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Acehart:
All things that the Father hath are mine(Joh 16:15)

The word “all” when to describe the scores between two parties mean both parties are equal. The word “all” here also means that the whole quantity or extent of the Father, belongs to the Son. We know that the word “all” means “entire” or “entirety”. In the Greek translation, “All things” means “Whatsoever”. Therefore, if the Father is crowned with glory, Jesus is crowned with glory; if the Father is honoured as God, the same honour is attributed to the Son because “All” that the Father has, the Son has as well.

Mr Acehart
I know you're a man of reason. I respect that.
But you and your people should leave explanations out of this and just provide the scripture that said “Jesus is God”. Thank you.

solite3:
what else can be more verbatim than that.
Jesus has all power in heaven and on earth

So did that place say that “Jesus is God” or you enjoy beating around the bush as usual?

MuttleyLaff:
You, Maximus69 and Co are satan’s mouthpiece and a phoney.
You all are just like your father, the devil. The father of lies

Very confused man you are and the rest of ya. I should have known never send a bwoy, to do a grown man's job, to show where, in the scriptures it is verbatim written that "Jesus is Michael"

OK oo
Lemme just quote the words of Jesus at Matthew 10:24-25
““A student is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master. It is enough for the student to become as his teacher, and the slave as his master. If people have called the master of the house Be·elʹze·bub, how much more those of his household?” ”
If the Pharisees could call Jesus, Beelzebub/Satan, what do you think people of the same kind as the Pharisees—in this case, YOU, would call those of his household i.e. his disciples?
THINK!

WizzyVine:
You're avoiding the question. Good. Shows your claim to a Michaelic Jesus is false.

Many scriptures reveal that Jesus is God. See below:

John 1

John.1.1-3
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Continued
John.1.10 - 12

He was in the world, and the world was made by him, [/b]and the world knew him not.
He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

John.1.14
[b]And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John.1.17 -18
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

The above scripture reveals:

1. Jesus pre-existed as the Word, and not as an angel.
2. The Word itself is God
3. The word became flesh (Jesus) and dwelt among men.
4. The Word that became flesh was rejected by His own for they knew Him not. Some today even think He's angel Michael.
5. He is the only begotten of the Father.

Now the Word was. The Word was God. The Word became flesh. God, the Word transformed Himself to man! Hallelujah!!

The Holy Spirit added, that "...Grace and truth came by Jesus Christ." Deliberately mentioning His name so that some people won't come up and say, the Word is Moses, Michael or Mohammed.

Talking about Jesus in
1st Timothy 6:15

"..which He will manifest in His own time, He who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords"

Who is the blessed and only potentate? The Almighty God. The Word that became flesh and dwelt among men. His name isn't Michael. His name is Jesus Christ. Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.

You're still not getting it
If I give you 1Thessalonians 4:16 and explain that in the future, Jesus will come with an archangel's voice—confirming that he's the archangel Michael, you WILL not agree with me so why should I agree with your own explanation since you can't show me the scripture that said “Jesus is God” verbatim?

MuttleyLaff:
You can never find anywhere in the scriptures where it is verbatim written that "Jesus is Michael"

Oh so you don't like when the tables are reversed.
How convenient

Til you point out which verse of the Bible said “Jesus is God” like that, you'll just continue to deceive yourself.

MuttleyLaff:
We need where the Bible said verbatim that “Jesus is Michael”.
Can you provide the verse or not?

MuttleyLaff
I need where the Bible said verbatim that
“Jesus is the Almighty God”.
Can you provide the verse or not?

solite3:
scroll up, my reply to maximums

Mr solite3

I need where the Bible said verbatim that “Jesus is the Almighty God”.
Can you provide the verse or not?

MuttleyLaff:
Yinmu

‘False sense of peace and security’ in the midst of 8.7million men and women across the globe who

✓ Have ALL vowed not to take up weapons of war or participate in military because of love for Jehovah God and love for neighbour (Matthew 22:37-40). Also because Jehovah God said he was going to eliminate war on planet earth in the future(Psalm 46:9) and we as his people have demonstrated that by not participating in war/strife. (Isaiah 2:2-4, Matthew 26:52)

✓ Have succeeded in erasing ALL traces of TRIBAL/RACIAL hate amongst themselves because love for our Christian brothers and sisters in the congregation surpasses all tribal/racial bias —John 13:34-35.
This is evidently shown when you hear people say things like “Jehovah's Witnesses love only themselves” perhaps you people should argue with Jesus at John 13:34-35


The world is witness to what happened in Rwanda 1994—the mass slaughter of the Tutsi tribe by the Hutu tribes.
I think you should go online and read more about what happened in so-called religious groups and then compare it to how Hutu Jehovah's Witnesses treated their brothers from the Tutsi tribe. Some even had to lose their lives on account of their brothers!


