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viaro:
Deep Sight, howdy?

I have problems - serious problems - with people who make such kinds of remarks. I may not know a dot about Yoruba creation legends - even so, I can respect people whose cultures and outlook on life are different from mine. Asserting that they are outlandish and laughable probably puts the asserter in very poor light, especially because he makes such assertions ignorantly as an outsider that knows absolutely nothing about such cultures and is not even willing to know!

Yes, I am an educated adult - and I subscribe to a worldview that did not originate from my culture. But who says that anyone has to adopt only those views that are local to them anyway? If anyone - including you - cannot understand why educated people can believe in 'God' differently from the way you mold a concept of your own 'god', then what would they make of your own 'singularity' that repeatedly cheats common sense and science, and yet remains as v[/b]ague, [b]v[/b]alueless, [b]v[/b]acantly assertive, [b]v[/b]agrantly constructed, [b]v[/b]ariegated, [b]v[/b]ociferous, and frequently [b]v[/b]olte-face?? Your outlandish remark about 'yoruba'  is an insensate attack on the Yoruba people - and that needs no telling to an adult, let alone an educated one!

You may not believe in the views of other people as regards God; but you should be cautious in the way you charge blindly at them for their beliefs especially when your own assertive constructs for your 'God' is unrecognizable. What is even more laughable is the way you try to take a swipe at others when you have never had a good grasp of your own deification of a non-existent "singularity". Please Deep Sight, I did not expect you to lower yourself to that level, and I hope with fingers crossed that a change of attitude would be on the horizon.

Krayola:
Would you have liked to have had someone fukc your late father's corpse? Obviously a corpse can not give permission, but maybe a next of kin can. My point is that is is not your body to as as u please with. . .it is somebody elses. If a necrophiliac went to fukc a pillow, or sandpaper, that is his problem. 


I'm making it personal because this is personal to me. As i have stated earlier, my younger sister, whom i love with all my heart, is a lesbian. She is not a deviant. She is a saint. Remove her sexual orientation and most people would love to have her as a daughter, or a wife, or a friend.

DO i think homosexuality is disgusting, of course I do. But that is my personal opinion. If 2 adults want to be together, what the fukc is your beef? Are they videotaping it and sending you a copy? You think u are superior. ,  that your views should shape the world. I beg to differ.

bawomolo:
no offense deep sight but it seems you have fallen into the same trap as davidylan (a guy which you have criticized).  This comes off as bragging and trying to act as if you are better and smarter than the rest of us.    I guess you are the only one who read books during his childhood.  

Such closed-mindedness and braggadocio  is what led to the downfall of Sadducee and pharisees.  maybe we should start referring to you as deep sight PHD

Krayola:
I think rape is sexual perversion because of the lack of consent and the impact on the victim
I think necrophilia is sexual perversion because of the lack of consent, and just the fact that the body is fukn dead
I think paedophilia is sexual perversion because of the lack of consent and the impact on the victim, the child

Krayola:
deepsight. . .u have made over 100 "iron clad"arguments on nairaland. Almost every single one has been ripped to shreds with laughable ease. Get over urself.

Marlbron:
Lets be clear, The Godhead is made of 3 personalities: Father, Word and Spirit and they agree or they are one. I think you chew too much when you a mere man declares that the most important of the 3 cannot manifest, when the least has manifested (Jesus Christ).

Marlbron:
Father = God, Word = God, Spirit = God.

Strange equation, but true.

davidylan:
Dont worry, as long as deep sight is not on the panel.

davidylan:
I have been very busy writing my thesis . . . which as you know is much more important than responding to a blind bat who asks the same questions over and over and over again with no hope of his ever comprehending anything.

playboy08:
re-islam is a satanic religion. just like my previous contribution, i think we should leave the issue of religion to it's importers. imagine the bible saying 'who so ever refuse to accept jesus christ as his lord and saviour is already condemed'. again quran said that Allah will not accept any other religion than islam. now whom do we believe? or can we say that we are worshipping a different GOD?

mreds:
I met a gal at the bank sumtyms ago,the whole placed was packed wit pple and i saw that her top was up at the and her butts were out,i felt it was a mistake,i walked close to her and told her silently that she shld pull down her top,she just looked at me and said,"If u've got it,flaunt it".I asked her if u wanted guys to c it,wat shld we do wit it,she answered and said"Nothing".I concluded that she was sick,

Another Scenario,we were in a bus and a gal was sitting in front and her butts were out cos of wat she was wearing,u wud knw dat it was a deliberate act,a policeman was sitting behind d gal and i guess he felt so irritated about the scene,he bought 5naira cold water and pour it in the available space and argument ensued,the gal was eventually.

Gals has to undertstand that morally upright in life gives you an edge. Pls every1, let's work towards pleasing God and not man.

