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kingxsamz:
Eyah.
The thread says "can you prove that your god is the real god"? Not" can you prove that your government can provide stable electricity and water supply.
And no, the OP didn't create the thread to discuss the usefulness of a god.
Seems like you're lost.

Let's go around in circles shall we?

Proving God's existence is futile if there are no real benefits/knowledge we can gain

Once again, if peace, security, justice can't be achieved in the midst of the adherents, of what use is such a god?

Thought provoking statements and questions dey touch your bone marrow. You can only deny.

kingxsamz:
Okay, if the world wasn't so diverse and everyone believed in one god, the world would be peacefull right?

If the whole world subscribed wholeheartedly to the one “God” who created the earth, the answer to that is yes.

kingxsamz:
Oh my!
No wonder the world is so peaceful and Nigeria is progressing.
Thanks Jehovah witness.

Leave mockery out of this let's hit the hammer on the issue.
In a world with diverse beliefs and different gods you think such can be achieved?
Think, please, Mr kingxsamz!

kingxsamz:
That's non of my business lol.
You can start that argument with those you think are worshiping the government.

So you put your trust/hope in evolution/nationalism to have the answers to the questions you ask?
Mr kingxsamz, if we all can't be open on these things, then you can't stay where you are questioning me as if human beings are not all affected by the same conditions.

kingxsamz:
Lol, I never denied being an atheist. And I also never claimed to be one.
So where did you get that information from?
Once again, I don't see any government as gods/god. If you pledge loyalty to your government, that's your business.
If you feel there's no need proving the existence of a god, then why are you here? This thread obviously isn't for you.

Kingxsamz, this your shady attitude will impress only someone who doesn't use his brain to think.
There is no human being that doesn't subscribe to one form of authority or its likes. So I'll say you're lying to yourself.

Once again, if peace, security, justice can't be achieved in the midst of the adherents, of what use is such a god?

kingxsamz:
At least, those people can prove that their country and government exists. Lmao.

Yes yes we're getting there. Whether we see it or not it doesn't matter.
What matters is what such governments people see as gods are able to achieve.
During the past 100years, despite advancement in science and technology, has man been able to get rid of sickness, suffering, injustice and death?

MJBOLT:
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prove the existence of your god and spare us your bullshit stories.

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Why not allow intelligent human beings take the floor to ask the questions?

kingxsamz:
Nawa.
There's no need arguing with you.
First of all, I don't see any government as gods/god. So maybe that'll shut you up.
Secondly, this thread is about proving that your god is real. If you're unable to do that, it's dumb to start throwing baseless questions which is very unrelated to the main topic.
Keep clowning.

Your thick skull will prevent you from understanding what I'm saying
I said there's no need proving the existence of any god if such a god cannot workout benefits for its adherents.

On another thread, you denied being an atheist so I'm not shocked when you'll say you don't pledge fealty to your governments.
You always have this thing for denying your identity, yes?

MJBOLT:

these clowns are something else,i wonder how evolution got in here,one is even mentioning the government,i never knew the government were gods.

Quote me with your heart and mind if you want me to make you feel ashamed.
Churchgoers pledge loyalty to their trinity god.
Muslims pledge loyalty to their own god—Allah
Hindus pledge loyalty to their own gods—Brahma, Vishnu.
So when people pledge allegiance and are even ready to die for their countries in the process—what do you call the thing they're ready to die for?
Mr MJBOLT, such act of patriotism is the same feeling of pride those in religions have.
So please don't hide behind your phone and come directly at me if you have the mind.

kingxsamz:

Nawa...
That's why I said you should wait till 9.
This thread is about proving your god's existence.
If you say there are unseen laws which makes people want to serve a higher power, then prove yours which makes you serve your god. Simple as that. From there, we can begin to differentiate the real from the fake.

Proving God's existence is futile if there are no real benefits/knowledge we can gain/draw.

