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bloodofthelamb:
Which of your question did I ignore? Kindly call me back to it. First let me ask you this same question that you are asking me. Can you vouch for all your co members that they believe in what you believe?

I see no meaning in your question.

I think Maximus69 answered your question fairly.
Do you think it's just ordinary to have more than 8.7million men and women across the globe with one line of thought towards achieving the goal of proclaiming the Kingdom good news(Matthew 24:14), if there isn't a Divine hand in it?–1Corinthians 1:10, Ephesians 4:3, Philippians 2:2

That's why when we meet someone who claims to be JW and doesn't speak the pure language(Zephaniah 3:9), we'll quickly know that he's an impostor!

Maximus69:
His problem is simple!

He doesn't find TRINITY reasonable yet he wants to believe that Jesus is the same as the Almighty God who wasn't created.

So he's locked up between two opinions whether to agree with JWs that Jesus is Archangel Michael and continue building on how this creature took part in the salvation of mankind or agree with TRINITY and continue building on how to explain Jesus' position in the Trinitarian Godheads!
His main problem now is there is no siting on the fence!

Hmm I think he made it clear that he doesn't believe in trinity.
But does he believe Jesus is the same as God? If so, then he's a trinitarian but doesn't know it yet.

Blabbermouth:
In both our pure and undiluted state of mind, we both know there is nothing ANGELIC about any of these.

Hold on, I can understand so far that you don't believe Jesus had a divine nature before he came to the earth?
That should mean you don't believe Jesus had a prehuman existence, correct?

bloodofthelamb:
I as a person is the living tabernacle (Church) of God. But I join the the believers of God in worshipping and fellowshipping at True Freedom in Christ Assembly worldwide.

You ignored the rest of my question. Can you vouch for all your church members that they believe in the same things as you do? Or everyone has his own different beliefs?

Blabbermouth:
Make I call people.
Haddeylium, Maximus69, DappaD, Chatinent, Janosky, and other Witnesses, will you take this challenge?
DrLiveLogic, Emusan, Csonice1, Petra1,Anas09, Solite3, and co. Will you take this challenge?

Challenge?
Is this some sort of game or what?

All their Daddy G.O’s know how to best is to evade laws established by the government–further exposing these ones to be false Christians since they can’t follow simple Bible principles! (Matthew 22:21, Romans 13:1, Titus 3:1)
Now how can any right thinking person still be attending such churches knowing that COVID-19 exposed ALL of them to be fraudsters?
Til now, Blabbermouth hasn’t been able to provide any reasonable rebuttal. He’ll soon rope himself in the reality.

haddeylium:
Omggg
You should have tried posting this in the Joke section and see how comedian it makes you look

I showed you where peter said that Joel prophesy about miraculous gift came to fulfilment in the 33C.E as the last days of Jewish system of things
You insinuating that I believed Peter's words against God's?... Really?
Who inspired both?....you see how funny you sound

Paul said Miraculous gift would be done away with when the Bible comes to completion...I showed you that too...we have the Bible Canon in whole now and the miraculous gift from God has been done away with...since God cannot lie(Titus1:2)
All what you're seeing out there is magic, if it really exist.

These Brothers are telling you that since some still claim to have the miraculous gift, why are they hesitating to visit the isolation centre?
Don't tell me it has limitations when it comes to COVID?

Is this question that difficult or such group doesn't exist?
I said mention that group (apart from JW) that meet the requirements that Jesus himself say would identity his true followers.
We have about 41000 denomination, so I'll wait

elated177:
Like I stated; no problem. Maintain your Lane and I will maintain mine.

Oh so now you want to stay in your lane?

When you were calling out Maximus69 and I, you didn’t know how to stay in your lane then?

Now that all your fictitious claims have been debunked by the Holy Scriptures, you want to be the first to run away?

However, the following are your own words.

elated177:
The Word will always be subject to his Owner. The Father is greater than his Son, his Word.
The Father is the God of his Word, his Son.

Basically repeated what I stated from the Scriptures but it’s fine.


But you earlier made an erroneous assertion. See what you earlier stated>>>>>>

elated177:
The Word of Yahveh Almighty is Yahveh Almighty himself. The Word of Yahveh Almighty is God Almighty. Yahushua the Messiah is God Almighty.

I want to believe elated177 was endowed with the same “power of reason” that Jehovah God instilled in humans upon creation(Romans 12:1)—so can you expatiate on how you got the two mixed up?