✓ Have eliminated ALL traces of political strife/wahala/divide amongst themselves. Political neutrality is the stand Jesus said his followers would maintain in the “last days” — John 6:15; 17:14,16; 18:36.

And which other group has displayed all of these qualities determining true religion if not only JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES?

Mr MuttleyLaff, war, racism, tribalism, politics are what divides people/disrupts PEACE in all religions today and Jehovah's Witnesses, with Jesus(Prince of Peace as their leader—Isaiah 9:6,7;Ephesians 5:23) have succeeded in eliminating ALL traces of such from their midst.
Until you're ready to show us a similar group that has achieved this, you'll only be wasting your time dragging this any further.
‘False sense of peace and security indeed’.

MuttleyLaff:
"And Jesus said to him,
"The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air nests;
but the Son of Man has nowhere He might lay the head.""
- Luke 9:58

The title the Son of Man often used by Yahusha Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, as like seen in Luke 9:58 above, is a clever, conscious, calculating and deliberate way of Yahusha Ha Mashiach expressing Himself for the benefit of the audience and/or hearers' understanding, that He, actually is begotten of the Father (i.e. revealing the Divinity and so divine side of Himself) and born of a mother (i.e. acknowledging the humanity and so humane, human being side of Himself)

"For a child is born to us, a son is given to us. The government will rest on his shoulders. And he will be called:
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace"
- Isaiah 9:6

"A voice cries:
“In the wilderness prepare the way of the Lord; make straight in the desert a highway for our God."
- Isaiah 40:3

Isaiah 9:6 is in harmony with Isaiah 40:3. Fyi, the voice crying in the wilderness is Jesus' cousin, John the Baptist

PS: You too are warming up to now using "verbatim", smh, yet you couldn't produce verbatim your false allegation levied against me. KMT

Where did the Bible say “Jesus is God” ?
Simple!
I don't need too much explanations.

WizzyVine:
Before I answer your question, just first tell me right now, where the Bible says Jesus is angel Michael. Tell me right now, and I'll give you a whole drum of truth.

You hate Isaiah 9:6 because it exposes your heresy. What's out of context in that scripture that explicitly prophesied the Virgin birth?

Tell us now, just one scripture that says Jesus is Michael.

Me now I'm asking

Where did the Bible say “Jesus is God” ?
Simple!
I don't need too much explanations.

solite3:
Somebody that has all the power in heaven and on earth is what?

Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

What is the meaning of "Almighty" again?

Where did the Bible say “Jesus is God” ?
Simple!
I don't need too much explanations.

WizzyVine:
Hahaha. So you have such deeper things similar to you 'Michael is Jesus' ideology. Deeper things derived from twisted truths. Teacher, teach yourself. You who are washed by the blood of Michael and redeemed by his crucifixtion, will be welcomed to Michael's eternal kingdom at the end of time.

That day is coming. It shall be very terrible for some people.

Simple question we've been asking all of you trinitarians for decades.

Where did the Bible say that Jesus is the Almighty God ?
As in show us the Bible verse that said
“Jesus is God” verbatim please.

Unless you saw Jesus in Isaiah 9:6 I suggest you don't quote it anymore since the idea of considering context eludes the most of you.

WizzyVine:
Why don't you direct your question to the One who wrote that verse of scripture? Am I the writer?

What more can I say Mr WizzyVine?
See problem oo
You said you're going to heaven to judge Michael and the angels, then I said
“OK! Safe journey on your trip there. ”

What more do you want me to say, WizzyVine?
That I agree with your fictitious claim?

elated177:
Your brothers in group refused to heed the advice. Haven't you mentioned my moniker since then?

As for trashing my beliefs, you don't stand a chance. None of you does. If you did, you would have taken up the challenge.

OK oo

elated177:
This must be the part where I condescend to your level and start wallowing in the mud with you, right? Nah! Never gonna happen.

So now you're ready to condescend to our level and start wallowing in the mud?
It is happening o

Guy, I'll make you eat your own words if you don't vamoose.