Once again, can you prove that the governments which you see as your gods are the real and true government that will achieve peace, security and justice for all of earth's populations?
After all, your god(governments) have their own books that guide them—the Constitution.
While other religions have their own books that guide them—Bible and Quran.

It shouldn't be so hard proving that your god(governments) will attain success in all that they've been claiming to do since thousands of years?
United Nations came into existence in 1945 and they've always claimed that peace and security has been achieved in the world—when news reports since then have proved otherwise.

kingxsamz:
Exactly.
That is why the OP has opened this thread for you to prove that your god is the one who's responsible for the laws governing the universe.
He didn't say your god isn't real. He's saying you should prove its existence.

You should hear yourself. Lol.
You dare put me on trial when this should go both ways.
Just like humans all need to feed to remain alive—which is a general law that nobody can contend. There are also unseen laws implanted in hearts of men that makes them yearn to worship a power higher than them. It's normal.

Atheists/agnostics all claim no fealty to higher/supernatural gods of any sort—but we can't say they're free from this challenge.
Certainly atheists/agnostics uphold nationalism—the most of them do actually.
Pledging complete loyalty and allegiance to a cause—such as a country is seen as being a religion whether you agree with it or not.

If something is counterfeit and is a fraud, then no doubt such a thing CANNOT function properly at all. So can you prove that the world governments which you see as your gods and pledge allegiance to, is the true government that will bring peace, security and justice to the earth? Or should we all agree that all governments are fake and will never achieve anything useful?

Maximus69:
Àìleèjà ló ñ wípé "agbo ilé e bàbá mi ò dé bí"

Only a coward will say "my father's compound is far from here"

I've dropped the post to test all THEORIES whether religionsists o, agnostics o, atheists o or anybody at that.
Let them come forward and refute the logic perhaps they'll tell us why they've been arguing all these while on Nairaland, maybe it's just to abuse, insult and curse one another or to make people reason together in other to cohabit peacefully.

If a certain god can't bring its adherents to one line of thought on how to pursue peace on the earth (that's obviously lacking it)
Then of what use is such a god?

I believe what's blinding atheists is the religious hypocrisy they see in Christendom, Islam and a variety of other religions—they all supposedly claim to worship one sort of god or the other but the question is why such gods haven't been able to achieve anything meaningful in socalled religions.

Blabbermouth:
Has anyone seen a fake #10,000 note before? No!
Has anyone seen a fake $100,000 dollar note before? No!
Has anyone seen a fake #5,000 note before? No!
Why? Because the original does not exist.
The fact that you see fake gods and fake religions all around is a proof (or at least, a "possibility" that the original exists somewhere.
It is not a wonder also that amidst the numerous creatures we have in the universe, there is only one that (by nature) instinctively worships a deity he believes to be higher than it - That's a human.
Evidently, this behavior is not confined to a specific geography and we all know that before the different races started interacting, even before the advent of Abrahamic religion, Man has been worshipping a being/ deity he believes to be higher than him.
This above then encourage us to " assume", yea, Let us for a while assume that there is God, A real and Existing God. Unfortunately, we have about 4000+ gods in the world, which one is real? It's very important to know the real God because, If you follow the wrong one, you are liable to about 300+ hells.
So, can anyone proffer a simple test by which we can know who the real God is, amidst the 4000+ gods?

1. Do not use any religious books
2. Your test should be effective and at the same time, reasonable.
We have enough atheists and agnostics on board to scrutinize your tests, so take your time.
Who is Eligible? Atheists, Agnostics, Christians, Muslims, traditionalist, Jews and anyone that believes in God/gods/Goddesses
Challenge Time: 9pm tonight.
WARNING: Don't rush, you might slip on a banana peel and end up using your own test to discredit your God.

I don't understand these your T&C's one bit.
How can then prove ultimately if he can't compare findings to the source he got the information from in the first place?

