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TheBedWench:
The Gospel is a pure pagan book and it was not written by Hebrew Prophets and holy scribes. The Gospel does away with the laws of God and introduces Roman paganism and Idol worship. There was never a Peter, Paul, Luke or Matthew that were disciples of the Messiah. The Yudeans like Hughes De Pagens and the 8 cofounders of Knights Templar were all relatives. All the Yudeans mentioned Isa, Mariam, Lazurus. and Mary Magdalene were all relatives of the same tribe. None of them were ever Romans or were in working relationships with any Romans. The Gospel is a Roman book and the old testament is a Roman interpretation of the Hebrew books they stole. There are only 100 Holy books not found in the Bible.


Wake up out your slumber

TheBedWench : There was never a Paul

But you feel okay quoting 1Corinthians written by the same Paul abi?
So who would wake up from his slumber now?

Acehart:
I did not set out to be sensible; neither did I set out to convince you or to be convinced by you. I have seen the jibes of you and your friend and posterity would use your reactions as feedback.

With scriptures, you showed me that Jehovah is indeed one; I agree - this has been my belief since childhood. But I have shown (in part) you that those who believe that Jehovah is One-in-Three through the scriptures; and in a show of humility, sympathy and responsibility, Jehovah God, the One-in-Three, sent a third of its Unit, Christ, to redeem Man and you term me senile; did I use external sources to support my claim?

Don’t the gnostic have the same belief as you - God is One person? Don’t they use the scriptures to propagate their beliefs? Don’t the belief of the Islamist and the JW have consanguinity in belief? But I am not moved by any belief which doesn’t make character - the lack of this in you and your friend is saddening.

You barely answered me word for word and deviated a lot. If your agenda is to entreat by coercion or superiority display, what JW would have is a production line of proselytes whose persuasion wouldn’t stand the test of time.

@the highlighted, do you know more than Moses and Jesus—two of divinely inspired representatives of Jehovah?

Please read Deuteronomy 6:4 and Mark 12:29.
Let's know whether they(being inspired of Jehovah's spirit) agree with the highlighted—or whether you're the one who's trying to make out what's not there.

Oh and I do apologize for sounding “AGGRESSIVE”—as you earlier put it though.
Just that when our faith as JWs(true Christians) is challenged, the Bible advises us to “stand firm” in the truth we have learned and defend our faith—1Corinthians 16:13; Ephesians 6:14; 1Peter 3:15

Maximus69:
They're all scared of Jehovah's Witnesses!

To them when people are religiously obedient to any standard it means brainwashing but each time they try to discuss with a JW, they can see how efficacious each JW is in the use of the Bible to defend his/her FAITH!

Each of them just want to prove himself/herself right not bothering whether those with whom he/she worships agree with the same line of thought, but they're baffled as Jehovah's Witnesses are throughout the earth from different races and tongues and national groups yet having the same line of thought and principles!

So their hearts are in despair and becoming restless by the second, deep down in their hearts they know that a mighty spirit is behind Jehovah's Witnesses Organization therefore they want us to tell them "we are all worshiping the same God as you too" but each time we tell them "NO our God differs from yours" they find it really hard to let go, because they can't ascribe the fine qualities everyone is seeing globally to Satan (the god of confusion) Matthew 7:16-18

They think growing spiritually means setting standards for yourself without consulting the Scriptures and asking for God's holy spirit (Luke 11:13, 2Timothy 3:16)
They don't know what it means to live by Bible standards/principles.
They don't know why Jehovah's Witnesses are being hated and lied against all the time because Jehovah's Witnesses choose to align/adjust their lifestyle/thinking to Bible standards. (John 15:19-20)

That's why I said Acehart hasn't met, sat down and discussed heart to heart with a JW before else he wouldn't be making such conclusions.

Maximus69:
You still haven't gotten the drift DappaD!

Acehart is not asking for what the Watchtower Organization taught you and the rest of other brothers globally. As long as you keep saying what makes you and your global family one in faith, to a person like Acehart you are not original. But just fabricate your own beliefs the way Trinitarians are doing they're not expected to agree on any standard {2Timothy 3:3} then you'll become original like them . Matthew 7:23

I was beginning to think Acehart was sensible. I didn't know he was feeling threatened and intimidated all this while.

