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Emusan:
There's no how you people will try to twist the scripture that your lies won't be exposed.



You vividly know that "THE MAN WE ARE OUTSIDE" denotes the FLESHY BODY but only to twist "The man we are INSIDE" when they both have the same phrase.



The two @underlined show that you know the truth but decided to bend it.

It's evident that what Paul is describing is a PERSON inside us using the phrase "MAN - INSIDE" man is conscious so what is INSIDE is also self conscious.

This is clear from your post by using the term "SPIRITUAL PERSON we are inside" and you shot yourself in the foot that way.

Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers:
"The “outward man,” the material framework of the body, is undergoing a gradual process of decay, but the “inward man,” the higher spiritual life, is “day by day” passing through successive stages of renewal, gaining fresh energies. This verb also, and its derivative “renewal,” are specially characteristic of St. Paul. (Comp. Romans 12:2; Colossians 3:10; Titus 3:5.) The verb in Ephesians 4:23, though not the same, is equivalent in meaning.

Benson Commentary:
2 Corinthians 4:16-17. For which cause — Because of which abounding grace that supports us; we faint not — Under any of our present pressures; but though our outward man — The body; perish — Be worn out and brought to dust prematurely, by our continual labours and sufferings; our inward man — The soul; is renewed day by day — After the divine nature and likeness, receiving fresh degrees of spiritual strength, purity, and consolation, in proportion as the body grows weaker, and we feel our dissolution approaching. 

Barnes' Notes on the Bible:
But though our outward man perish - By outward man, Paul evidently means the body. By using the phrases, "the outward man," and the "inward man," he shows that he believed that man was made up of two parts, body and soul. He was no materialist. He has described two parts as constituting man, so distinct: that while the one perishes, the other is renewed; while the one is enfeebled, the other is strengthened; while the one grows old and decays, the other renews its youth and is invigorated. Of course, the soul is not dependent on the body for its vigor and strength, since it expands while the body decays; and of course the soul may exist independently of the body, and in a separate state.

Yet the inward man - The soul; the undecaying, the immortal part.

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary:
16. we faint not—notwithstanding our sufferings. Resuming 2Co 4:1.

outward man—the body, the flesh.

perish—"is wearing away"; "is wasted away" by afflictions.

inward man—our spiritual and true being, the "life" which even in our mortal bodies (2Co 4:11) "manifests the life of Jesus."

Meyer's NT Commentary:
2 Corinthians 4:16. Διό] namely, on account of the certainty expressed in 2 Corinthians 4:14 (partly elucidated in 2 Corinthians 4:15), in significant keeping with εἰδότες, and hence not to be referred back to the faith of the preachers, 2 Corinthians 4:13 (Hofmann).

οὐκ ἐκκακ.] as 2 Corinthians 4:1. The opposite of ἐκκακ. is: our inward man, i.e. our morally self-conscious personality, with the thinking and willing νοῦς and the life-principle of the πνεῦμα (see on Romans 7:22; Ephesians 3:16; comp. 1 Peter 3:4)

Pulpit Commentary:
Verses 16-18. - The Christian minister is upheld by hope. Verse 16. - Therefore. Knowing that our daily death is the pathway to eternal life (ver. 14). We faint not (see ver. 1). Though; rather, even if. Our outward man. Our life in its human and corporeal conditions. The inward man. Namely, our moral and spiritual being, that "new man which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him" (Colossians 3:10). Is renewed; literally, is being renewed; i.e. by faith and hope. Day by day. The Greek phrase is not classical, but is a reminiscence of the Hebrew.

OK.

The Bible’s answer


God dignifies us with free will, the power to make decisions of our own rather than having God or fate predetermine what we do. Consider what the Bible teaches.

• God created humans in his image. (Genesis 1:26) Unlike animals, which act mainly on instinct, we resemble our Creator in our capacity to display such qualities as love and justice. And like our Creator, we have free will.


• To a great extent, we can determine our future. The Bible encourages us to “choose life . . . by listening to [God’s] voice,” that is, by choosing to obey his commands. (Deuteronomy 30:19, 20) This offer would be meaningless, even cruel, if we lacked free will. Instead of forcing us to do what he says, God warmly appeals to us: “O if only you would actually pay attention to my commandments! Then your peace would become just like a river.”—Isaiah 48:18.

