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trust me, education in nigeria is useless and absolutely worthless. You wouldn't know until you come over here.

it still makes me laugh.

I don laugh die for this story, everybody dey die of laughter for this office now. Do you blame her? Ulalaaaaaaaaaaaaah western hospitals are expensive and she'll be thinking that if she wanted a Nigerian doctor to help her, the price should be in naira. Laugh my ass off.

On a more serious note for you guys that stay abroad, patronize each other. it's very healthy for economic growth.

That sounds funny until you come to yanki, then you would realize how extremely painful that is. Some Akata's even do it to themselves.

I maybe yoruba, but give me any state in Nigeria, no matter how poor it is and i would transform it into Taiwan or Singapore in just 16 years, i promise.

if he can do better than those guys in office, then fine.

in english pleeeeeeeeease!!!

WHAT IS HE SAYING?

Trust Nigerian politicians, they will adjust effectively.  They will coin another phrase or create another office for "her excellency"
In fact the govt  will regret bringing out this directive.

Oh yes i think they already do , its called ministry of women affairs. 

THE IMPORTANCE OF THE OFFICE OF DE 1ST LADY CANNOT BE OVER EMPHERSIES.APART 4RM CHARITY SERVICES THEY CONTRIBUTE TO STATE DEVELOPMENT.

Are you serious this is not yanki we are talking about but Nigeria. What charity work did they ever do? Better life for women (probably the greatest scam in Nigeria's political history)?

@A-40

I warned you before hand that that dude was into witchcraft or how else do you explain how he was not sacked?

Who knows probably that's the juju they did for Ronaldo the day of the game before the France '98 finals. Remember that Ronaldo immediately fell very sick suddenly the night before the game and was said to be convulsing and having seizures. Then during the game, the guy was just subdued from start to finish.

i believe that free health care should be a fundamental human right.

@A-40

Are you a media man?

No my man.

I also forgot that there universities are cheaper in some cases as compared to schools in the west.

actually, in hindsight and comparing to the recent elections we have had, the man is absolutely right his elections were more credible compared to the nonsense we have now but unfortunately, at the end of the day, he annulled it. boy oh boy, it seems that there is an evil spirit controlling things in that country, that's the only way to describe it.

to this day but I sort of recent my dad for not caring enough to at least try to discipline us in some way, when we did wrong

You are soooooooo on point kobojunkie jare, my mom stopped flogging us when we became teenagers and i kind of resent it today. As for that 4play guy, he is being stuck in the west for too long, don't worry, when him and the other guys against flogging start having kids, then they would realize that it is inevitable.

@siena

You're confusing 2 seperate things here!
Corrective smacking because a child's been naughty?
Or corrective beating, because a child failed a test?

One thing's for certain - if a child does not take in lessons, and fails / does badly in school, beating does not make that child learn better, or faster.
It merely makes the child frightened to try.
There's a big difference between a child who doesn't excel in classwork, because he / she's lazy, and another child that does badly, because he / she just isn't cut out for the same work.

Not all children are academic types, and if that's the case, beating the child within an inch of his / her life will make absolutely no difference.
You can't beat education into a child's head, if they are incapable of learning.
A lot of great people today never saw the walls of a school, beyond primary education, but they still achieved something, made good of their lives.

Some children are dyslexic, have you considered that?
Do you think teachers in Nigeria can tell the difference?
Where does a teacher draw the line, between smacking a child, and beating them?
There is a big difference - I have seen children beaten, to the point the skin is broken / split.
And you reckon these children are keen to return to school the following day?

You mentioned respect, and that's a valid point.
Children should respect their teachers and parents / elders because they've been taught to do so, not because they've been beaten.
Having fear for their teachers is very different from having respect, again, please don't confuse the 2.

It's the teacher / tutor's duty to educate the children, and round off the respect part, which the children should have been taught at home, by their parents.
Respect should come from home, if a child is disrespectful, then they're products of their own upbringing.

As for Asians, how very different is their upbringing, in terms of their parents teaching them respect, from in the African society?

Sure, British and American kids can be rude, but how well has the beating Africa children served them?
Just because they appear not to be rude, does not mean they're not lacking in other areas, due to teacher-child trauma.
Disrespect is visual / perceptive, so we tend to focus more on these - one doesn't need special training to realise a child is rude.

