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solite3:
Jehovah witnesses repent and believe in Jesus so that you don't ho to hell.
You think hell is not possible! Jesus has said it and every christian believes it don't wait to get there before you realise your folly!

are you saying that those who believed in jesus don't go to hell when they die?
pls tell us where they go to the moment they die!

brocab:
Still dolphinheart refuses to listen, he keeps on taken words out and twisting them to suit his own stupidity. Every true believer knows without the spirit of God, you are nothing, Just a piece of flesh.

continue to contradict yourself further, look at your own words again: "Every true believer knows without the spirit of God, [/b]you are nothing, Just a piece of flesh.[/b].
brocab, are there people who don't have the spirit of God? If those people die, where will they(piece of flesh) end up?

its you that said : "Like I said if Paul never had the divine nature having the Spirit of God, then his flesh would end up in hell, like yours, [s]because you say no-one has the Spirit of God, nor His divine nature-then the disciples done nothing, they never laid their hands on the sick, nor did they baptise anybody in the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit.[/s]

and earlier you said: "If Paul didn't have the Spirit of God, the divine, then how did he have it after he had died?
His flesh would end up in hell, where your flesh is heading.

you also said that god can kill body and soul in hell

you have so far given different and conflicting statements about which of these three (body, soul, spirit) goes to heLl when man dies!

three questions where asked, you ended up exposing yourself with one while refusing to answer the other two
1. a beg , which verse are you talking about?
2. solite3, says he believes that soul and body go to hell, do you agree with him?

But of course you can't accept that dolphinheart, every time you even open up your mouth and mocking the Word of God, you have opened up new door to be closer to your Father in Hell.

I can't accept what? that only the spirit of man goes to hell?, even you have used your own words to proof such statement to be false. The scripture you quoted about the spirit tells you what happens to the spirit at death, yet you prefer to say it roams, it roams into into hell abi?
The most interesting part is that you refuse to tell us where the body and soul goes to when one dies?

So if you aren't man enough to explain this topic in your own words, then it shows you know nothing about it, and you are just full of yourself a man with a big mouth trying to start trouble between us Christians that do.

once we clear the issue on what goes to hell and where spirit, body, soul goes at death, then we will go there!

You haven't a clue what it means having the spirit of God, you don't even believe that a man can receive the Holy Spirit.
And you are telling me I am wrong-what kind of a fool are you dolphinheart.
You are full of yourself, you are just another turd laying around doing nothing wasting precious time.

well , I do know that the spirit what push you to lie , use defamatory tactics and commit forgery against others.

myweb:
Hello bro.
No. Its valley view around Magodo...
Thanks

is their a river valley cong in that area? around berger?

johnw74:
lie lie dolphinhert is not interisted in the truth at all,
just in what others think of him, which is: "the pride of the world"

From some of his recent posts:














also, anyone notice how he thinks he is talking to the world,
and the world is reading his posts, woooooooh, where are the men in white coats


Just some from his recent posts:








and false jw like to talk about being mad,
well they ought to know
what do you reckon jess and cap, is dolph and false jw mad or what

presently you are on auto response
there was nothing to reply to
1. you could not post the full text of my post
2. you could not comment on "your god is two persons in one"
3. you could not show where you responded to my explanation on the scriptures you posted
4. on John 1:1, you could not respond to my post constructively when I talked about that verse, so why should I repeat myself!.
5. you could not do without modifying my words and giving it your own false explanations.

johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart


You dolphinheart proudly lie in every post:
Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.




