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Akolawole:
Whether you live in Canada, England, America or Afghanistan, its of no importance. You may even have them as Colleagues, Friends and confidant. Nigeria don't want it PERIOD.

I am wondering if you become Nigerian President, we will surely lost all our moral values for a Westernized STUPIDITY.

Forget moral values they have nothing to do here, besides Nigerians especially her governments are in no position to preach moral values without making mockery of the whole idea.

This is a matter of human and constitutional rights. There are gays in Nigeria and shouldn't be persecuted because the rest of us don't agree with their way of life.

This interview is generally pointless outside of giving relevance to irrelevants like Babangida. He was incoherent throughout even went as far as blamed Nigerians for the June 12 imbroglio.
I hope the press will stop giving him platform.



I’ll run in 2007, if. . . — BABANGIDA

By Chuks Ugwoke, Editor
Posted to the Web: Saturday, March 25, 2006


GENERAL Ibrahim Babangida, former military President, remains one man who means many things to different Nigerians. Some see him as forthright, others believe he is full of tricks and deceit, such that he was once branded an “evil genius”. For obvious reasons, he is highly admired by many people, but at the same time bashed steadily by those who did not, and still do not cherish his style. Strikingly, he takes both commendations and condemnations in his stride. Of recent, he has been unusually quiet, perhaps because as he said, he needed that “golden silence.” He is one of those touted to have an eye on the 2007 presidency, eventhough in his characteristic manner, he has never made a definite pronouncement to run against the incumbent President should the third term gambit succeed. Hard as journalists tried, there was a thick wall built around his fortified hilltop home in Minna. That imaginary wall was shattered, Wednesday night when he faced some select editors at his Minna residence.


http://www.vanguardngr.com/articles/2002/headline/f125032006.html

Chiwetel Ejiofor stars with Oscar winner Dendel Washington in the Spike Lee directed thriller Inside Man out this weekend in North America. Ejiofor and Washington plays NYPD hostage negotiator detectives Bill Mitchell and Keith Frazier dispatched to a bank robbery scene to negotiate a peaceful end to bank heist gone awry. "And with one casting inspiration, Inside Man furthers the rising stardom of Chiwetel Ejiofor (Serenity). Playing Frazier's detective partner with perfect New York diction, the magnetic British-born actor raises Washington's game in every scene the two share."--- [url=http://www.ew.com/ew/article/review/movie/0,6115,1175623_1_0_,00.html]Entertainment Weekly[/url]


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English stage actor Chiwetel Ejiofor is best known internationally for his star performance in the 2002 movie Dirty Pretty Things (co-starring Audrey Tautou). Ejiofor was born in London to Nigerian parents and started acting on stage as a teenager. Early in his career he was hired by Steven Spielberg for a small role in Amistad (1997, starring Morgan Freeman) and worked in British television. On stage he appeared in Romeo and Juliet (as Romeo) and Blue/Orange and was hailed as the next great British actor. He has also appeared in the movies It Was An Accident (2000) and My Friend Soweto (2001), and in the British miniseries Trust (2003).

Seun:
WHy can't those of us who don't have Ipods listen to podcasts?

Its mp3,it can be play with the media player.

The interview na wa o. Black African soap?

There is no confusion at all.The 2 went hand in hand.If the Brit administrators and conquerors had not clear the way,it would have been almost impossible for missionaries to go to Africa .The same ships that carried the soldiers and admnis also carried the missionaries.Most times,the wife of the district officer was the nurse or the teacher in the mission school.Haven't you heard of this snide remark?'rifle in one hand,bible in the other' or 'they came gave us the bible and took our wealth'
Although,their were peculiar areas like Northern Nigeria like you pointed out that the politics superceeded the missionary activities.

Wrong. The missionaries had been coming to Africa and making impact long before Africa was officially colonised. And I'am refering to the administrative colonisation here. The Berlin Conference that partitioned Africa was from 1884-85. Before this time there were various European governments' military and economic control in Africa but mostly for prospective and expeditional purposes, or after slave trade was abolished to intercept slave ships, but this controls were not direct and never in any administrative sense. They were not collecting taxes nor making laws. The missionaries on the other hand had been making useful impacts long before then.