Blabbermouth:
Has anyone seen a fake #10,000 note before? No!
Has anyone seen a fake $100,000 dollar note before? No!
Has anyone seen a fake #5,000 note before? No!
Why? Because the original does not exist.
The fact that you see fake gods and fake religions all around is a proof (or at least, a "possibility" that the original exists somewhere.
It is not a wonder also that amidst the numerous creatures we have in the universe, there is only one that (by nature) instinctively worships a deity he believes to be higher than it - That's a human.
Evidently, this behavior is not confined to a specific geography and we all know that before the different races started interacting, even before the advent of Abrahamic religion, Man has been worshipping a being/ deity he believes to be higher than him.
This above then encourage us to " assume", yea, Let us for a while assume that there is God, A real and Existing God. Unfortunately, we have about 4000+ gods in the world, which one is real? It's very important to know the real God because, If you follow the wrong one, you are liable to about 300+ hells.
So, can anyone proffer a simple test by which we can know who the real God is, amidst the 4000+ gods?

1. Do not use any religious books
2. Your test should be effective and at the same time, reasonable.
We have enough atheists and agnostics on board to scrutinize your tests, so take your time.
Who is Eligible? Atheists, Agnostics, Christians, Muslims, traditionalist, Jews and anyone that believes in God/gods/Goddesses
Challenge Time: 9pm tonight.
WARNING: Don't rush, you might slip on a banana peel and end up using your own test to discredit your God.

Hmmm.
Can any human being today deny that there are physical laws governing the universe—such as gravity?
And we're to expect those kind of laws came to be by mere wishful thinking and chance?

Ken4Christ:
It was used figuratively to denote the true hell fire. There are a few other verses that Jesus neither used Gehenna or Hades. He simply described it as furnace of fire in some verses while in others, he calls it everlasting fire. And this is confirmed in the book of Revelation. You had better believe and plan not to go there. Unfortunately, a larger percentage of the world population will go to hell. But you can opt out if you accept Jesus as your Lord and personal Saviour. Stop being proud and stubborn. You know I am saying the truth. But deep within, you are deliberately ignoring the voice of the Holy Spirit.

Carry this your useless hellfire doctrine comot from my front

Maximus69:
So you thought i don't have the holy ghost shey?

Ken4Christ follow get nau
But im own explanation go differ

Maximus69:
That one is simple nah!

David's soul was among those Jesus went to preach to in Hellfire so Jesus has taken David to heaven now.
Won't you clap for me?

Maximus69:
He doesn't know that credulity can be so deluding especially when built around emotionals!

The Jewish highpriest who ripped his garment at Jesus' response surely believed Jesus was just blaspheming nah! Matthew 26:65

He quoted Psalm 18:5 and tried to use it to justify his “hellfire” doctrine.
He should come and explain how the righteous man David, the foremost forefather of Jesus Christ and “the man agreeable to Jehovah's heart” (1Samuel 13:14) will be lamenting that one useless “hellfire” wants to envelope him.
True true ehn, Satan has done a wonderful job blinding their eyes and minds. (2Corinthians 4:4)

Ken4Christ:
You are grossly dishonest. Gehenna was used figuratively. Jesus wasn't talking about the physical place called Gehenna because at that time, it was never used to burn humans but refuse.

If you are in doubt about any message, you make consultation with other Scriptures to establish the truth.

Our Lord Jesus gave a Parable of the wheat and tares and he interpreted the tares to be the children of the wicked one that will be burnt with fire. He didn't use Gehenna here. He also did not use hell here. Are you saying that Jesus didn't know what he was saying. Read the full passage below;

The Parable of the Wheat and Tares

Matthew 13:24-30
24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

The Interpretation

Matthew 13:37-43
37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; note

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

If after reading this passage, you still don't believe that there is a place of torment where the wicked go to according to the very words of our Lord Jesus, then you are a child of the devil and you will not escape the damnation of Hell.

