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tearoses:
I think they too are getting the message, cos the last time I was at liverpool st, the shop was empty .. infact the whole market was dead.
Developers have taken over the area
I used to hear about liverpool st before I came to the UK
Its a shame though

The colours don too much these days sef so how will they keep up all this una go green(actually thought it was typo by Idowuogbo), Tiffany blue(that's the rage now apparrently). My sister has chosen mustard yellow and plum as her wedding colour,ewo tun tun ni mustard nitori oloun

no wonder colour blocking came to the rescue or the good old gold or silver shoe and accessories for people like me who can't be bothered

freecocoa:
Two or more women fighting here doesn't/shouldn't change anything.

Can you count how many men on here sagamite, coogar, davidlyn, Dayokanu, shymex etc, have beef with?

I guess that's true.

Maybe I don't get why difference in opinions always results in such bitter vitriol being exchanged.

Please I want to ask a question following on from the I am/not a feminist label argument that has ensued esp. based on Chillis assertion about women who are enjoying privileges fought for by activists not being want to be called feminists.

Please what are those privileges or rights in NIGERIA that women now enjoy from NIGERIAN Feminist activities? And no I am not talking things like TED talk by Chinamanda I am talking about actual political issues( social and cultural norms are subjective and influenced by location, culture which is quite vast In Nigeria or even family background sef) so its difficult to gauge how that has been influenced by the femisnist movement. I never thought I was less than any boy right from when I was young and that was not even before I knew of the word or movement called feminism.

I want issues like right to vote, right to own property, right to education etc. as these are some of the things that Feminists eg the suffragettes had to fight for in the west. I know there are loads of organisations and people that talk about empowering women financially, culturally etcin Nigeria but I rarely see the insistence on being called 'feminist' organisations like I see on NL.

I personally don't see why anybody cant choose to identify or call themselves anything they want to. I just don't get the flip side on why any woman who believes women can and should be empowered but just chooses not to say ' I am a feminist' is a joker.

A lot of priviledges enjoyed by AAs today was fought for by the civil rights movement but that same movement is not really reckoned with by some AAs today because some believe that organisations like the NAACP have become overtly self serving. Does that mean that those AA's should not vote,get a job, sit on the bus next to a white person?etc. I don't believe they should deride those who are civil rights activists ( like I don't feel feminists should be derided) but why cant they say they 'choose' not to be called one.Afterall some of the rights that they now enjoy was fought for by that movement.

I don't even know what to say type again.....

See me defending us on another post . You people don fall my hand o


Na wa for NL.

@ OP nice original post by the way.

Ewuro4:
Yenyenyen hehe

OP nothing do you jare , you're perfectly okay, continue doing YOU ... As you can witness the unnecessary aggressiveness on display, Your assertions hit the Bulls eye.

Very obnoxious

Onojogbon ni yin..cant out emoticon for some reason so I was grinning as ityped

I can agree that women tend to be more dramatic/emotional/ OTT in friendship especially in large groups( that's why I was never able to do the whole clique thing) but that women automatically HATE each other I cant agree. HATE is such a strong word.

and you know I lof you so how can women hate each other when I don't hate you and we are both women ( blowing kisses)

And both genders can lay claim to Haters abi no be male rappers dey rap most about Haters ni LOL

Sagamite:
Now here is another example of the Institutional Connections I was talking about.

Tell me how most black guys and WHITE average guys can compete with this guy, Tom Attenborough, for a job in his field:



He was able to set up his theater production company one year after graduation. That goes on his CV obviously and gives him more gloss as if Cambridge was not enough.

Okay.

You thought that was it.

Father? Then grand-father?

Okay, check out his great-grandfather:



Now don't let me talk about his grand-uncles. One of which I can bet my life you have all watched his wonderful animal documentaries and the other a top auto-industry executive.

That is 4 generations of power.

How many of una papa and mama get wikipedia entry?

He also attended St Pauls which sends 60-70 (over 30%) of its 180 annual school leavers to Oxbridge every year. Roughly another 25-30 of these head to Ivy League schools in the US.

