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I am sure the 2008 list doesnt qualify for now.


The 2013 list, I'd be interested in.

This is a beautiful piece ma sha Allah.

BUt Op should modify it to make it more readable.

Soukiss: u get mind

Hard to peel. Dazall

Sissie: This is what Hausa people call santi, LOL.

Santi is dellli'cious!

naptu2: 1) House along Oniru Palace Way, within Oniru Royal Estate.

2) Oniru Private Estate.

Does the estate belong to d king?

tbaba1234: I don't know but i'd investigate.

A great book with authenic duas is 'fortress of the muslim' compiled by said bin wahf al qahtani.

That is hisnul Muslim..

We used to eat Yam with every other thing until that day when Momma said it can be eaten with palm oil. That was my yam moment.




Mwahhhh!!! Palmoil with salt and Yam(old one o!) is soooo mwahhhhhhhhhhhh.

abubello: The op is being mischievious by editing out the Emirate council's response as stated below:

Responding to the allegations, the Bida Emirate reportedly accused Uzoechina of distorting facts and insisted that the Etsu Nupe should not be blamed for the girl’s voluntary decision.It said in a statement that Miss Uzoechina approached the monarch for protection over her change of faith from Christianity to Islam on February 15.“The royal father invited the father of the girl for talks, with the hope of reconciling them.

On March 2, the father came to the palace and was taken before His Royal Highness. It was at His Royal Highness chamber that the father came face to face with his daughter. After discussions with the girl and her father, the Etsu Nupe asked the girl to go back home with her father to resolve the matter as a family.“The girl refused to go home with her father fearing that the father may harm her going by the encounter at the Etsu Nupe’s palace.

The girl left the palace and approached a court in Bida for protection, a request which the court granted the girl. The girl has since been in the custody of the court in Bida. Her reason was that her father insulted her and she was scared that he may harm her because of his utterances during their short meeting.” -

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/07/forced-conversion-to-islam-my-daughter-not-the-only-one-at-etsu-nupes-palace-uzoechina/#sthash.wWBmiZ[b][/b]lz.dpuf

These people can be so mischievous.smh

donroxy: I don't think Islam supports what Etsu Nupe is doing ..... !!!


The Girl has ''balaga'' (Matured) and She should be ''guarded'' towards dealing with her parents not ''Kidnapped'' and ''hidden'' away from her parent !!! !!!


Under Islamic Jurisdiction ,Her parents still have all rights towards her and she can only disagree with them(her parent), Honorably, on the issue of her religion ....... Even without making them angry or seeking their wrath !!!



Whatever They told her that made her dumped the Religion she was raised,educated and tutored from infancy till maturity despite her father being a
pastor must be enough to safeguard Her against the Incarceration of her parent !!



Apart from Islamic Jurisdiction, Nigerian Constitution allowed ''Aisha'' freedom of Religion as far as she is above Eighteen(18) which also protect the girl against her parent's possible re-conversion !!



Etsu Nupe and his agents actions are not Islamic and Muslim Clerics should rise to this ...... If the situation is as reported !!!

Well said

Amin o. I pray for you too.

And all Nairaland Muslims. There is a popular saying that prayers are answered when people pray for each other.

Is the duau khatmil Quran authentic?

naptu2: A boy with 8 limbs was born in India a few years ago. Some indians believed that he was the god Vishnu, while others believed that he was an octopus man. The truth is that he is a siamese twin and the extra 4 limbs belonged to his dead twin.

Last week we heard the story of a boy in India who has a tail. The truth is that there's a defect in his spine.

So the girl in Ibadan saw something, but it doesn't necessarily mean that it's a mermaid or merman. It depends on interpretation.

The police might have taken the girl into custody to protect her. The police also has a duty to investigate the incident because criminals sometimes create hoaxes to attract a crowd and then deploy pickpockets to rob spectators of their possessions.

A child with hypospadias chordee is believed to have been circumcised by an angel.

The only people who can tackle poverty are the leaders. What has any northern governor really done to push education? Or empower people? They dont care. Not their problem.

Actually, I wish they would just go ahead and tackle it. I have spoken against poverty over and over again. The almajiri system is embarrassing. The most I and many here can do, for now at least is keep saying and hoping that poverty would be tackled for it definitely will go a long way.

It is about old men because it is clearly abnormal for a 50 year old to bé lusting after a 13 year old.

It is abnormal to you. Fine. You are allowed that opinion. It is not abnormal to them(and here is where my argument lies). For you to make them see the abnormality would take time and of course some form of education that they are yet to take.It definitely isnt by just criminalising it.

All the hausa girls I am friends with are well educated. But I hear them speak of girls( of similar social backgrounds) getting married just after sec education(which shows them as teenagers). These girls definitely see nothing wrong with getting married because they were brought up to see it as normal. Anyone telling them otherwise had better have something substantial to back it up. Marriage to an elderly, I heard in just one case and this was an 18yr old whose father disapproved of the marriage but with her and her mother's strong head, father had to agree. Do you still call this the case of an oldman taking advantage of a lil girl?

