₦airaland Forum

sonmvayina:
The new covenant is a renewal of the old...he will write it in our heart ..nobody will hold a book and go from door to door..God will write it in our heart..

Lol. Hope your brain isn't paining you. Stay there and wait for magic to happen

sonmvayina:
It is God (the eternal father ) that called Hezekiah the prince of peace..read it again a better translation ..like the one I posted ..

OK. So I see you're fond of twisting clear things. Isaiah 9:6 said the child to be born would be named Eternal Father. And you said Hezekiah was that child, again who was Hezekiah Eternal Father to? I think you've finally roped yourself now

sonmvayina:
The new covenant is the writing of his(God )laws in our heart not a book or a tablet..so how does that need a mediator? I said Hezekiah is the subject of Isaiah 9:5&6...go back and read the text.

OK. So who did Hezekiah become Eternal Father to?
Know today, that Hezekiah has been dead for close to 2,700 years and he's awaiting a resurrection as one of the subjects of God's Kingdom.(Isaiah 26:19, Acts 24:15)

sonmvayina:
The new covenant is God writing his laws in our heart. And it will become effortless to follow them...does that need a mediator?

Read it again..

Have you engaged in any business transaction before? Do you know who plays the role of “Escrow”?
C'mon we need to think on our feet here.
If there's a covenant, an agreement between two parties, in this case between Jehovah God and members of a spiritual Israel, there must be a go-between—a mediator to ensure both parties stick to their own end of the deal.
From that same Old Testament you hold so dearly, it says at Malachi 3:6 that Jehovah doesn't change i.e. his standards can never change. So what makes you think it will change wrt the new covenant?

sonmvayina:
The new covenant is the writing of his(God )laws in our heart not a book or a tablet..so how does that need a mediator? I said Hezekiah is the subject of Isaiah 9:5&6...go back and read the text.

So the Law wasn't embedded in the hearts of faithful Israelites? When Moses(the mediator) read the commandments to them and they said “We are willing to do just as Jehovah has spoken” at Exodus 19:8, are you saying the Law wasn't in the hearts and minds of those Israelites after Moses read it to them?


The only difference here is that the 10Commandments of the old covenant were written on stone tablets and were as direct as could be, but the Law according to the new covenant spans several aspects which isn't a written code per se, they are mainly principles.

In the same manner, how will those who are partaking of the new covenant have the Jehovah's Law written in the hearts i.e. embedded in their hearts if they don't study God's Word, the Bible? You think this is some magic show or film trick?

sonmvayina:
So answer my query, when did God say his son will be the mediator of the new covenant ?

You're not understanding me. You said you don't believe God sent his Son to the earth right? OK. Let's leave that for now.

Can you please tell me who was to be mediator of the new covenant at Jeremiah 31? Please I need a direct answer! No dilly dallying. If you can't take drilling then don't come to NL and ask silly questions.

sonmvayina:
Lol...how did you arrive at that idea ?

Are you short of words now?
What role did Moses play when the old covenant was established with the Israelites? Exodus 19:5-6?
What's the reason behind Moses being the only person chosen by God to go up to the mountain?

My guy find answers to these questions and get back to me Asap!

If Jehovah said he was going to establish a new covenant at Jeremiah 31—definitely there will be a mediator. That cannot be contended with. Please don't twist it.

I also heard you said it was Hezekiah who was the mediator? The same Hezekiah who died more than 40 years before Jeremiah was born?

haddeylium:
Hezekiah

Is that what he said?
Hezekiah who died long before Jeremiah was born? Abi na two Hezekiah dey Bible now?

haddeylium:
Better dump those fruitless and Useless Fairytales and embrace the truth among people producing the fruits to be found among the true worshippers

You know it's not by force or mere show

The thing is, I've observed him keenly since I came to NL and he's pretty much the type who forges his beliefs from ancient Sumerian and Mesopotamian mythology, Nollywood fables down to the stories told by grandmothers in the village.