Calm down, that is not the end.

St Pauls has an underschool called Colet Court. This is like the primary school of the secondary school.

To attend both, you will be spending roughly £33K per year per child if they are in boarding School. So imagine how much it cost to send a child to these 2 schools from 7 to 18.

Most of the Colet School kids move on to St Pauls for high school. And about 30% now move on to Oxbridge.

If they don't move from Colet to St Pauls together, they will meet again at Oxbridge.

So effectively, these people would have known each other, studied together and partied together since the age of 7. So how the fck do you expect to compete for top level roles with them?

If you are interested in Theatre and you apply for a job and Tom applies for the same job. How you wan compete?

The person making the decision is probably his friend or a friend of a friend, and Tom has an impressive CV where he has "shown entrepreneurial skills".

Oh oooo!

Na only you waka come?

You were not informed 2?

Kontinu!

No problem.

Let me tell you some other people that attended Colet:

Dominic Grieve - Former Attorney General and Shadow Front Bencher.

Eddie Redmayne - Oscar Best Acto winner (He left Colet for Eton before going to Cambridge and his great-grandfather was a famous engineer who was knighted: "Sir" )

Ed Vaizey - Current Minister of Culture, Communications and Creativity (Who is the son of a Life Labour Peer)

George Osborne - Chancellor of the Exchequer (Second in command in the UK, who's father was also a "Sir" and also attended Oxford)

Nathaniel Rothschild - Chairman of Hedge Fund and a heir of the Famous billionaire Rothschild family (He was also in the Bullingdon Club at Oxford with his primary school friend, George Osborne above)

Abeg, no try go into the family line of Rothschild and Osborne o. You go faint.

Who are the type of people that go and see Theatre shows? Is it not people with Tom's background?

Even, as you can see above, one of Tom's fellow alumni is in charge of funding the industry as the "Minister". So when the Director goes to convince the government to increase or direct the budget for Arts a certain way, who would be best placed to do this? You or Tom?

So as I said from the beginning, these top posts have been shared out since the age of 7.

Chai! Chai! Chai!

The jobs they are sharing.

Dairisgod o!

Dairisgod ooooo!

It is Institutional Connnections. They don't hate you, dem just no know you.

I cant remember who said all these public school boys e.g Eddie Redmayne, Benedict Cumberbatch, Robert Pattinson even joker Jake Whitehall,Eddie Sheeran etc have taken over British Entertainment and they wanted to chop off his head. But its true naa. why dem go con dey vex for th etruth naa LOL

I just laugh when people think most Western countries are 'Equal' societies. Yes there is legislation.There is a limit to which equality can be legislated. Even America that everyone touts as the 'home of the American dream' should not have people like the Rothschilds still wielding so much economic power.


I have done some courses on Equality and Diversity at an academic level and its such a in exhaustive complex topic. Studies have shown that social mobility is now at an all time low compared to the 50's,60's and 70's and I think that is so true even for emerging countries like Nigeria.

Studies have said that this is an argument for bringing back grammar schools in Britain as the times when we had a greater mix of children of the working/middle classes was when their products stated gaining prominence in both political /economic settings examples are people like Margaret Thatcher. Me I personally want them back for people in all boroughs for some of us who might not be able to afford private school > I will try to help my kids pass 11 + but will still support them even if they don't . After all I did not get the required score ( I can never foget 500 out of 600 and I scored 478) to get into QC back then LOL . I cried like sege ehn but my parents still loved me. We eventually found out that people whose fathers were federal perm secs got in with far less but no be dem say make my papa no be perm sec. LOL

This is also true in Nigeria as well cos I know most of the people who are prominent in Nigeria from that generation were not necessarily children of the rich. My dad told me that he went to school with the children of rich men back then even though he came from a poor background based on his academic prowess. My papa na real effiko and he said back then education was the ticket out of poverty. he said he would see people speaking English like opeere and he thought to himself that University I must go and do better for my own children.

Don't think that can happen now cos I don't see how any child from my fathers background can got to Green Springs or British International School.