It is instructive for you to know that Samuel Ajayi Crowther had translated the Bible into Yoruba since 1843 and codified the yoruba alphabet. he was also ordained bishop in 1864. That is almost 40 and 20 years before administrative colonialism began. Also and importantly Robert Townsend, a missionary had established Iwe Iroyin Yoruba since 1859 and founded the C.M.S Grammer School, Lagos also the same year.

These were some of the modernisation processes already going on from contact with Europeans (missionaries, traders etc). There was no need for the administrative colonisation that the Berlin conference imposed (at least for us) except of course for better exploitations (for the colonisers).

t4cash: You do not need to show me "that the problem plaguing us today has deeper root that run back all the way to the colonial period which you think was better." I know that.

Good but then you could have made a more realistic contribution instead of switching the thread starter's original question. The question was "Wasn't Colonialism A Good Thing In A Way?" this you changed to "Isn't Recolonisation a Good idea?" Remember? It is on this that I've being arguing with you. YOUR SUGGESTION FOR RECOLONISATION. But I guess I've being talking to myself because you're not coherent enough to remember your previous posts.

t4cash: Demmy, are you counting?

Hope you can appreciate now what I was trying to say.

what is it exactly are you trying to say because I'm missing it? That things were better during colonialism and that lots of people agree with you is that it? If that is true how is it of significant to today's problems? If all Nigerians agree that colonial period was better how does that help their case today? Tell me.

And do you think that democracy has failed in Nigeria since we are not ripping its dividends yet?

pearl2:
2.Colonialism was not just politics,there were a lot of Europeans who were motivated not by the glory of the Empire but by sharing the Gospel with the 'natives',and this also almost invariably involved education and social development.You cannot fault the achievement of the missionaries in the educational developement of Nigeria even if you are uneducated atheist.

You're confusing missionaries with colonial administrators. These were not the same. Infact the educational advantage we enjoyed in the South over the northerners was because colonial administrators disallowed the missionaries from proselytizing in the North. My argument is not against these types of contact with white people and their culture. We needed the contact. It is the modern administrative structures as laid down by the colonial administration I'm railing against. These structures were generally laid for their colonial administrative convenience without taking into consideration the nuances of the locals or making them general enough to be uniform.

pearl2:
8.The Brits were also in Asia and other parts of Africa but some of these countries have now gone ahead of Nigeria despite similar political experiences,we can take a cue from them.(Remember the palm seed anecdote from Malaysia?)

But none of these countries (outside of Hongkong for some other reasons) can directly link its ongoing development to colonialism. They all went into political and economic turmoils immediately after independence and not until they made the necessary structural changes needed could they get on developmental path. As for Malaysia it remained democratic through all these turmoils mark you even a communist onslaught couldn't sway it whereas in Nigeria some like t4cash are already having second thought about democracy and thinking "maybe Abacha was better" or maybe we should be recolonized. My point is this type of unfocused thinking distract the process of nation building.

t4cash: Demmy your stance seems clearly: "Compared to our situation post-Independence, colonial times was worse." Am I right?

No. This is not my stance at all. The argument I'm having with you is to attack your nihilistic pessimism over the state of Nigeria on one level and on the other to show to you that the problem plaguing us today has deeper root that run back all the way to the colonial period which you think was better. I am not making any comparision between the periods.

Old Glory: @Demmy

Nobody is proposing for the return of colonail masters. All i am saying is that colonial times laid a lot of ground work for a functional society. During that time, solid institutions were built in the country and the country was on some kind of "Auto Pilot". Law and Justice was for all not only for the wealthy.Education,Healthcare,Pension, per capita income,life expectancy, was better than it is today .Now after the keys to the barn were handed over to the indigenes, well i will let you narrate today's tale.

You're still repeating same story. Move on now and explain to us why the "ground work for a functional society" laid by colonial times crumbled immediately after independence. If the groundwork was so solid as you are arguing merely handing keys to the indigenes need not wrecked it right away now correct? Or maybe the solid education that you're praising as gain of colonialism recieved by these indigenes (who were handed the keys) from these solid colonial institutions was not so solid afterall? Which is it?