WizzyVine:
To be deceived, you only need to be ignorant. But, when you openly parade that ignorance in a show of pride, it is disheartening.

Read the scriptures:

1 Cor. 6:3

Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

That's why I asked one simple question:



So you will go to heaven and judge angels abi?



Mr WizzyVine I didn't argue with you. I only wished you safe journey on the trip you're to embark on.

MuttleyLaff:
[s]I am still waiting for you to reproduce, the exact word for word of where I allegedly had said: "the ‘spirit’[ruach] at Ecclesiastes 12:7 meant God's holy spirit"

You should go hide your face in a corner for being abysmally found wanting and with your pants down.

Now if you manage to calm down and return back with what is the Aramaic/Hebrew word for the breathe of God and what is the Aramaic/Hebrew word for the Holy Spirit, then you might get an epiphany[/s]

You have been ignored successfully ✓.

WizzyVine:
My questions are pointing you to search your soul and reconsider your heresy.

Look, Psalm 82:6 says,

I said, “You are gods, And all of you are children of the Most High.

In that context,.all the children of God are gods. Yes, even as all the children of man are men, and all the children of rat are rats.

So, the scriptures say "I have made you a god unto Pharaoh." Notice the words, 'I have made', and the words 'a god'.

In sharp contrast to Isaiah 9:6, speaking concerning the son that should be born, "He shall be called the... Mighty God."

No mortal man or angel have ever been called 'The Mighty God'. Remove the definite article 'The' and return the 'G' case to lower case 'g' for god when referring to men and angels.

Being a god is not tantamount to being The Mighty God. There is a massive deception going on here.

Now, if you believe Jesus to be Michael, and that Michael died for your sins, it means you're a worshiper of angel Michael. But I know that at the mention of the name of 'Michael', no knee shall bow, and no tongue shall confess that Michael is Lord.

I never knew till today that such horrendous form of theological heresy exists in christiendom till today. I went online to research if any group exists with your kind of belief. I found to my surprise, that the 7th day Adventists and Jehovah Witnesses hold this strange theology. No wonder other Christians label these groups as cults.

I then began to see why the Apostle Paul addressed this issue in his epistle to the church at Colosse, instructing them never to worship angels. And I seriously believe that this epistle would have been the best place for Paul to speak in detail about Michael if Michael was Jesus, just as the writer of Hebrews explained fully the issue of Melchizedek.

To confess against your own soul that Michael died for you, almost brought tears to my eyes. I saw how men can be so blinded by counterfeit theology when they neglect to pursue the revelation of the Holy Spirit.

See, the Bible is not alphabets and stories, it takes the help of the Holy Spirit to see light and illumination from the Living Word.

I'm not a trinitarian, neither can I ever be. I don't belong to any denomination, neither do I hold on to any denominational doctrines.

The truth of the Bible is my doctrine, I don't care about any church Creed. Of course, call me what you like, but simply, I am a disciple of Jesus Christ. And I am one of those who will judge angels as the Bible has said in 1Cor. 5. And Michael of course, is also one who shall be judged by the saints.

OK!
So you will go to heaven and judge angels abi?
Safe journey on your trip there

MuttleyLaff:
Of course, you would be more interested in continuing fabricating more lies and shifting the goal post from the original lie you concocted
Also you cant bring yourself to answer those two easy, simple, harmless, innocent, straightforward questions because you know answering them will let your sin find you out.

It must be how you all are taught in JW. There's no explanation for the reason why and how you are this so good in being shifty and skilled in peddling lies

Fabricating lies from what you said with your own mouth abi?

The post I cropped out from your former post is up there for anybody willing to know which of us is telling the lies
As if somebody will beat you if you agree you have gaps in your knowledge
No wahala Mr MuttleyLaff continue

elated177:
What say you, janosky, dappad and maximus69?

elated177:
Like I stated; no problem. Maintain your Lane and I will maintain mine.

I thought we agreed to maintain our own lanes
And I took your word for it—so why are you still hellbent on having your beliefs trashed?

MuttleyLaff:
[img]https://s5/images/MuttleyLaffSLJackonStare.gif[/img]
"Abosi akan, omi ni ootu" loosely translated means "Water exposes a rogue crab"
People don't like the truth. The truth doesn't taste good when it's in a belly full of lies.

1/ What is the Aramaic/Hebrew word for the breathe of God?
2/ What is the Aramaic/Hebrew word for the Holy Spirit?

