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Ndipe:
Please read this. Jesus Christ was resurrected physically. Please read what He said to His disciples

“Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have” (Luke 24:39).



https://harvest.org/know-god-article/what-was-jesus-resurrected-body-like/

In the materialised human state that Jesus was when he appeared to his disciples, he had flesh and bones so he wasn't lying.
Just like angels(who took human form to appear visible) visited Abraham had teeth and bones to shred meat and chew bread that was presented before them. (Genesis 18:1-8, Hebrews 13:2)
Angels are spirit creatures(Psalm 104:4) but when they visited Abraham, they materialised into human form.
The Bible clearly says that Jesus was put to death in the flesh but was raised up in a spirit body.(1Peter 3:18)

MaxInDHouse:
I've told him the bitter truth he will never find a single person with whom to share the same line of thought the way JWs do, the best a Churchgoer can do is to keep whatever he knew inside himself.
God's son said it, it's not a curse, they can never have the same line of thought even if they worship in the same center!

Even the one he's telling the OP I'm sure he adopted it from JWs. His work is to go around all the religions picking the teaching that suits him best. Ndi “pastor-teacher”

Depsui:
Use the bible not people's commentaries

Take your advice and use your Bible
Stop showing us your photos of your worthless trinity propaganda

Depsui:
What does trinity mean to you?

To me, trinity is a worthless idol worshiped by people who have been blinded by Satan the Devil. (2Corinthians 4:4)

Do yourself a favour and do some research concerning ancient Sumerian and Mesopotamian mythology, you'll find out they(pagans) worshiped a triad of false gods and that's what fake Christianity today has adopted.

The Bible clearly says that Jehovah God is ONE—Deuteronomy 6:4, Mark 12:29, Galatians 3:20
Not some mishmash of personalities my guy. Stop showing me useless photos that have no bearing on Bible truth.

chatinent:
No.

Social media figure.

No wahala I feel you

Depsui:
Look at the picture i posted again. This time do it slowly

You kwa go and open your Bible, look at it and show me where Trinity is written.

Depsui:
Yes for the bolded

Also, yes the dead will have a changed one

Only Jesus Christ was prophecied about that His body will not decay

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DappaD:
You nkor, do you bother to read the Bible?
When Paul said “changed”, is he saying it is the former fleshly body that will be transformed?

Won't the spiritual body the chosen ones have after the first resurrection be a “changed” one?
What concerns the fleshly body with the spiritual body?

Depsui:
Don't misunderstand trinity

Not this again
Some people just need to visit a professional psychiatrist.

Depsui:
I said transformed, you said disappear. Do you bother to read my replys

You nkor, do you bother to read the Bible?
When Paul said “changed”, is he saying it is the former fleshly body that will be transformed?

Won't the spiritual body the chosen ones have after the first resurrection be a “changed” one?
What concerns the fleshly body with the spiritual body?

MaxInDHouse:
Let me argue with DappaD small at least make them see say JWs too dey follow themselves dey argue.
DappaD you did not score 100% at the bolded!

"nobody can have a spiritual body if they don't die and buried first"

Depsui:


The bolded will happen on the day of resurrection not immediately after death.
The prophecy of the body not decaying was only about Jesus Christ.
People alive at rapture will be have their natural body transformed to a spiritual body. The dead people will also be resurrected with a spiritual body.
1corithians15;51-53

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

So according to your rapture theory, people with fleshly body will just stay and disappear? Haven't we warned you to stay away from fictional Nollywood movies. Lol. What's all this again.

Paul called you an “unreasonable person”, when he explained that “What you sow is not made alive unless first it dies.”—1Corinthians 15:36
According to Paul in that verse, nobody will have a spiritual body if they don't die first.

You mean am for the guy sha

MaxInDHouse:
Good!

You can start arguing with your brethren here, at least both of you can hide the name of your Churches (source of teachings) and argue facelesely!

Depsui:
You don't just pick scriptures and give them the interpretations you want. Most of that chapter was talking about resurrection.

Read the whole chapter again, then you'll understand my comment.

Heck you're the person who said I should disregard Paul's words about the chosen ones having a spiritual body after the first resurrection.(verse 42-44)
Now you're telling me I should go and read it again? Oh the irony

Depsui:
I know about moses, it was written clearly in the bible. Am asking about Jesus Christ.