Deep Sight:
Panting from the the hectic dash, we move speedily along, avoiding delays and distractions, to the next proof. This one, i must concede, will take the form of an explanatory deduction, and not a pure mathematical argument. In this, we need to address a cardinal question:

Great. Let’s start from here. But before we kick off, let me regurgitate this –

Yes. Back to “the oneness of infinity.” Are there any problems envisaging this as a “hot capsule” of all possible infinite energy? Let us use a detailed analysis to understand this, so we are clear that we do not speak only of matter.

I started this thread with numeric postulations. This we understand to be a system of abstract quantification. The very word “abstract” indicates certainly the non-material. Thus we need to understand that this postulation starts in what philosophers call “the world of forms”.

Basically, for the beginner, the world of forms refers to the “ideas” of things existing. It is non-material, and abstract. (As we go along we will see that it is transcendent, and is the real “existence” which brings further or material existence into being.)

Thus to elucidate (contrary to the poorly informed view of Davidylan) numbers are abstract forms which exist in and by themselves within the world of forms. Man did not invent numbers. He invented symbols and words to ascribe to already existing quantities. For example, if man saw 9 planets around the sun, those planets have been 9 in number ever before man began to exist on Earth, but man required a way to articulate the quantity he was seeing – and in this he comes up with his own numeric system, the figure [9] and the word [nine]. But there were always nine [quantity] planets there already! Just as there were already x zillion galaxies in the universe, whether man was there to count them or not, or use the word "zillion" or not!

Numbers are an abstract form, an abstract reality that exists in the world of forms.

The reason I am dwelling on this is to show one thing – abstract realities can create energy, and further on, matter. Proof?

A crude example. What’s that thought in your head? Can you touch it? Feel it? Smell it? No – It is intangible, it is an abstract form, and this abstract form because it has meaning will lead to energy and action e.g: you get up to drink the beer in the fridge you have ben thinking about. This is a very crude and simple analogy, and I will strive to produce better ones as I go along. But to make a slightly better attempt, let me try another crude example. Let me ask – what is mental strength? Or what is called strength of mind? It is not muscle. It is not brain-cells either, as that may be tied with intelligence. It is not even synapses within the brain. It is nothing physical at all. It comes rather from the thoughts formed by the mind: e.g: I love my family and as such I will run into that burning building to save them even if I die or am maimed in the process. That is strength of mind. It does not come from anything physical, but from an abstract thought.

(Perhaps a finer example, which i will elaborate further upon at a later time, is music. Imagine all the un-sung or un-conceived tunes of music that can be. There are infinite. They are un-conceived as yet, yes? Wwhere will they be conceived from? Ideas - they exist permanently and immutable in the world of forms, and that will translate into conceived music at some point.)

Thus strength can be derived from abstraction. It therefore follows abstract realities, by the very nature of their abstraction are imbued with energy. I realize that this is a very “grandiose” assertion (apologies to Dususpace) which we may be light years away from confirming, but I am persuaded that a simple and calm reflection of the line of thinking, and looking closely at what we mean by an abstraction, along with the very crude analogies above, can serve to confirm this in our minds.

Yes guys, the abstract form of the number [1] is imbued with energy.

Now back to the Oneness of Infinity. I have already described above what that means.

Now what sort of energy would such a oneness of all infinity in existence exhibit. Clearly, it will exhibit infinite energy!

Thus we have the basis for energy being imbued within the oneness of all empty infinity.

Now with that in mind, let us take a look at our own universe. Are there any suggestions of an underlying pulsating energy which may be attributed to such?

Yes there is –

[size=16pt]Dark Energy[/size]
From Wikipedia.
In physical cosmology, astronomy and celestial mechanics, dark energy is a hypothetical form of energy that permeates all of space and tends to increase the rate of expansion of the universe.[1] Dark energy is the most popular way to explain recent observations that the universe appears to be expanding at an accelerating rate. In the standard model of cosmology, dark energy currently accounts for 74% of the total mass-energy of the universe.[2]
Two proposed forms for dark energy are the cosmological constant, a constant energy density filling space homogeneously,[3] and scalar fields such as quintessence or moduli, dynamic quantities whose energy density can vary in time and space. Contributions from scalar fields that are constant in space are usually also included in the cosmological constant. The cosmological constant is physically equivalent to vacuum energy. Scalar fields which do change in space can be difficult to distinguish from a cosmological constant because the change may be extremely slow.
High-precision measurements of the expansion of the universe are required to understand how the expansion rate changes over time. In general relativity, the evolution of the expansion rate is parameterized by the cosmological equation of state. Measuring the equation of state of dark energy is one of the biggest efforts in observational cosmology today.
Adding the cosmological constant to cosmology's standard FLRW metric leads to the Lambda-CDM model, which has been referred to as the "standard model" of cosmology because of its precise agreement with observations. Dark energy has been used as a crucial ingredient in a recent attempt[4] to formulate a cyclic model for the universe.