Acehart:
Good morning. I heard a lot about Michel Platini but I didn’t have the opportunity of watching him; but thankfully I watched Jean Tigana and Jean-Pierre Papin play. I remember Tigana so well...he was a strong player... Abedi Pele wasn’t as good as he was when he put on the Black Stars’ jersey. I tell you Marseille was a good team. They won the European cup and after that, their fortunes nosedived; until a certain Didier Drogba bust into the scene and brought the glory days back.

Don’t let anyone tell you football was more interesting viewing on colour TV than on black-and-white TV; the game has always been beautiful until the introduction of VAR.

You had always spoken well until you introduced aggression. Haven’t you read that anger does not produce the righteousness God desires? Do you see why I asked you those questions -if you are saved and currently living a holy life? Head-filled knowledge is different from spirit-filled knowledge -the latter is peaceable; the former is irritable.

That's not the case at all sir.
Since my replies were delicate—you felt intimidated and had no other choice but to label me derivative.
I don't think you've met Jehovah's Witnesses upfront to know whether they apply Bible teachings in their lives or not.

That's the crux of the matter, Mr Acehart.

@Acehart,
Your first mistake was to tell me my words are unoriginal. I'm not saying I know too much—but if you need me to properly school you on the Bible via video call I will gladly do it—so that we will see whether the words I speak are mine or not.

Acehart:
I would have responded but you aren’t answering me by your own words (for you have grafted in sentences from your online resources): [s]For each word I have spoken, you have responded with someone else’s words.[/s]

And here I imagined you were a straightforward individual. So because my words are so flavoured—blended in and out with Scriptural knowledge, you dare go ahead and label all I've said unoriginal?

Mr Acehart, you don't have to feel intimidated when Jehovah's Witnesses discuss deeply from the Bible
—because you've not even met the very mature Christians among us.

So please make no mistake, all I wrote above are my own words—none of the sentences above were picked up from any website sir.
It's just how I type—a bit structured.

Besides, any other one of Jehovah's Witnesses will explain stuff the same way I did—perhaps even better. There are mature Christians among us who will do better. I don't see the need why you'll come up with such a conclusion.

I end by saying God is One and He has always been one. The most important question is: Have you been washed in the Blood of the Lamb? Are you living a Holy and Righteous life? You have no need to answer those questions.

Well since you already said I don't have to, I guess that settles it—but know that I'm not answerable to you.

Have a lovely time wherever you are.

And you too, Mr Acehart.

solite3:
see liars, where did solite say Jesus and the father are same person?

Below contains the wrong assertion you made—all you ever say is wrong btw

solite3:
They are gods, no problem, they are not God.

Jesus is God and the mighty God Jehovah himself.

Let's assume that Solite3's other name is Sodark3. Is Sodark3 the same as Solite3? Yes. Because Solite3=Sodark3

That's what you asserted at the above.
Stop all these childish lies as more is expected from you.
You can see this useless trinity god is just spinning you left and right because you've refused to come and know the only true God, Jehovah AND his Son, Jesus Christ.—John 17:3

Maximus69:
Yeye Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Omniscient people!

They don't even know what BELIEVE (TRUST) is all about, how on earth will i put my faith in a God who doesn't have any standards, he can just do anything he likes, so what will be my guide to be sure of his acceptance?

If Jehovah God decides not to follow his own standards, nobody in heaven or earth can do anything about it. But he is not a tyrant, that's why he follows his own standards reminding us that the way of Jehovah is perfect, righteous and He is an upright God — Deuteronomy 32:4

According to the World Christian Encyclopedia, there are some “10,000 distinct religions worldwide.” Because conflicts between them have led to untold hurt, the concept of interfaith brings hope to many worshippers. They believe that it can engender peace and unity in a divided world.

The Bible encourages unity. The apostle Paul likened the Christian congregation to a human body, each member being “harmoniously joined together and being made to cooperate.” (Ephesians 4:16) Similarly, the apostle Peter urged his fellow believers: “All of you be like-minded.”​—1 Peter 3:8.

The early Christians lived in a multicultural and multireligious world. Yet, when writing about the mingling of different religions, Paul asked: “What portion does a faithful person have with an unbeliever?” Then he warned Christians to “get out from among them.” (2 Corinthians 6:15, 17) Clearly, Paul was speaking against interfaith. Why did he do so?