Is this distruption by MASSOB needed? Are they not undermining their own course?


Census: MASSOB, Police in bloody clash

By Our Reporters
Wednesday, March 22, 2006

# 10 feared dead
# Enumerators attack NPC chief
# Lapses in Lagos, others

LAGOS-ABOUT 10 people were reported dead in a fracas that broke out on the first day of the national headcount at Nnewi, Anambra State yesterday, with reports from other states indicating that crisis and confusion trailing the exercise.

In Kaduna State, for instance, the National Population Commission (NPC) Commissioner in charge of Kaduna State, Dr. Ufot Asibong-Ibe, narrowly escaped being lynched when irate enumerators attacked his convoy over non-payment of the N5,200 allowance due to them after their 13 days of training.

http://odili.net/news/source/2006/mar/22/300.html

The Ijaw militants seemed to realised the importance of the census than the MASSOB militants. If the igbos are undercounted whose fault would that be?

http://www.vanguardngr.com/articles/2002/headline/f123032006.html

@pearl2

Everybody decry the state of the nation including Enahoro, what they don't do is wishing return to colonialism.

If the structures of government colonialism laid out in Africa were so good why did they crumbled almost immediately at independent? Looking beyond the purported 'gains' will immediately make it clear that things 'seemed' to work during colonial times because it was convenience for colonial administration for them to work. It was in theire interest not ours. You should remember also that Africa was coming straight from traditional system so everything was 'new' and of course 'good'. People couldn't be corrupt even if they wanted to. Many were illitrates still learning the new system. There was lack of adequate checks and balance and the only bulwark against corruption in those days were the colonial masters themselves and the innocence of the natives no other institutions. The country was conveniently partition into 3 regions for administrative purposes even though logic required more with effect that outside of the three regional capitals and Lagos the rest of the country were rural areas.
And of course the effects of their divide and rule tactics are still resonating till today. That the North still believe it is more populous than South is one of these when all evidences show otherwise.

Africa during colonialism was build on sand. This should be clear if you can look deeper beyond the decieving gains.

Old Glory:
@Demmy

Did Colonialism do any good for Nigeria? Try to give a one word answer please.

no.

Nigeria Skyscraper Crumbles In Downpour

LAGOS, Nigeria (AP) -- The top portion of one of the tallest buildings in Nigeria's main city sheared off during a storm Wednesday, raining debris onto mostly empty streets below but leaving at least two people dead, witnesses said.

Part of the top nine stories of the 21-story Nigerian Industrial Development Bank, which had had a fire on two floors two days ago, crumbled and fell away around 8 a.m. (0700 GMT), amid a heavy downpour, said Segun Ade, a guard at a nearby building. He said falling debris killed two people.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/africa/03/22/nigeria.building.ap/index.html

25 million is pushing it. Estimate is close to 10 million.

Of course it means precolonial times.

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IWhy don't you talk to your grannies and ask them to tell you about their lives under the British.The system worked better than now.

Why don't you ask Enahoro why he made a motion for Nigeria's independence.

Let's take educational system for instance.The university of Ibadan in the 50's and 60's even up to 1970's was a pride not just of Nigeria,but the whole of the commonwealth.The graduates of UI then compared favourably to graduates elsewhere.What is the state of things there today?Try to find out when the rot set in.
What of the health system? a classmate of mine told me about the discussion she had with her grandfather who had limited education but lived under the British rule.He had gone to one of those hospitals established many years ago and he was not able to get help.The standard had fallen so badly compared to what it was before independence.The old man, according to my colleague asked her what was the use of the independence if it means one cannot even get drugs from the hospital,something that didnt happen when the Brits were in charge.

These showed what? Have you ever pondered why things turned out the way they are today or you're simply lamenting and having colonial nostalgia?

Please,when are we going to stop blaming colonialism for our woes.

You're obviously unaware of the argument I'm having with t4cash.

@t4cash

Iam in Greece even though I don't know the relevance of this to the discussion.