Do you have any scripture that talked about God taking the body of Jesus Christ?

There is no scripture in the Bible that talks about that.

Let me use your terminology now, if any of the “saints” or chosen ones die today, do their body disappear after you bury it in the ground or does it decay?
Because whatever happened to Jesus concerning resurrection is what will happen to those “saints”. (1Corinthians 15:49)

chatinent:
https://i70.servimg.com/u/f70/19/60/66/71/1a770110.jpg

Lol you sef don become freedom fighter, eh @chatinent?

Depsui:

Please, can you give me any scripture concerning this?
Or you just decided to assume that's what happened?

Assumptions? Far from that.

Are you aware that Moses foretold the coming of Jesus as a prophet, just like how he[Moses] was one?
Please read Deuteronomy 18:15,18 and compare with Luke 7:16, John 7:40, Acts 3:22

Moses went on a 40-day sojourn on Mount Sinai(Exodus 34:28) where he got the Ten Commandments from Jehovah's angel(Galatians 3:19)/Jesus remained in the wilderness for 40days and 40nights and it's likely that he got instructions from Jehovah on those days. (Matthew 4:1-2)

Through God's holy spirit, Moses performed miraculous works which Jesus also did.(Exodus 14:21/Matthew 9:35)

Moses set the sons of Israel free from captivity in Egypt(Exodus 12:37). Jesus came to
1. release the lost sheep in the house of Israel from spiritual captivity.(Matthew 15:24, Luke 4:18)
2. set obedient mankind free from enslavement to sin and death by means of a ransom sacrifice.(Matthew 20:28, Hebrews 10:12-18)

After the death of Moses, his body was not recovered because Jehovah removed it.(Deuteronomy 34:6-7) so if you can find out what happened to Moses' body, you can also know what happened to Jesus' fleshly body.

Depsui:
That's talking about a different thing entirely.

We have a physical body now, after resurrection we will have a spiritual body. But our spirits will never die

Lol so 1Corinthians 15:46 exposed your faulty doctrine so you're trying to discard the Scriptures. It's fine.

Depsui:
You're the second person to reference nollywood. Do you people learn about scriptures from movies?

About my post
Philippians 1:22-24

22 But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not.

23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:

24 Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.

Paul here was saying that HE wanted to leave his flesh(body) and go to be with the Lord. But it was more needful for them if HE still abides in the flesh(body)

The "I" in passage therefore cannot be his body because he wanted to leave his flesh to go and be with the Lord.

The "I" is talking about his spirit, which is where the Holy Spirit is( when you get saved)

MaxInDHouse has already exposed your erroneous interpretation.
What more do you want? If there is a spirit exists inside a human being, then why did apostle Paul say at 1Corinthians 15:46 that “What is spiritual is NOT first. What is physical[natural] is first, and afterward what is spiritual.” ?
Did he mix up the two? Why are you doing so now?

tobechi20:
If a human can have three names, God can answer million names

Those other ones are just titles.
God never said he has more than one name.
His personal name is YHWH or Yahweh in Hebrew, the latinized form being JHVH and inputting English vowels is Jehovah.

Then God said once more to Moses:“This is what you are to say to the Israelites, ‘Jehovah the God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name forever, and this is how I am to be remembered from generation to generation.—Exodus 3:15, New World Translation.


“I am Jehovah. That is my name”—Isaiah 42:8, American Standard Version

1StopRudeness:
I welcome anyone that comes in the name of the almighty God......Actually, u guys visit me a lot .... and the different group that comes don’t have much to say other than God’s name ....and why it’s wrong to pray outside...

God's name—Jehovah, is worthy of admiration and respect. In fact his name is awe-inspiring.(Psalm 99:3)

For someone to actually know what God's name signifies and the importance, it goes beyond being familiar with the name. It involves knowing what his attributes are, his purposes, his reputation, his standards; as shown in his Word, the Bible. (Read Exodus 34:6-7, Deuteronomy 32:3-44, Revelation 15:3-4)

1StopRudeness:
You are funny man.... this is about God....I never made it about me...u JWs don’t cant even engage the ministry of witnessing Jesus asked if you....u go about screaming God’s name....

well done... keep up the good work...