Do you know it is wickedness to see the truth of God's word and deny it. God is warning people of the danger of Hell so they can correct their ways but you are telling people otherwise. That makes you an anti Christ. And your judgment will be worse because you are turning people away from the truth of God's word. Please repent before it is too late.

@highlighted,
So it's now you agree that Jesus was speaking figuratively? Why then will you say the “lake of fire” is a literal place?
Or are you the one who gets to decide which one is literal and which is figurative?

As you can see, you've been cornered to speak the truth.

Maximus69:
Well you're entitled to your PERSONAL opinion!

The guy so wants you to burn forever in his old, stale and mythical nonsense that doesn't exist!
Even their church fathers know the truth but they won't teach their followers

@Ken4Christ,
You see my questions dey dodge am?

Ken4Christ:
I want to take you on your submission that hell is common grave. Now answer this questions;

1. If hell is grave, why did the Bible says that it's a place of sorrow and pains?

2Sa 22:6 The sorrows of hell compassed me about; the snares of death prevented me;

Psa 18:5 The sorrows of hell compassed me about: the snares of death prevented me.

Psa 116:3 The sorrows of death compassed me, and the pains of hell gat hold upon me: I found trouble and sorrow.

2. If hell is grave, why would Jesus said that the gates of hell shall not prevail against the Church?
-Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Does the physical grave have gates.

3. If hell is grave, why did Jesus said he has the keys of hell and death?

Rev 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Does the physical grave have keys?

I am ready to learn but please answer these questions one by one. Tell me if you have seen people in sorrow inside the grave or in pain inside the grave. Tell me if the millions of graves have gates and keys that unlocks the gates.

Your zeal to learn is commendable. I'll give answers to ALL your questions in due time. But first you'll have to answer the questions I earlier posed to you—


1.

Please what is the difference between “body” and “soul”?
Are they mutually exclusive terms?
Answer with scriptures please.

2.

The same “hell” or “grave” is thrown into this lake of fire—Revelation 20:14.
Does it mean an abstract term such as “hell” can feel pain and will remain there suffering forever?

Explain in clear terms using only the Scriptures.

Perhaps the churchgoers in Salvation Ministries will have to rethink where they stand on certain matters.

Ken4Christ:
Adams body returned to the dust but we are not told where his soul went to.

Please what is the difference between “body” and “soul”?
Are they mutually exclusive terms?
Answer with scriptures please.

You can't use a few Scriptures to refute the fact that hell doesn't exist when there are scores of Scriptures to support it's existence.

Of course “hell” exists, but the Scriptures reveal it to be common grave of mankind where the dead remain inactive. Not a place of torment. —Ecclesiastes 9:10

Hell is not even the final destination for lost souls. Those in hell will eventually be released for final judgment and will be thrown into the Lake of fire which is worse than hell.

The same “hell” or “grave” is thrown into this lake of fire—Revelation 20:14.
Does it mean an abstract term such as “hell” can feel pain and will remain there suffering forever?

So, you had better give your life to Jesus and serve God faithfully before it is too late. God doesn't send people to hell. Your decision does.

E no go better for Satan wey blind all of una(2Corinthians 4:4)
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See your tone of speech
“So I had better...”
Authoritative much?
Your god will send people to suffer torment forever in fire—something that irritates and disgusts him?—Jeremiah 7:31
Good and clear to know that your god is different from the One the Bible talks about—Jehovah the God of love (1John 4:8.)

Dtruthspeaker:
First, I am not one who says hellfire, I always say Lake of Fire! The Bible Clearly differentiates the 2.

And finally we are Clearly told that hell and death is thrown into the Lake of Fire!

The basis of the Truth of this Fact is Clearly Spelt out in the Words Revelation 20:12-15
"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the dead were judged, death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works, And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

I am not the one who said these things!

Irrelevancies. Oh well.
You deliberately ignored the rest of my post, right?

Maximus69:
I just pity the poor guy, he feels like uniting those that angels have separated for destruction! Matthew 13:30

He himself has attested to the fact that someone somewhere claiming Christian who chooses not to associate with any group also has different rules/beliefs from he who also has the same mindset.
So let him go and work out issues with such a person before coming to tell those who believe in collectivism how to worship their God.

Blabbermouth:
Interfaith? No, there is nothing like "interfaith" in an ekklesia structure (Learn from the early Christians)... Have you forgotten that denominations are the reason for doctrinal difference? Do you have a different doctrine from Maximus69 who is a JW just like you? No! Why? You Belong to the same sect. In an Ekklesia, you all belong to Christ- how then can there be any difference in doctrine?

You guys are not an embodiment of the POWER OF GOD. Jesus said - He that believes in me, greater works than these shall he do***... I hate to be the carrier of a bad news but sorry, you guys are deficient in this department. If I stick with you guys, I won't capture this in my Christian experience.

My One-Man-Mopol approach to Christianity is only temporal... Perhaps if the revolution happens in my lifetime, it will be a great Joy to assemble under the unction of one Lord - Christ Jesus.

I'll focus my attention only on the highlighted words—seeing your other words were said out of contempt.

So you agree that this “One-Man-Mopol approach” isn't the solution right? So why have you been hammering on it?

About this “revolution” you speak of, is it only in your heart you're saying this or is it in accordance with the Scriptures?
Mr Blabbermouth, the next global phenomena that will take place will be the “great tribulation” (Daniel 12:1, Matthew 24:21) in which the political system(atheists and agnostics) will carry out the total DESTRUCTION of all false religion that are under the name of “Babylon the Great” (Revelation 17:15-17)
But the same Revelation said that there will be a number of people belonging to the same group that will survive the “great tribulation” since they all have one line of thought (1Corinthians 1:10) and have all resolved to wash their robes and make them white in the blood of the Lamb. (Revelation 7:9-17)
So the real question should be:
“WHICH GROUP OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SURVIVE THIS GREAT TRIBULATION?”—Instead of waiting for some “revolution” which has no bearing on the Scriptures.

Dtruthspeaker:
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I answered you and I told you that First Adam is gone, gone forever and never to be seen or heard from again.

But this is not so for the Man who comes after Adam, Lake of Fire shall be his dwelling place to Live Forever in Torment!

Let's focus our attention on the bolded/highlighted words.
@bolded
So in essence, Adam, being the perfect man that he was, sinned and brought death on all mankind(Romans 5:12)—then he passed off from existence and returned to dust just as God said he would(Genesis 3:19)

@highlighted
And what is the premise for this assumption? (Given that the lake of fire is different from your mythical “hellfire”)
Adam, the first man who brought death and suffering upon all humans, the worst criminal there can ever be—wasn't subject to this “eternal torment in hellfire” as you claim. Rather he returned to the “dust” of the earth and will remain nonexistent forever.

So why will Adam's descendants that didn't commit that horrendous atrocity of rebelling against God in perfection—suffer “eternal torment” that Adam didn't undergo?
The Bible will speak for itself though—even if you claim otherwise.

Job 10:9
“Remember, please, that you made me out of clay, But now you make me return to dust.”
When Job later died, where did he go to? Wasn't it the same “dust” Adam went too?—a state of total nonexistence?
The case is only different with Job since he is considered to be among the “righteous”—he'll be restored to perfect life on earth (Job 14:14, John 5:28-29, Acts 24:15)
While Adam has been considered unworthy of having perfect life and has since returned to nonexistence and will stay that way. (Proverbs 10:7)

Blabbermouth:
Perhaps you should do a deep study on the word "church" and it's origin. Did the Israelites in the wilderness have any denomination whatsoever? No! They were an assembly of the "Called-out ones". Jesus said to Peter -Upon this rock will I build my church Ekklesia and the gates of hell will not prevail...
What is an Ecclesia? It is an assembly of the called-out ones! Are there/should there be any denomination in an ekklesia? God forbid! One baptism, One spirit, One Goal, One Lord and one in all.

That was puffed up by your fleshy mind.

There is no chasm between light and light. Your years are young, I hope you will be alive to see this spiritual revolution. Again sir, your JW nor anyone's church won't be spared.

If I'm to understand your plight—you're saying the solution to the confusion prevalent in Christianity today is when all from different churches—Deeper Life, Apostolic, Anglican, Salvation Ministries, Christ Embassy etc—come together and practice interfaith? Even when it's clear they all have different doctrines and beliefs?

Shouldn't the solution rather be to seek out the religion that's doing exactly what Jesus Christ asked Christians to do?
I tell you, Mr Blabbermouth, that problems today CANNOT be solved through individualism but rather collectivism so if you have this mindset of “I don't want to associate with any group, I'll set rules for myself”—somebody not too far off—maybe your neighbour, has the same mindset as yours but will have his own set of rules and beliefs different from yours. So can you see that the problem is neither addressed nor solved? That is, if one decides that all Christian groups are fake and refuses to seek out the true religion.

Dtruthspeaker:
To put it simply without departing from this thread, First Adam and the Laws in Genesis 1 follows the world at Noah's Time.

Thus, First Adam died Completely and Absolutely exactly as God said he must.

So First Adam got nothing like Life not to even talk of Life buku-buku or Eternal Life or Everlasting Life or Unending Life BASED ON THE LAW IN FORCE AT THAT TIME.

THIS LAW ALSO AFFECTED THE PEOPLE IN NOAH'S TIME And it was ONLY NOAH and his family that escaped it.

The Rains and Flood Completely Washed, Consecrated and Baptised the World, Noah and his family (BAPTISM BY WATER).

Thus, all who came up from the flood was Anew and Fresh and the World too was Fresh Again.

Genesis 9, Shows NEW LAWS WAS ISSUED to the Fresh World (which we are still part of today).

And look closely at those Laws, they Amend and Changed the Laws in Genesis 1.

And it is in consonance to this change of Laws that Eternal Life and Living in Introduced.

You presented irrelevant information that had nothing to do with my question.
Are you saying that God changed his mind as regards to where humans go when they die?
And you've not been able to answer me straightforward—where is Adam now?
Simple!

Ken4Christ:
Scripture evidences of the existence of literal hell.

1. The Bible mentioned it several times. Below are some of the Scriptures.

2 Samuel 22:6 The sorrows of hell compassed me about; the snares of death prevented me.

If hell is not real, it won't be a sorrowful place.

2.Psa 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget.

The Bible says it's a place where only the wicked and those who forget God goes to.

3.Psa 139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

The psalmist says hell is big enough to make a bed there. But he sure can't make a bed there because of the torment.

4. In the Parable of the wheat and tares, Jesus revealed what will happen to the wicked.

Matthew 13:24-30.
24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Hear the interpretation

Matthew 13:37-43.
37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; note

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Jesus said that the tares are the children of the wicked one. He said they will be thrown into a furnace of fire. He even added that they will weep and gnashed their teeth. He didn't use the word hell here. He called it furnace of fire. If you don't still believe this, there is no redemption for you. I have many more evidences from the Scripture but let me stop here.

Story upon story.
Simple question I asked you.

Can you tell me where Adam presently is right now?

Where did God say he will go? Is he in this mythical “hellfire” or somewhere else?

Ken4Christ:
Are you saying you don't believe in the existence of literal hell where souls are tormented?

I'm saying provide scriptural evidence of such a “literal hellfire” and not hearsay and myths propounded by charlatans intended to scare/coerce people to submit to them.


My question is still waiting for you.

Can you tell me where Adam presently is right now?

Where did God say he will go and where is he now? Scriptures only please!