You know what, you’ve not been able to explain clearly from the Scriptures how “Yahveh” and “Yahushua” are correlated as to mean they’re the same person.

You’ve just been ranting and raving since and repeating trash you probably heard from your misinformed pastor–And now you feel the need to make everyone agree with your faulty assertions.

Well, you’re entitled to your own opinion of worship of whatever god you choose, be it this “Yahushua” god or another one–But one thing is sure, your god doesn’t stand a chance against the only true God, the Maker of the heavens and the earth, the Most High God, the Grand Creator and Instructor, the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty, the Sovereign Lord of the whole Universe—Jehovah of armies! (2Samuel 7:22,26, Nehemiah 9:6, Job 36:22, Psalm 83:18, 146:6, Isaiah 30:20, 42:5,8, Revelation 1:8, 4:11,15:3-4)

elated177:
On the contrary, everything he said has been scripturally disputed.

Unfortunately, all your fallible opinions have no place in the scriptures.

elated177 : I am not Christian.

DappaD : Big surprise here? Why of course you're not.

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elated177 : *goes ahead to quote the words of Christ at Matthew 7:13,14 and attempts to misapply those scriptures.*

DappaD : Really though? Why claim not to be a follower of someone and still use his words? Don't you think you are deceiving yourself?

Perhaps we'll find out after Bayern–PSG match.

Maximus69:
Our people don return from market!

For your information the guy you're quoting is a Muslim so if you have something tangible to say go ahead and answer his questions, we don't want emotional blackmail and there is no more hiding behind a finger expecting right thinking persons to join you in shouting "foul!" when your claims are exposed as false!

They are ready to tag anybody exposing their falsehood as a JW

Had it been trinitarians can come to one proper definition of their trinity god, we might give them a listening ear but as it seems, their triune god is so worthless to the point that it can't dispense accurate knowledge about itself to its worshipers!

bloodofthelamb:
Abraham rejoiced to see my day Jesus said, Before Abraham was I AM!

Jesus is the I AM that I AM that appeared to Moses at the burning bush. From Adam, Enoch, Moses, Joseph, David etc all are shadows of Jesus. They all point us to Jesus, the center of it all.

Please what is the name of the church where you worship?
And are you sure a 100% of your church members have this same mentality as yours?
Or this is just your personal opinion?

elated177:
DappaD, do you agree with Maximum69?

Everything Maximus69 said up there is Bible-based truth that cannot be disputed.

elated177:
Just one question to you, Maximum69 and DappaD, is the Messiah the God of Moses or not?

I'll try not to give a generic answer so I'll go straight to the point—

The Messiah or Anointed one(Jesus Christ) is subject to Jehovah God the Most High over the whole earth (Psalm 2:2, 83:18, 1Corinthians 15:27-28, Revelation 3:21)
Moses, a servant of Jehovah prophesied with regards to the coming of another of Jehovah's servant (Deuteronomy 18:15,18). This turned out to be Jesus the Messiah who is the Son of the Most High God(John 1:45, 6:14, Luke 1:31-33, Acts 3:22, 7:37)

So the Bible does make a clear distinction between Jehovah God and Jesus, in that the God of Moses is Jehovah (Exodus 3:15, Deuteronomy 6:4) and the God of Jesus is also Jehovah (Matthew 4:10, 6:9, 22:37, John 17:3, 20:17)

chidifrank:
Read 1 corinthians 12:7-11
Read 1 corinthians 14:1 - to d end. Talks abt gift of phophesy n speaking in tongues. All ds are gifts. Them plenty. not everyone here on nairaland doesn't read and bliv in God. We just read your comments n many others, shake our head, and don't comment. I had to comment today so u know no one knows it all except it's given to Him by Jesus. Good day

Useless man-made doctrines do really have its toll on people, no kidding.

This is what usually happens when a random churchgoer claiming to worship God doesn't know his left from his right when it comes to the Scriptures!

You'll often see them jumping from scripture to scripture without being able to convince the person listening to them

Maximus69:
Now this is mere assumption!

Let's focus on what the scriptures say not what you're fabricating from your own thinking.
Can you also note that you can't even quote one single verse to buttress your point?
That's what man-made doctrines can do with human brains!
You now abandoned God's word completely and the next thing is wanting everyone to believe your analogy!

I think he wants to tell us that he knows more than Moses, Jesus and Peter combined!

Blabbermouth:
Why will they see it? Sect A is busy talking about tithes and paid not attention. Sect B is busy expanding and building bigger buildings and paid not attention. Sect C is busy claiming they are the one true way and paid no attention. Until we take denominations away, we will not radiate that light Christ so desires us to.