• Our success or failure is not determined by fate. If we want to succeed at an endeavor, we must work hard. “All that your hand finds to do,” says the Bible, “do with your very power.”(Ecclesiastes 9:10) It also says: “The plans of the diligent one surely make for advantage.”—Proverbs 21:5.

Free will is a precious gift from God, for it lets us love him with our “whole heart”—because we want to.—Matthew 22:37.

Doesn’t God control all things?

The Bible does teach that God is Almighty, that his power is not limited by anyone other than himself. (Job 37:23; Isaiah 40:26) However, he does not use his power to control everything. For example, the Bible says that God was “exercising self-control” toward ancient Babylon, an enemy of his people. (Isaiah 42:14) Similarly, for now, he chooses to tolerate those who misuse their free will to harm others. But God will not do so indefinitely.—Psalm 37:10, 11.

Source : www.jw.org
Link : https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/free-will-in-the-bible/

ggirl4real:
Oga, I'm not interested in studying the Bible.

I'm not ready for that stress.

Alright.

ggirl4real:
The problem will be in the aspect of studying the Bible. I don't have that patience.

However, I'm living a morally upright life.

I just hope that will be enough.

I don't have patience for religious indoctrination.

Hmm ok but may I suggest that you consider taking it one at a time. I mean like progressive learning.

That you're already living a morally upright life is a plus on its own but that's not all.
The Bible said that having the accurate knowledge about God and his Son, Jesus is what leads to everlasting life. (John 17:3)

You don't actually have to study and know the entire Bible before you can conform your lifestyle to Bible standards that befits one who's seeking everlasting life on a peaceful earth.

ggirl4real:
I'll like to be part of that enjoyment without suffering.
If God deems me fit to qualify for that, I will join.

Well that's exactly what God's will entails in essence. He wants all sorts of men and women to have an accurate knowledge of the truth about him and his purposes.(Please read 1Timothy 2:4 & 2Peter 3:9)
He's calling on everyone who's willing to be part of a new world government which will end all the troubles that plagues mankind today. (Revelation 22:17)

ggirl4real:
So what is the way forward? Is there any hope?
That's my major concern.

The Bible gives reassuring hope, my dear.
Normally, humans were not meant to die at all.
We were meant to be like trees—in the sense that when we grow to a certain age, we'll never deteriorate, wear out and die.(Isaiah 65:22)
This book—the Bible(considered to be God's inspired word) says that a time will come when death, pain, sickness, injustice, bad governments and all other problems that are troubling mankind would be a thing of the past! (Daniel 2:44, Revelation 21:1-4)

But the question that should be in the mind of any honest-hearted person now is:

“WHAT CAN I DO TO BE THERE?”

KNOWMORE56:
What are your understanding of the following?:

*. Romans 7:22 "KJV:For I delight in the law of God after the INWARD MAN:

*. 2 Corinthians 4:16 "KJV:For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the INWARD MAN is renewed day by day."

*. Ephesians 3:16 "KJV:That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the INNER MAN;"

give Biblical meaning to
INWARD MAN or INNER MAN?

Let's use 2Corinthians 4:16 to understand what Paul meant.

“Therefore, we do not give up, but even if the 1. man we are outside is wasting away, certainly 2. the man we are inside is being renewed from day to day. ”

1. Denotes the fleshly body with all its
fleshly desires and weaknesses—sickness, old-age, death.

2. Denotes the new spiritual personality the Christians put on. It is this “man on the inside” that Jehovah God renews/refreshes “day to day” with his holy spirit and his Word, the Bible.
So that even if true Christians(JW's) might be physically tired—maybe after a long day preaching about God's Kingdom, who they are inward—will never get tired—rather will continue to get renewed through God's word, the Bible.


That said, the ‘fleshly body’ is in constant opposition to the ‘spiritual’ person we are inside—making it difficult to put away the “old personality” in order for Christians to put on the “new personality”(Ephesians 4:24, Colossians 3:9-10)

KNOWMORE56:
Other verses that show Soul is not = flesh (physical, earthly body)

*. Matthew 10:28 "KJV:And fear not them which kill THE BODY, but are not able to kill THE SOUL: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

*. Matthew 26:38 "
KJV:Then saith he unto them, MY SOUL IS EXCEEDING SORROWFUL, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me."

