₦airaland Forum

Beamborla:
I agree with the OP this time.

Used to have this neighbor whose wife told me that 'I never imagined I'd end up with him, who is he? Not even in my dreams if not for what happened'

She got pregnant and they got married. Their relationship is...

SpicyMimi:
Oh yes you should! Prayers work wonders you have no idea!!!!
I have gone through hell in the hands of men, but when I finally called God to choose for me.....mehnnn....you know God will not give you stone when you ask for bread instead He will give you a nice, attractive, delicious and well baked bread.

Call Him now!!!!

Wow! What an amazing story.

obataokenwa:
OP forgot to add that it's the headquarter of yahoo boys worldwide. I've stayed a little bit in Road 19, mennh, I learnt how to package and smuggle drug outside through different means. we were about six guys in same flat and we all browse and chat all day long looking for Maye. thank God today I'm a child of God doing legal business to make endsmeet. serving God pays.

Drugs as in weed or harder substance?

bejeria101:
Not almost,they are imprisoned. Let me share dis with you,i have a friend funny enough his name is seun. You cld predict where he wld be,at home,church or basketball court. His dad was worried abt dis and thought his son was GAY! U can imagine,because he wasnt the party,noisy type.

Wait what?!?!

RaeMystix:
Oh please

The fact that they look alike is not definite proof in my own eyes ma'am.

Joavid:
This month makes it one year since 65 companies were granted licences to build modular refineries in Nigeria.
So far only one company was in the news when it claimed that it's refinery will be ready before 2016 ends. They later moved it early 2017.
and this has confirmed my assertion that private enterprises will not solve Nigeria's infrastructure deficits, and the way out is for governments to build those infrastructure and then sell them to the public. If that means taking foreign loans from ADB, IDB, or the World Bank, so be it. Yes, there is a risk that those loans may be squandered - as happened in the past - but that is minimal, understanding the present federal government.
But then, I expect such things to be important enough for Nigerians to keep track of their progress, but over time we got distracted with what Ayo Fayose or Dino Melaye is saying. I think we should keep our eyes on the things that matter most.

#justthinkingaloud

Wrong! Govts are not good at running companies they should be left to private enterprise.

misspicy:
Apart from the disrespect part, hasn't it always been like this?

Most boys were allowed total unrestricted freedom from even house chores for the single reason that they are male kids.
Most were given the choice meat,largest food portion,cleaned after by their sisters etc.
Why do you think we have some really dirty husbands now? Overgrown babies who can't even wash their own boxers?
Even in my house,my niece wash her brothers cloths on the instruction of her mummy,beaten if she shouts back at them or fight them,not because she is younger but because she is female,and will go to husband house
a lot more,lemme hold it here.

Maybe the elite parents of this generation will help correct this trend for our future daughters

Wow! So Naija son rotten finish? I can't imagine my mother telling my sister to wash my clothes or give her a piece of meat bigger than hers simply because of my gender. Now I understand what Chimamanda Adochie was saying in her speech about feminism.

RaeMystix:
Compare this picture from this forum with any of those pictures of her with Rob on Google images.

It could be a look alike, you know?

RaeMystix:
Robert Kardashian and Naza Jafarian. What search engine are you using?. Use Google

But her name is Naza Khosro? At least that's what the article says?

OP, its because of standards. I think over there you have zoning laws that prohibit you from erecting structures anywhere you go. Its not like Nigeria where you just build anywhere.

I am also sure that they have sanitation standards and a central sewage system.

Blue3k:
Counter culture usually takes 8-10 years but Internet and social media speeds up trend faster then ever before. Lastly popular ideas in politics take longer then it does in politics since they are last to understand change.

You can tell people your opinion it's free country. If your points make sense they will agree. Then they will pass down principles themselves.

So wait, if I am hearing you correctly, you want me to go change people's minds when I have not even changed my neighbor's heart? If teachers, pastors and imams have not been able to do it, you think the internet (assuming most Nigerians have access to it) would be able to accomplish the same thing?

Blue3k:
That's not what I said at all. I said the society bred these devils. Intellectual change start at home. Then ideas get pooular from vocal minority . Then permeates rest of society till it becomes the norm culture.

So how long are we talking here for this to come to fruition?

Also, how can I go to someone house and tell them what to teach their kids? How is that going to work?

Duru1:
How do you get to the leadership? You cannot talk about leadership without the people or the society. I guess you should agree that Nigerian society produced the problematic leadership hence the issue lies with the society. Lion does not produce Deer. It is unfortunate that Africans tend to put too much weight on the leadership.

So what you are saying is that for change to occur in Nigeria that you have to go round the entire country and somehow, some way change the mindset of all 180 million or so people in the country? How practical is that?