Actually his statement was directed at you

This is your own statement

Blabbermouth : It's because you belong to a sect that does not believe in such, and thus, you never enjoyed that Supernatural dimension of God.

I take it from the italicized that you’ve experienced or enjoyed such? And how do we know you’re lying or telling the truth without evidence?
In addition to Janosky’s comment–how many of you claiming to have miraculous gifts of healing have been able to cure COVID-19? Or are Jehovah’s Witnesses right again according to 1Corinthians 13:8?
Are JW’s on the right track when they discern from the Scriptures that ‘pestilences’ and ‘deadly plague’ would be abound in this fading-out system of things?–Luke 21:11,Revelation 6:8

Blabbermouth:
Haddey my beloved, look at what Prophet Joel and Apostle Peter Said concerning the Last Days...
Act 2:17
"It shall come to pass in the last days, I will Pour out my spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:"
Thus saith the LORD.
JW have contradicted God's promise here by claiming that the marvellous signs and all died along with the first/early Christians.
No, no, no! No matter how any JW member try to twist it, they are inconsistent with the word of God here.
As long as the LAST DAYS is on, Christians are meant to prophesy, dream dreams, see vision and all...
Do you know why you've not captured this in your Christian experience? I do. It's because you belong to a sect that does not believe in such, and thus, you never enjoyed that Supernatural dimension of God.
PS: This is not to ridicule you or anyone that belongs to JW. It's just a way of pointing out the kind of unfulfillments that is inevitable if everyone continues to pledge allegiance to a sect.

I noticed you’re acting like a cunning snake.
Talmabout ‘This is not to ridicule you or anyone that belongs to JW’
Then go on right out to label the organization he belongs to a ‘sect’
I just see that as a derogatory statement.

Maximus69:
So what happens if someone tells you that those who don't believe in God are Cultists?
I remembered you and i had a thorough discuss on true Christianity but you just concluded that you're not interested in being subjected to any Religion.
For your information, God purposely created humans to worship him, so no matter what you say or do 99.9% of humans will continue to practice one Religion or the other!
So the only solution is what you're all running away from which is recognizing the one and only Religion that's approved by God, you'll notice that you can't even forgo the discussion about worship because you were created to be your brother's keeper in helping him to distinguish between right or wrong. But the irony of this is the fact that you are shooting yourself in the foot each time you try to debunk the gravitational force that's sustaining this instinct in them "GOD"

The supposed atheists think they're the only ones who get to call others names

OpenYourEyes1:
His Comment: "Sorry to burst your bubble but that assertion isn't found anywhere in the Bible.
Look up 1John 5:19 let's see if it talks about the ruler of the world being God or not."


My simple reply: "Appoint a king/leader that is outside of GOD's will then come back and tell me who truely Rules."

You can find the original posts here: https://www.nairaland.com/openyoureyes1/posts

Lol when did I become your friend?

Please was I the one who wrote 1John 5:19 and Revelation 12:9?

The Bible says at 2Corinthians 4:4
“...among whom the god[Satan the Devil] of this system of things[the world] has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, so that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through.” NWT

Who did 1John 5:19, Revelation 12:9 & 2Corinthians 4:4 say is in charge of the world presently?

OpenYourEyes1:
It is the KING of KINGS, Our EVERLASTING FATHER, The Owner of Heaven & earth.

I just smile whenever I remember this.

Sorry to burst your bubble but that assertion isn't found anywhere in the Bible.

Look up 1John 5:19 let's see if it talks about the ruler of the world being God or not.

Preciousgirl:
Job 9:4-8
[4]God is wise in heart and mighty in strength. Who has hardened himself against Him and prospered?

[5]He removes the mountains, and they do not know When He overturns them in His anger;

[6]He shakes the earth out of its place, And its pillars tremble;

[7]He commands the sun, and it does not rise; He seals off the stars;

[8]He alone spreads out the heavens, And treads on the waves of the sea;

And what point are you trying to make?

DrLiveLogic:
Soon: Look! Up in the sky, riding on clouds. It's son of Man, it's son of God, it's, it's.....the Logos!!

We all prolly saw the movie Spiderman back in, guess '02, featuring Toby McGuire as Spidey cum Peter Parker. Now if at any point in the movie you saw Toby, you wouldn't call him Toby but Peter when human and Spidey when he transforms. Yet the truth remains whether Spidey or Peter, he would in reality always be Toby. Obvious?