*. Luke 1:46 "46
KJV:And Mary said, MY SOUL DOTH MAGNIFY the Lord"

*. John 12:27 "KJV:Now is MY SOUL TROUBLED; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour."

*. 1 Thessalonians 5:23 "KJV:And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole[b] SPIRIT and SOUL and BODY be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ"

*. Hebrews 4:12 "KJV:For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of
SOUL and SPIRIT,and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

*. 2 Peter 1:14 "KJV:Knowing that shortly I MUST PUT OF THIS MY TABERNACLE, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me.

*. Philippians1:23 "KJV:For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire TO DEPART, and to be with Christ; which is far better:

24
KJV:Nevertheless TO ABIDE IN THE FLESH is more needful for you. "

Note:
Paul still makes use of the word " TO DEPART"

in agreement with genesis 35:18

"KJV:And it came to pass, as her soul was in DEPARTING, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin."

What's the essence of quoting a thousand and one scriptures if you cannot bring out any valid point?

Emusan:
Quick escape I understand!



Here is my reply to your post again:

Did you ask yourself the same question when quoting Ezekiel
The verse says "the father won't beat the sin of the son neither the son bear the sin of the father" yet Jesus bears the sin of the WHOLE WORLD.

Since you've already accused someone of using his own thinking, you can't use that line of argument again.

You can also let us know if Ezekiel excluded God's plan of salvation through Jesus by bearing the sin of the whole world or rather how Jesus who never known sin died for the whole world which negates that verse or the verse is entirely saying something else.



By who?



When you know you can't answer my questions, you resort to straw man.

Oga if you cannot answer my simple question then don't quote me.

KNOWMORE56:
*. Genesis 35:18 "KJV:And it came to pass, as HER SOUL WAS IN DEPARTING, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin.

Note:
this is the Biblical definition of death
"HER SOUL WAS IN DEPARTING, (for she died)"

The soul departed,the bodyis then regarded as dead.


This departed soul is regarded as dead when Life, Love, God separates it/him from Himself.

Such soul have to spend eternity with the devil whom he served. IT IS CALLED THE 2nd death.

Mr KNOWMORE56, Please when making claims, do well to attach Scriptures to back them up.
There's nothing you said up there that corroborates with any Scripture in the Bible.

And I thought we've been over the definition of ‘soul’? Why are you still getting it all mixed up?

Consider the following translations of Genesis 35:18

New Living Translation:

‘Rachel was about to die, but with her last breath she named the baby Ben-oni (which means “son of my sorrow”). The baby’s father, however, called him Benjamin (which means “son of my right hand”).’

New International Version:

‘As she breathed her last--for she was dying--she named her son Ben-Oni. But his father named him Benjamin.’

Holman Christian Standard Bible:

‘With her last breath--for she was dying--she named him Ben-oni, but his father called him Benjamin.’

New American Standard Bible:

‘It came about as her soul was departing (for she died), that she named him Ben-oni; but his father called him Benjamin.’

Bible in Basic English:

‘And in the hour when her life went from her (for death came to her), she gave the child the name Ben-oni: but his father gave him the name of Benjamin.’

We've already drawn conclusions on what ‘breath/lifeforce’ and ‘soul’ are. Thus, from the Bible translations considered, we see that Genesis 35:18 explains that when Rachel “breathed her last” , “life went out from her” and she ceased to become a “living soul” with thoughts/feelings/traits.

Emusan:
Did you ask yourself the same question when quoting Ezekiel
The verse says "the father won't beat the sin of the son neither the son bear the sin of the father" yet Jesus bears the sin of the WHOLE WORLD.
Since you've already accused someone of using his own thinking, you can't use that line of argument again.
You can also let us know if Ezekiel excluded God's plan of salvation through Jesus by bearing the sin of the whole world or rather how Jesus who never known sin died for the whole world which negates that verse or the verse is entirely saying something else

Doesn't answer my question.