A child that has suffered beatings at the hands of a bullying teacher / tutor may appear respectful, but can be mentally damaged, the signs of which may not be immediately apparent, maybe not till they even have their own children.

A mentally damaged child is more of an issue than a rude one, typically such young adults may be withdrawn, and unable to relate to authority in later life.
It's also not uncommon for a child to become "hardened" by beating, and just accept it as the inevitable - at this point, he / she is virtually immune to even the mildest form of correction.

As far as they see it, especially boys, if they misbehave / rebel, what's the most they'll get?
A beating. But, they've had all that, what else is there for them to fear?

Nothing.

I guess folk will decide how best they want their kids to be dealt with at school, they may condone them being beaten by their teachers.

As for myself, it isn't happening. No teacher is going to beat my kids!
It's my duty as a parent to teach my children respect, and take an interest in their school work.
If there are any early learning signs, it's also my duty to find it, and deal with it the best way I can.

And if I was a teacher, there's no way I'd lay the cane on someone else's child.
I'm there to educate, and if the child won't / can't receive, then there could be other issues, which are not for me to deal with.

That's what the parents are there for, and that's what children's reports are for - for the parents to know where their kids are at, in terms of academics.

Boy, oh boy i can't believe how westernized you are. I think you are one of those rich kids wo where pampered at home and was never touched. Infact , i am guessing you had a chaffeur (or driver as we called it) who came to pick you from school everyday of the week with a different car, then he drove you to your mansion surrounded by fences as high as the wall of Jericho.

Either way, i know some american teachers here who wish they could go back to the days of old where flogging was allowed because the kids of today are waaaaaaaay much difficult to handle.

@disguy

so with all the caning why are there so many rogues and cultism in universities or were those the kids that didn't get caned? lets stop deceiving ourselves, there are other forms of discipline not leaving teacher who have not been paid for three months to 'discipline' children.

That has more to do with economics and less of flogging.

Yes, i agree, there should definitely be a limit on how teachers flog but the reason why i can see from both sides is that i went to schools were they flog and were flogging was prohibited and there was a huge contrast in the level of indiscipline in both schools. There were kids misbehaving in class, making noise and just being a nuisance in class. Personally, i believe that students should only be flogged for misbehaving in class and not because they don't understand the academic content.

There should be free healthcare for all nigerians especially in the rural areas, just like a lot of European countries do (especially the scandinavians and other northern europeans). Nigeria has one of the highest infant mortality rates in the world (those were supposed to be our future Bill Gates, Isaac Newton's, Albert Einstein).

Mozambique drastically cut there infant mortality rates by training high school graduates and nurses for 4 years to perform surgeries. This was a very innovative new program that the W.H.O marvelled at and recommended to other developing nations. http://www.pbs.org/wnet/wideangle/episodes/birth-of-a-surgeon/introduction/747/

In Nigeria, human beings are dying from absolutely curable diseases despite the fact that all it takes to even open a world class medical school is just $120 million dollars (20 mill. for the faculty and 100 mill. for the medical centre and facilities). Unfortunately, state govts are embezzling more than that a year, My friend almost died from malaria some years ago but thanks be to God that she is still alive. Sadly, not a lot of people are not as lucky as she is. So my question is how on earth should humans  be dying from malaria or tuberculosis or even contracting polio in the freakin' 21st century.

My fellow nigerians what is your take on this topic.

@mr. olaolu
the sad reality of the matter is that athletes have always been misbehaving since they were being paid handsome salaries. Before the 60's, where football players where working part time (some were even working as chimney sweeps or doing construction work) because there wages were not enough, you might not have had of stories like this but this is the 21st century and mordern mgmt methods have to simply adapt. Of course, we would all love our athletes to be as good as choir boys and be humble model citizens but its not like that. The mordern day athlete (in every sport and not only football)  can be a prima-donna, greedy, spoilt and pampered but at the end of the day, we need them to perform on the field, that's what management is about. That's why Arsene Wenger studied psychology before coaching and that's why the premier league requires that all coaches should get a UEFA Pro License if they want to coach, because whether you like it or not, money changes people. Heck, John Terry almost beat up Avram Grant (they had to be seperated during training) before the Carling Cup final last year because the man did not reveal the starting line-up before the game. Would he have done that when he was just an 18 year old boy under Ranieri? i don't think so.