In fact it doesn't matter if you're telling him nonsense he'll accept it with open arms
As long as it's not from the Bible, he's okay with whatever you tell him


Everyone will carry his own load(Gal 6:5)
Sonmvayina has decided this to be his own. But what will not be acceptable is he moving from thread to thread throwing tantrums at those who choose to believe in the truth.

sonmvayina:

It was written down for people like you(no offence) who can't tell right from wrong. For those of us who are fully conscious it comes to us naturally .it is part of our nature...see what Jeremiah wrote in chapter 31:
Jer 31:31-37 in Christian versions
Jer 31:30 "Behold, the days come, saith YHWH, that

I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah;
31 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt;
forasmuch as they broke My covenant, although I was a master over them, saith YHWH.
32 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith YHWH, I will put My Torah in their inward parts, and in their heart will I write it; and I will be their Elohim, and they shall be My people;
33 and they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying: 'Know YHWH'; for they shall all know Me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith YHWH; for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin will I remember no more.
34 Thus saith YHWH, Who giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, who stirreth up the sea, that the waves thereof roar, YHWH of hosts is His name:
35 If these ordinances depart from before Me, saith YHWH, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before Me for ever.
36 Thus saith YHWH: If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, then will I also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith YHWH.
No One Will Teach Another to Know the Most High, everyone will know Him.

Do you know the import of the highlighted words? Y’know, for every covenant and agreement, there is a middleman—a mediator. For the Law given to the Israelites, Moses was the mediator.

So please who is the mediator of this new covenant? Is it you? Is it Jesus? Or someone else?

xproducer:

I cannot open your eyes to spiritual truths, only GOD can.


JEHOVAH is the only Savior - "I, even I, am the Lord, And besides Me there is no savior." - Isaiah 43:11 (and Isaiah 45:21)
JESUS CHRIST is the only Savior - "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” - Acts 4:12

Read Matthew 28:18 and tell me—who bestowed authority on Jesus? Was it Jehovah or someone else? Did Jesus give himself the authority?
Philippians 2:9-11, did God exalt himself or someone else above every other name? Hasn't God always been greater than every creature in heaven or earth? If you read the book of John in its entirety, you'll find out that Jesus usually said the things he taught and spoke never originated with him, rather that they originated with someone above him, His Father and God.(John 7:16, 12:49-50, 20:17)

JESUS = JEHOVAH = GOD! GOD is the only Savior and Judge of mankind, and all.

Says you? Why did Jesus say at John 5:22 that Jehovah judges no one at all but has delegated that responsibility to the Son, Jesus himself? See also Acts 17:31, 1Timothy 4:1.

"He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given" - Matthew 13:11
"But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." - 1 Corinthians 2:14

Please, let's not derail. Leave mysteries and natural man alone first—let's tackle the issue on ground. I appreciate you using the name Jehovah now—at least we can tell the difference between He and his son.

AkinwaleJJ:
I have a grandson now though from my stepson whom i brought up as my biological son, and my own biological son is now 21. So what do you think of me?
Perhaps a woman in her 40s shouldn't feel young, agile and vibrant again for marrying an African, right?

No, no that's not what I'm saying.
I can't be the only one who might have noticed the striking similarity/resemblance in the comments you, MaxInDHouse/Maximus69, TATIME have made on NL so far.

I'd like to offer a suggestion but can't do that on a public forum.

AkinwaleJJ, I thought you said you were an aged mother?

xproducer:
=============
"Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen. “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” - Revelation 1:7-8

Revelation chapter 1 KJV

Verse 4
“John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;”
...
Verse 5
“And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,”

I hope you can see the conjunction “AND” that's connecting “Him which is, which was and which is to come” with “Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness”? Doesn't that go to show that they're two different personalities?

When you notice the contrast, you can then understand that Revelation 1:7 is referring to Jesus and verse 8 refers to Jesus' Father, the Almighty God. Be sure to take your time.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a Gg od.

I fixed it for you there. Jesus Christ is rightly a “god” in the sense that he's of divine nature. Besides, humans are called Gods so there's no big deal about it though.(Exodus 7:1, Psalm 82:6, John 10:34-35)
Fact is, Jesus isn't the Almighty God.(John 17:3)

He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made...

Okay, so how can he be in the beginning with God and still be God? Can I direct your attention to Proverbs 8:22-31, Colossians 1:15-17,Revelation 3:14 that proves Jesus was created by God in the beginning and it was through Jesus that all other things were made, spiritual or physical.

Also, do well to read 1Corinthians 8:6 and observe the scripture highlights God and Jesus as two separate personalities.

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."