So if someone knocks on your door, with corporate dressing, a tie, well shaven and wants to discuss the Bible with you, won't you mutter under your breath “Oh God these Witnesses again” and even insult the person without confirmation from the person about who he actually is?

So I implore you to read what you typed again if what I've said fits in to your “JWs don't cant even engage the ministry of witnessing Jesus” statement.

Because if Jehovah's Witnesses are following Jesus' commands to preach and teach about God's Kingdom in their neighborhood(Matthew 28:19,20; Mark 13:10), then your earlier statement is rendered insignificant.

Ihedinobi3:
Honestly, do you think about what you say before you say it? You are the one who claimed that I wanted you lot to teach me about the Lake of Fire. I was just answering to tell you that I don't. I already know what you teach about it.

Okay.

1StopRudeness:
Not again....JW and God’s name wahala....but nobody is dragging the issue with you people....

U don’t preach any other thing, u don’t hammer repentance, holiness, love .....just this issue of God'sname.....:


Please what’s the significance according to scripture...??..there are 66 books in the Bible..if it was that important God would have stressed the need of calling his name like he stressed the need of repentance, holiness, and love...

If you feel you already know God's name from the Bible, then can you please step aside for those who don't know?
The world doesn't revolve around you. Thank you.

MaxInDHouse:
He knows what JWs teach and he wants to reject it, that's fine.

The fact that over 8,700,000 individuals from different races under the heavens knew the same thing and dedicated their lives to preaching and teaching JWs beliefs in their neighbourhood is enough for JWs.
Is that not why we are asking them to present the name of their religion so we can observe if there is any unique teaching binding them together as one like Jehovah's Witnesses?

The challenge is already before him. He's a low-budget pastor according to him so let him invite to NL one or two of his church members he has seen face-to-face let us see whether they can all agree on one teaching.

Ihedinobi3:

I don't think that you and I have any disagreement over the idea that we don't worship the same God. I totally agree with you that your god is not the same as my God. But you do claim that he is the true God and you base that claim on the Bible, so you don't have the right to say that it isn't my business when you do.


I have told you before, and although I know that you don't believe me, I'll say it again: I know what you Jehovah's Witnesses teach. So unless you think I have the wrong ideas about you, I don't need you to teach me JW doctrines. I know what they are and I reject them.

And so what? What makes you special? Are you the first person to know what JWs teach? Will you be the last?

I don't care/want to know or learn what you believe in since I'm quite satisfied with what I know according to the Bible. So if you like, use this your silly stand of “I already know what JWs teach, you can't tell me what they teach” Na you e concern.

SOME PEOPLE SAY that he has no name, others say that it is God or Lord, and still others say that he has dozens of names. What do you think?

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS

“You, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth.”​—Psalm 83:18.

WHAT ELSE CAN WE LEARN FROM THE BIBLE?

• Although God has many titles, he has given
himself only one name.​—Exodus 3:15.

• God is not a mystery; he wants us to get to
know him.​—Acts 17:27.

• Knowing God’s name can be the first step to
having a friendship with him.​—James 4:8.

Is it wrong to pronounce God’s name?
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY?

• Yes

• No

• It depends

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS

“You must not take up the name of Jehovah your God in a worthless way.” (Exodus 20:7) The only time it is wrong to use God’s name is if this is done disrespectfully.​—Jeremiah 29:9.

WHAT ELSE CAN WE LEARN FROM THE BIBLE?

• Jesus knew and used God’s name.​—John 17:25, 26.

• God invites us to address him by name.​—Psalm 105:1.

• God’s enemies try to make people forget his name.​—Jeremiah 23:27.

Source: https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-no3-2016-may/does-god-have-a-name/
Visit JW.ORG for more.

Ihedinobi3:


I don't believe that I ever told you that I was looking for people who share my beliefs. I discuss with all kinds of people on this platform. The only demand that I make of interlocutors is common human decency. If a person can't be decent in conversation, I try to avoid them. I'm fine with not being agreed with. After all, Paul did say that not all those who are spiritually mature agree concerning everything (Philippians 3:15).
As for keeping quiet, not only can I not do so, especially not at your own behest, isn't it interesting that the same group of people who carry themselves as though the whole world is out to murder them is the one trying to muzzle others? First, your student wants to fight his neighbor because the person called to his children, and now you want to shut me up because you can't stand me. Your own words are finding you out.
LOL @ being afraid to name my church. That you either don't know or don't believe that I learn where I say I learn is not my fault. I don't owe you the information and I haven't hidden it either. I have no interest in persuading you to believe that I am what I say I am or that I do what I say I do. Believe what you want or don't, if you prefer. It's not my problem.