Old Glory: @Demmy

I think that T-cash is making a very bold argument. The truth is that even in today's Nigeria, most people would rather work for a white man, than an indigene.

Here we go again. The truth? how is this the truth? Is this "truth" based on some survey or simply your own opinion/feelings?

Old Glory: I really think that Tony Blair would beat many respected Nigerians in a national election, if the vote was free and fair. You can blame colonialism for a lot of things, but the fact of the matter is that the country is worse off today than ever in our independent history.

The question t4cash raised was will Nigerians vote for return to colonization in a referendum? Not Tony Blair. Before you can get to vote for Tony Blair either one of 2 things must hold. Either you are a British citizen or Tony Blair is a Nigerian. Now under colonization you're not a citizen of your colonizing country, you're their subject and subjects don't get to vote for British PM instead you would still have to vote for the same present idiots who would rule you indirectly on behalf of British PM and its royal family. Note that.

Old Glory: Many of our parents/grand parents would testify that pre colonial times were some of the best times of their lives. Education was sophisticated, the economy was strong,inflation was under control etc. Today i can make an argument that the average Nigerian in Nigeria is not "Free".

You can't meant pre colonial times here can you?

Old Glory: There is Police brutality, there is no recourse in the courts when you are wronged, there is no justice for the citizenry. This is level of black on black crime is at the highest level in the history of the country(Pre and Post colonialism).

How many Nigerians really make recourse to courts when they are wronged? very very few. Ordinary Nigerians don't know their right talk less of asserting it. Instead they complicitly allowed the wrong to go on. But there is justice when you know your rights and how to go about defending them. I have personal experience of this. Our problem is we expect the system to work "automatically" while we do nothing. No. We would have to fight for our rights even under democracy. Gani Fawehinmi had to take government to court before more political parties were registered in 2002 for instance. This means we can't take rights for granted at least not until they are totally well established.

Old Glory: For the last 46 years we have run the country by ourselves right? We have tried democracy, we have done the military route, we have had dictatorships ETC and it has not worked very well. The topic is "Wasn't colonialism A good thing in a way"? I think that T4 is trying to argue in the Literal sense that it was good in many ways and i agree.

Trying democracy is a wrong worldview. Democracy must be allowed wholesale and for the very long haul come rain or sun for it to work. Its a long tortured journey which we must be ready to endure. Our trials of democracy you pointed to were faulty. 5 years in the 60s, 4 years in the 80s and less than 8 years presently and we are already having second thoughts? No it won't do.

Take India it had her independent in 1947 after which it went through political, ethnic and religious turmoils with assasination after assasination of Prime ministers but you know what? they sticked with democracy through it all even when they were tottering on the brinks of war with Pakistan. 59 years of painful continous democratic road behind them! Now the worst is over as dividends of democracy rakes in. Democracy is not easy. It means conflicts after conflicts which could be resolve only through democratic means not repressed or jettisson democracy as unworkable.

So the answer is not to revise gains of derogatory system like colonization but to be ready to use the opportunities of the democracy we now have and help it grow.

No you didn't . If I sounded hard I didn't mean to. But seriously the type of argument you are making doesn't encourage the process of nation building. I don't blame colonialism for Africa's woes but I also won't suggest return to it under any circumstances. Besides most of what we percieved as gains of colonialism were actually from the missionaries and not from the colonial administration itself which was merely for exploitation.

t4cash: Calm down. Most of these your accusations and insinuations are just pure anger and are not synopses of my post. This is not a bolekaja. We are having an intellectual discussion. Be reflexive. Focus on my argument and attack my facts and logic.

And what argument is that? facts and logic? where are they? You have been incoherent throughout. To remind you the argument, in your previous post, you presumed without any proof, that people will vote for colonialism in a referendum even though you wont and I asked how do you know that people will vote for colonialism in a referendum? This remained unanswered and instead you lurched into self recrimination of type "i am the problem" and that we are blaming the white man.

And now again you're saying without "facts and logic" that people say "Maybe Abacha's regime was better?" Which people are saying it? Where are they saying it? Are they saying it at beer parlors? Or is it the consensus view of professional bodies like NLC, NBA, NUJ etc?