Sure, the Word, being Jesus became flesh when his life was transferred from heaven to the womb of Mary and so he(Jesus) came to be in the likeness of men, i.e. he became fully human.(Philippians 2:7)

Whereas the scripture has maintained that NO MAN HAS SEEN GOD AT ANY TIME.(Exodus 33:20,23; John 1:18, 6:46)
But people saw Jesus, didn't they? So how can Jesus now be God again? Dear Mr/Mrs xproducer, I implore you to use your power of reason and observe the facts carefully.

live4dgospel:

Matthew 12:31-32
"Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come."
What really constitutes this unforgivable sin? This is a fearful sin nobody would want to commit, right? Because Jesus Himself said that such sin cannot be forgiven either in this world or in the world to come. Today, I would like to shed light on this unforgivable sin and the responsibility of every human being born on this earth. What is the unforgivable sin? If someone says to someone who is speaking in strange tongues, "Shut up!". Does it mean he has committed the unforgivable sin? If someone criticizes prophets and pastors, has he committed the unforgivable sin? Because of this many Christians are afraid of speaking up against all these false miracles, signs, prophecies being propagated by these ministers. I know they think this way because of the scenario that led Jesus to talk about the unforgivable sin. In verse 24 it is written "Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, “This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.”
This is exactly what gave people the misconceptions of the unforgivable sin. What led the Pharisees to utter those words? It because they didn't believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God and their long awaited Messiah. In order words, they didn't believe in the Word of God. It is from the heart the mouth speaks, and God looks at the heart and not just spoken words (1 Samuel 16:7).
In verse 25 it written "But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand." That Jesus knew their "thoughts", means Jesus knew their unbelieving hearts, He considered their thoughts not just their spoken words.
Dear fellow Christians, the unforgivable sin is the sin of unbelief. Whosoever commits this one sin cannot be forgiven. Some sins like fornication, murder, theft etc committed out one's weakness can be forgiven. But this sin of unbelief in the gospel of salvation is an unforgivable sin, which one decidedly commits all the days of his life. I mean someone who does not believe in the gospel of Jesus today might believe tomorrow, so the sin of refusing to believe in the gospel of salvation of Jesus Christ till the very end is the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
Let's ponder on this for a moment, how can someone be forgiven when he refuses to believe in the way of salvation? If he commits adultery and has received the way of salvation, his sin is forgiven, if he commits murder and has received the gospel of salvation, his murder is forgiven. How then will he be forgiven when he has rejected the very gospel of salvation? Imagine a man drowning in the ocean, a boat man comes around him, straights forward his hand and says "Give me your hand, let me take you in to my boat", to rescue the drowning man inside his boat. If the drowning man consistently refuses to accept the help, if he insists, "Don't worry, I can swim myself out of this ocean", will he be saved? Absolutely not. Therefore, the very sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the sin of unbelief.
Let me explain this in greater details, Nicodemus came to Jesus by night for the fear of the Pharisees. He believed in Jesus but he wanted to learn more from Him, therefore he came to Him by night so that other Pharisees might not speak ill of him. He came to know the way of salvation which other Pharisees rejected. What did Jesus say to him?
He said “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God." (John 3:5).
This very gospel of the water and the Spirit is the only way to enter the kingdom of God, so rejecting this gospel till the end is the unforgivable sin. God the Father planned our salvation, God the Son fulfilled it by coming to this world wearing human flesh, have our sins transferred to his head during baptism, and paid the price for sins with His own blood on the cross and rose again the third day, having obtained eternal redemption for those who believe. What is then the work of God the Holy Spirit? It is to bear witness of this gospel. 1 John 5:6
"This is He who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth."
Therefore anyone who refuses to believe in the witness of the Holy Spirit that Jesus Christ came by the water of His baptism and the blood of His crucifixion cannot be forgiven either in this world or in the world to come.

Holy spirit is not a person, rather it's more like an appendage of the true God and so doesn't have a mind of its own. Compare Matthew 12:28 with Luke 11:20.
Blasphemy, as we know is defamatory and slanderous and since holy spirit originated with the true God, speaking against it tantamounts to speaking against God.
The Pharisees and the scribes had gone beyond their limit. It was very clear and evident that God's holy spirit was working with Jesus Christ but they willfully ascribed that power to originate from Beelzebub, or Satan the ruler of the demons. So that's why Jesus could say at Matthew 12:31 that:
“For this reason I say to you, every sort of sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the spirit will not be forgiven.” since it is a direct insult and slur to the true God.