As for Jehovah's Witnesses, you're a cult of liars. You're all deluded. And you will all end up in the Lake of Fire, if you do not repent

and believe in Jesus Christ, God Who became Man to die for the sins of the world and who was resurrected in an eternal, perfect, glorious body for our justification. You can also believe that or not, as you prefer. Not believing it is not going to make it false.

Mr IDon’tGetAbusiveTowardsOthers, can you explain how you came about the bolded and underlined?
Do you think it's the first time JWs are hearing all those baseless threats from your kind of people?
FYI, Jehovah our God is not a cruel tyrant who will burn people forever in a mythical “hellfire” as such a thing has never come to his heart before. (Jeremiah 7:31, 19:5)

As for the meaning of “lake of fire”, I think this is just a subtle ploy for you to make JWs explain to you what that actually means. Quit this cowardly, childish, sneaky act of yours and just ask us openly.

Ihedinobi3:
. If you are telling lies against God in a public domain like a thread on Nairaland, you don't say that it is JW territory and I should mind my business.

Now hold up. See. Anything you hear from me, Max, haddey or any other JW anywhere in this world about our God, Jehovah is the truth according to the Bible.
So where did you get the idea that all of us are worshipers of the same God?
Because as far as Jehovah's Witnesses as a people are concerned, we're the only worshipers of our God! Jehovah! (Micah 4:5)
The rest of you can continue worshiping your mysterious trinity idols but don't EVER make that mistake to think all of us here are worshipers of the same God.

Ihedinobi3:
I promise you I don't care for your attention. I chose not to address any of you in my comments. I spoke to others that I believed share my respect for the Bible. I did make bold reference to you people because it was about you that we were discussing. If any of you wished to defend against the things I said about you, you were free to offer a rebuttal. I entertain such things as long as I can do so respectfully and decently. If you did not want to rebut, that was fine, since I only wanted to provide support to these people I just mentioned.

As for JW territory, I wonder what makes any of you think that a thread you create on Nairaland is your territory. This is public domain. It's like a park bench or a town hall. It's open to everybody. If you come to a park and set up on a bench to commit murder, you don't tell those passing by to mind their own business. If you are telling lies against God in a public domain like a thread on Nairaland, you don't say that it is JW territory and I should mind my business. Besides, I am a pastor-teacher, so the Bible is my business. If I join any conversation about the Bible, I'm actually minding my business by doing so. So, you really aren't making any sense in your protest.

As for "agree to disagree," as my last paragraph said, I totally agree. I discuss with anyone who is willing to be decent and respectful in conversation. We don't have to agree on anything, but we certainly have to not abuse each other. When people get abusive toward me, I may choose to avoid talking with them, but there is no guarantee that I will avoid coming into conversations in which they are involved. They are, after all, not the only ones on Nairaland.

Lol. Spare me all of these please.
The MaxInDHouse you said you don't want to engage in a conversation with is the same person you're writing long epistle for.
Now that I know you're not a man of your word, nothing you say/have said can be taken seriously.

Oh LMAO, you said you're a “pastor-teacher” right? That means you have your own church right?
Can you please mention the name of your church, its stand on the ongoing topic and maybe invite one of your members to the thread let's see if you two won't contradict and even hurl insults at each other.

livingchrist:
I cant help you pain, deal with it.
So after all these many talks, death is not total annihilation, something survives death, interesting.
I thought your friend said nothing survives death, that when a man dies everything about him go out of existence so what is Jehovah destroying again in the lake of fire?
But again, you summersualted by saying the spirit of man survives death, good! So the spirit of Jesus did not die right?
So what died when Jesus died?
The jargons you wrote there does not even come close.
Human being can only kill the body not soul, so Jesus body died not his soul right?
So therefore it is the body that experiences resurrection.

I m sure you are drunk, jehovah witness dont know Jack about the bible, it should be the other way round, humble yourselves and go to real church to learn.

