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noetic15:
what difference would my experiences make to u?

1. Mark 10:18
In the above verse Christ was addressing a random member of the multitude who came to ask a question. I say this because in mark 8:27-30 Jesus addressed another audience. This time the audience was the chosen few, who were privileged to be His disciples. He revealed His true identity to them here. The only time Jesus ever publicly revealed His true identity to a multitude, He was almost stoned to death John 8:58.
So when Jesus said in the above verse that only God is Good. . . . I believe that from my primordial post where I defined who God is. . . . .u now know who the God, Jesus was refering to is.

2. 1 timothy 2:5
your assertion with regards to this verse is best described as ignorance (no pun intended).
let us read what was said in verse 3 of the same chapter "For this good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour"
Paul calls God our saviour . . . . . . . Jesus died on the cross and resurrected,  . , He is as such the basis of SALVATION, He is the SAVIOUR.
So when Paul talks of a God, who offers salvation. . .he is refering to the saviour. . . .we all know who that is.

in analysing verse 5. . . Jesus is called a mediator. This is interesting.
I will use the holy spirit analogy in my primordial post to describe Jesus. remember I said that the holy spirit is the manifestation of God's power as evidenced at the point of creation and in the affairs of men. the holy spirit is not a person or spirit neither is he a being. . . . but is the direct manifestation of God's power and influence.
So when a person has the gifts of the spirit or manifests the fruits of the spirit, he is simply manifesting the God-like nature of a spirit filled God. God is a spirit and the Holy spirit is a manifestation of His power. The same applies to Jesus. If u read the bible, all of the ontological attributes of God belong to Jesus, this simply implies that Jesus is simply the physical manifestation of God, just like the holy spirit is the manifestation of God's power. . that explicably illustrates the divinity of Jesus. The bible attests to this in Acts 4:12. . . .refering to a salvation bearing name and 1 timothy2:3 calls the bearer of that salvation name GOD.

3. John 14:28

This verse has been cited by several people to assert that Jesus is not God or that He is inferior to God. My response has usually been that "Is God definite to be absent from heaven when present on earth" ?,  . . . ,

. .  . . . .more analysis to follow brb

The most spectacular of all his prayers, for me, is the statement in Gethsemane – “Nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt”

This statement shows something cardinal: if Jesus were God, as you lot like to claim, his will, and the will of the Father would be absolutely inseparable! This prayer shows clearly that the Father’s will could be different from Jesus’ will, when he says – “not as I will, but as thou wilt”. For me this is the most damning verse against the idea that Jesus is himself God. Because it shows a clear dichotomy of WILL between the father and the so called “son.” But I expect that in your usual fashion you will disregard Jesus’ own words in favour of your dogma.

In defending this, don’t you even dare bring up the lame line that it was his “human fear” that was speaking. Even mere mortals have shown great courage at the point of execution, or in battle, and you want to convince me that ALMIGHTY GOD, in human form, was not capable of stout hearted courage (especially when he was divine, and knew the purpose of his mission on the cross, and how sacred it was). Mere men have laid down their lives for their countries, happily and without asking for the cup to be removed from them. Gallantly! Now GOD himself, in human form, is not capable of such courage, to save his creatures?

noetic15:
I addressed your first two verses and was on the third. . . . . .did u not see it?

Pastor AIO:
Perfection

Perfection can only be used in reference to a function.

A thing with a function is usually a created thing.

Unless God is a created being he cannot be 'perfect'.

If a make a knife for cutting cheese, it may or may not fulfill the function perfectly. If it fulfills the function perfectly then it is a perfect cheese knife. However it may not be a very good knife for chopping wood. Things are only perfect with regard to a certain function.

Could God be a perfect murderer? Or a perfect Assassin? There are those that are trained for the purpose of assasinating others. They may achieve various degrees of perfection in their training. Could God be a perfect sinner?

I do not like God being described as perfect.

noetic15:
Once I began to give analyses of the verses, .u took to your heels. . . .

dgreatrock:
, and who is winning in this battle

Krayola:
Why can't a perfect being create something imperfect?

what is "perfect"?

If you believe God is beyond comprehension, why label him, thus limiting him?