The apostle explained that spiritual fellowship between one who is a true Christian and one who is not would be an uneven yoke, a misfit. (2 Corinthians 6:14) It could result only in harm to the Christian’s faith. Paul’s concerns were like those of a father who knows that some children in his neighborhood behave badly. As a concerned parent, he wisely sets limits on whom his child should play with. His restrictions may be unpopular. Under the circumstances, however, being separate would protect his child from bad influences. Similarly, Paul knew that separate from other religions would protect Christians against their harmful practices.

In taking that stand, Paul was imitating Jesus. While Jesus set the greatest example in promoting peace among people, he did not practice interfaith. Many religious groups, such as the Pharisees and the Sadducees, were active during Jesus’ earthly ministry. In fact, these religious factions joined forces to challenge Jesus, going as far as to plot his death. Jesus, on the other hand, directed his followers to “watch out . . . for the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.”​—Matthew 16:12.

What about today? Is the Bible’s warning against interfaith still valid? Yes, it is. This is because differing religious beliefs cannot bond through interfaith any more than oil and water can mix simply by putting them together in a pot. For instance, when people of different religions come together to pray for peace, which god is being petitioned? Christendom’s Trinitarian God? Hinduism’s Brahma? The Buddha? Or someone else?

The prophet Micah foretold that “in the final part of the days,” people from all nations would say: “Come, you people, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths.” (Micah 4:1-4) The result would be peace and unity on a worldwide scale, not because all faiths are somehow joined, but because all people accept the one true faith.



Source: www.jw.org
Link: https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/wp20100601/How-Do-Jehovahs-Witnesses-View-Interfaith/

Acehart
When I said Jehovah doesn't go above the standards he set, you should've asked what I meant rather running straight to conclusions.

Why do you think Jesus Christ(Michael), the firstborn and only begotten Son of Jehovah God had to come down to the earth to give his life on the torture stake?

After Adam sinned, he lost his perfect life and brought upon sin and death to all of us (Romans 5:12)
Why didn't Jehovah just say “I'll forgive the children of Adam and make all of them perfect” just like that? Because of his own principle he follows: “A life for a life”—Exodus 21:23

All of us—Adam's descendants are imperfect so none of us can redeem/rescue ourselves from slavery to sin and death—Psalm 49:7-9

So Jesus had to offer up his own perfect life as a ransom on the torture stake to make up for the perfect life that Adam had but lost.—Matthew 20:28, 1Corinthians 15:47, 1Timothy 2:5,6
So that by just exercising faith in Jesus, we can be redeemed from sin and death, have a good conscience and later on, gain everlasting life—John 3:16, 6:40, Romans 6:23, 1John 5:13


That's just one example, there are others.

Acehart:
Hello engineer. Why is a lawyer the Minister of Power and Works in your country? Why isn’t anyone from the NSE qualified for the job? Maybe lawyers are better than engineers in Nigeria because they are more knowledgeable and are willing to read and expand.


Please, answer these questions.

Perhaps you should ask those who get involved with politics. As for me, I'm interested in practical skills acquisition and onsite jobs.

No man will ever be saved by the preaching of doctrine of the trinity or unity. If one glories in the belief of the trinity or the unitary of God, he glories in a vain thing. John 3:16 didn’t have as an addendum a clause stating that the belief of the trinity or unitary is necessary for salvation. (Praise the Lord). However, the right belief is necessary so that our joy may be full. We differ in doctrine, because we are members of the House of God - strangers don’t bicker endlessly.

Good, nobody will be saved by believing in the trinity doctrine so why we still dragging this out then?
Knowing the REAL truth about who Jehovah God and Jesus are, is vital for one to gain everlasting life.

John 17:3

“This means everlasting life , their coming to know you, the only true God[Jehovah], and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.”

Again, the ‘AND’ conjunction is present indicating a demarcation in personalities. How this is not clear to some people though, is what I can't fathom.

God is omnipotent, we all agree. If God is omnipotent, does He have the power to change His celestial nature to a terrestrial nature? If God is just, can He judge the whole world if He is not objective? I mean: can He rightly judge anyone if He has not got all the facts and evidence, to see things for Himself? If He must get these facts, should He come down in bodily form just as He did to Sodom and Gomorrah?