That said all these are not excuses not to aim higher even if you don't have the background.Its just highlighting that these people already have an advantage.

Ewuro4:
Hmm thanks sis

That must be special Order I'm guessing?

Yeah they will specially embroider it depending on what you like .

Idowuogbo:
Eyin people,una don hear? Colour riot is bad!!!

I know style is personal but some kain colour combo fit blind person.

tearoses:
You sef . . you are already posh jare
Is the fuscsia gele totaly plain?
There is gold in the brooch of your 10 layers necklace, so You can wear gold strappy shoes . . .please dont wear something else shoe and bag o!

those cor shoe and bag are just so :-XI don't ever think I will 'grow up 'into them .even the ones that are not something else the something else ones are especially ugly sha.

My mum said am still dressing like a young girl and I should have started dressing like 'Iyawo ile ' by now .I told her no thanks I think I will still be dressing like this at 50 sef.

Idowuogbo:
Fuschia beads go blind awon oni lu na

Layi she disco light

help me tell some people o

I try not to believe or perpetuate this annoying stereotype when dealing with other women.

I can sincerely hand on heart say I don't hate anyone so this statement is definitely untrue when it comes to this woman.

Idowuogbo:
Lmao! Off colour?

No I think it's ok. Me I like subdued looks so if you use fuschia beads again it might be too much.

That pastel pink just complements and tones it down a little

Idowuogbo:
i'm doing beads ooo.... i think i might use this one.

Gen gen

tearoses:
Sis Idowu of fe lo pa ni
it goes jare
what colour accesories are you wearing?


Sis Dami I'm not sure that the iro is aso oke. I have something that looks a little similar and it is not aso oke . .mine is not as busy though and I may be wrong, its difficult to tell the fabric from the picture.

The gele and ipele are aso oke.

True sha but I have seen aso oke that also looks like that.

All those 120k aso oke that you wear for engagement and never wear again waste of money I am advising my sister to use lace for her engagement and just use aso oke gele and ipele.

Now who we do believe

If only the poor baby could talk and tell us what actually happened.

This parenting sef may God help us so much to spark paranoia but wetin person go do.

Nice analysis

Ewuro4:
^^ is that Aso oke ?

The iro and gele are aso oke the silk variant but the buba is lace

Kimoni:
I hear you ma'am but I'll still say it's from top to bottom and not the other way round. The questions is this - Were Nigerians like this several years ago? Was this our culture back then? I talk of my father as being a great man, Damiso says the same, you say the same. What has changed? My father loved Awo and several other leaders and made me read their books. Can I really ask my kids to read any book by Babangida, Abacha or any of these new generation rogues? No way. So what has changed?

Why does a typical Nigerian who throws thrash from his car while driving in Naija does not do the same in US? Driving one way in Naija was nothing odd in Lagos back in the days but who dares to try it now? Because there is now a system that metes out punishment to you if you do unlike before when you go scott-free.

Of course I see the weird comments on front page NL articles everyday but what system produced these crop of young minds? For a 3 year course in UK, do you know how long they take to complete the same course in Naija? Did you see pictures of some of their lecture halls and hostels? Not even fit for animal habitation. Yet, those are outer citadels of glory. Which type of output are we then expecting from these ones. Garbage in, garbage out. But yet, see how we still do well when we come to school abroad and get the condusive atmosphere?

We shouldn't underestimate the impact of the system on us as individuals. It shapes our thoughts and actions. Our leaders need to provide an enabling atmosphere for her citizens to thrive. Agree with you that we can't place it all on the doors steps of the government, but honestly, a large chunk of the work falls on their laps.

I think a major re orientation is needed. One of my dads mentors was Alhaji Lateef Jakande and I remember thinking that his house was just like a normal comfortable house and not what you would expect from a former governors residence. Am sure even ordinary local govt chairmen live in much more opulence.

Now I know not all his policies were spot on e.g taking away the running of missionary schools from churches. But those people in that era were out to create a legacy and change for their people. A lot of People could were able to get housing from his low cost housing estates .