You just keep on confusing the issues and yourself in the process. Nobody is denying the present miserable African condition or blaming whiteman for it. We are merely trying to correct the extreme view you hold that can't see anything good in Africa. Your view that you must give thanks to whiteman for your existence. And that every time you have a problem you must call on the whiteman to solve it for you because you deem yourself too inferior to think on a solution by yourself.

If you're really an African then stop blaming yourself and stop justifying the whiteman. No need. Instead THINK of a real solution to the African problems not petty, escapist and derogatory clamour for return to colonialism.

Excerpt from Shagari's interview in Vanguard that shed light on Niger Delta crisis.

Q - One other contentious issue concerns revenue allocation, especially on the issue of derivation. Incidentally, it was during your administration that another 20 percent was shaved off the derivation. Now we have a major crisis in the Niger Delta; how can we share our resources so that there can be equity and justice, and everybody is satisfied?

Well, it is not easy. My own point of view is that what caused the problem is oil money. Without oil, we would have gone a long way as far as running the government is concerned, and particularly in the case of revenue allocation. It was a military government, not my own, that reduced the shares of the states, particularly, the oil-producing states, in the belief that the offshore oil should belong to the federation. In some way, they were right. But that caused a lot of complaints. Secondly, even if the Federal government did not take that which accrues from the offshore, the nature of the oil-producing area, that is the Delta, is a very difficult situation. With all the money in the world, development there is very, very difficult, because of the nature of the environment there. And you can spend the whole money accruing from oil without bringing the Delta people to the position of, say Lagos state or Oyo state, because of the geographical and environmental situation.

And without people really trying to play politics in the case of oil, the share (of oil revenue), which was given to the people in the Delta before was not enough. Still, it has been reviewed from time to time, and the people have received a bit more, each time. I think, that is much better progress than trying to cause trouble in order to starve non oil-producing states. It is always my belief that you can do things in a civilised way, and achieve what you want.

All we can do is to tell the people of the Niger Delta to be a little more patient. And with each increase they get, the more progress they make. But they should also remember that the mineral wealth is a federal matter. Although every state has its own share, the federal government is in control. So this is the problem, and it will continue like this until people really begin to think, not just of the small area they inhabit, but of the entire country. The interest of the country is paramount to everybody else's. But it is difficult for our people to realise that. Even so, on the sharing of oil revenue -- despite all the increases they have been getting of recent -- there is hardly any development going on there! You want to see what they have achieved with what has already been given to them. But you can't see much when you go there. That is the problem!

Q - The people of that area believe, especially from what happened at the National Political Reforms Conference, that the North has not shown sufficient sympathy to their cause, given that that area usually supported the NPN and the North.

Yes I agree! That is the impression that they got. But unfortunately, in my opinion, it was due to the way they approached the whole issue. Both sides were wrong, in my opinion. Each side tried to be very selfish, and not accommodate the other. And it does not augur well for our country, at all. It is a matter of give and take, and of tolerance. That is why I have taken the initiative after this quarrel between the South-South and the North, to bring them back together.

t4cash:
Did you read the post at all? I am not inferior to anybody but as an independent nation, we have proven ourselves inferior to managing ourselves.

We have not proven anything of such. Did we have an ultimatum as to when we must show we could manage ourselves because otherwise we would be declare "inferior to managing ourselves"?

t4cash:
I was clear that "I will vote against Re-colonisation" but that sadly, Majority of Nigerians will easily vote for it.

Am I lying?

Yes you're lying. You can't know that. If you won't vote for it how come others will vote for it?

t4cash:
For me, the question should not be :"Wasn't Colonialism a Good thing" it should be "Isn't Recolonisation a Good idea?"

Because given the track record of Nigeria since the white man left (let me not even include the other African countries), if you put up a referendum today asking whether the white man should be invited to come back and rule us, it will be passed FIAMMM! By a landslide. I mean if the vote is a true democratic referendum. I personally will vote against it but I bet the majority of Nigerians will go for a Bill Clinton or even Bush than these leaders who we have. Quite sad, but its our current situation.