Jehovah is rightly the all-powerful God. But in this case, the concept of an omnipotent God suggests that he can just act anyhow without following his own procedure/standards/protocol.

As for Genesis 18, the men who visited Abraham were Jehovah's angels—not Jehovah God himself.
How do we truly know they were all angels?
Well about 1,900years later, the apostle Paul wrote that some[Abraham and Sarah] unknowingly entertained ANGELS [Paul did not say God materialised, but rather angels] in their home—Hebrews 13:2.

The scriptures are consistent when it says that “NO MAN HAS SEEN JEHOVAH GOD AT ANY TIME” —Exodus 33:17,20; John 1:18
The angels materialised to become men, just as the rebellious angels did in Noah's day—it was an ability/privilege angels had.
Jehovah God doesn't need to come down from his heavenly throne when he has “myriads and myriads” of angels he can send on errands. (Daniel 7:10; Revelation 5:11)
The angels were sent to inspect Sodom and Gomorrah and get the full facts whether the city actually carried on in brazen conduct—something detestable to Jehovah. Well on the first night there, in Lot's home, the allegations proved to be true when all the males of the city requested to have sex with the materialised angels.
It was after this was established, that “fire and sulfur” was rained down on Sodom and Gomorrah by Jehovah.

Acehart:
Please read again. I’ll respond tomorrow. I’m very sure that there would be clarity when you read my comment again. You may try to find out more on the meaning of de facto and de jure and their application.

Later

I'm an engineer not a lawyer, sir!

Maximus69:
I was laughing in chinco when i saw your lengthy reply to a Trinitarian Churchgoer!
Of course he will double if not triple the post to reply you, you think sey nah only JW sabi preach shey?

He now said he was leading me as if na game we come play.

Acehart:
Let’s look at the following scriptures my brother:

Hosea 13:8 God described as a mother bear

“Like a bear robbed of her cubs, I will attack them and tear them asunder…”

Deuteronomy 32:11-12 God described as a mother eagle

“Like the eagle that stirs up its nest, and hovers over its young, God spreads wings to catch you, and carries you on pinions.”

Deuteronomy 32:18 God who gives birth

“You were unmindful of the Rock that bore you; you forgot the God who gave you birth.”

Isaiah 66:13 God as a comforting mother

God: “As a mother comforts her child, so I will comfort you; you shall be comforted in Jerusalem.”

Isaiah 49:15 God compared to a nursing mother

God: “Can a woman forget her nursing child, or show no compassion for the child of her womb? Even these may forget, yet I will not forget you.”

Isaiah 42:14 God as a woman in labor

God: “For a long time I have held my peace, I have kept myself still and restrained myself; now I will cry out like a woman in labor, I will gasp and pant.”

Psalm 131:2 God as a Mother

“But I have calmed and quieted my soul, like a weaned child with its mother; my soul is like the weaned child that is with me.”

Psalm 123:2-3 God compared to a woman
“As the eyes of a servant looks to the hand of their master, as the eyes of a maid to the hand of her mistress, so our eyes look to you, YHWH, until you show us your mercy!”

Matthew 23:37 and Luke 13:34 God as a Mother Hen

Jesus: “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often have I desired to gather your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing!”

Luke 15:8-10 God as woman looking for her lost coin

Jesus: “Or what woman having ten silver coins, is she loses one of them, does not light a lamp, sweep the house, and search carefully until she finds it? When she has found it, she calls together her friends and neighbors saying, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found the coin that I had lost.’ Just so, I tell you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”

DappaD, would it be preposterous if I referred to God as a woman or “The Mother” because of the verses listed up there? They are more than the verses you listed to support that Jehovah is “The Father”. If it were to be a B-ball game, I’ll be leading

Of all the characters contested on in this thread, Christ is the only person in the NT that has the motherly attribute. If He wasn’t referred to as “The Son” but “The Mother”, would it make sense that Christ is indeed the Woman spoken about in the verses I listed? (I hope I am not sounding complicated).

You spoke of the angels having a godlike nature or divine nature; are angels eternal? Are they without beginning and end? If the train of God filled the temple, why then do the seraphims fly to reach one end of the temple to the other? If they were indeed divine in nature, why do some of them fall, get defeated, restrained, destroyed? Why are they limited in knowledge, incapacitated to know the full mystery of God or even silent before the throne?