Another key aspect of coaching is recognizing that not all fingers are equal, John Terry is more important to Chelsea than Alex is or Fabregas is more important to chelsea than Denilson or Diaby. Even if this players misbehave by floundering team rules before a crucial encounter, as unfortunate as it sounds, team mgmt would still play them because they are very important to the success of the team. Ottmar Hitzfeld found out the wrong way last season when Martin Demichelis insulted him and he decided to seat him, you know what happened? yes, they lost at stuttgart who attacked through Demichelis vacated position and that almost cost them the bundesliga, you know what Hitzfeld did the next game? he played Demichelis and even apologized to him (can you imagine? ) that for you is called management, throwing away your own ego and persuading your spoilt athletes to come together to win because whether you like it or not, the chairman or the shareholders of the club do not care about your feelings all they care is about winning because winning brings a lot of money to the club. Now there are some extreme cases were you have extremely divisive players that have to be kicked out like Eto'o at Barcelona, Roy Keane before world cup '02, Mido before AFCON but the other situations can be worked out. That's why i am saying that its not too late for siasia to throw his ego aside and bring in mikel. I remember when Capello dropped beckham from his squad because beckham simply signed a mega contract with another team. When madrid started loosing left and right, the man swallowed his pride and brought Beckham back and the man single handedly won la liga for them that year (of course Barca's legendary collapse that year also helped), now my good friend that is what management is about not treating millionaire adult athletes like primary school pupils.

@adamsy07

"WAS OKOCH A WORLD CLASS OR NOT"

Nope, i don't think so, being the greatest dribbler in the world does not make you a world class player it simply makes you an entertaining player. Agreed the man had insane talent and was really good player but at the end of the day he was not a complete player, as a no. 10 he didn't have the vision of Zidane, the goal scoring touch of Rivaldo,  and the mental toughness or the ability to carry his teammates on his back and will them to win like Roberto Baggio. If you ask me what player i want as my central midfielder when the chips are down and time is running out; i would pick the great Rivaldo. The game was never over with that man on the pitch, beside the fact that he had a devastating left foot, the man was capable of magic, pure magic. I would give you an instance, go and watch Brazil vs. Belgium in the '02 World cup. Belgium had clearly dominated that game and despite missing a lot of chances, they still clearly looked like a threat to score, then Rivaldo from nowhere did what i had never seen in my life, scoring a marvellous goal against the run of play (go check it on youtube).
Another instance, was the last day of the season and Valencia and Barcelona were fighting for 4th place to qualify for the champs league, the game was tied at the 90th minute (which was all valencia needed) then out of nowhere Rivaldo scored from what we nigerians refer to as "shangalo"; the best overhead kick i had ever seen like it was a beach soccer game and that goal ended the match. If there was one word i could use for the man, it was clutch (ability to deliever in tight situations). The man simply knew how to get it done, now that's world class.
Okocha on the other hand did not even have the stamina to play a full 90 minutes match earlier in his career and that's why they used to bring in siasia for him, don't get me wrong, as a nigerian, i love both of these players any day any time. But i am trying to be objective here, there is a difference between a circus freak and a world class player. A world class player, especially a midfielder is supposed to be complete in all aspects of the game. Heck, Okocha couldn't score from a free-kick until the twilight of his career at Bolton and C. Ronaldo can do it consistently at 23. The great Zizou could dribble but he dribbled only when he only had to. He dribbled to create space and seperation from defenders or he did it to raise the morale of the troops and most importantly, he did it when he was in a tight spot and there was nobody to pass the ball to, that right there is maturity and that's what Sir Alex is trying to teach C. Ronaldo instead of unnecessary showboating. I want a midfielder who is always on the lookout for the open man to thread through that crucial through pass like Fabregas. If you understand this concept, only then would you understand why Real madrid is willing to sell Robinho to get Cristiano Ronaldo  (who is nowhere as naturally talented as Robinho), why? because C. Ronaldo  is a complete player compared to Robinho and of course, he scores a lot more goals. Robinho can dribble 5 defenders but the question mark on his game is that his game isn't mature and he doesn't score a lot of goals. C. Ronaldo is a winger who scored 42 goals in 49 games or less, while Robinho who is a striker scored just 11 goals. Enough said.

thank you mr. man, the only problem i have is why is it that humans look at race or skin color instead of looking at every human being as unique? why do i have in common with the guy dealing drugs on the street corner? nothing, but since he has the same skin color as me, then everybody immediately thinks i am a bad guy.