How come the fathers of the girls see no reason in giving them out? Again, it is all about indoctrination.

This is not about what happened in arabia 1000 years ago. This is about today.

I agree. But today, some people have simply failed to stop living in the 6th century C.E and no one should force them otherwise.

Its sad though that northern women have mostly been silent on this matter

Maybe they just dont see it as a problem or dont see how talking online helps them out.

I am not here making a case for Yerima or anyone else. All I have written has been against people claiming the higher moral ground. The paedophiles dont need to start coming to Nigeria. You may have heard the explanations that the law never changed. The propagandists only blew it for whatever reason they have.

Well, I am not saying anyone has to do any of the above. I have actually not seen it in my immediate surrounding.

But there is a big problem when some people think they have the right to insult others because they see things differently or want to do things differently.

Even as a social worker or an extension worker working with rural people, the worst of ways to speak with them is to tell them that their method is bad and speak all the ills against them. They'll more probably get stronger that way and defy it even if it is a law.

That older men do it is what everyone keeps hammering on. So, is it majorly about the old men or teenage marriage in general. I'd want to think it is about the marriage in entirety.

In one of my posts elsewhere, I had mentioned the need to promote education. With that, they'll less likely be married. Poverty should be looked into so that fathers dont see their daughters as their meal ticket.

All the noise is just for the time being and the poor girls would only have been used as a means of cheap propaganda against the north/ muslims while things go back to the way they were if the issue of education and poverty are not tackled.

oyb: The fact of the matter is that all this morality talk is a smokescreen. We never hear of 9 year olds marrying 9 year olds. It is always a much older man, marrying a sexually immature child. Perhaps if oyibo pedopiles realize nigeria is a safe haven for them and flood nigeria you will understand.

You want to stop promiscuity, you start a campaign. You catch people, give them the 100 strokes. Of course since the male is usually a paddy in senate that wont happen

Most of these so called bethrothals are in the same vein as people sending their kids to become housemaids. Do you see yerima bethroting his kids to his age mates? Is he not worried about their promiscuity?

Wow. Alhamdulillah.

stillwater: Madam Enough!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have had enough with this crap.
You've been parading this bitchy, side talks and I've been quiet.
If you were sexually active as a child/teenager, better confess it or else keep quiet!
What's with the stu.pid talk of children on some s..ex spree? Were you on a se..x spree at 12, madam?
If you had a questionable background, kindly confess it!
The women from my own background minded their books, don't know about yours. The girl I knew who had a child outside wedlock was actually raped! No girl desires to be prostitute without a bloody predator in the background who has molested her sensibilities.
For a woman like yourself to be complacent with this fracas, shame on you!
Silly thing.

What a background you had! Even if you'll deny any other thing, you can't deny that your background is faulty as regards speaking with others. If this is the best way you can talk, I wonder if anyone taught you anything at all.

Wow! I wrote the post you quoted some 3 days ago and you just couldnt help but comment? Follow follow no go kill ya.

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I know(from experience) that the most majority of the ranters here have to education is their keyboard and screen. I am however a patient teacher and will try to help you understand my position on this matter.

On the matter,

I dont totally agree with teenage marriage. At the same time, I see no reason to make unnecessary noise over it.

In fact, I have been trying to find out the implication of legislating against it according to the Islamic law.

Mind you, I have worked on several campaigns against child marriage, female genital mutilation, etc..and with my interaction with doctors from different parts of the world, and in particular, a woman who's worked with the WHO and the UN, I have realised that the propaganda that these issues meet is unnecessary and a big distraction from more important issues with higher mortality rates as malaria and infectious diseases.

In fact, this mentor of mine had made it known to me that she quit working on the FGM campaign after realising that it wasnt worth the money and time spent on it.

Now, madam internet warrior, let me sing it to your ears that there is nothing wrong with teenagers getting married. In societies where morality is upheld, it is better to encourage willing teenagers to get married rather than have them committing illicit sexual activities.

That is better for them as they are protected from abuse. They dont get to run helter skelter looking for pills to terminate their pregnancies nor would they be needing quack doctors for D&C. No baby factories would be taking advantage of them. Now if you haven't heard about teenage pregnancy being rampant, it is high time you get yourself a tv or @least get your fat body out of the house and join the others at newspaper stands. Funny, you needed the pregnant teens to come close to your family before knowing or you want them to come show it to you because you are too blind to see them while walking on streets.

Even more advanced climes have sought better means of helping the younger generation. First it was about simply talking to boys about condom use and girls about contraceptives. Now, they even go ahead and produce condoms to fit them. In a Muslim society, no such condom would be allowed. What is allowed is marriage.

What part of any of the above is difficult for a supposed, educated mind to understand.

My concerns have always been to however legislate on this matter. How early is too early should be spelt out in the law. What can happen in such marriages. How their education must continue..etc. Even with these, people should not be forced on the choices they make for themselves/ their wards.

It is a big problem when even dolts assume that they have the better argument because some majority at a place hold the same thought. With a little more exposure, beauty can be seen in diversity and you wont be crying foul because some see things differently from you. the 'weird' things are so much in the world that it should never come as a surprise that you are probably one of them.