MaxInDHouse:
All he can do is to breathe out his frustration on NL that's all.
He's tormented each time he finds out that JWs are united in faith, that's why he keeps telling you to go after JWs for exchanging words with him.
Just keep watch and you'll see that Emusan can't get anything worthwhile to say on NL than to look for JWs and attack them even when you just post something that's simple and straightforward all what Emusan needs to know is you're one of Jehovah's Witnesses, he doesn't want to know your disposition on any topic. Once you're a JW Emusan will start calling you names, he's favourite is "hypocrites" no matter what you post so far you're one of Jehovah's Witnesses your comment to Emusan is always hypocritical!

So far you're a JW even if you create a thread with the topic “The Bible is God's Word”, the man in question will still appear out of nowhere to contend and argue with you.
Ever since I noticed that nonsense, I've been ignoring the guy flat. Can't have that kind of toxic energy around me.

Blabbermouth:
...

Ok

Blabbermouth:
Fixed.

And how did you know it was you I had in mind? There's no other person on this thread, apart from you, is that it?
After all when you go about maligning JWs you don't see anyone correcting you.

haddeylium:

Yet, Wisdom is Justified by its works!

It's not enough to claimed to belong to a religion or to be a Christian. Jesus himself said : “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom (Matthew 7:16, 17)


Like counterfeit money, false religion has no real value such religion is actually harmful. True religion gives everlasting life while false religion leads to destruction.


How do we identify the true religion today?
Jesus said “By their fruits you will recognize them,” he said. “Every good tree produces fine fruit.” (Matthew 7:16, 17)
In summary, true religion would be recognized by their beliefs and their conduct.

What fruit does the true religion produce?
Mention those producing the fruit or practicing it


If you have been on this thread sharing your opinion, this is for you. keep the same energy and validate your belief

...and the effects of it are clearly seen in society today.

Several religious books claim to be divinely inspired. But when it comes to the Bible, the divine wisdom and practical knowledge portrayed in it has sets it aside from other so-called holy books as being the ONLY inspired Book of the true God.(2Timothy 3:16)

Several people claim to be pathways to a divine Being or God. But when it comes to Jesus Christ, who made a similar claim(John 14:6), it's evident that his teachings have had real impact on his true disciples which yielded fine fruits—therefore rubbishing the claims of others who make a similar claim.

Perhaps people must have thought that Jesus was being close-minded when he said it was only through him that one could access God.(John 14:6) Korah, Dathan, Abiram in the days of Moses claimed that God had spoken through them too. What was the end result? (Numbers 16:1-50)
Or some might be like Pontius Pilate who believed that truth was relative—so they think that whatever one source(in this case, the Bible) says can't be taken for the whole truth.(John 18:38)


Today, Jehovah's Witnesses have made a similar claim to be the only true religion. But is that out of the ordinary or being close-minded? No.
After all the Israelites were the only nation on earth where true and acceptable worship was practised in the past. Outside Israel, no way to the true God. Waste of time.
Knowing that Jehovah's standards do not change(Malachi 3:6), how is it difficult to believe that he keeps a similar arrangement like in the past?
Only this time around it's not based on a geographical location.(John 4:24)

Knowing the true God is not a God of disorder(1Corinthians 14:33), He must have documented in his written Word, the Bible, the ways to identify those who are truly servants of Him.(Isaiah 2:2-4, Matthew 5:13-16, 24:14, John 13:34-35, 17:14-16, 18:36, 2Timothy 3:16 etc)

So it's left to every individual to use his power of reason to consider all the identifying factors and discern which group today is actually approved of the true God. Those who have taken the time to search out the true religion have found it to be Jehovah's Witnesses.(Isaiah 43:10-12)

Kobojunkie:

You're dumbfounded, is that it?
Stating your own opinions contrary to the Bible is wrong, Kobojunkie.

Kobojunkie:
What does it matter to this discussion what Jesus Christ gave/sacrificed to give us what He gave us? This gift is available to all those who simply believe in Him... Yes, all those who believe in Jesus Christ will get the gift regardless of whether they obey Him or not, that is what matters in this discussion here.

I'm not sure you mean the bolded, or do you? Because even some of your fellow churchgoers and independent freethinker religionists might disagree with you on that.
Do demons believe God and Jesus or not? (James 2:19)
Isn't there a difference in mere believing in something and acting towards it?