Sadly I don't think even today's so called 'Progressives ' have that drive.


Most of us don't have a 'serving people 'or 'impacting and changing the world for the better' drive it's more a ' how can I gain power wealth and all the perks that come with it ' drive. Sadly even our religious leaders don't have/ encourage that 'serving' drive. I listen to some sermons sometimes and I just SMH.

Kimoni:
Hahahhahahahaa, Damiso, if you scream at your TV from today till eternity, it won't hear you oo

I personally consider claims by the working class as BIK. It's just as extension of my pay. At least I am still adding value to the economy. Then whatever goes to the children is really an investment. No country can be faulted for that. South West Nigeria today can claim a large chunk of its development to the free education by Awo as the then Premier of Western Nigeria. I guess our classification is where the opinion differs.

But again, the leakages are quite significant. The loopholes are just too wide. Someone is paying for them right? Check out the articles below but don't scream pls

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3006248/More-100-000-benefits-claimants-UK-handed-100-week-assessed-unable-work-addiction-obesity-stress.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2319355/Workshy-map-Britain-revealed-Thousands-incapacity-benefit-claimants-capable-working.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/5663014/Family-claims-147000-a-year-in-housing-benefit-for-seven-bedroom-home.html

Chaircover, it's not about the person or the disgrace he/she is getting. Honestly, they really don't care about all that and they don't live for tomorrow anyways. But the issue is the effect on the economy and the individuals financing it. I believe part of why the average working British dislikes immigrants passionately is because of the belief that migrants have come to share out of what is rightfully theirs. Check out any pronouncement by Theresa May and the subsequent comments online. It's always a war btw indigenous British and naturalized migrants.

It's daily mail naa The daily mail will like you to believe that benefit claimants and immigrants cause all of the of the UK's woes

tearoses:
Your neighbour that refuses to work has/had nothing going for her anyway
Does she have a skill or degree? The answer is most likely a capital NO

People who sit at home and are on any type of benefit cannot be better than me. No matter how many kids the govt is paying for, so I don’t take those kinds of statements seriously.

She is humiliated every time she goes to the benefits office or the council. Her kids are not learning anything from her and the cycle continues and she does not mix with intelligent people on a daily basis.

The longer she is out of work the more likely she never finds a job. She is not credit worthy and she lives from hand to mouth.

If she is doing a biz underground, then she has to keep watching over her shoulder & hiding.

I know their type and I will never wish that kind of life on anyone.
Don’t be fooled by the large wide screen TV in their living room.
We rent out property to DSS tenants and I have seen the other side of things. It’s not a pretty site. Trust me.

Truth is sef there are loads of peopke like that but they are actually not the whole story of people living on benefits.

Child tax and working tax credits are actually one of the highest chunk of the welfare bill and are claimed by people in work.

Kimoni while I agree in part with this statement, its a deeper issue which the right wing press tend to exagerate one aspect of. For every single story of the somali immigrant with 12 children living in a 5 million pound house there are 10 who have been shipped to Bradford because they have been hit by Bedroom tax. And sometimes these are people in work but on min wage.We sha can't all be carrying brief case in London Bridge like tearoses said.I work with these people day in day out so I know.Not everyone is going to be rich/middle class. And even with all the drive we have in Nigeria not everyone will be rich or well to do or educated. It's just the fact.As much as we love education not every Nigerian living in Nigeria will go to university.


Do you know that a large chunk of working age benefits are actually claimed by people in work? The system is very skewed and even though I am not a fan of the David Cameron/George Osborne they are beginning to tackle some of the root causes e.g over the top childcare costs by giving more hours of free childcare to 3 and 4 year olds.

While I agree that there are those who abuse the system the media sometimes tells a single story. If I see one more 'benefits scrounger ish' based reality show on Channel 5 or Channel 4 I will scream.