DappaD:
“Who was Paul addressing in his concluding remarks/prayers?”

Was it>>>>

a. An individual Christian.

OR

b. The entire congregation of brothers in Thessalonica.

If you knew you couldn't stand up to defend what you said—then you shouldn't have bothered quoting me in the first place trying to prove a point where there's none. You saw that your claim was disproved—so you thought it necessary to digress—bringing up information that has nothing to do the topic of discussion.

Emusan:
Yes every wicked and good person returned to God at death but God is the one who places them to their final destination.

Just as you hold the doctrine of Jehovah only keeps the MEMORIES of the good people and chooses not to keep the wicked ones.



Yet Apostle Paul can say "And the God of peace Himself sanctify you wholly, and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.” 1 Thess 5:23

If two impersonal things make up man, why do such prayer from Apostle Paul?



Please where do anyone ever says it was ANGEL that is trapped in human body?

So are you saying SPIRIT IN MAN is earthly product?



Just as you fit your own thinking into many scriptures like the 1 Thessalonians 5:23 above.



Who denied this?



Many just that you decided to give them your own thinking!

Before you hop onto my post and assume you've won some sort of trophy—first ask yourself this question:

“Who was Paul addressing in his concluding remarks/prayers?”

Was it>>>>

a. An individual Christian.

OR

b. The entire congregation of brothers in Thessalonica.

Please read 1Thessalonians 5:23 again and answer accordingly.

Let's know whether the apostle Paul was talking about the makeup of humans or if he was talking about something else.

KNOWMORE56:
Soul is the 'frame' that carries the spirit of/in man.

I do not see the word SOUL in Ecclesiastes 3:19-20

*. Ecclesiastes 3:19 "
KJV:For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

20
KJV:All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

21
KJV:Who knoweth THE SPIRIT OF MAN that GOETH UPWARD, and THE SPIRIT OF THE BEAST that GOETH DOWNWARD to the earth?

Note:
The speaker is just comparing and contrasting man and animals:


THE SPIRIT OF MAN...GOETH UPWARD,

and

THE SPIRIT OF THE BEAST GOETH DOWNWARD...

Certainly, but does this ‘spirit’ contain the thoughts/feelings/personality/traits about the human being? If you say that the spirit at Ecclesiastes 3:21 is talking about one with thoughts/feelings—that means all humans including wicked people are going to heaven to reside with God?
When David said “man is nothing but a mere breath.”(Psalm 39:5) and when Job said “all mankind will return to dust.”(Job 34:15)—what do you think they meant?
First, what is the make up of a human being with a personality/feelings?
Genesis 2:7 answers for us:

“And Jehovah God went on to form the man out of dust from the ground [man] and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life[impersonal spirit/lifeforce], and the man became a living person[living soul with feelings/thoughts]”

So as the scriptures indicate—it's only when this impersonal thing(BREATH OF LIFE) enters into the man(made from dust) by God's magnificent wisdom, that a living person, a human being with thoughts and feelings can come about.

If there was actually a spirit/angel trapped in every human being then the apostle Paul wouldn't have said that
“...there are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies; but the glory of the heavenly bodies is one sort, and that of the earthly bodies is a different sort.”—1Corinthians 15:40

KNOWMORE56:
Once you have understood that [/b]The SOUL that sin will die![b]

[s]Does not cancel [/b]the soul is immortal[b],[/s]

Let me know so that we can go to hell/hellfire/lake of fire.


Death means separation from...

1. Physical death = separation from loved ones;

separation from the earth;

separation of the body from the soul.

2. Spiritual death = separation of the soul from Jesus (i.e Jesus=life, John 14:6);

separation of the soul from Love (i.e God 1john 4:

So the soul sinneth shall be separated from Life/LOVE/God.

Alright?

Mr KNOWMORE56,
Why are you trying so hard to fit your own thinking into Ezekiel 18:4?

Jehovah God himself said there that:

“The soul(person with thoughts/feelings) who sins is the one who will die”

The Bible further highlights that human beings(descendants of Adam) are ALL sinners and as such they are ALL prone to Adamic death.(Romans 3:23, 5:12, 6:23)
There are no scriptures(and I mean not even one) in the Bible that support the doctrine of an immortal soul.