Ihedinobi3:
Very well then. That's all I need: a deliberate choice to ignore everything that your opponent says just so that you can indulge in the lies and delusions that please you. I understand then that it is a waste of time to try to reason with you.

At least when I decide not to engage someone on nairaland or anywhere else—no matter what the person may try to say or do—I'll always ignore. It's not pride, no, I should call it being principled.
But I'm not sure I can say the same for you however. You've been announcing since forever that MaxInDHouse and I are “unreasonable”, as you say, but your responses to both of us are usually the longest, wow.
Stick by your principles, if you do have any btw.

And when you demand an explanation right after dismissing my whole post, you're being willfully absurd. It was you who claimed that the Trinity has been debunked so many times on Nairaland and you've only been here since June this year, so either you're lying through your teeth or you don't know what you're talking about.

When I registered the moniker ‘DappaD’ is of no importance to me, you or anybody else. But I see that it's one of the straws you're grappling onto, hoping to make a point.
Perhaps you're in your 20s that's why you think life begins and ends on the internet. I've said it before, and that which is a confirmed fact—the trinity doctrine has been thoroughly analyzed and dismembered as one of the most faulty creeds in history.

As for arguing fruitlessly, I have said several times that I'm neither the founder nor the proponent of a cult. I argue in order to make sure that a witness is made for the truth. Those who wish to hear will hear. It is not my job to capture followers like it is yours as a cult.
As for "changing mouth," there is yet another proof of your deceit. You are a liar, sir, and a wilful one too.

Here you go again. Lol. Later it's DappaD who is abusing. Thank your stars it's not me who put words into your mouth this time. This will be my last reply to you, on this matter, Ihedinobi3.

Ihedinobi3:


I think that I will avoid talking to you going forward. Just as I said, when some of you are still new on the forum, you put up a front that suggests that you may be decent or more productive to talk with, just as was my impression with Maximus with his first monicker, but as time goes on, you show just how "street" you are, how uncouth and unreasoning.
What is the point of talking about defamation? Is defamation of character not the same as making unsubstantiated accusations with a view to giving someone a bad reputation? Did I not explain that I provided what I believed to be evidence? Have you refuted the evidence to show that my accusations are false? On what basis then are you talking about defamation of character?
"Playing the victim card"? LOL. It is kinder to you for me to "play the victim card." If you want me to stoop to your level, I could, but I prefer not to in order to show respect to my commanding officer. If I did, you would soon learn how abusive I once knew how to be.

Oh please! Now, your fervent talks are getting all the more boring. I could barely get through the first line. Lol.
Try your possible best to keep your comments simple and straightforward. I don't have time to read jargon.

Ihedinobi3:

As for Jehovah's Witnesses, you're a cult of liars.

Until you're ready to explain how the above isn't insulting, abusing and defaming—then I don't think you have any right to play the victim here.

As for your time on this platform, you're the one who made a claim as if you have been on Nairaland since the first day it launched. Have your say, if you please, but don't make claims about which you know nothing. Where were you when myself, Enigma, MrAnony1, and a bunch of others were debating the Trinity with ijawkid, truthislight, and others of your ilk? Certainly not here. Yet, you think you can tell me how soundly the Trinity argument has been defeated so many times over. And on Nairaland no less.

Please what does the registration date on an online forum have to do with anything?

Oh so you know you have an outstanding record of arguing fruitlessly online and maybe I should congratulate you for that?
Whether you've been on nairaland since 200.5 or you joined yesterday, is of no importance to me.
Fact remains that your trinity doctrine has been thoroughly dissected and punctured even before nairaland came into existence. Lmao. Does your world begin and end with NL? If so, seek help.

As for your opinion, my posts are still public, any reasoning person can tell whether I ever solicited your opinion on anything. You've been having delusions of grandeur since I addressed you, suggesting at least once that I want to learn something from you, in spite of the fact that I have demonstrated several times that I know the JW doctrine quite well and don't need your tutoring in it. If you want to talk, by all means, talk, but when you claim that I either want you to or have asked you to share your opinion, keep in mind that you are only proving yourself the liar that I said that you and your ilk are. So, no defamation of character there, just a statement of fact.

LOL. He has changed mouth. I bet you were hoping I wouldn't respond to this.

Ihedinobi3:
I've accused you and your cohorts of letting yourselves be deceived and of deceiving others. These are accusations that I have substantiated with what I am convinced is evidence from the Bible. You claimed that I was being abusive, and I decided to ignore your claim as a foolish one, since an accusation is a different thing from abuse or insult. That is what abuse means. I don't subject myself to mistreatment just because. I am absolutely under no obligation to endure it from you except for any personal reasons that I seem fit. So, when I say that I don't typically talk to your kind, although you are free to take it however you please, this is most definitely why I don't.

LOL.

Ihedinobi3:
As for Jehovah's Witnesses, you're a cult of liars.

According to Ihedinobi3, the above is an “accusation” and not abuse, insults or slander. Okay. I think someone should educate Ihedinobi3 on what defamation is.

Ihedinobi3:
But now you insinuate that I am on drugs only because I disagree with you?

Okay but you insinuate that JWs are a ‘cult of liars’ only because they don't agree with you? Which carries more weight?

Please spare me this self-righteous crap and quit playing the victim card here. I can see through all of that.

As for debunking, perhaps you have been on Nairaland with some other monicker in the past, but this one you're using right now dates from the middle of this year. I have been on Nairaland with occasional breaks and different monickers since 2011. I have debated far better behaved JWs than yourself and your cohorts (e.g. truthislight) more than once and I have never seen the Trinity debunked once on this forum. But, of course, as you yourself said, we see what we want to see. As far as very many of the atheists on this platform are concerned too, the notion of God's Existence has been debunked ad infinitum ad nauseum.

Since when is the registration date for an online forum the yardstick for determining who gets a say on matters?
Whatever lens you're seeing me through is of no importance to me, really.

I personally don't care what you think has happened. I know what I know, and I believe what I believe, and I follow the Bible.
As for "I Am," if you have a real problem with my argument, state it, and maybe I will entertain it.

Okay. Since you're satisfied with what you know—I don't think there's any need soliciting for my opinion.

Ihedinobi3:
Well, I don't believe that the Bible teaches that the Archangel Michael is Jesus Christ. From where I stand, it is ridiculous in the extreme.

As for what the Lord Jesus said, He didn't say that before Abraham He was or had been, He said that before Abraham He IS. He was saying the exact same thing as He said in the burning bush to Moses --

14 And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, I AM has sent me to you.’ ”
Exodus 3:14 (NKJV)

and through Paul in Hebrews --

8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
Hebrews 13:8 (NKJV)

That is what I actually see in the Bible.

So anywhere you see “I am” in the Scriptures, it's referring to YHWH?
What drugs are you on?
Of course that's what you're going to see when you choose to believe in a trinity doctrine that has been debunked several times on NL. Lol.

AkinwaleJJ:
I believe you have a wife at home so try to respect yourself, i'll not take it lightly with you as you're always throwing insults at everyone having contrary opinion to yours.
You can politely make your point without insulting people, JWs aren't spirits, we are humans like everyone else so because we have a different believe from yours doesn't give you the impetus to start insulting us and expecting us to keep quiet.
So i'll leave you for now but next time you insult me i'll show you that women knows how to insult much more than men!

The guy wants to make a point even when he knows there's none. All the protesters on the streets we're seeing everyday, aren't they all members of one particular church or the other? Aren't they endorsed by their church leaders? Aren't they left without SOLID hope for the future? So what exactly have their religious leaders been preaching to them?

AkinwaleJJ:
Seriously DappaD got this topic right, otherwise most Churchgoers will think they have what it takes to preach and teach others. Now it's clear that the only idea false religion taught them is Hellfire to instill fear in them.
Apart from the fear of Hellfire there is nothing in their minds, no wonder they love standing by the roadside and in buses speaking into the air. They simply don't know what to TEACH!

The right motive is important when it comes to service to the true God.
We worship Jehovah God because of love we developed from meditating on his name and Word.(Psalm 119:165, Malachi 3:16)
We keep his commandments and statutes because we love Him. (1John 5:3)


Meanwhile, it's evident that churchgoers have the wrong motive and wrong knowledge when it comes to worship. They have given attention to false stories and teachings so the truth continues to elude them. Religious leaders have told and taught them what they want to hear. They don't want to hear that you'll carry bag under sun from house to house preaching God's Kingdom.(Matthew 24:14). Rather what they want to hear is that anyhow you are, just come to church, sow seed and shout from morning to night in the name of prayer and God will give you loads of money. (2Timothy 4:3-4)

So when JWs don't acknowledge them, they see it fit to throw tantrums here and there.(2Corinthians 11:12-13)

Ihedinobi3:


Psalms 8:5 says that angels (that is, plural) are el'ohim. Does it say that any individual angel is el'ohim?
I don't believe you when you say that "el" means "mighty one". I believe that you are lying about that. Lying, I said, not mistaken, because you and I have talked a few times on this platform and you have repeated this lie every time.

The Lord Jesus called Himself "I Am" (John 8:58) which is the Name YHWH.

But, as I said, you know all this, so I know that you're a willful liar and also an abusive debater, so I have no intent to engage you beyond this point unless you say something worth responding to for the benefit of others.

There is no correlation between YHWH and what Jesus said at John 8:58
So how did you come about the bolded?

John 8:58
“Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, before Abraham came into existence, I have been.””
Jesus Christ existing as the archangel Michael was the first creature Jehovah God made before every other thing—living and nonliving were created through Jesus Christ.(1Corinthians 8:6)
Even angel Gabriel existed before Abraham(Job 38:7)
So when Jesus said he had been existence before Abraham, he means he was in heaven alongside his Father, Jehovah when the earth was being created.(Proverbs 8:22-31, John 1:1-3, Colossians 1:15-17, Revelation 3:14)

livingchrist:

Hafdeylium

Did you forget this verse?
Exodus 6:3
And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

If Jehovah told Abraham, Isaac and Jacob his name at Genesis 15:7, 26:24-25, 28:13 and later said at Exodus 6:3 that he didn't make his name known to them, don't you think there is an explanation to this?
Before you say you didn't ask me, are you ready to know the reason behind Exodus 6:3?

Living christ *Can you show me anywhere in the bible where Jesus mention God's name as Jehovah?*
there were many people who had Jehovah attached to their names, you have not pointed where Jesus even mention Jehovah's name, not in prayer or in preaching, so how did Jesus now declare God's name?

Mark 12:29-31 quoted directly from Deuteronomy 6:4-5:

Jesus answered: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah, and you must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind and with your whole strength.’ The second is this, ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”

Even when Satan tempted Jesus, Jesus directed all worship to his God and Father.(compare Matthew 4:10 with Deuteronomy 6:13)

haddeylium:
They schooled you in that other thread .
You gentle
You pasting the same thing everywhere. Rest!

Leave the guy. He thinks I have his time.

MaxInDHouse:
The name "JEHOVAH" is the most important of all that is written in the Bible!

Though i never knew this before i became one of Jehovah's Witnesses and nobody told me this but through my experience in life i've discovered that there is just one religious group that all the adherents work together as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers, they will never lift up weapons against anybody yet they're the fear/target of world's most fierce rulers, everyone know them as a group having strong bond (LOVE) amongst themselves, their youths are the joy of every parent as those who caused their birth have rest of mind. Proverbs 29:17
These and many more makes these group unique at all times and the only difference between them and all other religions is the unique name of their God that they always call upon in prayer!
So when all other religions are in confusion, arguing, abusing, insulting, cursing and even fighting one another in the name of their own Gods, Jehovah's Witnesses are unitedly worshiping their own God JEHOVAH with LOVE, JOY and PEACE! Micah 4:5 compare to Proverbs 18:10

Please help me tell them.

Ndipe:
"After eight days his disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors having been shut, and stood in their midst and said, "Peace be with you." Then he said to Thomas, "Reach here with your finger, and see my hands; and reach here your hand and put it into my side; and do not be unbelieving, but believing." Thomas answered and said to him, "My Lord and my God!" (John 20:26-28).

Jesus still had the scars on his hands He sustained during the crucifixion.


https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_1352.cfm

It's like you've not met Thomas before.
Read inbetween the lines of the Scriptures. He has always wanted to see some divine expressions of his Father, Jehovah, even after Jesus had performed many signs. He still wanted further proof that Jesus originated with God.(John 14:8.)
That's to show you how skeptical the Thomas guy was.
So on this particular occasion, to make Thomas believe that he(Jesus) actually resurrected after his death, Jesus materialised into a body with those defects and showed it as evidence to Thomas that he had been raised up.

If that explanation is not enough for you, you're going to explain why and how Jesus was carrying wounds and lacerations about everywhere and whether he took those scars to heaven.