Kimoni:
There is an eminent crises looming in the UK but the politicians are still in denial. You cannot continue to "forcefully" take from the productive sector to cater for the unproductive ones not because they cannot be productive but because they just don't want to productive. It is not a sustainable model. It has worked for so long but it can't continue. Everybody has to get down and dirty.
One of my neigbours with a kid once told me she will never work in her entire life. A very young lady oo. She didn't understand why she should work when the government can pay her nearly the same amount she would be getting from her pay (after deducting child care cost perhaps). While I agree with her maths, the mentality is totally messed up. Millions of people who add no value to the economy yet they shop in places where you will think twice before entering. No wonder we have thousands of migrants dying in the seas every day coming for a share of this UK benefit free gold they have heard so much about.

Kimoni:
Lol@ bolded - that list is not complete naa until you add planting of roses

I think Nigerians are competitive in nature and somehow, it has become an adopted trait in us. I read that link Saga pasted on how minorities ethnic groups are outscoring British nationals and the last two comments on that page captures my thoughts perfectly.

As Nigerians, we are so populated that for every single benefit, thousands of people have to compete and outsmart each other to get qualified for it. A good example is the thousands of people that write Jamb every year fighting for limited places in the unis. Same with vacancies of any kind, there are so many people out there that you just have to distinguish yourself somehow.

But asides this, I think Nigerians just love being the best in whatever field they find themselves. Once we put our mind to anything, the world will know a certain group of people has joined the show. Take our musicians and maybe nollywood - those guys have conquered Africa and quietly entering the world stage in just a short time. On the other side, immediately Nigerians entered the 419 and corruption market, we overtook all the slow coaches on the way

I once had to go to Ghana for a course, and I was chatting with the hotel staffs, they told me how easy it was to identify Nigerians in Ghana. I asked them how since we were both dark-skinned. They said Nigerians were quick, smart and always go for the best things in their country. At the bus stop, when a man is already running towards oncoming buses in order to get in first instead of waiting for the bus to stop, then know he/she is definitely a Nigerian There was a national project in Ghana that needed a consortium of banks to finance. Their FG invited all the indigenous banks to indicate the exact amount each was willing to finance. As they were rounding up negotiations, a Nigerian bank who was not initially invited heard of it, offered to take out all the other banks and singlehandedly finance the project, and still came with unmatchable rates everybody was perplexed. Nobody could understand why the bank was willing to take a hit for that level of risk. It wasn't only unnecessary, it made no credit/ business sense whatsoever. When I heard these two examples, I laughed loud knowing that truly, those were our traits; but love it or fault it, it is a recipe for greatness. That mentality just needs a bit of fine-tuning.

And so the average Nigerian is never going to be like the modern average British. Our motivations are mountains apart. They don't need to save for anything, the govt takes care of all that when the time comes. While they live for the present with no worries for the future, Nigerians live for the past, present and the future But as much as I think it's okay to be contented in life, one also needs some measure of drive in life. The average British man is too docile for my liking. On the long run, no nation can succeed with citizens like that. Still on that link that Saga posted, I saw where a guy said young indigenous British Phd holders are going into extinction. This same "Great Britain" of yesteryearsthar produced the Alan Turings and Isaac Newtons of this world And yes, I can testify to this scarcity to in my present academic environment.

Nigeria has been classified as an emerging power (MINT) along with some other countries like Mexico and Indonesia. Then check out the BRICS with India and China; it's that same drive, that unending desire to conquer that is propelling these countries. That's why these countries continue to ascend the ladder while countries like "Great UK" continues its descent I hope I didn't say that too loud o

Kimoni has captured the spirit succinctly.An average oyinbo person in the west buys one house,goes on 1 or 2 holidays a year, save for the children's college fund(if in the UK sef they don't even have to as the child can get a loan), has no obligation to take care of zillions of relatives,does not need to buy a house sonewhere else etc. Compare that to an average African immigrant who might have zillions of people they have to send money to, wants to buy a house while also building one back home,wants his children to have a good quality of life ,add flexing etc all on the same wages or even less than the average oyinbo person.So some start looking for a way to cut corners.