The Apostle John shows that God and the Word is God:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

You dolphinheart not only reject the Bible, but blasphemed God and the Word calling Him "a two headed god":
dolphinheart


You dolphinheart is heap way big lie lie

presently you are on auto response
there was nothing to reply to
1. you could not post the full text of my post
2. you could not comment on "your god is two persons in one"
3. you could not show where you responded to my explanation on the scriptures you posted
4. on John 1:1, you could not respond to my post constructively when I talked about that verse, so why should I repeat myself!.
5. you could not do without modifying my words and giving it your own false explanations.

myweb:
Hello Leofab.
I'm Sola from valley view cong. Care to chat up?

is it the same as river valley?

brocab:
This is funny. And you still didn't understand about any of the topic. Here I go again?
Like I said if Paul never had the divine nature having the Spirit of God, then his flesh would end up in hell, like yours, [s]because you say no-one has the Spirit of God,[/s] nor His divine nature- [s]then the disciples done nothing, they never laid their hands on the sick, nor did they baptise anybody in the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit.[/s]

1.so you are saying if Paul(or anyone)does not have the spirit of God, his flesh(or anyone's flesh) will end up in heLl.
In other words you just indicated(with the green coloured part of your post) that FLESH CAN END UP IN HELL!
this goes contrary to your earlier claim that only spirits go to hell, even with your own words, you are contradicting your own false teachings!
you have now giving contradictory statements about what goes to hell!

now brocab, did the rich man have the spirit of God in him? did his flesh end up in hell( plus notice if he would answer)

2. everyone pls note , I scratched out those words cus they where lies, I NEVER MADE SUCH STATEMENTS, BROCAB IS CAPABLE OF SAYING PEOPLE SAY SOMETHING THEY DID NOT SAY!

Because dolphinheart believes no-one is divine no-one has the Spirit of God-why because the Holy Spirit can only be a active force.
[s]Dolphinheart believes people can do miracles without the Spirit of God, raising the dead, healing the sick, the blind now see, etc..[/s]

another set of lies to try and change the topic from identifying what goes to hell when man dies.

Dolphinheart believes Paul never had God's divine nature, not until he died.
Dolphinheart thinks, there is no such thing as Hell {Hades} and after we die our spirits don't travel anywhere, but our flesh and blood could only end up inside Hell, like the rich man's story-because it's impossible we even have a Spirit after we die? But yet you believe Michael came here in Spirit and became flesh and blood.
Which I find your theory out of wack-Satan is a falling angel-and God made angels spirits, not men.

even you own accusation contradicts itself : dolphinheart think there is no such think as hell..... but our flesh and blood could only end up inside hell.
If I don't think their is hell, come come do I believe that our flesh and blood could only end inside hell?
its when you fomulate beliefs on behalf of someone else so as to use such fomulated beliefs to accuse someone that contradictory accusations such as this emerge!
it is to arrive at this false accusations that lies had to be told about what I said initially!

three questions where asked, you ended up exposing yourself with one while refusing to answer the other two
1. a beg , which verse are you talking about?
2. solite3, says he believes that soul and body go to hell, do you agree with him?

brocab:
On many occasions, none of the scriptures are for you either, but you don't seemed to mined sticking your nose in where it doesn't belong, and it doesn't stop you, from answering other peoples topic's.

none of the scriptures are for me? haba! are there scriptures that are for me and some not for me?
others people's topic or other people's post?
If I quote your post to another person, it is mostly because I want to talk about something you said in that post, maybe a scripture you posted or a statement you made. As you can ses mostimes , i try to refrain from answering questions asked to people i believe have the same beliefs as mine, cus im sure they can answer those questions well well.
Go and look at your post again and see if you answered Any question I asked,any scripture I quoted , or any issue I brought up with the person I was responding to.

So what's your problem Plus I am doing what you do best, helping my bro out, while Solite3 is busy.

well you are doing a bad job of helping him out, cus you could not answer any of the questions posted to him nor respond to any of the scriptures posted to him.

I will let you know on a little secret-it doesn't matter where you are-blood always stick together..

yep, even when the aim is to propagate false theories, and even when they contradict each other.

And if you look hard enough you may find I have answered something you have written up above.

one can't find any, even with a magnifying glass.