Before I rest my fingers, I’d like to ask if you if you have watched The Game of Thrones, you would agree with me that the King’s hand was de facto King in the event of the king’s absence. More than what the king’s hand meant in the HBO series, Christ standing in the Dexios (right hand of God) means He stands in the place of authority of God. This isn’t a title given to a minion, a subordinate, an adjutant, an under-secretary, a de facto, but a de jure. Yes, the time hasn’t come for the de jure King to take what is rightfully his, yet He is who He is - the Lord, God.

OK OK
You're putting out too much information making it difficult for me to reply.
I'll reply to what I can.
As for GOT, yeah sure.
But why initially compare to that series and then switch lanes and make it contrast from what you initially proposed?
In what way was Eddard Stark the same person as the king Robert Baratheon?
This scenario is the perfect one to illustrate—since Jesus was at God's right hand before assuming kingship in God's Kingdom, how can you still go ahead and claim he is the Almighty God?

WizzyVine:
When Jesus said "I and my Father are one", what did you think He meant?

When Jesus said “his disciples will be ONE just as he[Jesus] and his Father, Jehovah are ONE”, what do you think He meant?
John 17:21-23—verse 22 especially
“I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be ONE just as we are ONE.”
Please can you explain what Jesus meant here?
Were the disciples to form one mishmash of personalities and turn to an unnamed trinity god too?

Or did Jesus say his disciples will be in agreement and united in thought just as he and his Father are?—1Corinthians 1:10, Ephesians 4:3, Philippians 2:2

You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free

Indeed when you know the truth about John 10:30, you'll be set free from all useless religious doctrines.

elated177:
Ok oo? As in you have accepted the challenge?

Have I thrown any insults at any of you? Doing that will mean condescend to your level.

That one is your business, elated177.

Acehart:
Yes, the verse you highlighted showed two distinct individuals receiving the same one-honor. You have spoken well, Two individuals- The one who sits on the throne AND The Lamb; I’d like to assume that the former, the undistinguished one, is The Father.

Yours is the only reasonable comment I can reply to
But I see you're only dragging the matter sha but OK
Guess this is your own definition of a triune god?

why then do you say Christ Jesus isn’t deity?

What's the definition of a deity?
It simply means a “god” or “godess”
The Bible rightly called men “gods”—Psalm 82:6, John 10:34,35
Jehovah God bestowed authority on Moses to be God before Pharaoh—Exodus 4:16, 7:1
So it's not a big deal, Jesus Christ is godlike/divine in nature and so are the other angels in heaven but none of them compare to the Jehovah the Almighty God (Genesis 17:1, Revelation 15:3)

Then, you have said that there is nowhere in the scriptures where Jesus is referred to as “The One”; this is “true”; I’d like to ask you if there is anywhere in the scriptures where the Father is referred to as “The One”? (Please note the word “Father” is a New Testament concept)

I've already provided Scriptures for all those already — Isaiah 41:14, 43:12, 48:17, Daniel 7:13, Revelation 21:5.
@the underlined, no I will not note that because the term “Father” is not exclusive to just the New Testament. Please see Isaiah 63:16 and 64:8 and douse your thirst.

The Jews have always known that the One Jehovah, is plural; hence their fury at Jesus’ claim to be one of the conglomerate.

I'm not sure I understand this clearly. The Bible reveals that the Jews have always known their God to be one and one alone—Deuteronomy 6:4, 1Corinthians 8:6, 1Timothy 2:5
@Mark 12:32, Jesus himself debunked all claims/falsehoods saying that God is a three-in-one. Please read that verse.
As for the italicised, the Jews were furious at Jesus for allegedly making himself “God's Son” —John 10:36. It was the dubious Jews at John 5:18 who misunderstood the whole thing and said Jesus called himself God hence the air was cleared at John 10:36.

Why did Stephen pray to the Son? If Stephen’s testimony is true, why shouldn’t we accept that the Son of Man stands in the place of God? Why did he describe this Son of Man as the Glory of God - the one who spoke to Moses in the bush - Moses’ coming prophet - the Righteous one the prophet’s spoke of - the one whom he prayed to?

