CAN PUT ON THE BOX TO MISLEAD THOSE WHO CANNOT OTHERWISE TELL WHAT SPEED THEIR PROCESSOR IS AT , while amd is after A HIGHER SPEED EVEN IF IT MEANS THEY HAVE TO INVENT A NUMBER TO PUT ON THE BOX.

amd's prc numbers are nothing more than customer information saying 'we are as fast as an intel proessor clocked at this speed' so that customers are not misled!

pipeline bursts, ppc and so on are all measures of SPEED!!!! we are ALWAYS talking about SPEED! there is nop disconnect between SPEED and PERFORMANCE! CLOCK SPEED is just a VARIABLE used in finally determining the EFFECTIVE SPEED! clock speed is the speed at which the control unit orders things along! it has nothing to do with the proc except for the idea of chip design acommodating higher speeds! MY P4 3.0GHZ WAS DESIGNED TO ACCOMODATE 3000 MILLION CLOCK TICKS PER SECOND AT THE EXPENSE OF ACTUAL PROCESSING SPEED! INTEL SACRIFICED VALUE FOR A NUMBER THAT I COULD USE TO BRAG TO MY AMD-OWNING FRIENDS!

my p4 uses deep pipelines to accomodate a higher clock speed. any compsci person in the house knows how DAFT this decision is. the longer your pipeline, the worse your penalty for branch misprediction or any other thing that could cause a pipeline flush. stupid? well it helps to bamboozle customers!

this brings me to the next dude,

NAIJAFAN

yes, I did say ordinary users.

remember what i was saying to romulus just now about customer bamboozling? well, it works when the difference is so small that only gamers (eyes fixed on the fps meter) or video encoding people (looking at encode times) ever notice the difference. Well, recently, intel dumped the netburst (pentium 4) architecture and fired a whole load of top-level staff responsible for it. what could prompt such, pray tell? simple.

people notice 2 things about prescott-class (read: modern day) pentiums:

they are hot.
they hang.

Aha, you say. Hanging doesnt mean slowness. It means instability. They should keep the procs cool. Except that, this 'hanging' is how an 'ordinary user' would describe what we compsi types would call 'blocking conditions'

computers nowadays are so fast that frequently, the hardware is able to do stuff at a speed where it makes itself available to a process but is not released by the previous one because it is still 'computing' and needs some time to finish. this is in contrast to the old days when we were always adding RAM and disk space since those were the bottlenecks. nowadays, most of us talk about 'cache', because we already have too MUCH ram and disk space. We now get to ACTUALLY SEE a process working, while the rest of the computer goes idle. And this, my dear friend, is what a user means when he says 'its hanging'.

he means: explorer is blocking. taskbar is blocking. WORD is blocking. IE is blocking. Printer drivers are blocking.

Now I work for a Bank that has deployed over a thousand machines in head office alone. I write code and have to suport it at the same time (stupid i know, tell my bosses). Most of the time I get calls about 'hanging' and people BEG me to install on the 'black pcs' or if they read the cases,

'the athlons'.

why?

they dont 'hang' as much!

translation: they are faster!

and the reason for this is that netburst enabled amd to gain a ridiculous advantage in pure speed, hoping that no-one would notice. Unfortunately, this did not turn out to be the case!



Oh, and finally I meant it: benchmark tests lie. And im not talking about nvidia tweaking drivers or whatnot. Im saying that such things as 'super pi' or whetstone calculation tests do just that- test how fast you can calculate flops or super pi. Finish. The ultimate benchmark test is just to USE the damn computer. And when one is noticeably snnappier than the other, aaaaaaaha.

my point: in the past, no-one cared about the CPU cos it was memory, vidcard, etc you looked at. But TODAY, cpus suddenly matter. because people realised AMD is faster.




finally,

CHRISTINO

its simple why your bros comp is faster. BOTH your cpus are capable of running the games smoothly. however BOTH your vidcards are most definitely NOT. his vidcard is obviously better than yours, making your cpu advantage moot, cos your extra CPU power is useless (since you are both GPU-limited and not CPU-limited).

cpu-limitation only occurs when both test systems are maxed out on gfx power. At that point slowdowns due to ai, etc will determine the winner.


I use an ati radeon X800XT 256mb GDDR3. prior to that I used an ATI RADEON 9800 PRO 128MB. no matter what the speed of whoever's laptop came to my 'battle chamber' was, or whoever's gaming pc i got to play on, my p4 2.26 GHZ beat them all mercilessly due to the superpowered vidcard. Only when i began to do cpu-limited stuff (dreamcast emulation, video compression for my PSP) did the inadequacy of my main proc become apparent.



conclusion: As you rightly poiint out, for many applications, the cpu-type is not important, because they will eprform identically and the deision will be left to peripherals (in this case vidcards). HOWEVER this is a thread about which proc is better, implying that WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING CPU LIMITED! running a risk asset schedule computetion program is one, which is why my users kow the differenct between processors. Playing emulated games is another, which is why me (and many in my circle of friends) will laugh at any person that yans about intel being faster. (disclaimer: c2d has defeared AMD. but I accounted for that earlier and explained why i dont advise buying it. PLUS c2d's are low-clock processors)



So there we are. a whole load of ranting. PS absolutely NO PART of the above post is useless grammar intended to confuse the reader. IT IS ALL RELEVANT so please read and shoot down any parts you feel need shooting, but please indicate the bits you agree with in order to keep discussion civil and short. If any bit is unclear its my fault and i will be glad to explain further. Thanks to all.

no i do not.

which is why i wont just go to a website and 'learn' from what amounts to paid coroporate junk, even worse than hearsay.

in my very before, AMD has thrashed intel consistently. So much so that even ordinary users (ie non-gamers, non-hardware freaks) notice it instantly.

in my very before, in fact right now, intels processors are noisy, steaming overheating pieces of junk (i still love my p4 630 anyway, despite the horrible whine it disturbs me with day and night)

as for power pack- i think you are right. But then abeg dont suggest pc outlet. Thats where all d rich kids go to buy ikeja-grade stuff for 8 times the price. They would NEVER have something as hardcore as a power supply minus case there, talkless of a SIX HUNDRED WATT POWER SUPPLY!!!! aaaaargh!!!!!

bros. the SLI and crossfire dual video card story is a completely different one from dual core CPU's. If you want make i explain please ask, I dont want to come across as a pretentious asshole by yanning too much grammar without being asked to- but rest assured it is a completely different beast!

finally, there are three types of liars in this world: chronic liars, damned liars and benchmark tests. John C dvorak said that back in '95 and its still valid today. Believe not the benchmark tests. THEY LIE. once more if u want an explanation, ask!

dude, cool down

we no understand wetin u dey talk

maybe if u just gist rather than quoting all those paid-marketing-shill sites we will hear u

wey pesin fit find 600w power supply for naija enh? plus nepa wahala w that kind of 'power'. Jesus christ. even to find 400w power for my non-overclocked prescott power guzzler w all d hard disks and x800 radeon i go put for motherboard it was still hell.

which one is athlon douple processor concept yadda yadda. me i no understand, im too dumb. I do know that dual core athlons are yesterdays news, so at least i know u arent claiming amd doesnt have a dual core processor out. You aren't, are you?

em, dude. You spend 3 paragraphs running intel down by claiming that if you super-overclock a previous gen proc it outperforms a current gen proc (you think?!! duhhhh) and also claiming that the figures dont add up as per bang for buck (ehen. say something new. No be intel?!!)

Then at the end of all that, you take a shot at a processor that has soundly beaten every single intel processor chip till date (save the c2d, which you appear to think is trash cos it doesnt compare w an overclocked chip that chops double power) while remaining cheaper and claim that it is a waste of money?!?!?!?

duuuuh. My brain needs a reboot,

oops!!!!

gomen nasai! I meant 512 MEGS

lololololol sorry bout dat

well, you be big boy so u get d koin.

Me I need to save ma moolah.

