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solite3:
how will they touch on those scriptures when you are not sincere?
U dolphinheart ran away from the other thread because you want to avoid the truth.
If the truth is cutting your heart, check yourself.
U are here ranting!

sir, which thread are you referring to, or is it the thread where I mentioned you three times, told you I mentioned you and even went further to repostthe posts again for you to see, yet you did not respond to any of them, is it that thread you are talking about?

imagine the excuse, my perceived insincerity prevents you from explainING your own view of certain scriptures!

DoctorAlien:
Dolphinheart,

The concept of trinity can be exemplified by water in its three states: solid ice, liquid water and gaseous water vapor. Yet, these three are the same. There are not three waters but one water in three different states.

sir, I find this interesting, for your explanation does not support the concept of trinity at all, unless you have your own definition of trinity which might be different from others.
water(H2O) cannot exist in the 3 states at once, unless you have 3 different body of water that exist in the liquid, solid and gaseous state. then if that is the case, you will have three different body of water, applying that to trinity means you have 3 gods and not one God.

on the other hand, if you are using it to mean that God can exist in those different state(as water can do so), it ,means that the other two states will not exist whiLe one state is in existence. Water cannot be solid and gas at the same time.

thirdly , the three states are not the same, as they eX hi bit different characteristics physically, chemically and anycally.

fourth, if an external force acts upon H2O, it can change its state from liquid to solid,but the father cannot change to Jesus or can he?

fifth, water is a compound made up of two elements, is God a compound made up of two elements?

Though the word "Trinity" is not mentioned in the Bible, the concept of Trinity is a very biblical one. Consider this: "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. " 1 Jn. 5:7. Of course, we know that Jesus Christ is the Word.

sir, 1st , you did not tell us what trinity is, does trinity mean the three that bear witness in heaven?

Secondly, I checked the verse you mentioned and found out that the words you quoted cannot be found their, I checked several other translations too and found out that most of them do not have such words(despite the fact that the authors believed in trinity)
here is a list of those translations, you could check it out urself
[b]New International Version
For there are three that testify:

New Living Translation
So we have these three witnesses--

English Standard Version
For there are three that testify:

Berean Study Bible
For there are three that testify:

Berean Literal Bible
For there are three bearing testimony:

New American Standard Bible
For there are three that testify:

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For there are three that testify:

International Standard Version
For there are three witnesses —

NET Bible
For there are three that testify,

New Heart English Bible
For there are three who testify:

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And The Spirit testifies because The Spirit is the truth.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
There are three witnesses:

New American Standard 1977
And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

American Standard Version
And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

Darby Bible Translation
For they that bear witness are three:

English Revised Version
And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

Weymouth New Testament
For there are three that give testimony-- the Spirit, the water, and the blood;

World English Bible
For there are three who testify:[/b]

yes there are some few translations who added the words you quoted, but further study has shown that those words where not written by John but are spurious additions added later. Furthermore a study of what that verse is trying to say shows those words are not there.
Also being one does not mean you are one God!

Also, to suggest that Jesus Christ is not GOD will be contradicting the Scriptures. Consider this: "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given...and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty GOD, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace" Isa. 9:6. Here, Jesus is clearly called GOD. Ascribing to Jesus any status lower than this would be contrary to the Scriptures.

Now we understand in part, but then we shall know fully.

GOD bless you.

1. hope you saw the part which says "shall be called"
2. I believe the God I'm referring to has been well layed out in the scriptures I quoted and the explanation I've given. The scriptures says there are many called gods, the God Im referring to is the almighty god!, jesus is not the almighty god ,nor is he equal to the Almighty God.
trinity makes jesus and the father to be equal, but the scriptures teaches that jesus is subjected to the father!

They could not touch or respond to those scriptures quoted, they will give it all kind of names, but will not touch those scriptures, nor explain them

Now let's look at some of the things the scriptures said about jesus.
let's start with some prophecies about him
1. Jehovah(the Almighty god,the god of isreal) was talking to moses about a future event, please read below:
De 18:18 I will raise up for them from the midst of their brothers a prophet like you, and I will put my words in his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him.