INO CASE YOU COULD NOT FIND MY POST TO YOU, IT WAS POSTED 10: 53 AM ON AUG 1

brocab:
Instead of trying to work out how we explain the word of God to you, without your mocking, why don't you try and read the word of God yourselves?

you can only give such advice if you first stop explaining gods word, but as long as you try to explain the word of God, I have the right to examine your explanations and if I find something wrong, I have the right to mention it.
I do not mock anyone, I just state facts with proof.
brocab, you claim that only spirits go to hell while solite3 claims soul and body goes to hell, PLS explain the differences in what goes to hell?

solite3, several post from me to you still awaits your response
brocab, last post about what is going to hell still awaits your response.

brocab, look at this verses
Ec 3:19for there is an outcome for humans and an outcome for animals; they all have the same outcome. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit. So man has no superiority over animals, for everything is futile.[/color]

Job 14:10But a man dies and lies powerless; When a human expires, where is he?

Ge 7:22Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died.

Ps 104:29When you hide your face, they are disturbed. If you take away their spirit, they die and return to the dust.

brocab:
Unless you can show me in scripture where the flesh ends up in Hades? It must be hard for you to consider a mans flesh returns back to dust, while his spirit go's no-where.
Jesus said to the thief today you will be with Me is Paradise-does that mean he will be in paradise alive-or did the man die after his legs were broken up on the cross?
Why did Jesus say to the man today you will be in paradise with Me, if the Man's body just returned to the grave?
Dolphinheart instead of trying to justify this with your own mind-you must explain your bible view on this chapter.

the post was not for you , it was for solite3, but if you felt you are solite3, why could you not respond to the scriptures posted their.
you are a very dubious fellow, always trying to find ways to run away from posts directed to you by commenting on post directed to someone else and at the same time not responding to issues. GO BACK TO MY POST DIRECTED TO YOU AND RESPOND TO THE ISSUES THEIR.
IVE POSTED THEAST FULL TEXT OF YOUR POST, PLS EXPLAIN!

johnw74:
ha ha you are deluded you have repeated those same lies many times, and now yet again

I did reply to those, more than once
but lying is all you can do

however you won't and cannot answer this:

lie lie dolphinheart


The Opening Post was about John 1:1 and the Word being God

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

You lie lie dolphinheart said concerning my God and the God of all Christians,
that is, concerning John 1:1 and the Word being God:

"your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."

dolphinheart:
"it has been established that God and Jesus are two different persons, there if you make Jesus to be that same God, then your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."



dolphinheart, you heap way big lie lie who avoids this issue and repeats the same many lies over and over again

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

presently you are on auto response
there was nothing to reply to
1. you could not post the full text of my post
2. you could not comment on "your god is two persons in one"
3. you could not show where you responded to my explanation on the scriptures you posted
4. on John 1:1, you could not respond to my post constructively when I talked about that verse, so why should I repeat myself!.
5. you could not do without modifying my words and giving it your own false explanations.

solite3:
One verse of the bible popularly misquoted by jhws is

Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

However that's not all
See
Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.

This is interesting @ bold tells us the point the writer is making
He is not saying the dead no longer exist but rather they can no longer participate to anything done on earth not only that, they also have no knowledge of things done under the sun.

1. It seems you do not understand the conjunction"neither"
2. let's look at the verses again :
King James Version
Ec 9:5For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neitherhave they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

solite3, look at the blue coloured part again and tell if it's true or not that the living know that they will die. If you believe this to be true, why don't you believe the part after the comma that says "but the dead know not anything"!
other translators translated that part as "but the dead do not know anything" or " the dead know nothing"
the verse did not say the dead do not know nothing about someplace or somewhere or something, it simply tells you that the dead know nothing!, so wherever you might conjure the dead to be, it simply knows nothing.
to show you how your false teachings contradict themselves, you said " they also have no knowledge of things done under the sun".this is contrary to your claims about the rich man and his awareness of his brothers who are still alive. also is Abraham not dead, has he been resurrected when you claim lazarus went to meet him!, how come a dead person knows about the rich man brothers. you yourself can see how anytime you try to explain the scriptures under your false teachings, it keeps on contradicting itself.
now let's go to the green part, the word neither:
neither /ˈnʌɪðə,ˈniː-/
determiner pronoun
not the one nor the other of two people or things; not either.
adverb
1. used before the first of two (or occasionally more) alternatives (the others being introduced by ‘nor’) to indicate that they are each untrue or each does not happen.
2. used to introduce a further negative statement.
can you see the definitions of neither there, can you see the underlined words?
The verse is talking about two things , two negative things, two alternatives, don't use the second one to determine what the first is saying!