Anytime someone almost convinces me to get a laptop I always end up thinking of the POWER of the desktop I could build w the same kishi,  and that is always the deciding factor. My total hard disk space is now close to a terabyte (990 gigs, 3 250gig deives and 2 120gig drives). i havetwo cpus, one with a radeon x800 256mb ddr, the other with radeom 9800 pro. I have a spare radeon 9200 sitting around and onboard s3 savage. all 3 radeons have tv out with the x800 havng avivo video capture and Hi DEF component video out. I have a satellite suround sound set up with a super woofer, a super multi dvd rom/ram/cdr/rw drive (48x, 8x dvd, dual layer writing) with 512 megs in 1 cpu and 1 gig of 333mhz ram in the other cpu (the one with the stupid overheating p4 630 3.0 ghz HT) bluetooth. wireless optical peripherals. The WORKS

All for less than one laptop that doesnt match EITHER of the cpus in power.

dude. He no go work. Even if i add my xbox 360 to the price of everything (and my starcomms internet line) he still no go reach the quarter million u guys splash on 'the' laptops.

big bros, rememba say me wey dey talk about the power of AMD sef don go buy p4.

reasons: a c2d will require you to change EVERYTHING. mobo, power supply, case, fan, the works. even your video card may need to change if u havent been using pci express. In short, u go buy new compurra. On top that it is expensive as %%!$$%!$#.

Of course all that is grammar if na laptop u dey buy, in which case just head to ikeja and hook up w some yahoo boys. but no be me an u dey take dat route. me I hate laptops cos they are non upgradeable and too expensive, but that is an opinion. I know 100% of other human beings on earth LOVE laptops and I no dey follow dem argue.

so why did yours truly, who claims that amd is the holy grail, go and suffer myself buying a stupid overheating p4? simple- In ikeja so many ppl have the brainwashed mindset that 'intel is better cos, its, intel, ' and 'clock speed=performance so all these high clock speeds mean intel is faster!' both of which are lies. It was impossible to find a good athlon mobo+cpu, so i had to grudgingly settle for a p4. I bought 630 cos it is suppoosedly one of the best prescotts as per overheating, with all kinds of ogbonge tekinoloji (speedstep, 31c halt state etc) designed to minimize overheating. End result? 90 degrees plus, ages spent searching ikeja on foot for thermal paste and a better fan. Na god save me sef wey d processor no go fry and die.

in short: why MUST you have dual core? in todays world dual core processors are more a waste of money, if you are not running SMT software, and am sure u aint. Fashi dual core an get yasef a nice single core proc, save ya money, wait for core duo price to come down next year at which point ikeja will be swarming with them. Simple. Or if you MUST get dual core, get someone to import a dfual athlon 64 for u from "away"

(please excuse the bad spellings, )

Donmayor I beg you steer clear of the pentium D. You will live to regret it.

You go chop 'ween' with cache contention and overheating (even without that suicidal overclocking you want to go and do,  overclocking prescott? dude don't go there!)

I have a pentium 630 3.0ghz ht and it is hell to keep it running below 60degrees. When i first bought it it regularly hit 90 degrees, and even now it is constatly running its fan at 4500rpm, I can hear the horrible loud whine from my open case.

also zeb, and everyone else, please understand this:

CLOCK SPEED MEANS NOTHING.

That is not 100% true, but the full explanatin would make this post too long. Just accept it like that: clock speed is no measure of performance. For proof, check out the speed of the fastest chip on the market: intel's core 2 duo. none is up to 3GHZ yet they leave the 3+ghz pentium 4s and pentium Ds in the dust

there is only one thing certain of a higher clock speed: MORE HEAT. MORE POWER CONSUMPTION.

so higher clock speeds are BAD

what you WANT to measure is:

PERFORMANCE PER CLOCK CYCLE

multiply that by clock speed and you have power. an amd rated 3000 will smoke a p4 3.0ghz mercilessly. I know this because I have tested them right in front of my eyes with various cpu-heavy applications (chankast and XVID). THERE IS NO COMPETIEION.

amd has been destroying p4's for years.

AT THE MOMENT the intel core 2 duo is better than anything amd has out, but it is an EXTREMELY RECENT DEVELOPMENT. If you are buying anyhting less than EXTREME CUTTING EDGE, amd is a better deal by far, and intels old reliability advantage does not hold,  overheating chips are NOT reliable.

oh, and finally, prescott p4s (like the pentium d donm,ayor wants to punsih himself with) are even worse than reglar p4's due to their deep pipelines. What that means is that if i don't write my code in a special way, minimizing pipeline flushes, i will perform even WORSE than my already bad power x clock speed ratio. The core 2 has fixed this problem with short pipelines, but once agan, core 2 duo is EXTREME CUTTING EDGE and we havent seen amd's answer to it yet.

Padawan? hah! 'tis talk like that that causes warriors such as myself to head to the dark side "we will give you a seat on the council but not the rank of master" indeed, !!!

I concede the magneto hit. Was careless. Some mook mentioned it on the extras disc for xmen2 (ie mystique brotherhood boss) and I didnt bother to double-check before running my mouth. I stand corrected.

I noticed you gave up with the debunking, but just so u know how that pointless argument can be stretched forever let me show u a few rejoinders:

1) Yes, she is still invisible. As an omega level mutant, she can sense (telepathically of course) who-and-who worldwide is looking at her image, wherever it may be, and blank it out sharpsharp. If you can manipulate subatomic particles, this should be easy as pie

2) Since when was mass a requirement for the functioning of telekinesis? TK arguably works not by energising molecules, but by manipulating the relationship between molecules and energy- a phenomenon rooted in the fact that matter and energy are in fact composed of the same fundamental particles! So an omega-level psi mutant can manipulate pure, raw, energy!

3) and so on till we pass out. Look, dude, someone wanted to turn jean grey into God so they came up with all this. Dont sweat the argument!



> Forge is not a wuss. He made a time machine. Now how cool is that? Besides he dumped storm to her face and she cried (YES CRIED) like a baby. making matters worse, mystique was insane in the head at that time (imagine the insult!). Black panther is so influential I have never seen references to him outside of letters pages and encyclopedia articles. Not even a cameo appearance anywhere!!!!!

> So u like star trek, eh? I wish I was one of u guys really. But I tried and tried and never succeeded. *sigh*

kai! tp u really cut loose on dblock o!

Chill for the guy now. He sounds like a nice enough guy!

Hey dblock, it really is a BIG achievement that the pcsx2 guys have made. U annoyed TP temporariliy by calling them illiterates,  name-calling causes more probs than it solves lololol! I should know! TP's a nice guy im sure he forgives you,  and will show u where to get DS roms too, lololol! 

pcsx2 is very close to prime-time. It plays ffx at 17fps on my computer (p4 630 3.0ghz hyperthreading with 1gig RAM and ati radeon x800 256mb gddr) which is a start. The image-quality of the graphics is stunning.

Also, I personally do not like Visualboy advance, because its system requirements are too high for a GBA emulator. PCs are fast enough to play the games, but that is no excuse. When porting VBA to PSP it was shown for the sloooooooooooooooooooow nonsense it is. In fact becaue of that it was a belief for a long time that GBA emulation was not going to happen on the PSP (hah! THAT has been disproved)

@viera

Dont get seun started on the whole psi-power thing o! hes been reading too many marvel comics written by certain writers that took the idea of psi-powers to ridiculous levels. I personally dont agree with such 'supermanisation' of marvel heroes, but let me give you an idea of how those powers u mention could be related to psi-power:

healing- simple. Use telekinesis to manipulate the chemical structure of surrounding atoms into replacement tissue

invisible- either manipulate their thoughts so they 'believe' they dont see you, or telekinetically anipulate the photons of light sop they bend around you and render you invisible

speed- just levitate yourslf real fast. If like phoenix your telekinesis lets you move planets, that should be easy. manipulate air molecules so you dont burn up due to friction.

etc etc etc. Ye3s, I agree with you it is ridiculous. That is why that argument must not be allowed to start!