It is clear from this reading that the prophet raised up is not jehovah, as it is evident from the underlined part of that verse that jehovah is not talking about himself, so who is the prophet.
The scripture helps us to know that the prophet is jesus, look at the scriptures below:
Ex 34:28And he remained there with Jehovah 40 days and 40 nights. He ate no bread and drank no water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.
Mt 4:1, 2Then Jesus was led by the spirit up into the wilderness to be tempted by the Devil.
2[u]After he had fasted for 40 days and 40 nights,[/u] he felt hungry.

Nu 12:3Now the man Moses was by far the meekest of all the men on the face of the earth.
Mt 11:29Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am mild-tempered and lowly in heart, and you will find refreshment for yourselves.

Joh 5:46In fact, if you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me.

Jesus also comfirmed severally the other part of the verse, which tells us that jehovah will put his words in the prophets mouth and command him what to say, look at this verses below:
Joh 17:8 because I have given them the sayings that you gave me, and they have accepted them and have certainly come to know that I came as your representative, and they have believed that you sent me.
Joh 12:49For I have not spoken of my own initiative, but the Father who sent me [color=red]has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak.

CONCLUSION: (A)Jesus is not jehovah, since jehovah is the Almighty god, then we know that jesus is not the Almighty god
(B)The Almighty god cannot be commanded.

2. prophet isaiah made many prophesies from jehovah that where fulfilled by jesus, here is one of them:
Isa 42:1Look! My SERVANT, whom I support! My chosen one, whom I have approved! I have put my spirit in him; He will bring justice to the nations.
hope you noticed what jehovah called this one, he called him "my servant". Now for jesus to fulfill this prophecy, he will have to be (a)chosen by god,(b)approved (c)god will have to put his spirit in him,(d) will bring justice to the nations, did jesus fulfill such prophecy to indicate he was the one jehovah was refering to? Yes, look at the verses below:
(a)chosen by God
Lu 9:35Then a voice came out of the cloud, saying: “This is my Son, the one who has been chosen. Listen to him.”
*Jehovah said we must listen to the prophet too.

(b) approved by God
Mt 3:17Look! Also, a voice from the heavens said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.”

(c)God will have to put his spirit upon him
[b]Isa 61:1 The spirit of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah is upon me, Because Jehovah anointed me to declare GOOD NEWS to the meek. He sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives And the wide opening of the eyes to the prisoners,
Mt 3:16After being baptized, Jesus immediately came up from the water; and look! the heavens were opened up, and he saw God’s spirit descending like a dove and coming upon him.

(d) Bring justice to the nation's
Joh 5:22 For the Father judges no one at all, but he has entrusted all the judging to the Son,
Ac 17:31Because he has set a day on which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and he has provided a guarantee to all men by resurrecting him from the dead.”
2Co 5:10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of the Christ, so that each one may be repaid according to the things he has practiced while in the body, whether good or bad.

To finally confirm that jesus is the servant God is refering to, let's look at what Matthew said about that prophecy
Mt 12:15-18Having come to know this, Jesus departed from there. Many also followed him, and he cured them all,16but he sternly ordered them not to make him known,17 in order to fulfill what was spoken through Isaiah the prophet, who said:18“Look! My servant whom I chose, my beloved, whom I have approved! I will put my spirit upon him, and what justice is he will make clear to the nations.
plus notice that this prophecies where made before jesus became flesh o!


3. let us look at one more prophecy made by Jehovah through isaiah
Isa 52:13 Look! MY SERVANT will act with insight. He will be raised up high, He will be elevated and greatly exalted.

Now was this prophecy about jesus?, did it have fulfillment in jesus? The answer is yes, look at the following scriptures.
Ac 2:32, 33God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses.33Therefore, [color=red]because he was exalted to the right hand of Godand received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out what you see and hear.
* note jesus cannot be at God's right hand and still be the God he is at the right hand of!
also jesus cannot be God who resurrected him, God did not resurrect himself.

Php 2:9For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name,

look at this verses very well
Eph 1:17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him.
Eph 1:19and how surpassing the greatness of his power is toward us believers. It is according to the operation of the mightiness of his strength,
Eph 1:20, 21 [color=red]which he exercised toward Christ when he raised him up from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, 21far above every government and authority and power and lordship and every name that is named, not only in this system of things but also in that to come.[/b]

with this prophecies and it's fulfillment , we now know the part jesus played in God's wonderful plan for us. more importantly , we now know who God is and who his servant.