Somethings sound real good on paper but when you think of how to make them a reality it's another ball game completely.

Blue3k:
Sorry my man society breads the guys. The same society that burns market thief but won't touch a politician. The curruption and theft can be as obvious as day and night with no outcry. Just look at Kebbi governor open bribing state assembly with state funds.

http://www.nationalhelm.net/2016/11/kebbi-gov-presents-brand-new-cars-worth.html

I do agree with second half . I personally think the war on curruption not that sincere. If it was they would be a few convictions especially when it so blatant and widespread. He can't even get police to stop taking like bribes at check points.

So you mean that the only way Nigeria would change is when someone goes round and seats down with all the citizens of this country and tells them to change their mentality that Nigeria can progress? How practical is that?

lefulefu:
i jus tire for that freeman guy oo.na jus normal marriage he don turn into James bond/bourne supremacy spy theory.All cos the chick happens to come frm Iran.If she was a yankee chick nobody for they suspect any spy thing o.Secret agent ko....public agent ni.

Hahaha no mind them. For their mind some Nigerians think there country is so important in the overall scheme of things that foreign powers are conspiring to get some crucial intelligence on them as if Na some cold war thriller movie we dey watch hahaha

RaeMystix:
Although I was informed, but u can also google it if you want proof.

Didn't see anything about her on Google.

Duru1:
Bros mentally of the people makes great differences in socio-politico-economic advancement. Africans do not think but feel. It is inherent and shows on African continent.

But that is victim blaming now.

Nigeria's problem is leadership. Leadership goes a very long way in fixing a lot of things.

How do you go round a country of over 180 million people and tell them individually to change their mentality or their nature? Do you sit down with each and everyone of them and tell them to change their ways or you simply go to the top and change the economic policies that have bound the people for decades allowing them not to flourish. How about changing the political system that encourages patronage like the concept of federal allocation?

longman83:
Interesting thread.

Lee Kuan Yew in his book From Third World to First mentioned at the start of this thread, recounts encounters with African leaders, including those that occurred during a Commonwealth conference hosted in Lagos in early January 1966. Perhaps we can find therein a few clues to our predicament - from his perspective, at least:

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Yew, From Third World to First, Harper-Collins, pp 352.


Further on, he makes some controversial statements reflecting on the conference:
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pp 357, From Third World to First.

Interesting excerpt.

bellras:
you will do well bro by telling us why?
Abraham Einstein is the brain behind most of your physics theories. Google it for more info

Abraham or Albert??

Which New York is that you lived in where all Italians are Mobsters and Jews have "an acumen for accounting and business" LOL, talk about stereotyping and bigotry. Yet you constantly flash the race and victim card at will. The Nigerian Al Sharpton, you really are a class act.

Abi o.

9jaganja:
it takes lots and lots of brain storming, dedication and funding. That is why Nigeria need think tanks sooo baaaadd!!

You can say that again.

logica:
Which was exactly what our own visionary leaders were doing in the 60s as we got off the starting block. They had to embrace socialist ideas as that was the only way to propel us forward. The American type capitalism in our budding years would have been a setback as quite a few would have gotten extremely rich while the rest wallow in poverty. There was need to uniform development. That was the idea behind the "Free Education" policy of Western Nigeria. We are still reaping the benefits of that policy till this day. But they were labelled Communists by the CIA and the rest of the West and "quarantined".

Now imagine countries where there is synergy, and no tribal sentiments. Imagine Awolowo was the leader of an Odua Republic. I doubt he could be framed for treason, especially since he would be the unquestionable leader. The people will follow him knowing all he does is for our collective good. But in Nigeria you had forces like the Sardauna as an ally of the Brits. Awolowo's political career and Nigeria were already bo.o.by-trapped from the start. A house divided is already fallen. And if by any chance Awolowo was killed, there would be a long list of his disciples to continue his vision. Continuity. Knowing this, foreign meddlers like the CIA would have simply become spectators since their strategies would have been ineffective. A great leader without synergy can never realize very much, and yes we had great leaders.

You cannot just skip to the middle of a movie without watching it from the beginning to get a good grasp. Making reference to our "collective greed" is exactly that. That came much later, after the decades of sabotage. We started well, but were pulled down. All we have to do is get up and continue the race.

Wow! You are defending communism?? Communism was an epic failure. Go read about Chairman Mao's many economic failures like the Great Leap Forward before you continue talking.

Nija4Life:
Again, we need to learn to walk before we can run. Our system of education is yet to adopt and promote the concept of independent learning. Let us first master that, and then we will worry about the small matter of extension. Once again let me point to the fact that what Sugata Mitra did was a controlled experiment and in educational research you don’t make generalisations with a small sample. Even with a large sample, you need to be careful how you generalise.