King James Version
Ec 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.

this part exposes your false teachings further, first let me ask you, this love , hate and envy, is it talking about those of the living or those of the dead?
We all know that love, hatred and envy are parts of human emotion, and the scriptures says that this emotion do not exist any longer. Some translators use "long gone", "vanished" ,"perished", "dissapeared".
In simple terms, the verse is telling us the dead have no emotion!

Another misquoted verse is

Psalms 88:10 Wilt thou shew wonders to the dead? shall the dead arise and praise thee? Selah.

Who are the dead who cannot praise God?
Psalms 88:5 Free among the dead, like the slain that lie in the grave, whom thou rememberest no more: and they are cut off from thy hand.

Wonderful@ they are the ones who are cut off from God.
David in that chapter was expressing his fear of dying as a sinner
But look at what Jesus says about the righteous

Matthew 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

does the verse indicate the psalmist will praise God after death, to show that it's only the sinners that will praise God after death? no
Ps 115:17 The deaddo not praise Jah; Nor do any who go down into the silence of death.

Ps 6:5 For in death there is no mention of you; In the Grave, who will praise you?

Ps 146:4His spirit goes out, he returns to the ground; On that very day his thoughts perish.

Ps 30:9What profit is there in my death, in my going down to the pit? Will the dust praise you? Will it tell of your faithfulness?

Isa 38:18For the Grave cannot glorify you, Death cannot praise you. Those who go down into the pit cannot hope for your faithfulness.

Ec 9:10Whatever your hand finds to do, do with all your might, [color=red]for there is no work nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom in the Grave, WHERE YOU ARE GOING.

2 Thessalonians 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

HELL IS FOR ETERNITY NO GOING BACK IN HELL!

SHALLOM

notice the word, Evalasting destruction, no hope of coming back.
enough distraction sir, pls , what goes to hell, the body soul or spirit?
brocab said it's only the spirit, do you agree with him?

solite3:
I am not surprised at your disbelief even dolphinsheart has denied the bodily resurrection of Christ already your organization which was planted by a Freemason is yielding her fruit already but I urge you to think twice before its too late . have you once thought if you are following the bible or your reasoning.

I have not seen where dolphinsheart posted one single letter on this thread.
We were talking about that resurrection before, you made a post where you added large parts of my words to make it look as if you where the one who said it, I've asked you to modify it so I can respond, but you refused to! no problem, na your way!

YOU HAVE REFUSE TO BELIEVE IN THE TRINITY
BECAUSE IT DOES NOT FOLLOW YOUR REASONING

you yourself can't even explain what trinity is , different idealogies, different teachings about trinity, which one do you believe?
This could be discussed soon, but for now, I'm still trying to get all of you to tell us what goes to he'll. is it the spirit, body or soul, or is it 2 of these three , or is it the three.
solite3 has said body and soul, brocab said only spirit. WHO ARE WE TO BELIEVE!

YOU REFUSE TO BELIEVE JESUS RESURRECTED BECAUSE IT DOES NOT SUITE YOUR REASONING

stop lying!

YOU REFUSE TO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS HELL ONLY BECAUSE IT DOES NOT RHYME WITH YOU PHILOSOPHY

pls what is hell?, I asked this customer you might have a different understanding of the word from mine!

YOU REFUSE TO BELIEVE THE SCRIPTURE EXCEPT IT HAS BEEN DILUTED BY YOUR
SOCIETY

pls point to one verse that has been diluted by my society, though I hope you can do this after telling us about what goes to hell, don't use it to change the present topic!

IF YOU DIE LIKE THIS YOU ARE IN FOR A SHOCK.

YES THOSE WHO ARE IN HELL POSSES A BODY THAT WILL MAKE THEM SUFFER!
EXAMPLE , THE RICH MAN TOLD ABRAHAM TO TELL LAZARUS TO DIP[b] HIS FIGERS[/b] IN water
Luke 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

Mind you this is not a parable!
How? Because names of real people are mentioned.
Lazarus and Abraham
Jesus never make parables with real names.

what kind of body do they possess?

johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart

it's impossible for you not to lie and falsely accuse



my one post in a debate of many posts fits into my statement of: "not to interested"
but you love to lie



ha ha repeating your lies is what you do most, and there is more of them

you lie lie dolphinheart called god "a two headed god"

dolphinheart:
it has been established that God and Jesus are two different persons, there if you make Jesus to be that same God, then your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!.


lie lie dolphinheart


The Opening Post was about John 1:1 and the Word being God

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

You lie lie dolphinheart said concerning my God and the God of all Christians,
that is, concerning John 1:1 and the Word being God:

"your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."

dolphinheart:
"it has been established that God and Jesus are two different persons, there if you make Jesus to be that same God, then your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."



dolphinheart, you heap way big lie lie

there was nothing to reply to
1. you could not post the full text of my post
2. you could not comment on "your god is two persons in one"
3. you could not show where you responded to my explanation on the scriptures you posted
4. on John 1:1, you could not respond to my post constructively when I talked about that verse, so why should I repeat myself!.
5. you could not do without modifying my words and giving it your own false explanations.

asked 3 questions , yet no response
1. which seas was moharmed referring to?
2. what are the names of the seas?
3. the pictures the op posted, are those the seas moharmed was talking about?

guess the guy who was talking about pharaoh has nothing to say

READERS PLS NOTE.
This verses where quoted by John74
johnw74 :
Rev 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
Rev 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
Rev 1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
Rev 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

johnw74 now said:
"John described the Spirit body of the Angel of the Lord:
white head and hair, eyes as a flame of fire, feet like fine brass,
his tongue also would have been spirit, perhaps you think it would have been flesh and blood
@jessicha, dolphinheart, jozzy4:
Jud 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts."

I ASKED THE QUESTION AND I SPECIFIED WHO THE QUESTION IS BEING DIRECTED TO
@ solite3, look at the bolded, do you believe spirits have bodies?
@ solite3, do you believe humans have this kind of body after they die?
@ Johnw74, this body that you say the angel has, is it the same as the one the rich man has in hell?
@johnw74, (concerning second bolded above )look at brocabs own words posted about the flesh and hell.
11:27pm, June 17, page 96 of these thread, brocab said thus :
" His flesh would end up in hell, where you flesh is heading"
so do you believe brocab, do you believe flesh goes to hell?

PLS CAN YOU NOTICE THEY ARE GIVING EXCUSES, REFUSING TO ANSWER THE QUESTION!

brocab:
Don't you just love me?

yes I love you, just don't love your character, your trying to use character defamation, lies , forgery to achieve your aim!

brocab:
You are upset with John 74 when you say he used the one verse to prove you said the two headed god, and now you throw the same act with me, you use one verse without explaining the rest of the subject, which was about the divine nature, that you refuse to believe, of course dolphinheart you have proven to us you are a bigger hypocrite.

a beg , which verse are you talking about?
haha, it's easy for me to post the full text for all to see, I'll do so here and let's see if you can explain the flesh going to he'll part with divine nature!
EVERYONE, THIS IS THE FULL TEXT OF HIS POST , PLS NOTICE THE GREEN COLORED AND UNDERLINED PART ABOUT FLESH AND HELL!

brocab:
What dolphinheart failed to answer this one correctly. Does he ever answer any of them correctly?
Dolphinheart we know these websites are off limits for you, and the JW's don't approve you to read other sites that may lead you into the truth about Christ-but listen, no-one will know? But you need to understand One must be born again before he/she has anything to do with the divine nature. HE/SHE CAN NOT ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD WITHOUT BEING BORN AGAIN WHICH IS PART OF THE DIVINE NATURE.
If you chose not to listen to me, then at least give some thought and look into these web sites.
http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/2-peter-1-4.html
Look up this website below, and find out why your organisation won't educate you concerning the Word of God. http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/higher-education-university.php
Quote>Dolphinheart said>therefore brocab, divine nature cannot be in the flesh. Peter was still a mortal till he died, therefore he did not have divine nature till he died. Dolphinheart don't believe Paul as a man in the flesh was also filled with the Holy Spirit being a partaker of the divine nature before He died?
If Paul didn't have the Spirit of God, the divine, then how did he have it after he had died?
His flesh would end up in hell, where your flesh is heading.
Having God's divine nature Paul was transformed into heaven {Philippians 3:20-21}
Dolphinhearts second quote>therefore brocab you can have the holy spirit. Dolphinheart refuses to have the Spirit of God?
Isn't the Holy Spirit part of the Godhead the divine, and you refuse to have Him. No-wonder nothing you write makes any sense and your spirit is dead while trying to understand the scriptures.

For the benefit of doubt, brocab, PLS tell me
1. what did you mean with the statement : "His flesh would end up in hell, where your flesh is heading."
2. solite3, says he believes that soul and body go to hell, do you agree with him?

Readers, PLS note, that unlike theirs accusations, I did not alter, modify , delete parts of, or add to their sentence!. Secondly as you can see, I've given him an opportunity to explain his sentence and not try at all times to explain his words to him!

Us Christians have been warned about snakes like you, can I ask your mother to punch you right on your nose, and when you ask why she did that to you, she will say because I have a son like you.

PLS don't mention my mother okay!.

johnw74:
I'm not to interisted in your hell- spirit body-flesh body debate
else I would be in it with many scriptures

how can you be interested!
when truth is shown to you, you become not interested
you commented on the issue, but when questions that will expose you is being brought out, your interest dissapears!

but you are just getting away from answering my post on your blaspheming

it's here: https://www.nairaland.com/2720878/jehovahs-witnesses-17-facts-people/110#48043376

there was nothing to reply to
1. you could not post the full text of my post
2. you could not comment on "your god is two persons in one"
3. you could not show where you responded to my explanation on the scriptures you posted
4. on John 1:1, you could not respond to my post constructively when I talked about that verse, so why should I repeat myself!.

johnw74:
of course satan has no sense of humour either
like you false jw he is the great accuser.

wait till forgery is committed in your name, and you are told it's only homour.

lawyer John, your excuse is like catching a thief stealing your property and he says he is only playing with you!

solite3:
i simply believe the scriptures. Yes this earthly body will rot on earth. Since Jesus our Lord said both body and soul will be cast into hell then there must be bodies for those in hell.

Isaiah 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

Mark 9:44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Mark 9:46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Mark 9:48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

These verses suggest that those in hell will have a body.

yes you simply believe it, but you do not understand it!
@ bolded part of of isa 66:24, pls tell , who will go forth?

solite3:
Jehovah witnesses repent and believe in Jesus so that you don't ho to hell.
You think hell is not possible! Jesus has said it and every christian believes it don't wait to get there before you realise your folly!

are you saying that those who believed in jesus don't go to hell when they die?
pls tell us where they go to the moment they die!

solite3:
scared? I only pity you! I told you I agree with the bible that both soul and body go to hell.
Don't you agree with that verse?

brocab, can you see what your brother said?

Barristter07:
Brocab




are you aware of Nairaland Rule Number 8 : which says " don't post false information on Nairaland "

the below screenshot in which you quoted and Actually EDITED Jessichas post to seem she said what she didn't say is a falsification of evidence on your part. and I believe people like you should be look into by MR Seun and the mods because if you can do this in a small issue as this , who knows what you will do in a more critical issue . this is how it starts.


Later , you will say you are a so called born again . I can see , it really showed in you . posting false information about someone is rude and indecent behaviour on your part.




The original post by Jessicha is also included, to prove how dubious and the kind of person brocab is.

did not even see your post when I was accusing him of forgery, I've said months ago that his sole aim is to find fault by any means possible, he had lied, tried character assassination, defamation and now forgery.

brocab:
To save your endless time with your mocking spree over bible scriptures, then at least-dolphinheart since you have the biggest mouth-just show us in scripture where the rich man and Lazarus never died and was buried.

I never said they did not die, so why do you want me to start finding where they did not die for you!
The issue is if the spirit of man goes to hell at death and where does the soul and body go at death.