Secondly  I will deal with your beef with me! Hah! How dare you claim that others can make lightsabers! If you mean those mass-produced lightsabers used by desanns reborn ill have u know they were made by groups of force-users who are only different fron jedi by ideology and training! yes!!! A REAL lightsaber is built by making minute adjustments to the crystal core of the handle that can ONLY be possible with the use of the force, so only jedi can do it, so there!!!!!!


magneto founder of the brotherhood- No, not true. The original brotherhood was mystique, the blob, rogue, pyro and one other dude. Mystique/rogue were mother/daughter. Magneto's team are the ACOLYTES. Prior to that magnus acted alone. It took ALL the x-men to face him alone, he needed no help. Wikipedia has some info on all this i think.


Yeah you are right,  Magnus has been an xman longer than mystique and has indeed led the x-men. He was also the 'founder' of the x-men during the age of apocalypse and even killed apocalypse single handedly yadda yadda yadda. Look ok, magneto is the MAN he is the BOMB that is true but just because somebody got A1 doesnt belittle someone else's A2 now!!!! Mystique is still kool.


Storm married BLACK PANTHER?!?!?!?!? bwahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!! jesus christ what a joke! I hope they seperate them quickquick that is just an insult to storm!!!!! Kai my dear, forge no be loser. Mystique na WINNER. forge vs black panther pleeeeeeease!!!!! )

Hey cassidy

Sorry if i come across as a bigmouthed jerk or an overly loud a$$hole.  I'm so sorry, but sometimes you have to shout and wave your hands around to get people to listen.

points:

1.
I never said SS should never marry- I said that is my *father's* opinion, and he is a gynaecologist, a fellow of the west african college no less. I used it to point out that I expect a doctor with experience of these things to have a more severe view than mine. I believe SS should marry if they find someone they love, who is AA. At least then the kids will survive for sure.

2.
Saying AS+AS ahould never happen is NOT the same as saying AS+AA should never happen.

AS+AA will NEVER PRODUCE A SICKLER [/B] and that is the big difference.

I don't care about eradicating ss or whatnot.

There are already too many bloody illiterates and selfish, insensitive, murderous morons like that person who called AS+AS a 'flimsly excuse' (sorry if I just insulted a friend, but I have no respect for people who talk out their buttocks in an effort to trivialise a serious issue) for that to happen.

The issue is [b] WE DO NOT WANT TO PRODUCE SS CHILDREN WHO WILL SUFFER and if you go into an AS AS marriage you have shown that you think your own happiness is enough of an excuse to ruin another persons life forever.





Finally let me say I have an overflowing of respect for you and your decision- I assure you you have NO IDEA how much suffering you have just alleviated. It puts you in the same league as the most selfless heroes of our time and I am not joking or trying to patronize you. The pain of an SS child is something you had the power to prevent and you did, at the expense of your own (short term) happiness- even though you say it wasnt due to the genotype thing, it still has the same effect.

Thanks for listening and God bless you for what you have decided to do.

the answer is quite simple: AMD.

intel recently fired the entire executive team responsible for the disaster that is prescott, the newest and last pentium 4.

for 2 years plus now, intel has been so far behind amd in terms of performance, (even when overclocked, mr @New, which you DONT want to do with a toasty prescott anyway) that it has been a joke.

the only reason they are still alive is that the public at large still have blind trust for anything 'intel'

the prescott runs insanely hot, i should know- i have a hyperthreading p4 3.0 ghz (630) and i had to battle with thermal paste and temp monitors before i got it to run at a good temp- TWICE trhe temp of my old p4 2.26 ghz (northwood)

please dont mislead people into buying the current crop of p4s, they overheat and are unreliable. AMD is the clear winner at the moment.

google 'prescott' if you need proof.

PS: intel now has the most powerful cpu on the market- the core 2 duo. but to do that they had to ditch the p4 and resurrect old p3 technology! the core 2 doesnt have the slow speed or overheaing of the prescott but it is BRAND SHINY NEW so i dont advise ppl to go for it, yet. AMD is still the best deal for now

Glad to see you're in high spirits, enugu 

Was amusing to see you trip over yourself trying to figure out your own definition of 'Africanness'.