How could you say it is a better model when you are yet to mention one nation that has successfully used it? Interestingly also, how do you measure success? Like I mentioned in one of my previous post, educational success is measured by outcome and some of the nations that are still using the current system are successful nations i.e. Singapore, Malaysia, and Japan etc.Finland has arguably the best educational system in the world but they do not use this model that you are advocating.



The role of educators is to guide and advise young people, in collaboration with parents about what is best for their children. Educators can attract students to their courses but for the right reasons so we don’t end up reducing a fine and noble profession to just marketers. It should be based on interest and ability of the students and not for bumping up numbers. I speak from experience and training as an educational professional myself.
Do also remember students only start making choices at the end of junior secondary and end of senior secondary school. What happens in primary and junior secondary schools where students do the same subjects, does your theory of ‘attraction’ still hold sway?


Teaching is not marketing I’m afraid where professionals should be judged by the ability to attract students. Teachers are judged by their ability to support, guide and develop young people to make both academic progress and improve on their social skills.
There will always be the odd one or two incompetent teachers like you have in any profession anyway. But when there are too many of them then you have to question the teacher education and training program that produced them in the first place. Please read my education blog, I have written some articles where this is addressed in more depth: http://www.hilonah-educationthatworksfornigeria..com/




Let’s not innovate for the sake of innovation. We need to adopt a system that has proved successful to many nations which we could adapt to suit our own peculiar needs and environment. It will be very naive to go for a system that is yet to be tried and tested in any country. You are yet to address how this will work in practice. In education you need the theory to inform the practice but also need the practice to inform the theory.

What if we adopt the British system completely for benchmarking and then make minor tweaks to make it serve our societal needs that way we can know if we are falling behind or not.
Too bad that national pride won't let us do any of the above.

logica:
You have been the eternally indolent one who started off with the silly "all Somalia is one 'tribe' talk. And you strike again.

What dodgy aid are you referring to? Will any sensible person give out aid if he knew it was all like throwing water in a basket, or maybe it's nothing compared to what they gain by continuing to ensure Africa never stands up especially when you know it all ends up in the wrong hands and is never used for development? Was that how they disbursed aid to Europe? Their "aid" is nothing but payouts to their cronies for their cooperation. No more.

Again reaching out to the Lumumba example,  which would have benefited Congo more for instance - their poisoned chalice aka aid or the nationalization of the mines as he intended, which got them scared shitless? They very well know the aid they throw in the direction of Africa is of no use and they are perfectly satisfied it is as it is. So if for instance you were my guardian, and I have come of age, and I tell you I want to work and earn a living; it makes sense for you to rather give out some money to a dubious uncle to dash me as stipends than allow me to find a job and be useful so that I can sustain myself, and fully knowing the nature of that uncle of mine since you (the guardian) had used the dubious uncle on occasion for your dirty work (who also happens to be a thief and supplies you with a steady stream of stolen goods)? Will I not starve to death?

And of course they org.asm on how well it works out when self-loathers like you say "Oh they gave us aid and we can't do anything with it. we are useless."

Haha chei! See logic. When has nationalization ever worked? Please tell me, I will be waiting.

Igbanibo:
First and foremost, Nigeria is ruled by Oligarchs, and it in the atmosphere of confusion and bad governance that they make their money.  If everything is running the way it should, there will be no money for them. 
Follow up to that is that power in Nigeria is disseminated to the masses, so there is no way for them to have their voices heard.  Again, power is held by Oligarch (ruling class), and they buy the votes, or decide on whom they want to be in power. 
Finally, international special interest groups from countries to cartels can and do influence the oligarchs through bribery, blackmail to do their bidding.  Why dont we have power?  Well, if we had constant electricity supply, what would happen to the people in the generator business?

My fix to address this problem is to empower the working people, focus on education, and do a better job of inculcating the ruling class.

Two instances that I will point out are the Murtala regime, and Buhari/Idiagbon. These were two leaders who were non compliant, and hell bent on achieving their political/nationalistic goals, hence they were overthrown by outside forces allied with the Oligarchs. Unfortunately, at the present and for the last umpteen years, Nigerian leaders tend to do a lot of mago mago, wuruwuru to get into power, therefore, they are very blackmailable, and have to cut their lackeys and political godfathers a piece of the action. It prevents them from being incorruptable.

Bros, you are sooooo wrong on so many levels.

nolongTing:
lets this be a starting point http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bretton_Woods_system



I think you need to apply some logic to your thinking it seems like a cry for help.  I hope you know that Africa has endured the biggeest crime against umanity - 480 years of slavery plus colonialism, with no compensation.



The map of Africa was drawn without their consent, its incorrect and the only way to correct it is WAR, why because the colonialists are EVIL geniuses, they have given certain groups right and priviledges they will not give up without a fight, for example the North of nigeria and oil, south sudan and north sudan, eastern libya and western libya etc - Africa was treated as a big natural resources cake. 

Most Africans want peace and try to tolerate and live with one another and the result is development at a snails pace.



Its silly to say they are silly, [size=15pt]western education cannot be easily applied to African problems, why? Because it based on European culture![/size]

Most Africans educated in the west with good jobs would have to take a 2000% + pay cut, to work in an environment struggling to mimic the one they have become acustomed to.

Oh great! Another conspiracy theorist. Blame oyinbos for everything as usual.

logica:
You forgot to mention how all those crumbled societies were provided funds to rebuild (or were the funds for rebuilding conjured out of non-existent trade?); the equivalent of which would be to pay all the African countries back for the centuries of looting.

With all the aid that the European countries have given Africa, what good has that accomplished sir?

Nija4Life:
Spot on.

All modern education places a huge emphasis on the language of communication.
There are many untapped intelligent young people in Nigeria but we have failed to differentiate learning according to their needs.
There was this guy I was teaching the concept of operating system during my days back in university and despite using very simple language in English, he didn't have a clue what I was on about. But when I explained the same thing in Igbo, he grasped it very easily. That really opened my eyes to how powerful the language of communication could be to effectve learning

Wow! Excellent point. You can't educate without communicating. That's why Nigerians who mock people who learn in their native language are just ignorant as far as I am concerned.

Nija4Life:
We need to learn to walk before we can run. If we achieve anything near the Prussian education you alluded to then we would have made a quantum leap in progress.

The success of any educational system is measured in terms of outcome. Japan and USA, two countries mentioned in the link you posted are highly successful nations. Nothing can be more modern than modern itself I’m afraid. We are million miles behind the so called Prussian system. Our best bet is to strive to develop a modern educational system and then we will worry about the next steps.

To set the records straight, in modern education, there is something called Assessment for Learning, where the students are at the very heart of the teaching and learning process. At least, I can equivocally state that I teach in a modern educational system where students are not forced to sit and listen to some adult talk at them from a board neither does it fail to take into account students with different learning styles.

Where exactly do you teach?

yeswecan:
LOOOOOOOOOOOOL. good point though

The guy is sooooooooooo wrong on so many levels it's not even funny. The truth of the matter is that human nature is pretty much the same everywhere so blaming a continents woes on the mentality of the people is a jaundiced view at best. The truth of the matter is that leadership matters! Systems also do matter! No matter how good or bad your constituents are, if you don't enact good policies and a robust political and economic systems things will fail.

logica:
So you expect all the loot of centuries to disappear in a twinkle? The richest countries in the world (apart from Switzerland. . .well. . . Switzerland benefited indirectly) have their foundation on all the loot from conquered, or should we say "colonized" nations. All of that won't vamoose suddenly. Nigeria was without a president for several months; what was affected? That just goes to show that a government might not be so useful after all.

ALL of the European ethnic groups have had series of wars lasting ages even before Jesus was born, and still had one ending just in 1945 so they should have developed mutual respect for one another, and understanding. You've had Saxons, Gauls (Francs et cetera), Vandals and Huns all who were interestingly collectively referred to as Barbarians by the Romans. They were all a savage marauding group and they were so destructive that they brought the "Dark Ages" with them, to the point that were it not for the Arab scholars most of the Philosophy of the Greeks and Romans would have vanished. Yet these are the same people we refer to as "The Civilized World" today in countries like Germany (Saxons and Vandals), France (Gauls), et cetera. So what does this have to do with IQ? If anything it is all about brutality.

But being of the same "tribe" does not necessary result in synergy. And various "tribes" can achieve that synergy over a long time as they develop understanding and respect for one another just as the Barbarians did.

But how do you explain the success of Taiwan and Malaysia?

And at some point we should ask ourselves, whether it is due to genetic or other factors,if our IQ lower than other races? I mean, are we living in an Idiocracy?

I say this, not because of the hardships most Africans face; as i have highlighted previously, other races have undergone worse problems.

It's just that, uniquely among other human beings, we utterly refuse to do anything about our predicament. We are unable or unwilling to do so. And come to think of it, most leaders in Africa are elected, its a poor reflection of the voters in general.

Why are there so few African Lee Kwan Yeuw, Artuturk, Deng Xiaoping, David Ben-Gurion, [b]Vladimir Putin, [/b]Sir Seretse Khama, Fashola? Why are so few of them elected into office? The elite in Africa, even those with an Ivy League education are incredibly stupid.

Is the IQ of Africans  lower? (I am not supposing anything, it's a question that I am throwing out there),

Please don't put Vladimir Putin with those people abeg.