Being competitive is a double edged sword and one has to learn the balance so I think While you have a valid point Kimoni ,I also wonder a lot at Brits who have been on the same position in years and seem contented and happy with no desire to even try to aspire higher.At my last appraisal in a job that I have been in less than a year my manager said she sees me in a senior role in 18 months and I am not even an overly aggressive person. I have had conversations with other Africans and they say the same thing.

But tearoses is also right sometimes it's very difficult to distinguish if that drive is to genuinely be the best at what you do or just simply to be better or have an upper hand over the next person. I love the drive,ambition but Sonetimes I can't stand the ultra competitive Nigerian nature. It's almost always about being better than the next person rather than a genuine desire to change things. Get a car that can go through the rugged roads rather than ask for accountability from your local govt chairman on why the road condition is horrible.what of the other people on that road who cant afford a 4x4 or SUV or truck?


I am currently overseeing a project with a local authority and the reason why a whole estate is getting a much needed amenity is because one oyinbo woman has complained,fought,written to MPs,etc etc. The local authority is making cuts but the funds sha came out and I had to ask for budgetary concessions as well.The woman has been a personal pain to me to me and I sometimes dread opening her emails or picking her calls but you just gotta admire the spirit of wanting to get things done for the community.Take that to a Nigerians living in a block of 40 self contain apartments and you will find 30 'I better pass my neighbour' generators all polluting the air with noise and smoke all just to feel at least they have light even though their next door neighbour doesn't. They could all pool for a bigger generator and pay a monthly fee (which I know some might not pay sighs ).I know providing power is a fail from the govt not the people but even at that level I.e the not so well off there is still that subtle competition of wanting to seem better than the other person.


When me and my friends talk they accuse me Sonetimes of already thinking like oyinbo but really my motive or desire to do things Sonetimes comes from a different place. And I don't think it will be different if I lived in Nigeria.

We don't think collectively as a people both at home and in diaspora and that is something I think is one of our issues. 'As long as God is sha blessing me' is our motto.We talked about the Asians and their abiltity to pull together is one of the reasons why I think they are successful in business in the west. It's difficult to take on an already established system that was not even meant for you on an individual basis.

Sagamite:
If you do well or if you do exceptionally?

To my knowledge, it is very rare to see people jump the Associate grade.

It just wouldn't make financial sense to the executive team. Worse still when they will be glad to have the job in the first place.

At worst, if people are good, they just spend less time at the Associate grade before moving up.

My understanding is that the norm is people spend 3 years at each grade. So getting to VP/Director should take about 8/9 years.

The fact he was a back office staff to start with, also makes it strange he did it in 5 years.

He must have been good and connected.



That is fantastic.

An intelligent person is an intelligent person.

The ones that don't go to top unis still have a good chance to do well.

A top uni just gives you a head start and a gloss. To finish the race is different.

Be proud of what comes out of your mouth more than what university you attended.



The stats I gave was a mix of Black African and Black other. I only added them up because I could not get data that separates percentages of Black British overall population.

The hard copy data I have differentiates. Trust me, Black African had 90% of all those percentages. Which mainly means Nigerian and Ghanaian.

We carry the black race in the UK.

I read that's why Inner London schools over the last couple of years have improved GCSE & A level result because of the the high black immigrant population.

A lot of Nigerian and Ghanian parents have high academic expectations for their children. I have one who I talk with in church (work with the youths)at the moment whose dad has told its either Oxbridge/Rusell Group or nothing. He won't even entertain talks of any other options.The poor gal is very bright but she told me that she feels under sooooo much pressure that she feels she will crack.she is taking Ibacc and got 10 As and 1 B at GCSE.

Its ok for me to talk to her now as its not my child but even as it is sometimes I know I over push my 5 year old

Ewuro4:
Hehe.. I don't bother lying about the source, he knows me inside out Sometimes I have to announce my frankness for him to take me serious. Still pfttt

'They' just don't get it.

OP is right for Nigerians living on the breadline living is too much of an hassle to even remember to smell the roses. Seriously being poor in the west cannot be compared to being poor in Nigeria.At least poor people in the west know their children will eat at the very worst.