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And btw, dont you refer to me as a madam. I am not one of you grown ups with no sense of shame talking like you are from the gutters.
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Young, ambitious, much more reasonable and POLITE- that's me!

The age at which a girl must marry is not defined in Islam.

So, marrying very early doesnt make you more religious nor does marrying late make you less of a Muslim.

If anything about being married early is proven to be unhealthy vis a vis, VVF, I dont think legislating against it is wrong.

In essence, if early marriage is seen to be of great danger to the girls involved, legislating against it would be right.

Well, there are risks associated with early pregnancy. Sheikh Gumi is advised to make proper consultations before making statements like this.

Maybe not all 12 y.olds get VVF but many do.

Comparing Nigeria with Britain is a No No. In Nigeria maternal mortality in women with less risk is high.That of teenage motherhood is even higher.

BetaThings: Muslims typically are more conscious during Ramadan
It is a sin to abet sins
Providing accommodation for Zina is a sin
It does not bother him in other months, but now he sees himself as needing to avoid all sins (direct and indirect)
As sins committed now weigh more
Many muslims wil npt feed their guests in the afternoon of Ramadan; don't bother to ask them for water
I will not give either

I am just explaining, not trying to say I am sinless
Indeed I need to seek forgiveness more than 1 million time daily

He paid his rent. I don't think there's much the landlord can do.

About giving people water in ramadan, do put in mind that Islam allows some people NOT to.fast. Would you deny them water as well?

Is this some kind of drama to get NLers typing talking?

Wife- I will report you to Nairalanders. The madams there can help me tongue lash you.

Husband- I will meet you there. We will see who can drive the bigger sympathy.


Abi how else can this be explained?

The real things of the end time.

...Islam would be strange.

Wow!!!

toluene12: teenage premarital sex is a moral issue while early marriage is about social responsbility as a wife and her health to carry and nuture a child. The latter cannot be a panacea to the former.
The truth is this girls are married off without their consent and are left with little or no choice.
This girls may have start their monthly period but their body is still growing and thus is unprepared to carry a baby e.g their pelvis is too narrow to accomodate the passage of a child during delivery. Teenage pregnancy has a higher risk of premature delivery, stillbirth, difficult labour, obstructed labour and the dreaded VVF or RVF- passing urine or stool thru the vagina.
Most often, once they come down with VVF, they become social rejects and are sent away to VVF camps scattered all over major nothern cities, abandoned and forgotten by their husbands.
Even, if they are lucky to escape pregnancy related complication, they're still not immune. Sooner or latter, their husband will soon get tired of them and suerly will get rid of them(as these girls lack the mental capacity to engage in a matured relationship or communication with their husbands). Thus by age 20, most of them are victims of multiple divorces putting them at risk of cervical cancer(early marriage and multiple se.xual partners are risks).
Moerover, they are pulled out from school and their education terminated when they enter all these sham marriages. Thus they are deprived the opportunity to empower themselves and become somebody significant latter in life. These girls grow up to become social liabilities, they remain bound to poverty, and their only contribution to the community is continous breeding of almajiris and swelling the base of an overbloated poverty level in the country.
Finally, i know u're an intelligent and well educated muslim lady. Don't allow ur reasoning to be clouded by unfounded and biased sentiments. Poor judgment is a big disservice to humanity.
It's ur likes that can put an end to this nonsense called early marriage. They wont listen to us, because they consider us as outsiders but when u, an insider raise ur voice against this injustice, they will listen.
I admonish u to speak up for this less fortunate girls, they have a right to a fulfilled life just like u.
They should not be condemned to a life of fustration and poverty simply to satisfy the unusual apetite of a paedo.philic adult.
I'm so sure u wont suscribe to early marriage for ur teenage daughter even if she's misbehaving. U will rather adopt other disciplinary and orthodox methods to caution her.
The cycle of poverty can only be broken when u educate a girl child. Train a girl and u will build a nation.

I agree with you no doubt that these are issues to look in to.

ileobatojo: There is NO reason to disallow them that? This is the number one most idi*otic statement I have ever read from a supposedly educated person. I hope part of you giving your kids everything will include giving them a choice penis to screw 'legally' when they are 9! So the answer to premarital sex is not proper sex education, proper parenting, proper exposure and prosecution of child molesters and adults who take advantage of children's innocence etc; the answer is to forcefully marry them out to against their free will to a grown ass adult that sees them as nothing but a tight vagina to sleep with? What an imbec*ile!!

You didnt have to be insultive. There is nothing to gain from that. Oh, probably your religion teaches nothing on decorum?

The government would have to further define what age is too early. It is already in practice and no amount of shouting or bursting the nerves in your throat would help the matter.

That you see things differently doesnt make you any better. The morals that you want to claim is even obviously lacking in you as shown by your present and previous posts.

When you started to test drive all the men in this world in order to choose one, how old were you?

[quote author=Mynd_44]I have a question and I do not wish to open a thread about it. Who do I ask and where?[/quote]Have you asked your questions yet? #wondering.