Maximus69:
The only chasm between the worshipers of the true God and all other peoples has been verified in the guy's case!
He doesn't want to be submissive to any form of standard, he just want everyone to agree that the worship of God shouldn't be a matter of debate, to him once you agree that you're for Jesus there is no need for any scrutiny, yet he cited the case of Elijah who kept condemning the worship of his contemporaries, whereas 450 prophets representing different sects all agreed on interfaith against Elijah the die-hard monotheist!

There is no need for further discussion with him, he has a dream and he is emotional about it even though it doesn't correspond with Bible's prophecies neither logical but he wants to embark on it anyway.

So his case settled, let him continue on his mission i wanted to tell him that that's exactly what Charles Taze Russell dreamt of until he was made to know that each religious title chief will fight to keep his position, unless you have to form your own and start calling those who have the same feelings like Christslamherb [Òkè Ìtúdè] ~ Shamsondeen Saka

Where he messed himself up was where he played the judge by saying no religious group fulfills Jesus' words at John 14:12—then I asked him to show evidence of “works” he has been doing after he claims Christ “bought” him and he's been fumbling ever since trying to provide an answer.

Jesus once said:
“He[Jehovah God] takes away every branch in me not bearing fruit, and he cleans every one bearing fruit, so that it may bear more fruit”—John 15:2

So if Blabbermouth is claiming that Christ “bought” him, he should no doubt be bearing fruit and show evidence for such. But as it turns out, the story is different in his case.

He thinks it's just to be siding with atheists in their ridiculous school of thought and criticizing those who choose to submit to Bible standards—when he himself is nothing to write home about.

Blabbermouth:
My worship is my Master's worship - Spirit and truth.

Na only for mouth your own dey always end. Why am I not surprised.

Story story.... They worship in unison, period!

I know nah
They are united even when political, class, racial and tribal disputes present itself.
The people living around them can feel the love, peace and joy radiated from the Muslims when their neighbors refuse to subscribe to Islam.
The same unity na im make the Muslims for Iran and Iraq wan slaughter themselves finish during the 80's.
But what do I know? They're united!

Relax bro... You want to see the blueprint of this kind of Christianity I speak of? Relax bro, you will. What he asked me to do is the will of God, and by his Grace I do (I speak as a spirit)

Leave relax, grace and spirit out of this
If you cannot point to one single thing you've done—which Jesus asked his followers to do in the Bible then you are a FRAUD, Mr Blabbermouth. Periodt.

I will never be ready for your personalized interpretations.

No wahala.

Blabbermouth: Trinity is nonsense and has no foundation in the scriptures.
The same Blabbermouth: *attends several churches every Sunday where their primary doctrine is the trinity*

At least I and those reading this know that I'm not the one who's confused.

Blabbermouth:
This thing has really eaten up today's Christianity. You are telling me to "form"? To form a body of Christ? To form a group? Form a new sect? Create more confusion? God forbid!

Noise and balderdash. You've not still presented your own form of worship let's see whether it can stand when put under several tests.

Even Muslims worship in Unison. Don't confuse yourself bro.

I know right? They're so united to the point that it can be clearly seen in their midst when political and racial upheavals/matters present itself?
Abeg abeg spare me the long story

What did he ask me to do?

Why are you asking me again?
I thought it's you that said Christ “bought” you. So you should be in the better position to answer that question.

Na today? Even Redeemers claim it's for them. You will only give me the version your board gave you.

Blabbermouth, when you are ready to know the import of Jesus' words at John 14:12, just ask and you'll get a response that the Bible agrees with.

Blabbermouth:
My confusion? It is well. Problems arose when men started owning Churches (yea, even kingdom hall)// No wonder why we all started shadowboxing and clutching on to straws yesterday.

How many of the so-called Christians who claim “Christ bought them”—have you been able to convince with your words so you guys form a “body of Christ”?
Or are you people just confused that you can't agree on one particular form of worship?

Luke 6:46
Blabbermouth, please “why, then, do you call [Jesus]‘Lord! Lord!’ but do not do the things [Jesus] says?”
Let's know who's truly doing what Christ asked them to do.
So please enough of this “Christ bought me” hullabaloo, among all Jesus Christ asked his followers to do, point to one single thing you have done and stop being sentimental.



Also Blabbermouth, if you want to know the import of what Jesus meant at John 14:12 about those who will do greater works than he did and how it relates only to Jehovah's Witnesses, do ask and I'll respond.

Blabbermouth:
It will be of good importance if you go study them yourself - you know, It gives your understanding depth and width.

LMAO... Nigga, I go to churches when I'm inspired to, I fellowship with people and desire the sincere milk of the word together. Unfortunately, I will never pledge allegiance to any group, Christ Bought me directly, he didn't pay through your board or directors or the numerous Daddy G.O's.

Have you prayed alone?
Have you studied the word alone?
Have you fasted alone?
Then you are a part-time One-man-mopol.
The only difference is, you also belong to the witness organization.

Don't be ridiculous to bring me into your confusion, Blabbermouth.

Blabbermouth:
Denominations have no bearing in the scriptures my friend.

How were the Christians in the first century grouped? Congregations?
That's why we're always telling you that if you closely examine Jehovah's Witnesses you'll see exactly the same pattern followed by Jesus and the early apostles. But no, your idea of ‘I don't want to belong to any group’ is what's blurring your decisions.

Perhaps you've not met your fellow “OneManMopol” Christians who argue and argue because they cannot come to one agreement about which pattern of worship to follow—unfortunately, you are no different from them since you refuse to take the Bible as the highest authority (Romans 15:4, 2Timothy 3:16)

Blabbermouth:
No problem in sight. The one-man-mopol approach encourages my pursuit for intimacy.

We are returning to the structure made without hands, Christ's own blueprint.

Those guys were an assembly of the called out ones, they pledge their allegiance to Christ directly, not through a denomination. Don't force it please.

There is no special, apple-of-Jehovah's-eye denomination, they will all be dissolved and your JW won't be spared.

Your fallible and personal opinions have no bearing on the scriptures my friend

IMAliyu:
A good master would answer the humble request of his devoted servants wouldn't he? especially if it comes with no inconvenience and would undoubtedly help him.
Because with my proposed experiment, it would undoubtedly prove the power and existence of God to doubters would it not?

In essence, the person who set up this thread is looking for a supernatural manifestation from the God who created the Universe ba?
Well at least I know what this thread is really about now.

Ken4Christ:
Don't digress. I have proven to you that hell fire is real. And it is not the physical grave. The terms use in connection to it doesn't fit a physical grave.

The Bible talks about sorrows of hell.
It also talks about pains of Hell.
It also talks about the gates of hell.
Our Lord Jesus said he has the keys of hell.
Jesus also talks about damnation of hell -Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

The Bible always talks about souls being cast or thrown into hell. Do you throw people into graves? Dead bodies are gently lowered into graves but lost souls are cast into hell.

Besides, it is humans that bury people in graves but there is nowhere that humans throw people into hell in the Bible.

I could go on and on.

Ken4Christ, you quoted Psalm 18:5 to prove this your “hellfire” is an actual place where sorrow abounds abi? So are you saying the person who wrote that psalm—righteous man David, was grieving over languishing forever in a place of fiery torment? For what offense exactly?
A “man agreeable to God's heart”(1Samuel 13:14, Acts 13:22) and forefather of Jesus Christ oo complaining about one “hellfire”?
Abeg rest before you hurt yourself mentally.

Ken4Christ:
You are invariably insulting Jesus because he mentioned it several times. He even rebuked those who refuse to repent and told them they will not escape the damnation of hell. If you don't repent, you will not escape it. Please, give your life to Christ and save yourself from the torment of Hell.

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DappaD:
Carry this your useless hellfire doctrine comot from my front

...and never return.

I leave for two hours to attend to some real life duties and then I come back to see Blabbermouth and his cohorts rejoicing in their folly as it seems.
Really pathetic.

Maximus69:
He should have made himself clear that he is now an atheist nah?