Acts 7:55-56
“But he, being full of holy spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus standing at God’s right hand, and he said: “Look! I see the heavens opened up and the Son of man standing at God’s right hand.”

The verse clearly reads “of God's glory AND of Jesus”—the ‘AND’ conjunction indicating a demarcation.
From programming, God's glory !== Jesus


And where was Jesus situated at?—God's right hand. That's right, by the side of Jehovah God and that's why he could tell Jesus to receive his spirit. Knowing that anything he asks in Jesus' name would be answered—John 15:16.
Stephen knew this, and God being present then, he was invariably making his petition known to Jehovah his God—through Jesus(Philippians 4:6)

Isaiah said to Jerusalem “Behold your God will come...like a shepherd” -He said this referring to Christ Jesus. Christ Jesus has always made it clear to all around him that He is not alone, and thought no robbery to ascribe the Godhead to himself alone (Philli. 2:6).

Jehovah God himself is the Shepherd who cares for his sheep (Jeremiah 31:10)
But he has ascribed power and authority to his Son, Jesus Christ so that he[Jesus] intercedes in our behalf and therefore is the “fine shepherd” of the Christian congregation — Matthew 28:18, John 10:11, Ephesians 5:23, Hebrews 13:20
Elders in the Christian congregation have also been assigned to “shepherd the flock of God” — 1Peter 5:2

As for Philippians 2:5-9, we've already established that Jesus was godlike/of divine nature/spirit form before he came to the earth(John 1:1, Colossians 1:15-17, Revelation 3:14), that's why that scripture said he was in “God's form” and so are the rest of the angels in heaven (Psalm 104:4)
It's just like saying because Adam was made in God's image, that somehow made him Jehovah God? Is that what you're saying?
Mind you, the word “Godhead” appears a total number of ZERO time(s) in both the Hebrew/Greek Scriptures so I don't see why you're bringing it up in our discussion.

Eagban:
Jehovah witnesses are no different from the pharisees of Jesus time who accused Him of blasphemy because he claimed to be God (Mark 2:7, John 10: 33). They see anybody who acknowledges Jesus Christ as God as blasphemous..
The Pharisees do not have any problem with Jesus as a man but have problem with him as a deity, just the way the Jehovah witnesses do.

The Bible cannot help them and you cannot help them either.... Their " new world translation" has changed many things in the Bible to suit its founder's doctrine and that is the problem with them.

You cannot change their minds... Just be rest assured that those who do not believe in Jesus Christ will never enter His rest.

Let's expand that John 10:33-36

Verse 33: The Jews answered him: “We are stoning you, not for a fine work, but for blasphemy; for you, although being a man, make yourself a god.”

Verse 34: Jesus answered them: “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said: “You are gods”’? **Margin: Psalm 82:6

Verse 35: If he called ‘gods’ those against whom the word of God came—and yet the scripture cannot be nullified—

Verse 36: do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?

Look at verse 36 in particular, did Jesus call himself the “Almighty God” or “God's Son”?.
Let the scriptures say the truth biko.
So show us the scripture Jesus said he was God please and thank you.

It has come to my notice that solite3 believes Jesus is God and he agrees he's a trinitarian.
But then again, WizzyVine also believes Jesus is God and he denies being a trinitarian.
So how do we resolve this issue on ground now?

WizzyVine:
As for the voice of an archangel, He can come in any voice He chooses. That doesn't mean He is then an archangel. He spoke to John in the voice of many waters, does that make Him many waters?

Don't fill the scriptures with your own words. The Bible can speak for itself. The scriptures then should then say:

"And He shall come in the voice of Archangel Michael."

Or

"And He shall come as Archangel Michael."

Or

"And He shall come in the form of Archangel Michael."

Or

"And He shall speak with the voice of Archangel Michael."



I know you shuddered at those scriptures but you've made up your mind to maintain your ego. Those scriptures are explicit enough, but if you want something more direct, look at Romans 9:4-5

King James

Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.



New Living Translation

"Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are their ancestors, and Christ himself was an Israelite as far as his human nature is concerned. And he is God, the one who rules over everything and is worthy of eternal praise! Amen"

Christian Standard Bible

"The ancestors are theirs, and from them, by physical descent, came the Christ, who is God over all, praised forever. Amen."