The only reason why Asian schools might not be ranked higher than the Harvard's and the MIT's is because they might not have billions of dollars to spend on doing abstract research on the Black hole or the Kuiper's belt but make no mistake about it, the best students in the MIT's, the Harvard's, Berkeley's and the Caltech's, at least 81% of them are asian in some estimates. As for those of you who think they did rather study in naija or Ghana if they can't get a visa to yanki or England, you are just wasting your time because Asian universities are waaaaaaaaaaaaay better than the ones in Ghana and at home so throw away your ignorance and try to broaden your horizon. 


So for anybody who might consider studying in Asia here are a list of excellent schools in Asia that speak English and are cheap.

National University of Singapore (NUS)  http://www.nus.edu.sg/
University of Hong Kong  http://www.hku.hk/
King Abdullah University of Science and Technology (KAUST)  http://www.kaust.edu.sa/
Indian Institute of Technology (there are several of them) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Institutes_of_Technology
Abu Dhabi University  http://www.adu.ac.ae/
Hong Kong University of Science & Technology  http://www.ust.hk/eng/index.htm
Hebrew University  http://www.huji.ac.il/huji/eng/index_e.htm
Technion Israel institute of Technology  http://www.technion.ac.il/
Weizmann institute of Science  http://www.weizmann.ac.il/
Tel Aviv University  http://www.tau.ac.il/
Ben Gurion University  http://web.bgu.ac.il/home
Indian institute of science  http://www.iisc.ernet.in/
National Taiwan University  http://www.ntu.edu.tw/eng2007/
Delhi University http://www.du.ac.in/

here are some other english speaking schools in malaysia

INTI College
http://www.intimal.edu.my/Academicnew/te,
Stamford college
http://www.stamford.edu.my/
Sunway University College
http://www.sunway.edu.my/
Nilai International University College
http://www.nilai.edu.my/
Taylor's University College Malaysia
http://www.taylors.edu.my/
Hope those links help you.


So my brothers if una no dey fear and una think say una sabi book, make una try compete with this students if them no go spank una.

Here in the USA, Asian students dominate hands down from the Caltech's to the MIT's. In MIT, iI even heard that Americans are only 18% of the graduate students. This guys seem to be breathtaking, in fact, the ones that come to the USA are the ones that couldn't get into the elite colleges back home like Indian Institute of Technology or Beijing University.

They have an amazing school system (especially Singapore) so i wonder why is it that Nigerian students go to Ghana, south Africa, England, or some 3rd or 4th tier school in USA for college rather than study in Asia (some of their universities speak English) where they don't pay quite as much. Also, for those that didn't know, Israeli engineers are probably the best in the world, yes, even better than the Japanese.

My fellow Naija people, what do you think?

It made me a much better person.


@siena

He paid the ultimate price later on, when he least expected to.
My children will not be beaten by any teacher, unless that teacher is prepared to pay dearly.

Yep, keep decieving yourself, when Nigeria kids become as useless as the british kids or the american kids then you would understand. Go to an American high school and see how extremely disrespectful kids are, then you will know what i am talking about.
Asians, on the other hand, know how to discipline there students and it works wonders for them. Morale of the story is another man's cake is another man's poison, realizing this is wisdom. Its not the right thing to imitate other people's livestyles or you would pay for it.

@nigeria1,

The word of God says my people perish because of lack of wisdom. I notice you people lack wisdom. Do you know How many redeemed church in the USA. Answer 300 churches. Do you know there are 10,000 churches in the redeemed. When I join redeemed, we know the churches. But vision took redeemed to over 300 in the USA and over 10,000 churches. When I say creation more state. I mean create more state. It look foolish to man, but to God it makes sense.