All his tactics of hide and seek is child's play for Maximus. I've dealt with their grandfathers in ATHEISM and they always fear me after sitting to discuss with me.
One thing i don't do is once i notice that someone just like chatting with me without purpose i'll stop visiting the person. I have few of them in my area. There is one who often say "had it been i met you earlier i would have considered becoming a JW but i've vowed never to return to Religion"

Seriously though, I don't support this “sitting on the fence” scheme when it comes to important issues such as these.
Everyone should be able to state their stand and allow the other person express himself fully without these bias limits in place.
I shouldn't use the Bible to substantiate my claims but Blabbermouth can comfortably cherrypick the account of Elijah and use it as a defense of some sort. That's not done anywhere.

Blabbermouth:
Shut it! I reasoned with Maximus69. The only issue is - The other guys should be the ones reasoning while I watch.

So you finally quote me after so long. Your atheist buddies give you stomach yet?

Mr Blabbermouth, like Maximus69 said—that which you don't see reason in, all these arguments about a real “God” are fruitless if there are no real implementations that can enable us tackle the burning issues in the world today which yields useful benefits/results.

Maximus69:
Well that's to tell you they're all worshipers of dead gods!

You yourself cited the instance of Elijah and the 450 prophets of Baal, at least those false prophets were present that faithful day, though they all lost their lives in the hands of angry Israelites who felt they've been robbed all along.

But this case is different, none of all those you invited came, they all went into hiding and by the end of the day you're now questioning me even when all other contenders failed to show up.

So there's no need bothering yourself my guy, GOD won't come down to tell you face to face that Jehovah's Witnesses are his only worshipers this is your opportunity to know the truth and you've known it today!

Where are all your Pentecostal friends?
Where are all those Trinitarians?
Where are all those who often claim they belong to no church?

You may choose ATHEISM but know that if you want to worship the one and only TRUE God, you must join Jehovah's Witnesses!

Can't you see what the Blabbermouth guy and the other atheists are doing?
He and his cohorts aren't looking for any way you can reason with them—they're just like wolves ready to devour you for any statement you make.

If something this critical is to be discussed, then a fair ground—all resources should be used therein to show the reality of a God in the midst of its worshipers.
And not these immature challenges where the OP can set rules as he likes—yet breaks them in the process.

kingxsamz:
Maybe the word "Real" now has another meaning.

Okay yeah—mixed up “real” and “true” for a second there.
If we're considering which “God” is real—then we'll examine those who claim to worship such a “God”.

kingxsamz:
I really don't know what you're avoiding.
Prove its/his/she's existence first before we can talk about any other thing.
That's what this thread was created for.

I thought the aim of the thread was so that the aforementioned people could prove that their own God is the true God out of the “4000 gods” as the OP put it.

kingxsamz:
Very good.
Now that's what this thread is all about.
Prove the existence of this your "one true god" in the bible , that way, we can know if it's the real one among other fakes.
You get?

If we're going by the “God” the Bible describes as being the Creator of the earth and man—do you believe he is capable of giving real truths/counsel that can be applied in the lives of humans for the benefit of them?
Note that I said “truths”, not alternatives.

kingxsamz:
I dey ask you, you dey ask me.
Since you're aware of the true god who promised all these things, why don't you tell me?

Mr kingxsamz, we can get the information about such a “God” from the most widely distributed and translated book—the Bible.
Definitely if we believe such a “God” exists, we'll expect his words communicated to humans to be of no lesser quality.

kingxsamz:
So going by your statement, who or what is this "one god"?

If we want to know that one “God” that promises that real world problems such as suffering, death, sickness, old-age, crime, injustice, wars will come to an end one day on earth—where you suggest we get the information about that “God” from?

kingxsamz:
Thanks. I understand what you're saying, I'm not dumb.
Sadly this thread wasn't created for that purpose.
So if you think people proving their god's existence is futile, then do that in another thread. Not this one.

Okay. Lol. You get me. Better.
I meant it's futile—in that if we can't gain real benefits/knowledge out of it, then it's not worth proving.

MJBOLT:

there's no atom of intelligence in you,comparing govt to gods proves that.even if the govt are gods,we can see them,know where they work and live and have pictures and videos of them,just show us one evidence of your god and you are spewing trash here,better leave and save yourself from further embarrassment.

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DappaD:
Why not allow intelligent human beings take the floor to ask the questions?

Moving on!