I've already told you what I want to tell you. And that's the same answer any JW you meet out there will give to you.
So if you're not satisfied with the answer, take your leave my guy.
Nobody came here to start convincing or teaching you.

ihedinobi2:

When I first noticed you (I understand that you are Maximus69) on Nairaland, I offered you an olive branch, just as I just did with DappaD. I was willing to discuss with you reasonably and respectfully. It was not long after doing that that you degenerated into the same abusive, annoying, unreasonable interlocutor that your fellow JWs on this platform are. So I quit talking to you.
I have spoken with you again only when it took my fancy or when it seemed like there might be some spiritual benefit in doing so.

Why you think that I actually want to have a conversation with you beats me.


You clearly are not a reasonable person or a respectful one, so why do you think that I want to have a cantankerous exchange with you?
I already told you that this thread is out there, so you're wasting your time telling me to "go out there." You are crossing land and sea to make converts? Great! That's your own business. If you make them sons of hell like yourself, then that's also your problem. I have no desire to be like you. I am here on Nairaland to encourage others who actually believe and respect the Bible. I do that too in my daily life. I am not looking for disciples of my own. If anyone is pleased to walk with me as I walk with the Lord, I walk with them too. That's my modus operandi.
I have answered you in case my deliberate refusal to engage you has been a puzzle to you. It really is deliberate. I don't need the people I talk with here on Nairaland to like me or even agree with me. I just need them to be civil and decent. You don't know how to be either, any more than your student appears to from your story (probably proves that he is totally your student).

See, mature and reasonable men should be able to have that occasional “agree to disagree” stance when concluding their dialogues. It's not by force for either side to accept the beliefs of the other party.

So with reference to the bolded, what makes you think that any of Jehovah's Witnesses want to have a conversation with you in the first place?
Isn't it glaring from your recent comments today that you're just trying to get our attention?

Because if you truly are satisfied with what you know and are minding your business carefully, you won't wander off into JW territory, lol, and begin hurling stones against us since nobody invited you here in the first place.

MaxInDHouse:
I'm telling you authoritatively that you'll never find a single person who will share your beliefs unless you just keep quiet and let your gibberish rotten inside you.
Only Jehovah's Witnesses were given the work by Jesus to make disciples in this end time, so if you choose to criticize or oppose them you will never find peace in any religious gathering because we are living in the end time when the spirit of disobedience is possessing everyone.
Even in the church where you worship you'll notice that you are ashamed to mention the name of your church because you're not sure of what they're teaching you there so you can't defend what you Church teaches like Jehovah's Witnesses Organization where a JW in Africa, a JW in Australia, a JW in America, a JW in Europe, a JW in Asian and any other place all have the same line of thought regarding doctrine! John 17:20-23 compare to 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3

Gbam.

livingchrist:
so, the humans can not kill the soul, , you said nothing survives death?
By omitting the Spirit Jesus already omit the spirit as what can die.
So Jesus never said God will kill the spirit but rather the soul and the body.
Again, Jesus commit his Spirit to God telling you Jesus spirit was intact.
In addition, the bible said Jesus was killed in the flesh not Spirit, this again rules out any form of spirit death, Jesus was never killed in the spirit.
In all these, you can see that resurrection only applies to Jesus flesh not his spirit.

Those guys liking your comments should behave matured and come out with their own teachings of their churches let's put them under scrutiny.
They don't need to hide behind you like unsuspecting cowards. You're not their mouthpiece. It's not as if you're saying any better thing here sef. Lol.


What Jesus meant at Matthew 10:28 is that we shouldn't fear Satan/mortal men who can only kill us temporarily—because when they do so, the life-force(spirit/breath of life) is entrusted into Jehovah's hands(Ecclesiastes 12:7, Luke 23:46) and can restore it to us by means of a resurrection.(Job 14:13-15, Isaiah 26:19, John 5:28-29, Acts 24:15)
BUT rather, Jesus said we should fear the One—Jehovah God—who can completely wipe out every memory of a person's existence from history by means of complete annihilation/destruction in Gehenna/lake of fire which means second death. And that means no hope of resurrection for such ones.(Revelation 20:14-15, 21:8.)

See ehn, don't worry whenever you feel like ANY particular scripture from the Bible is confusing you—just ask JWs anywhere around you and they'll do the honours by giving you a dignified response.