Why do we think "perfection" can only be "good'?

Deep Sight:
Finally i may approach it from the concept of duality: light and dark; postive and negative; good and evil. . . If the proposition of duality is held to be true, then perfection only exists in balance, and accordingly elements such as change, imperfection, defects. . . are natural reverses of immutability, perfection and non-defects. . . and holistic perfection can only exist in such balance! Note that i indicated that the supposed "imperfections" which we see are really hallmarks of balance. Many examples can be cited of seemingly evil or disastrous things which are in reality checks and balances for a perfect ecosystem.

noetic15:
thou hypocrite. I did not translate any of the versions from theor original texts as such I have no explanation.

why did thou run away from the David interview thread. . .was thou scared?

Nezan:
abuzola has destroyed the religious section.

noetic15:
your diagram is not self-explanatory . . . . .how about some additional notes/analyses?

davidylan:
point taken.

justcool:
@ Deep Sight and Pastor AIO

I enjoy you guy's posts. You guys are refreshing! Wonderful exchange of views.

@ Deep Sight
I enjoyed your last post. It really nice. Since you are familiar with the Grail Message, I presume you can easily answer the following questions.

I presume that by therm universe, you mean all the objects, stars, planets and phenomena throughout space; the cosmos; macrocosm. Thus everything in the physical world. Now my question is this:

1) Is the universe a direct creation of God? Or did God create the universe himself?

You are right that God is perfect and perfection precludes changeability; you said "God cannot do unbalanced or imperfect things." Thus you are saying that God cannot create imperfect things, and you are very correct.
Pastor AIO is equally right by demanding that the work of God, the universe should be perfect. He deduced this by following your argument.


But the dilemma is that the universe, arguably is not perfect. Also, we humans on earth, who are supposed to be works of God are definitely and surely not perfect.

Following your argument that God is perfect(which is correct) one will only arrive at the conclusion that Pastor AIO arrived: "Therefore God did not create the universe." Although Pastor AIO may have arrived at this conclusion lightheartedly and for the sake of showing your that your reasoning is flawed; but there is definitely more to this question.


So how do we justify this notion that God is perfect and so are everything that issues from Him? Perhaps the solution lies in the answer to my earlier question. Thus I will repeat this question.

1) Is the universe a direct creation of God? Or did God create the universe himself?

Or

Is the universe and everything in it(including we humans) actually created by God?

I wait your answer.

(This is why great passion feels to us like heat in our chest, and emotionlessness is described as "cold"

Pastor AIO:
Let me try to follow your line of reasoning. God is unchanging and herein lies his perfection.

The universe is changing, evolving in time.

Hence the Universe is imperfect.

God cannot do imperfect things.

Therefore God did not create the universe.

Pastor AIO:
What is the criteria for Perfection?

In what attributes can we say God is Perfect?

Pastor AIO:
What is the criteria by which we deem an event to be Good or Bad?

KenTimos:
Most women are deadly.Think straight.

Pastor AIO:
Olabowale, being genetically yoruba does not automatically make you an expert in yoruba language or culture. Yoruba is a culture and it has to be cultivated into you. There is a discipline and a training in Yorubaness. A foreigner that undergoes that discipline will surely be more yoruba (culturally) than an indigene that has not undergone the discipline. It happens all the time.

I know many many yoruba children that can't speak yoruba language and don't know diddly squat about yoruba culture. I was once such. I even used to snob all things yoruba.

In England we have a class of people we call Chavs. These are the underclass. What you are saying amounts to a Chav coming to me and telling me that because he is English he will understand Shakespeare better than me, never mind that I've actually studied Shakespeare. That would be ludicrous, won't you say.

Analytical:
Abuzola, you are such an interesting fellow.  Will you read what I am about posting?  Read John 8 vs 12-58 and John 10 vs 22-39.  Please do read that and be corrected.  However, check the excerpts here:

John 8:
58 “I tell you the truth,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”

59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.


John 10:
29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand.

30 I and the Father are one.”

31 Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him,

32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”

33 “We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are gods’?

35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken—

36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?

37 Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does.

38 But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.”

39 Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp.