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That's the way to go. Stop wasting resources reviewing a fraudulent and an illegal constitution. We all know that every Military govt is a fraud because they stole the people's mandate so can a legal constitution come out of a fraudulent govt?

Go back to the 1963 constitution but replace the regions with states.

Niger Delta...una see una life. Your money is used to buy the cars and hire people who open the doors while you cannot feed but shouting awa oyel upandan

Military men that wanted to be civilian presidents, governors; people who had very low qualifications, adopted a constitution of mediocrity, nepotism, laziness and unending loopholes in order for them to perpetuate themselves after dropping their uniforms and their people benefitting far more than their contribution.

It's a fraudulent constitution

ben1daEbiri:
I agree with you, I mean; the 1999 constitution was drafted by power-hungry, military tribalistic i.diots.

The judiciary isn't helping either,the interpretation of the constitution and exploitation of its never-ending loopholes pains me so much.

WE NEED A NEW CONSTITUTION that will not be drafted by a delegated few if not we keep going round in circles again.

It seems we have decided never to be good or help ourselves. No system can be good if we don't want to

ben1daEbiri:
The delegate system isn't helping...a few dollar stacks changes everything. The delegate system was part of the many reasons why confab 2014 stalled.

Yes! That's how the pre-independence constitution was gotten. The people of all ethnic nationalities elects delegates to a sovereign national conference where resolutions are made and through a referendum by everyone, it is adopted as the constitution

anonimi:
Do you know of any country where there is a people's constitution
As in everyone was involved.

We can use that but there has to be renegotiation of our existence. How are we going to stay together? That point needs to be agreed on

BluntCrazeMan:
They conference of 2014 was never used.
You think they will ever do another one?

The entire 1999 constitution should be scrapped and a new people's constitution based on a sovereign national conference be put in place

Your principal Bubu is the obstacle to restructuring

Won't he continue to serve Bubu's interest again? Is Bubu interested in open grazing ban?

michlins:
read again. He's stating facts. You don't make laws from a mere political gathering and without laws, you don't have a single power

If Nigeria can't be faithful in little, how will they be faithful in big?

Sagay is neither here nor there. Yeye man

How can you be serving Bubu who's against open-grazing ban and trying to help the governors effectively ban it.

Read your earlier comment and stop twisting what you said. Even if there was a referendum in the 1963 constitution (though there was no referendum in there), are we still using that constitution? You're making it seems you're willing so suffer the continued use of the 1999 constitution if it will spite the Igbos.

rottennaija:
You need to learn your history more. I'm referring to the first military coup, the Anti-secession decree, the war against Niger Delta Republic, among others. That was when all these things started

Just 1 post and you that a decision without doing further research. Are you wise at all? Is Ojukwu and Ironsi democratic leaders? Who voted for them?

Luigi03:
Ipobs aren't even denying it, which means it's true. I'm from south south and this post just got me really angry. If Ipobs really did try to kill someone who was trying to break SS out of the zoo, then I'm afraid my support for em all ends here. F**king hypocrites

Are you not from SS, are you not already opposing like your senators would do?

AdakaBoro8:
south west and south south will vote support.

Aguiyi Ironsi supervised the creation of the 1979 or 1999 constitution? Where did you get that from?

rottennaija:
You mean a referendum that Aguiyi Ironsi made sure was not included in the constitution? Una no dey serious.

The referendum will be carried out in the East and not entire Nigeria so those who are outside East cannot influence the referendum unless they travel home. Scotland referendum wasn't done across the entire UK but in Scotland

Coldshisha:




Let's not decieve ourselves, if United Nations and Nigerian Government hold a transparent referendum where people get to vote for or against Biafra.... Most Ibo people with businesses accross Nigeria would secretly vote to remain in Nigeria

I always tease my Ibo friends to leave my region and go back to east and they always tell me how they were born here and nobody can drive them away

One of my childhood best friend since over 2 decades of knowing him, he has never spent more than 2 weeks in his imo state village yet he is on Nairaland and Twitter decieving everybody about Biafra

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Which constitution? Did you vote for that constitution? Was that constitution gotten by way for referendum or sovereign national conference? That constitution was military imposed and as such a fraud!

Aufbauh:
The man is actually sound,knowledgeable and vast about Nigeria political history.

The only possible thing the common man can achieve to set the country in tune outside restructuring is revolution.
Secession agenda is the most impossible task going by our constitution and the administrators of the document.
I don't like deceiving myself and fooling myself in some infinitismal fantasy.

You're talking of votes when we're talking of breakup! You eyes will soon clear when Northern Nigeria becomes her own country. You're biting more than you can chew

NaijirianKing:
The crazy thing is that southerners have been attacking the reputation of peace loving Northerners, and then will want to turn around in 2 years to get Northern votes. The way the south is behaving is as if they will not have to come cap in hand to the North in order to make their son the president.

Lastly, zoning is not in the constitution, but it is merely a favor we extend to our southern brothers, but the way the south is behaving we may just have to show them that it is not by mouth but by numbers.

The North has the numbers and if we are not satisfied that these attacks on the ethnic image of the North, then 2023 will open their eyes when we simply reject them at the polls for one of our own. Which will not be hard since people naturally will support their brother.

The south should remember that there is a tomorrow and 2023 is not far.

Who is insisting that the fraudulent 1999 constitution must not be changed? That 1999 constitution is holding every region down and the 1999 constitution empowers the politicians to be corrupt without retribution.

We have tried to restructure the country but people esp Northerners are saying they don't know what restructuring means perhaps they'll know what secession means.

Is it not the same fraudulent electoral system that operates across the country? Is it not same INEC that conducts fraudulent elections that allow criminals to be selected(not elected!) , Is it not same national electoral body INEC that refused to go full electronic voting to prevent rigging?

What about the educational system? Is it universal basic education that makes the country run one basic educational system or its State-wise? The resources from one local govt, is it used to run that local govt mostly or its sent to run other local govt?

How can a country progress where national positions are not based on merit but quota system? If you're to write the constitution, would you allow the minimum qualification of the president to be 'attended secondary school"?


From your comments, most likely you will not support true restructuring. It seems you don't believe that the structure is the problem that's why you're questioning the people. Organizations restructure when the structure is not working

somehow:
secession is not the first call to correcting a bad system, it should be the last call, have we tried other options?

I asked a question, what was different between 1999 and 2007 when the so called Fulani were not in power? Why did the governors not turn their states to heaven since no north to hold them back?

Same thing with 2009-2015?

We make it seem like the North or whatever you call it is the one telling the governors how to govern their states.

Is the Fulani holding back what is due to each state?

is the north the one voting in leaders in various state?

Is the North the citizens of each state who are suppose to put their leaders in check?

Our problem is not because we are together, it's a lack of identity, idealogy, and unexisiting macro goals that is dealing with Nigeria.

I raised alot of questions in my comments that if you sit down to go through, you will know that if they are not addressed, Every break away country if it ever happens will keep struggling with the same set of problems until they address them.

Nigeria is filled up with occupants and not citizens even down to most states.

I will stop here sir.

it was nice chatting you, was a very mature discourse.

Have a nice day sir.

A bad system affects everybody. The misbehaving southern politicians have friends in the North that protects them through the Northern controlled Army and Judiciary else they would have been lynched. When Biafra and Oduduwa comes , it will be based on true federalism, resource control and a system that rewards meritocracy and not quota system and mediocrity. Resources from one state cannot be used to run another state. If any state is unviable, it should be merged

somehow:
Is the north also the reason most states are badly run?

You said it's not peculiar to Africans alone so the solutions that others have used should also work for us. Except we don't want it to work. Europe that amalgamated different people into countries without consulting them if they want to live with each other divided themselves into practically people of similar ethnicity. no wonder European countries are so small. Portugal was joining people together but what's their size, probably the size of Niger State. Same as Britain and Spain. They themselves refused to merge but merged others. Many European countries are like states in Nigeria.... because they understand if you bring people of different ethnicity together, it takes so much resources to progress

somehow:
We existed fighting eachother
marrying plenty wives to have plenty children so as to have manpower to defend ourselves.

What I am saying is not peculiar to Nigerians or Africans alone, it's a human way of fighting extinction.

Yes! The North has far more national assembly members and constitutional amendment requires probably 2/3 majority ( I'm not sure) but even a simple majority, southerners can't get it. Mind you the clamour for separation is increasing as the insecurity is increasing so when you talk of 1999-2007 and then 2015....we were not having Fulani herdsmen coming down south to kill and rape people in the farms. We were not talking of bandits.Nigeria is tagged a country with high levels of terrorism because of northern groups like bokoharam, herdsmen and bandits. This tagging reduces foreign direct investment cos people naturally avoid terrorists nations.

Another thing is that we run a structure were the people benefitting the most contribute almost zero. It's a fraudulent system, so it's understandable why they insist on the status quo

somehow:
They can't say over their dead body because they are not the only one in the senate and rep, nor are they the only one ruling executive wise. they can't have more than 4 years.

If truly the rest wanted to break away, why did they not do it between 1999 and 2007?
Why not during 2009 to 2015?

Was it the Fulani that held them back too?

I also want the regional system or true federalism but if the Fulanis say over their dead body what else will you do?

Is it then not wise to have the Biafra nation, Oduduwa nation, Lower Niger Republic, Middle Belt Republic and Arewanistan? South Korea is not bigger than Oyo State!

somehow:
I never said so, the grass is always greener.

I don't want the current system and if you read some of my comments, I asked for either True federalism or back to regional system of government we practised after independence.

So how come we existed for over a thousand years before the British came? You're making it seems the British came to save us from extinction

somehow:
Then we will have more than 100 to 200 countries within Nigeria.

The Eastern Nigeria alone had different clan living seperately with borders and had clashes.
Same with the southerners and notherners
Worse of them all were the westerners always fighting eachother.

The Bini kingdom was there dealing with smaller tribes and other 'strong kingdoms' .

So except you're looking for a situation of about 100 Countries, we weren't living peacefully according to history.

Even till today, Cross rivers and Akwa Ibom aren't in good terms.

Anambra and Abia aren't either.

etc

You're making it seems these people that broke out from Yugoslavia weren't wise to have done so....

Nigeria is not working but you seems to be lacking courage for a change

somehow:
Change goal post how?

They were not a country then, they were all part of an entity then and had no structure they have now, so no way to compare.

Those tiny clans as you called them, were they living independently before the British came? If the British did not come, won't they still be existing? How big is Lithuania? Luxembourg? Malta?

somehow:
You see, there was nothing like the southern, Eastern or western whatever, that word is a creation of the British criminals.

Majority were tiny clans, villages, ethnic congregations except for few Kingdoms you listed above.

The ones you listed above are less than 10% (tribes) that makes up the present Nigeria, the rest were mostly villages with knit-tight clans.

Infact the 'Yoruba' which did not exist then were fighting each other before the criminals came.

Everyone was either being the oppressor or the oppressed then. (slave trades, wars, etc)

I did not avoid anything, maybe you're not reading what I am typing, rather looking for what you want to see.

Luggard joined the Northern protectorate and Southern Protectorate because they were having budget deficit in the North and he doesn't want Britain to be burdened so he preferred to use the surplus in the South. Go and read history. He knew we weren't one people but he was about British interest

justtoodark:
but you people always do with moroon dead luggard....

Did his people conduct referendum on the decisions that Zik took to the centre? If you say Zik ruined the regional system, what stops us today to restructure? Zik is holding us back? Wisdom is profitable to direct

johnmartus:
Because he represent his people not himself and before he made any decisions he will first seek for his people opinion.