Mr MuttleyLaff
I am more interested in why you had to equate the breath of life in humans to God's holy spirit.
Periodt.

MuttleyLaff:
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Where is my apology?

Yahusha Ha Mashiach saves.
Only Him can save you. Smh.
I'll drum it in your blocked ears again. Context is King. Stop misinterpreting what I typed and doing so in isolation of the whole content

Abi you wan tell me say you no know Maths?
Go argue with the Transitivity law nah
I Don hear you

MuttleyLaff:
Typical prooftexting, why not read Exodus 7:1 close enough to see, how and who made Moshe aka Moses, seem like God to Pharaoh, hmm? Read closely enough to see who bestowed Moshe aka Moses, the privilege to be a divine representative of God before Pharaoh. Tsk. Smh

The end ni opin cinema

Thank you @ the above highlighted words Mr MuttleyLaff. Let me use your analogy now.

So since Jesus is also a divine representative of God—as you put it, does this still make him the same as his Father, Jehovah?
Please read John 12:45, 14:9, Colossians 1:15 and Hebrews 1:3 let's see where the confusion is emanating from

MuttleyLaff:
You are a bonafide and kofam unrepentant irredeemable shameless bare faced liar because you fabricated a pack of lies.

Now when you were asked to bring evidence of me where, according to your lies, I said "the ‘spirit’[ruach] at Ecclesiastes 12:7 meant God's holy spirit" you were abysmally found wanting and with your pants down.

Is that what you're taught to learn at JW? Smh. Inventing malicious stories and misleading the readership with it, hmm?

Perhaps I made an error with the Scripture you quoted.

But you did say ‘the breath of life’/‘spirit’at Genesis 2:7 is God's holy spirit/spirit of God which is an erroneous blunder Mr MuttleyLaff.
See the below.

MuttleyLaff:
...

Genesis 2:7 and Job 33:4 above, informs us, its "ruach" the Spirit from God and "neshamah" that keeps the human body animated.


Fyi, "ruach", in Hebrew, with its corresponding Greek word "pneuma" essentially and in an almost oversimplified way means force. It is breath, wind, spirit of God, all rolled in as one thing. It in a sense, is the invisible force or power of God, hence why being perceived as a Spirit, so yes, "ruach" is the Spirit of God.In fact you wont wrong in saying that "ruach" or "Ha Ruach Ha Kodesh" is the Holy Spirit, as in, the Spirit of God.
...

Look at the underlined words.
And last time I checked, the ‘spirit/breath of life’ at Genesis 2:7 is exactly the same impersonal spirit/breath/lifeforce mentioned at Ecclesiastes 12:7.

From the Law of Transitivity in Mathematics: A=B, B=C, A=C; this statement holds with regards to the claim you made last year so I maintain my stand when I say you have gaps in your knowledge as to what God's holy spirit is.

WizzyVine:
You mean the Mighty God and Everlasting Father of Isaiah 9:6, didn't have authority over his creatures until he resurrected? You and I know too well that Jesus displayed authority on earth ever before being crucified.

1. He walked on water
2. He raised the dead
3. He cast out demons
4. Luke 9 and 10, He gave authority to His disciples to cast out devils and heal the sick.

You're misconstruing that Isaiah 9:6 scripture oo
Are you saying that mortal men and the other angels in heaven haven't been called this title “Mighty God”[El Gibbor] before?
Well for your information, Moses was God[El Gibbor] when he stood before Pharaoh—Exodus 7:1
Angels in heaven are also mighty gods—Psalm 103:20 so that title isn't exclusive to one person only.

I ask again, who died for your sins? The King of kings or one of the chief princes?

WizzyVine I won't continue with you much longer, seeing your questions are merely repetitive.

WizzyVine:
Michael:

But the prince of the kingdom of Persia opposed me twenty-one days. So Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, and I left him there with the prince of the kingdom of Persia (Daniel 10:13).

Jesus:

On his robe and on his thigh He has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords. (Rev. 19:16).

We see Jesus rebuking the devil during his 40 day fasting in the wilderness. In Jude, Michael could not even rebuke Satan, only said, "The Lord rebuke you."

I ask again, who died for your sins? Is it Jesus the King of kings and Lord of lords, or, Michael, one of the chief princes?