And while you are trying to figure this out, then make up your own story, and show us where in scripture it says the rich man and Lazarus were still alive when they went into Hades.

you are just trying to change the issue, the issue is about what happens to the soul, spirit and body when man dies, the part we are handling now is where each of this three go to at death!. get it?

Then explain your foolish lies to your fellow dumb dumb's, that you believe Hades never existed and the scripture is a miss print, because no-one can travel in Spirit either in heaven or in Hades after they die.

sir, pls where have made such a statement, where did I tell you that Hades never existed!
The other part of your statement: "because no-one can travel in Spirit either in heaven or in Hades after they die", are you atributin these words to me or you are trying to state facts?

And while you explain such statements try and back it up with the right scriptures, using other scriptures that doesn't match up is pointless stupidity.

how can I explain such statements that did not come from me!

Using {Matthew 10:28} God can kill the body and soul in Hell. Has nothing to do with {Luke 16:22-26} about the Rich man and Lazarus..Everyone knows God can destroy everything, but the story about the rich man God didn't kill his soul, But used it to tell this story, to help save a multitude.

@ bolded parts , you yourself can see how much you have shown yourself to be a liar with your own words. first it's only spirit that goes to hell, now you admit that souls also goes to hell, now you conclude it with God using the rich man's soul to tell this story. I wish for a day when you will stop fomulating different contradictory stories.
For others wanting to know about the tongue of the rich man, pls ask him if that tongue is soul or spirit or flesh!

brocab:
Well done good and faithful servant. How right you are, Praise the Lord for ever more.

see how low you have become, you have to commit forgery to pass your message across. why do you do such a thing and put jessicha name on it?

Jessicha:
the funniest thing about the underlined is that the ressurection hasn't occur yet. just contradicting himself here and there

you can see their contradictions, brocab says only spirit goes to heLL, solite3 shows a verse that talks about soul being destroyed in hell, brocab had once indicated flesh going to hell!. its either they don't know what hell is or they are just using it in different ways to suit their false doctrines.
watch , they will soon indicate that the soul, body and spirit seperate at death and converge together in hell.

johnw74:
Rev 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
Rev 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
Rev 1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
Rev 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.


John described the Spirit body of the Angel of the Lord:
white head and hair, eyes as a flame of fire, feet like fine brass,
his tongue also would have been spirit, perhaps you think it would have been flesh and blood

@jessicha, dolphinheart, jozzy4:
Jud 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

@ solite3, look at the bolded, do you believe spirits have bodies?
@ solite3, do you believe humans have this kind of body after they die?
@ Johnw74, this body that you say the angel has, is it the same as the one the rich man has in hell?
@johnw74, (concerning second bolded above )look at brocabs own words posted about the flesh and hell.
11:27pm, June 17, page 96 of these thread, brocab said thus :
"His flesh would end up in hell, where you flesh is heading"
so do you believe brocab, do you believe flesh goes to hell?

Presbulg:
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Ignoramus. If you had any idea about what we was being discussed you wouldn't be spewing this trash.

Mohammed couldn't have known about these two seas. And that it was just recently discovered too. No body knew about this two seas until recently.

I'd like you to read how the Qu'ran talked about the formation of foetus. I'd like to see you try and lie your way through it. Just like you did with the two seas.

pls which two seas are you talking about, can you name them?

Jessicha:


OMG@ bold ! spiritual tongue
, what about the fire ? spiritual fire too ; D , spiritual Water , Spiritual Finger . mehn , religion is crazy.

so the whole story has a spiritual meaning after all , not to be taken literal anymore ?

he has forgotten what one of his so called brothers said about spirit and body

brocab:
If you are looking for some kind of an argument at least back it up with scriptures that matches {Matthew 19:28} because it is pointless trying to prove your point, without any back up.