##Toby(Logos)- Peter(Son of Man)-Spidey(Son of God)##

Well it seems so many have trouble grasping this simple fact in the realities of the universe. There is the One who before creation was simply called the Logos, who created the universe but remained hidden from creation in the Father's bosom, John 1:18, until the time to act His role in creation came. What role was he to act? The Son of God. So we can title this real life movie being acted during the time span of creation: "Son of God". But just as for Toby to act Spidey, he must first act as Peter, so the Logos must first act Son of Man before transforming to Son of God.
As son of Man/Adam, he is an unblemished Adam, free from the fall, being formed from his divine Logos-substrate which generated his pure blood type, hence had to come through a virgin. Yet the omnipotence in his Logos-substrate was kept sealed up only to be unveiled if he passed the test of pure sacrificial obedience that Adam failed. In this state, his full divine abilities were therefore sealed up and he only experienced his divine nature and attributes, hence less than the Father, depending on Him. After he passed the test, he was then resurrected by the unlocking of his omnipotence in his Logos-substrate inside him and became the Son of God, Romans 1:4
As Son of God, he now was set free from his limitations as son of Man, having his full omnipotence of his Father unleashed from his Logos-substrate, lacking nothing found in the Father and is the full representation/image of the Father. However, even as Son of God having full privileges with God, he is still less than the Father. Why? Because this is simply a role he came to take for the creation, Adam, so that through him, all in Adam can experience full privileges of the Godhead. Through his union with all men, i.e. Him being in them and taking over every part, they experience this same state of Son of God. Hence son of God is for the creature not for the creator and the position is subject under the Godhead. The Logos is only helping man to achieve what he could never in his own ability.
This was God's destiny for Adam, to be a son of God/image of God. God who calls things that aren't yet as though they are already said to Adam "You are gods, all sons of Elyon..." as per Adam's destiny which was yet to be realised but unfortunately Adam failed to fulfill this, God says "...but you will die just as a Man", Psalm 82:6. So God Himself had to come help Man become God. Who else could make men experience being God but God Himself. No angel could give man that experience as they've never had it but only the Logos. It's His part in the real life movie.
However, He is still ultimately and always was the Logos and as Logos, not only has equal privileges with the Father but is equal with the Father, neither being the greater or less, first before the other, but both equally First and Last, Alpha and Omega, Revelation 1:11

Cc: bingbagbo, KNOWMORE56, rabzy, chatinent, achorladey, rottennaija, omokoginimi, johnw47, RussellRutherfo, Maximus69, DappaD, solite3, Janosky, Muttleylaff, Emusan, joyandfaith, Csonice1...

Lol... Sure... And your Trinitarian cohorts who have varying definitions of this ‘trinity god’ of yours have already come here giving you some sort of accolades

I guess you also saw this movie then: The Matrix(1999) — so why not also compare your ‘trinity god’ to that Keanu Reeves guy since you’re all about the place making comparisons between God and a fictional movie?

I don’t think this has been sounded enough–or maybe I should tell you–the God that JW’s worship is different from all other worthless gods–this your trinity god included. (Micah 4:5)

joyandfaith:
why are you to teach him what to believe ? are u God? or Jesus? or Holy Spirit? If can you ignore instructions of Apostles for us congregate together, you have no right to tell anyone what they should believe. You even said you cannot listen or obey Apostles. is that not hypocrisy?

He claims he's a follower of Christ but doesn't want to be part of any group and has no regard for the Bible.
So instead of teaching the ignorant ones from the Bible the real application of Jesus’ blood–as regards the once-and-for-all atonement of sins(something that he doesn't know, proving he's ignorant as well), he’s ever ready to force his own opinion down the throats of others

Maximus69:
Simply quote he detests submission but wants others to submit to his PERSONAL opinion!

We should always beware of people whose decisions are based on “I just feel that...” OR “As for me I think...” when it comes to matters on Biblical dogma

Such ones can never be trusted because their thinking would run parallel to the truth of God’s inspired word (The Bible)—1Thessalonians 2:17, 2Peter 1:20,21
Since such personal opinions will be flawed, in essence such ones would “speak twisted things” so that they can achieve their schemes! —Acts 20:30

joyandfaith:
I just want him to come openly that he has no regard letters written by Apostles to congregation. Since he has affirmed that Paul and other apostles cannot instruct him, who I am?