Perhaps when you figure that out, you may finally realise that your comments were indeed racist. If you *aren't* a racist, then perhaps you will apologise for them?

Or perhaps,  you may simply realise that if racism is indeed more than what you previously thought it was, you don't mind being a racist afterall.

In any case,  At the end of the day language is as much a function of popular usage as it is of lexical correctness. The terms 'African' and 'Racist' are both subject to this. If enough powerful people with guns think CT is an african because she was born and raised in Africa, then she's african. If enough powerful people with guns (governments, police forces, custom officials)  think that she isn't african because she's white, then she's not. And the only importance that holds for you is that, when the matter is in contention with appropriate gang of powerful, gun-wielding human beings nearby, you'd better agree with them,

Seun is NOT correct.

He's really smart, though, so that also shows that this is not a praticularly simple issue!

In any case what has happened is this:

Nigeria has added an extra requirement for foreign operators who wish to do business within its shores. It is her right as a sovereign nation. Not 'stealing' or 'stripping' anything at all. If you don't like it, leave.

Also, note that it takes effect 'upon the lapse' of any currently existing agreement. What that means is that the rights have NOT been 'stripped' or 'stolen' from multichoice, but Multichoice CANNOT be allowed to renew such an agreement while still operating in Nigeria. If they do, the govt will kick them out. So its simply their decision. If they renew the agreement, they will just leave. AND NIGERIAN STATIONS WILL STILL BE UNABLE TO ACQUIRE THE RIGHTS BECAUSE DSTVV WILL STILL HAVE THEM!

So, what that means is tat dstv has a choice. Lose Nigeria or keep your exclusive broadcasting rights over Africa. It is simply Nigeria taking advantage of its position as a major source of revenue for the service provider.

An excellent move, and not a wrong or evil one in any way.

There is plenty wrong with it. Read the post. It is far from an aloof description of the situation. It is an opinion that encourages the guy to go and do cr@p.

No sane doctor would say anything more than a gigantic NO to such a thing. This from a person who has had the ill fortune of listening to lifetime dinnertime conversation between a Gynaecologist and the Midwife he is married to. Before she died I could never bring myself to tell them about the SS girl I was going out with at a time. Why? My father held the professional opinion that for an AS to marry another AS was the devil's work indeed, but that NOT EVEN SS should marry!!!! ever! Personally I do not hold that view, but then *I* am not a doctor who has had to escort so many patients to their graves and watch so many families disintegrate into miserable skeletons of themselves due to some idiot not able to keep his pants zipped up.

I expect a doctor's views to be *more* extreme than mine, NOT less.

By the way, she is NOT a doctor. Not Yet. God help us if she still acts this way when she graduates.

grafikdon, will chika be available at the carnival

Dont have time to copy/paste your quotes, so mix and match responses. I'm under pressure here and dont have much time.

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The initial assertion was a set-up for the statement I made next.

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The statement I made then and am reinforcing now is that YES, YOU ARE RACIST. You hold a racist view, therefore you are. If you choose to defend yourself, please do so in the context of your earlier statements.

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Your point of view is not the complaint. Read my gorram post and stop talking nonsense.


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of course it is common. for christs sake maintain focus and stop trying to divert the subject. It is merely a rebuttal to your statements about me not having experienced skin colour prejudice. for sheezy.

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disagreeing with her africanness on the basis of her skin colour is die hard, hardcore racism. If you dont kow it, better know it now befiore you make blanket statements like 'racists are pigs!' without knowing that u just made yourself a sty with ya mouth.


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ah aaah now. Why did u suddenly become friendly at the end of d post? Now am feeling guilty for lashing out at u like dat,

but, shes african

I am not referring to the genetic screening part

I am referring to the 'go ahead and mary' part.

prevention is always BETTER and a doctor should know better than to encourage her patients to put themselves in wahala