I did not quote matthew 19:28 to you , unless you want to use that verse to show me that only spirit go to heLL.
Imy not arguing with you, I've already shown you that spirits don't go to heLl. I've also disected your explanations and I've shown you how false it is. You prefer to always add things to gods word, it did not , in any verse, ever tell you that spirits go to hell. The theory of spirits going to hell was formulated after realising that the false teachings about hell cannot stand without such fomuLation.
I know you and your runaway tactics, that's why I said you will not respond to that post.

But it seems you have laid down the law with {Luke 16:22-26} and it seems you believe the rich man and Lazarus was alive and well, when they both entered into Hades talking with each other across the lake of fire

fomulating false beliefs for me will not cover your false teachings sir!

Maybe you don't understand the meaning of death, when the bible said they both died, and was buried, and maybe you believe, how can one ask for water when one is dead. {You are dead in Spirit and you seem to drink water}

are we talking about death? no , we are talking about where the soul, spirit and body goes to when one dies. You have failed to use the scriptures to tell us where the spirit goes at death, even when you quoted the scriptures that told you what happens to the spirit at death, you prefer to change it , not believing what the scripture said, preferring to manipulate those words.
up till now , even after several times of reminding you, you refuse to tell where the body and soul goes at dead, using the scriptures to tell us will greatly affect your false doctrine, so you refused to answer that part of the question.

Well if you had listened in the first place, and if you had knowing the truth how the bible is written, I wouldn't be wasting my time with everybody else trying to explain it to you, all the time.
This is what I like about you dolphinheart you take one scripture out from the pile, and you think that one, answers all your questions? Well it doesn't.
It shows, like every other time, you still don't understand the scriptures, like {Matthew 19:28} Clearly enough to know what this scriptures about and why does God say don't fear Man because they can only kill the body, but they can't kill the soul, but fear God He can Kill the body and our souls, in Hell.

this is a clear example that you don't read the scriptures you mention. what does matthew 19:28 have to do with God Killing the body and soul in heLl?

As strange as it sounds, you don't even believe in Hell, but you are willing to use this scripture to use Hell as your tool to try and prove your theory, for what reason who knows

you are a very funny man, I would have told you my beliefs about hell, but it will divert from the issue at hand, something you badly want to do.
I will stick to the issue at hand. you say only spirits go to hell and refuse to tell us where the soul and body goes!, the scriptures posted by your so called brother has proved your belief to be false!

When someone follows after the bible dolphinheart we usually back it up with the following, but {Luke 16:22-26} God didn't kill the body and soul, matter of fact He had used Luke as a example, letting us know, we have a choice. We can end up in torment burning with fire in Hades, or we can end up with Christ and live in paradise with Him for eternity.

are you trying to prove jesus words wrong about killing body and soul?, or are you trying to say god will not kill any body and soul ?, choose your answer carefully.

{Revelation 20:7-10.13} Death means a separation of existence from the body, not non existence, even the souls in Hades are put back into their resurrected bodies, to be judged for their works. Not only are they alive in Hades in the Spirit, they are also alive in Heaven {Revelation 6:9} tells us the souls of the dead saints cry to the Lord, to be avenged.

even though your statement are full of false teachings, I'll just bring out the one relevant to the issue at hand. your own words have shown your teachings to be false about only spirits going to hell.
" even the souls in Hades are put back into their resurrected bodies"

maybe your next move is to now claim that Hades is different from hell, that spirits go to hell and souls go to Hades!.

brocab:
I really don't how your mind works, I don't think you know either. How does {Matthew 10:28} line up with [Luke 16:22-26}

you are always trying to change the issues
did you not say only spirits go to heLl?
you are very much afraid to quote matt 10:28 and tell the whole world , what you understand their.
King James Version
Mt 10:28And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

your so called brother has quoted a verse that shows all your explanations that that it's the rich man's spirit that went to hell to be false. such theories can only come up when you do not read the scriptures.
solite3, do you believe only man's spirit goes to hell?, I don't think so (pls notice if he will answer)
Johnw74, do you you believe that jesus is same person as the father?, I don't think so(pls also notice if he will answer)

they have different beliefs, yet they are brothers as long as their different beliefs is different from that of a jehovahs witness.

you guys can see that im right when I said that brocab will not respond to our discussion on where the spirit goes at death.