And if this is so, all true "democrats" should be considering this option.

And let no one come with the old "Its because of bad leaders" crap. Both as leaders and followers, Nigerians have proven (so far) that we do not have what it takes to manage ourselves as an independent nation.

Those who abuse Shell, forget that if it wasnt for Shell and the white man, we would not have found Oil. And we will not have this pleasure of making easy money from something we do not work for. We would all have been forced to really make/do something. They pay royalties and tax for their operations, yet they are asked to develope the areas they work in. Haba? Why? because they still make a profit after doing so. So we leave the govt that has pocketed the tax and royalty (which is our own actual share of the business) and start attacking them. Sheer utter myopia- the curse of the black man.

The person/system that governs is not what matters. independence/colonialism/ democracy/ dictatorship are all means to an end. The end being better standard of life for the greater mass of the population aka development. Ask the Nigerians who are choosing to go and live under a Chinese autocracy. The Nigerian standard of living developed more under colonialism than under its so-called independence. So colonialism was definitely better for the greater masses. Our Independence has to prove its worth.

And so your own answer is return to colonialism?

Your comment is proof without any iota of doubt that our education system has really really really failed (as if it wasn't obvious). You an African echoing racist opinion against your own nature! Africans are inferior? Can't govern themselves? You will barter your freedom for any good government? It doesn't matter just means to an end?

toshmann: ngige had a choice to make.either he danced to the tune of the masters and rip anambra of all their money or he stands the mafia for the sake of anambra.if he accepted Uba's proposal and gave away anambra's wealth,joined the 3rd term fools, worshipped the president etc he would have been governor today.we wont have known what happens to our money.

but he chose to fight the mafia.he knew they were brutal,he fought them still.he knew there was a price to pay for that choice.when the time came he paid the price without regrets.

he choose to do the right thing, not the easy thing, for the sake of anambra state.
that is what patriots do,that is what he did

that is why he is a hero.

So Ngige didn't know that Uba & co. were mafia when he was collaborating with them heh? How about when they rigged the election for his benefit, did he realised that they were mafia then? Or how about when the election tribunal last year ruled that he had stolen someone else's mandate did he backed down then?

Face it Ngige isn't any more moral than the rest of them idiots. He was among them till he was abandoned so he had no choice but to play populist politics. And you call him patriot? Where is that so called patriot now? , London.

If those "made in Nigeria" cars fail to materialise this is why.

Design history, moulds of Nigerian made car stolen as robbers attack motor manufacturing firm

EZEMA JAMES OKWY
Saturday, March 18, 2006

An indigenous motor manufacturing company, Izuogu Motors Limited, Naze Owerri, Imo State, has lost property valued at over one billion naira to burglary.

According to the chairman of the company, Dr. Ezekiel Izuogu, some armed men numbering about 12 broke into Izuogu Motors factory, Saturday, March 11, between 1.00 and 2.00 a.m. and carted away various machines and tools including a design history notebook of Z-600, the design file Z-MASS, containing the design history for mass production of Z-600 car, a proposed locally made car and the moulds for various parts of the car.

Izuogu, who has laboured for 18 years under very difficult circimstances to design and produce the stolen moulds, lamented that the moulds took 10 years to design and build.

“The perplexing thing about this theft is that it is clear that none of the stolen items can be sold in the market. Since the Z-600 is not yet in the market, the items stolen can only be used by the 600 phototype which is just one car,” he told journalists.

He wondered why other highly valued machines and tools in the factory were not touched by the robbers if they were looking for money.

“It seems that the target of this robbery is to stop the efforts we are making to mass-produce the first ever locally made car in Africa,” he stated, adding: “Other items stolen after a quick inventory conducted by the company soon after the incident include locally produced timing wheel, locally produced year camshaft, locally produced crankshaft, locally produced engine tappets, all 20 pieces each. Also stolen are 10 pieces of locally produced Z-600 engine blocks, 10 pieces of locally produced pistons, 4 pieces of engine block mounds, 4 pieces of top engine block moulds, 10 pieces of engine fly wheel and 2 pieces each of rear car and front mudguard moulds.