Are you serious i am going to pretend that i didn't hear all that. Reedeem church of God is A FRANCHISE AND NOT A STATE!!!!. In fact, some of the churches are mostly independent from the main church, anybody can start a reedeem anywhere. Geez, what's the matter with you boy? by the way, how could a country just the size of texas have 36 states? what for? i know we shouldn't be discussing texas here but how could you be creating more states, when the ones we have are not even FREAKING WORKING!!!. Everybody is embezzling left, right and center and you are talking about creating new states, geez (what is wrong with this country?).

@skyblue

At the end of the day when you create all these states are they going to generate their own revenue or would it just be an extra mouth to feed and extra baggage for oil derivation to handle??

Thanks madam skyblue, i can't explain what's going on with the country anymore? it seems as if the politicians have very looooooooooow IQ, unbelievable

@larry007

its not a must we win the tournament

Of course, this is what you expect from  a mediocre country, that "at least they tried" attitude. Every tournament is a MUST WIN.

@adamsy

AM SURE YOU DON'T KNOW WAT You ARE SAYING IF A PLAYER PLAYS IN BELGIUM,AUSTRALIA,SAUDI ARABIA IN THOSE DAYS YOU THINK IS NOT A WORLD CLASS PLAYER,
ANYWAY I DON'T BLAME YOU ATALL,

There is a difference between a good or a decent player and a world class player. All i am saying is that let's not throw the name world class around any how. Fernando Torres is world class, Cristiano Ronaldo is world class, Francesc Fabregas is world class, Wayne Rooney is NOT world class. Siasia was not even a starter in the national team, it was Okocha who was the starter. The guy was a good player but he was no Christian Vieri, no Ronaldo (in his prime), no Rivaldo, no Dennis Bergkamp, and definitely no Roberto Baggio, so what are we talking about?

thanks my bros, how do you keep hiring more workers when you are in clear need of downsizing. You have a company that is very large and over bloated instead of drastically cutting down spending so you can have a lean, mean and efficient organization, instead you have a bunch of incompetent (trust me i am trying to mince my words) people running the country.

you're right, i still can't watch "wili wili".

please we don't need a leader, we are nigerians and we have a president. End of story.

I thought blatter was the worst administrator in world football, but it seems that monsieur platini is competing with this guy over that position and who gets there name more in the media.

There should be free healthcare for all nigerians especially in the rural areas, just like a lot of European countries do. Nigeria has one of the highest infant mortality rates in the world (those were supposed to be our future Bill Gates, Isaac Newton's, Albert Einstein).

Mozambique drastically cut there infant mortality rates by training high school graduates and nurses for 4 years to perform surgeries. This was a very innovative new program that the W.H.O marvelled at and recommended to other developing nations. http://www.pbs.org/wnet/wideangle/episodes/birth-of-a-surgeon/introduction/747/

In Nigeria, human beings are dying from absolutely curable diseases despite the fact that all it takes to even open a world class medical school is just $120 million dollars (20 mill. for the faculty and 100 mill. for the medical centre and facilities). Unfortunately, state govts are embezzling more than that a year. How on earth should humans be dying from malaria or tuberculosis or even contracting polio in the freakin' 21st century.

My fellow nigerians what is your take on this topic.

My fellow nigerians, this is an amazing video if you watch it to the end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQ-mvRpLzT0&feature=related

My goodness what is wrong with this USELESS EXTREMELY STUPID COUNTRY. I read of other countries in asia rapidly developing and industrializing within 40, 30, 20 years (and they have no viable natural resources) and here we are creating more states. That means that we have more governors, deputy governors, senators, house of representatives, LGA chairman, permanent secetary, and ministers to pay, thereby reducing Nigeria's GNP past 60%. Wonderful

Why not just merge the country into 6 different regions, that means there is less govs, dep. govs et. al to pay and of course less godfathers to bribe, then we can focus on creating world class free public education for our kids and a free health care system for all our citizens like most developed countries have. But Nigeria being Nigeria, this will never happen, they would just keep on creating more and more new states and new ministries like the ministry of special duties    .