And I reply again, Jesus Christ(Michael the archangel) by means of his death on the torture stake rescued me from sin and death—Matthew 28:18, Colossians 1:13,14, 1Timothy 2:6, Hebrew 9:26-27.
Michael/Jesus Christ is the only one/mediator standing in behalf of God's people on earth. (See Daniel 12:1//And then check Hebrews 9:24)

WizzyVine:
Michael:

But the prince of the kingdom of Persia opposed me twenty-one days. So Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, and I left him there with the prince of the kingdom of Persia (Daniel 10:13).

Jesus:

On his robe and on his thigh He has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords. (Rev. 19:16).

We see Jesus rebuking the devil during his 40 day fasting in the wilderness. In Jude, Michael could not even rebuke Satan, only said, "The Lord rebuke you."

I ask again, who died for your sins? Is it Jesus the King of kings and Lord of lords, or, Michael, one of the chief princes?

What part of Matthew 28:18, Ephesians 1:20,21 and Philippians 2:9 don't you understand?

WizzyVine:
Michael died for your sins? Laughable.

Yes Michael the archangel died to rescue me from sin and death — Matthew 20:28, Colossians 1:13,14, 1Timothy 2:6

MuttleyLaff:
You are an unrepentant irredeemable shameless bare faced liar. You have moved from concocting false accusations to erroneous blunder. I knew you had no proof to substantiate your falsehood with in the first place. Continue there, OK? You go soon hear.

OK OK
So only DappaD is “unrepentant irredeemable shameless bare faced liar” because I pointed out the blunder you made.
No wahala I've heard you

MuttleyLaff:
Ara adugbo, ẹjọ, ẹ surubomika, ẹ wa gba mi ooo, lọwọ awọn ase ọmọ araiye ooo.

DappaD, besides the fact that context is king, where in the whole content did you find MuttleyLaff type that "the ‘spirit’[ruach] at Ecclesiastes 12:7 meant God's holy spirit" hmm? Where instead of this appalling conjecture did MuttleyLaff type that "the ‘spirit’[ruach] at Ecclesiastes 12:7 meant God's holy spirit" hmm? Where is the verbatim. Smh. I know who your father is. KMT

Okay so you're looking for who will tell you that you made an erroneous blunder
Remain there na

WizzyVine:
Colossians 1:16, talking about Jesus:

"For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him."

Isaiah 9:6 talking about Jesus:

"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."

John 1:3 talkng about Jesus:

"All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

Now, you want to argue with the scriptures? Go ahead.

OK
1Corinthians 8:6

“there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.”

If we're to understand the highlighted better, we'll consider other Scriptures— Proverbs 8:22-31, John 1:1,3 and Colossians 1:15-17
All things created are from Jehovah God including Jesus(the firstborn of all creation i.e. Michael the archangel) and afterwards, every other thing was created “through”/“on account of” Jesus Christ who was alongside his Father, Jehovah God as a “masterworker” — Proverbs 8:30

MuttleyLaff:
"You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father.
He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him.
Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies"
- John 8:44

Na dem, na dem, one of the many out there, the accuser of our brethren
No surprises he isnt able to find anything to dig up, especially when it does not exist
It'll be looking for a black cat, in a dark room, when there wasn't a cat, in the first place to go look for. You'll end up sweating like as if a pig, in the futile adventure exercise

Among the countless blunders you made in one post, I was able to single out where you asserted that.

MuttleyLaff: 4:36am On Nov 19, 2019

MuttleyLaff:
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Genesis 2:7 and Job 33:4 above, informs us, its "ruach" the Spirit from God and "neshamah" that keeps the human body animated.


Fyi, "ruach", in Hebrew, with its corresponding Greek word "pneuma" essentially and in an almost oversimplified way means force. It is breath, wind, spirit of God, all rolled in as one thing. It in a sense, is the invisible force or power of God, hence why being perceived as a Spirit, so yes, "ruach" is the Spirit of God. In fact you wont wrong in saying that "ruach" or "Ha Ruach Ha Kodesh" is the Holy Spirit, as in, the Spirit of God.
...

Saying the breath of life is the same as God holy spirit is one of the worst Scriptural blunders you can make, EVER.

WizzyVine:
If Michael is the same Jesus whom Isaiah called "The Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace...." How then can the creator not have power over his creature?

I'm having trouble understanding what you're saying Mr WizzyVine—I don't think we're on the same page here.
You and who said Jesus is the ‘creator’? Do you think I'm a trinitarian?