The moulds stolen took 10 years to design and build. In monetary terms they are valued over one billion Naira. But the problem is not the money but the time and energy it took to design and produce these moulds. To worsen the matter, our design notebook has also been stolen.”

He regarded the loss as a national economic disaster were the nation to appreciate the value of technological and intellectual property.

Izuogu therefore appealed to the Federal Government, the security agencies and all well-meaning Nigerians to assist in the recovery of the stolen items.

The robbers had mercilessly beaten the security men and tied them up before forcing the factory open, he added.

http://odili.net/news/source/2006/mar/18/315.html

Must you be colonized before you imbibe ideas like technology, education and democracy etc? You should dust up on your history books. If you do you will learn that long before colonization, Africans and Europeans had freely traded with one another and if such mutual and equal contact had continued without colonization Africans would have surely gained from the advanced ways of Europeans, willfully and tacitly, what they deemed useful to better their own lives. For example if Africans wanted democracy they could learn from the French revolution and organised their own and so on. Now that would be the ideal. To willfully concur to ideas after ones has seen its benefits and rationals.

But what happened under colonialism apart from the exploitations and the manipulations was that institutions were forced on us without being asked. Africa was divided into various 'countries' without consultations with Africans. Even people lacking kings had one created for them by the colonial masters without asking if they wanted one. All these resulted in the present day clash of culture we are experiencing. We've neither renounced our traditional worldview nor absorbed fully the much craved modern worldview.

Sorry white lady for the belated reply. I've sent you the file now.

Missworld:
Hey I am not one of those that catergorize people. I'm saying in general. Igbo ooo, Hausa ooo, yoruba, all of them are corrupt. The whole Nigerian gov is corrupt. It is a mess! The best gift for my people ( as in friends and well-wishers) is to get them out of that hot mess!

Its good that you recognized they are all corrupt and I'm happy you were not refering to Igbos. But I'm pissed at some people trying to make Ngige out like he is some choir boy. He's not an innocent by stander lets get that straight.

Missworld: @demmy, u said that "justice is done". It's simply a selfish and ignorant comment. In fact I'm out of words for u. Carry on!

There was nothing ignorant there my sister and definitely not selfish. For Peter Obi I meant justice was done. That election was rigged. Everybody knew that. The election tribunal had made the same ruling since last year but Ngige appealed that decision and stayed longer than necessary when he knew he was not supposed to be governor in the first place. So yes justice was done.

Idekeson:
Adedibu, Mantu et al. nko

Mantu is on his way to be impeached and Adedibu will go back irrelevancy come 2007 as he was in 1999 before Ladoja exhumed him back to prominence.

I'm simply going to work so hard to get my people out of that mess!

Is Chris Uba not one of your people causing that mess?

Hey boys,
I feel this editorial is a sound analysis of the situation. It was written by Reuben Abati of the Guardian.

Where did Abati get off throwing encomiums on Ngige? So he accepted the court's ruling. big deal. The point is he partook in rigging election. In rational society he would be heading to jail as we speak, he and his collaborators. Nonsense. When he, Uba, Obasanjo and others were deliberating how to rig the 2003 elections how many of you were there? Were you invited? Why are you now arbitrating their differences? Good riddance I say. The more PDP shoot itself on the leg the better for democracy. JUSTICE is done.

The problem with us is barely 8 years into democracy and we all expect it to be working like a well oiled motor engine without glitch. This can't be so and for me this is the reason why I'm not pessimistic about Nigeria. As long as we give democracy a chance the society can only change for better.

funniest thread ever and the best example of much ado about nothing.

what about the other pdp govs

What about their political opponents? Did they act? It was Peter Obi who took Ngige to court remember?

Nigerians!!! chei!!! No matter what Nigerians' awkward way of reasoning with penchant for obfuscation always creeping in.

Actually you're right onanugaola. The headcount itself will only take 2 days (24 and 25 march) not 5 while the housing census start on Monday 20.

Census: FG restricts movement only on March 24, 25


So why the heck have those lazy governors declared the entire week holiday in their states?