For those in between or slightly more well off however it's just being used to doing the same things again and again and not wanting to try out new stuff.I know people who ask me if I don't get bored when i take the kids to museums and places of interest (which are often free). I love it so much as I think it's a sort of re education for me through my kids eyes.

I told a friend who flew business class to the UK with 2 kids and a nanny to let's go to The British Transport Museum with the kids and everyone knew what I suggested on BBM it was just seriously cracking her up that it was her DM for the day.She said ' u don turn oyinbo finish o wetin we dey go look there' she could not seem to understand that it was just to show the kids how transportation has evolved To her we should have just gone to Westfield. God knows how I hate trawling shopping malls like what are the kids going to learn in a bloody shopping mall

Ewuro4:
Same here. "That Nigerian website huh?" then walks off

I thought I was the only one .. once he sees that green background all I hear is 'you are on that Nigerian website again' me too I can't say I read something on NL or he won't believe so like tearoses I say I read it on Punch online .

bukatyne:
@Damiso and Sagamite,

I believe entrepreneural spirit is inborn.

I would say study a child and know What his/her natural gift are as opposed to you must study x y z

I believe in that but I think there are some factors/environments that encourage and bring it fore. We talk about jews, igbos, ijebu people being entrepreural but I think its something that children growinh up in those communities subconsciously emulate.

My mum had never had just one stream of income and I had been going to help in shop from about 6 years old . Right from university I would sell stuff to my friends and even when job searching I was always looking for gaps that I could fill . While it might be partly inborn I think growing up in that environment brought it to the fore a bit

Sagamite:
And the few that do go into business are poor at it.

Instead of being the best they can be, they are looking at how to cheat their customers, are rude to them or are not innovative.

Some are even "Stunning" and "Stuns".

When others from outside enter market, they do better.

I just realise the paanla I eat is actually made in Finland?

Not Uyo.

Not Sapele.

FINLAND!

Indian sells me the Indonesian hair I give my babymamas (lying to them it is Brazilian).

Can you imagine anyone selling Jewish stuff to Jews?

I swear watch out for my Sagakids.

Different orientation, mentality and education.

Different orientation is needed a swear.

So right about imagining someone not Jewish selling Jewish stuff to Jews . Don't think it can happen

My husband said I moan about the black beauty thing all the time but it annoys me that we don't have black businesses at least competing with them for a product for which we are the biggest consumer. brings me back to their communities as they tend to do a lot of crowd funding.

Sagamite:
We are too busy looking for jobs.

There is no entrepreneurial inclination except we can't get jobs.

I know.I am guilty as well I won't lie.I want my children to excel and go to red brick Unis so they can get good jobs.

We need to have a broader view of things, see a gap/need in the market and fill it.Its not even like these Asians are the innovators or makers of these black beauty products but they just seem to dominate it at all levels.

Another thing though, can the entrepreneurship spirit be taught? I think its partly inborn.My mum worked for years in the civil service but success to her was always owning a business and not necessarily becoming the MD.

2CatWoman:
I agree with much of what Sagamite said and parts of Sirshymmex post but these two guys have had a very different upbringing and we are all a product of the environment and time we grow up in. As long as you are in the UK and there are white people there you will always have racism. All ethnic groups suffer racism but we are the only ones still fighting for equality; the right to work in someone else’s business instead of working towards our own achievements and building our own communities.
I’m not privy to the inner workings of the Asian communities but I do know they take education seriously and they stick to serious subjects at university and they don’t leave children to their own devices like many black parents seem to

Very true..arguments can be made for/against their sometimes borderline 'clanish' behaviour but there are loads of lessons to be learnt from them.

I am very very fascinated by the success of Asian communities in diaspora. I went to get some hair care products yesterday and 99% of Afro/Caribbean hair care stores are owned by Asians.Black beauty business is a billion pound industry of which we are the highest consumer and they run it . What can we lay claim to , highesr number of churches maybe I am a Christian but really we need to restructure and embrace entrepreneurship.

They are surely doing something right and you are right its starting from the home and communities.