New International Version

"Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of the Messiah, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen."

Stunned?

You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free

If Jesus is indeed higher than the archangel Michael, then why would he come in the voice of a lesser angel? E no get im own voice normally?
There's only one way to reconcile all of these.

Solite3 please do justice to this ASAP. We're waiting to hear from you.

Maximus69:
Nothing to think again just quote where the Bible says

"Jesus is God" i'll continue from there!

solite3:
you dont even know, what you are arguing against, if you knew you should have realised the argument has already ended from the beginning.

Arguing or stating facts?

solite3:
Jesus and the father are not the same person but rather one being.

It shows you dont even know about the trinity.

Why would I waste my time knowing some worthless god that can't dispense accurate knowledge about itself to those who worship it?

I think the attention of DrLiveLogic is needed
Mr solite3 has committed the same blunder again

solite3:
I never said that the son[Jesus] is the same as the father.[Jehovah]

Few minutes later...

solite3:
Jesus is God and the mighty God Jehovah himself.

I don't know if I'm the only one thinking about this—but I think solite3 should see a therapist to ascertain whether this condition is his fault or not.

solite3:
I never said that the son is the same as the father.

You just keep contradicting yourself here and there.
Perhaps DrLiveLogic should come restructure your thinking again?



Question: Please who is the Father?
Answer: Jehovah God (Isaiah 64:8, Matthew 6:9, John 20:17)

Question: Please who is the Son?
Answer: Jesus, of course(Matthew 16:16, John 20:31)

So I ask, Mr solite3, are Jehovah and Jesus the same person or not?

Acehart:
Hi, hope you had a nice meeting at the Kingdom Hall or online transmission?

I know you are aware of the events that took place in Revelations Chapter 5. We see how the very highest worship of heaven is was offered to the lamb(Rev 5:12-13). We saw all Angels and Elders bowed to the Lamb.

I’d like to assume that you know the first verse in the one hundredth and tenth Psalm of David, when translated from the original manuscript is: Elohim said to Adonai. (Psalm 110:1).

In Isaiah’s vision in the year his uncle died, he said: “I saw Adonai seated on a throne”. I would like to draw your attention to the indefinite article “a” - you know what it means.

In the New Testament, only Jesus Christ is called “Adonai”. The question you should ask is this: “who is Elohim?” or “who are Elohim”, because Adonai is a Singular, while “Elohim” is plural.

Our virtual meetings have been okay, thank you for asking.


Well let's explore the Scriptures then

Revelation 5:13

“And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and underneath the earth and on the sea, and all the things in them, saying: “To the One sitting on the throne and to the Lamb be the blessing and the honor and the glory and the might forever and ever.””

Notice the highlighted words, it will catch the attention of any honesthearted individual that the verse is referring to two DISTINCT individuals. I don't know if you agree?

Jehovah God is that “One” in capitals and never has Jesus been called “the One”, just his Father, Jehovah. See Isaiah 43:12, 48:17 Daniel 7:9,13; Habakkuk 1:13, Revelation 4:9-11
Of course, Jesus would receive honor being the “the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.”—John 1:29 but he and his Father/God are two individuals entirely and not some mishmash of personalities.

solite3:
non of them is God begotten Son .

So where did the Bible now say the only begotten Son is the same as his Father, Jehovah God?
Evidence please!

solite3:
of course you cant defend your fraud.
so you have no proof that Jesus was michael before coming to earth but yet there is proof that Jesus was God before coming to earth.

Of course you can't defend your own trinity fraud
So you have no Biblical proof that Jesus is the Almighty God yet there is resounding evidence from the scriptures that since Jesus is subject to his Father, Jehovah, he is the archangel Michael.

solite3:
going by your logic if Son of God is not God, then son of man is not man right?

Apply sense nah
Going by own logic, so all the sons of God—angels(Genesis 6:2, Job 1:6, 38:7) are now the same as Jehovah God?

solite3:
I will show you only if you first answer my question.

Me too, I'll only show you if you first answer my own question.

solite3:
Didnt you see paul called him the great God and saviour?
Meanwhile atleast you can show where Jesus was described as Michael.

I said leave all explanations out of this and provide the scripture that said the below

Jesus is God.

Simple! Since we want to ignore context, let's have a go at it then.