What can we glean? The universe is pulsating with a constantly moving and unseen energy. As it expands outward, this energy cannot be quantified.

Let us return to the Big Bang.

Deep Sight:
>>>>It shows us that the universe began to expand from a point, a singularity.

We have seen that that singularity may be described as a oneness of all infinity. We have seen that it was imbued with, and was, a “hot capsule of infinite energy” as I stated before. We have seen that invisible energy continues to propel more than 70% of it.

We can accordingly deduce that the oneness of infinity imbued with infinite energy caused it to begin to expand from that singularity, and sustains it with invisible energy till date. This is what I call God, and as we go along will see why this infinite force is per force self conscious.

Deep Sight:
David, you are delivering a Master-class in Escapism! For Christ's sake, i quoted 12 verses for you in which the explicit and clear suggestion was made within the Bible that Jesus was not and is not, God. You are yet to address them!

David, I opened a thread for Noetic some time ago, asking him to explain why he thought only Christians would be "saved". Although he did not convince me, please visit that thread and see what a thorough, exhaustive, painstaking job he did in presenting his position, analysing the bible, and defending every article of his faith thereon.

See the link here - https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-336988.0.html

I charge you to STOP the escapism and address ALL my verses. This thread was opened for you to educate me on the meaning of those verses, and it hardly helps if rather than do that, you simply bring your own verses and demand that I explain them (which I did not shy away from doing, by the way!).

This is a strange approach, because I am not the Christian here, you are. So why are you giving me verses to explain? You should please explain the verses I quoted and stop the somersaults.

Here we go again: If Jesus were God, why would he stop a man from calling him good, insisting - no - "only God is Good?" Did Jesus ("God" become less good by dint of being upon the earth?

Did the import of 1 Tim. 2:5 miss you when it states that “there is ONLY ONE GOD, and one mediator between God and men, the MAN Jesus Christ.”

What do you understand by the word “mediator”? Can you realistically claim that a mediator is the same person as one of the entities he is acting as a go-between for? You know that is frankly absurd.

Can you tell me if Jesus is equal to the Father. If he is, can you educate me on what he could possibly have meant when he stated : “The Father is greater than I” (John 14:28). You earlier answer, you well know, was the height of escapism, asking me to go read the whole chapter. . . which I have done anyway.

Most importantly, can you shed light on Jesus’ repeated references to “his God.” He clearly showed himself to be worshipping God, even praying to God on several occasions. Could God pray to God? Does this make sense to you David?

[b]The most spectacular of all his prayers, for me, is the statement in Gethsemane – “Nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt”

This statement shows something cardinal: if Jesus were God, as you lot like to claim, his will, and the will of the Father would be absolutely inseparable! This prayer shows clearly that the Father’s will could be different from Jesus’ will, when he says – “not as I will, but as thou wilt”. For me this is the most damning verse against the idea that Jesus is himself God. Because it shows a clear dichotomy of WILL between the father and the so called “son.” But I expect that in your usual fashion you will disregard Jesus’ own words in favour of your dogma.

In defending this, don’t you even dare bring up the lame line that it was his “human fear” that was speaking. Even mere mortals have shown great courage at the point of execution, or in battle, and you want to convince me that ALMIGHTY GOD, in human form, was not capable of stout hearted courage (especially when he was divine, and knew the purpose of his mission on the cross, and how sacred it was).[/b] Mere men have laid down their lives for their countries, happily and without asking for the cup to be removed from them. Gallantly! Now GOD himself, in human form, is not capable of such courage, to save his creatures?

Face it David: your dogma is more precious to you than the words of Jesus himself, who you call saviour and “God”!

Finally it is most pertinent to note that Jesus showed what sort of relationship he had with God when he says – “I am ascending to your father and my father, my God and your God”. [John 20:17]

This makes it pretty clear that in the same way as God is father for us, he is Father for Jesus, and that in the same way as God is God for us, he is God for Jesus.

No wonder 1 Pet. 1:3 – “Praise be to the God and father of our lord Jesus Christ!”

NOW STOP THE CIRCUS ANTICS, FACE THE VERSES ONE AT A TIME LIKE A MAN, AND DEAL WITH THEM SQUARELY.

Otherwise, I will be forced to call in the more competent Noetic to address this thread.

Now finally, juxtapose your so called verses against these verses of mine, and tell me the skeptic is not justified in seeing contradictions (even though i have shown you your verses are mistranslations and mis-interpretations).

Krayola:
How could homosexuality possibly lead to human extinction? How could we all go gay? Are u comfortable and secure with your sexuality?

bawomolo:
that's what homophobia does to the mind.

why would someone think such a thing is possible in a genetically diverse human population.