Uhmm permit me to barge in
But I noticed from several posts, that the man in question is fond of cherry picking certain Scriptures that suits his own thinking.
I mean he is ready to quote the inspired letter of Peter to validate a point about deceptive teachers(2Peter 2:1-3)but maybe quote where Peter was inspired to write that wives should be in subjection to their husbands (1Peter 3:1), he’ll come right out and label Peter a liar


Anyways that's just my observation and henceforth I know that such a person can’t be taken seriously.

Blabbermouth:
This is one of those many questions that believers try not to seek an answer to.
This is one of those many questions that will never be raised by anybody in any bible study. Do you know why you can't? Many will begin to see you as a Devil and a faith shaker.
I have the purest intent with the question i asked.

Lol. Trust me when I say more challenging questions have come my way.
It's like you've not understood Jehovah's Witnesses fully. Each time a JW is out in the field ministry, he comes in contact with SEVERAL people who will challenge/shake his faith. So it's up to him to remain firm in the truth he has learned! – Ephesians 6:14-15

So the question you're asking isn't out of the ordinary because an article explaining this was even considered in one of our meetings—I think some years back or so

@Blabbermouth

We've already stricken out the difference between FOREKNOWLEDGE and FOREORDINATION.
But somehow you still want to merge the two together just so you can achieve your aim.
That's fine anyway.
I've given my take on the matter.

Cya

Blabbermouth:
This is nothing but shadowboxing. Do you know the implication of what you are claiming?
If God Foreknows that a certain Jw will come and preach to me next year and he foreknows that I will chase him with a big broomstick. I mean this is supposed to happen next year o! Peradventure the JW comes to my house, do you think I will be able to welcome him and listen to him? No!
Do you know why?
God already foreknew that I chased him. So even if I enjoyed his preaching, I have no choice than to chase him because God cannot lie, He cannot make a mistake in his foreknowledge! ... In a mathematical language, it implies that Foreordaining is a function of Foreknowledge ; in a simpler term, the way I will ordain my future is dependent on what God has already foreknown about my future (makes no difference if He has pryed or not).. That's a very bitter truth. Now you see, we are back to square one.

Leave mathematics out of this first.

When humans rebel against him and make his heart SAD because of that, are you implying he ordains such to happen? Things that would sadden his heart?
Because if we're to ever understand something, we're going to have to look at things from God's point of view.

Blabbermouth:
Sadly, this is still cutting corners and you haven't answered the big question.
Foreknowledge - God knows I will do it
Foreordained- God made me do it
C'mon, God knows I will do something next year and I myself don't even know about it.
When I myself don't know about it, how in the world did I ordain it?
Let's not cut corners please.

Oh you yourself know the difference between FOREKNOWLEDGE and FOREORDINATION.

So if God never made the individual in my illustration to kill anybody, then He's not responsible but the man himself is because he has free will.
I see I've done justice to that already then.
Peace.

Blabbermouth:
Sadly, this is still cutting corners and you haven't answered the big question.
Foreknowledge - God knows I will do it
Foreordained- God made me do it
C'mon, God knows I will do something next year and I myself don't even know about it.
When I myself don't know about it, how in the world did I ordain it?
Let's not cut corners please.

I edited that post at the end.

Blabbermouth:
No! I got that from your response. You yourself said "God doesn't want to pry into our future..." So I asked you and I am still asking you;
Who ordained that "stuff" that God doesn't want to pry into?

You need to ask yourself whether God is responsible for the next action you take.

Someone murders another human out of shear wickedness and your best resort is to blame it on God? Like I said, if he wants to know the future of every human, he can but doesn't since man's heart is inclined to do bad.
There's a difference between FOREORDINATION and FOREKNOWLEDGE. Look both of them up.
God does not foreordain what the future of individual mortal men will be, but he can foreknow the future of individual humans if he chooses to. But note that he NEVER ordained what their future will be like. Every human has the liberty to create/manage his future dealings.

Blabbermouth:
An interesting read, I will save your reply...
@the bolded, like I said to someone on this thread, turning to the idea of "selective foreknowledge" does not solve the puzzle.
You said "God does not want to pry into our future"....
That paints a scenario where our future (perhaps in the form of a book or movie) has already been written. To remain happy, God chose not to read the book or see this " future movie"...
If this is so, then we should not be shy from answering this;
Who wrote that book/directed that movie or say, who wrote that "our future" that God does not want to pry into?

No script has been written specially for anybody sir. Jehovah's promises affect mankind in general.
You're getting that premise, probably from what you've been taught but definitely not the Bible.