DO NOT LISTEN TO PEOPLE WHO TRY TO MAKE YOU UNDERSTAND A DOCTRINE THEY THEMSELVE CLAIM YOU CANT UNDERSTAND!

to be continued..........

dolphinheart:
1. Joh 14:28You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is GREATER than I am.
THE FATHER IS GREATER THAN JESUS.

2. Joh 14:31But for the world to know that I love the Father, I am doing just as the Father has commanded me to do. Get up, let us go from here.
THE FATHER COMMANDS JESUS

3. Ac 2:32, 33 God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses. 33Therefore, because he was exalted to the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out what you see and hear
Ac 7:55 But he, being full of holy spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus STANDING at God’s right hand,
GOD RESURRECTED JESUS, JESUS IS AT GOD'S RIGHT HAND.

4. Joh 14:12Most truly I say to you, whoever exercises faith in me will also do the works that I do; and he will do works greater than these, because I am going my way to the Father.
Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”
JESUS HAS A FATHER, THE FATHER OF JESUS IS OUR FATHER
JESUS HAS A GOD , THE GOD OF JESUS IS OUR GOD.

NO WONDER THE DISCIPLES COULD SAY
2Co 1:3 Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of tender mercies and the God of all comfort,


5. Joh 16:28I came as the Father’s representative and have come into the world. Now I am leaving the world and am going to the Father.”[/blue]
Joh 3:16“ [color=blue]For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life
Ro 8:32 Since he did not even spare his own Son but handed him over for us all, will he not also, along with him, kindly give us all other things?
1Jo 4:9, 10By this the love of God was revealed in our case, that God sent his only-begotten Son into the world so that we might gain life through him.10The love is in this respect, not that we have loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins.[/blue]
JESUS WAS SENT BY GOD, GOD DID NOT SEND HIMSELF!

6. 1Co 11:3But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, [color=blue]the head of the Christ is God.
JESUS IS NOT HIS OWN HEAD!

7. Joh 13:3So Jesus, knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands and that he came from God and was going to God,
Heb 9:24For Christ did not enter into a holy place made with hands, which is a copy of the reality, but into heaven itself, so that he now appears before Godon our behalf.
GOD DID NOT APPEAR BEFORE GOD!

EVEN IN HEAVEN
Re 3:2Become watchful, and strengthen the things remaining that were ready to die, for I have not found your works fully performed before my God
Re 3:12“‘The one who conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name.


FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH, AS THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN TRINITY TO EXPLAIN WHO IS THE "SOMEONE LIKE A SON OF MAN" AND WHO IS THE "ANCIENT OF DAYS"
Da 7:13“I kept watching in the visions of the night, and look! with the clouds of the heavens, someone like a son of man was coming; and he gained access to [color]the Ancient of Days, and they brought him up close before that One.[/color]
Da 7:14And to him there were given rulership, honor, and a kingdom, that the peoples, nations, and language groups should all serve him. His rulership is an everlasting rulership that will not pass away, and his kingdom will not be destroyed.



WHO ALONE IS THE MOST HIGH GOD?
Ps 83:18May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth.[/blue]


WHO IS JESUS IN RELATION TO THE MOST HIGH?
Lu 1:32This one will be great and will be [color=blue]called Son of the Most High, and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father,


HONEST PEOPLE BACK THEN KNOW THE TRUTH
Mt 27:54But when the army officer and those with him keeping watch over Jesus saw the earthquake and the things happening, they grew very much afraid and said: “Certainly this was God’s Son.”
Joh 1:49Na·thanʹa·el responded: “Rabbi, you are the Son of God, you are King of Israel.”

EVEN THE DEMONS KNOW WHO JESUS IS
Lu 8:28At the sight of Jesus, he cried out and fell down before him, and with a loud voice, he said: “What have I to do with you, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg you, do not torment me.”


I will not serve a trinity , I will follow the scriptures:
1Co 8:5For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,”
1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
IF JESUS IS NOT THE FATHER, THEN JESUS IS NOT OUR ONE GOD

1Ti 2:5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,


Mal 2:10“Do we not all have one father? Was it not one God who created us? So why do we deal treacherously with one another, profaning the covenant of our forefathers?

JESUS HIMSELF SAID :
Mt 23:9Moreover, do not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly One.
Mt 23:10Neither be called leaders, for your Leader is one, the Christ.


DO NOT LISTEN TO PEOPLE WHO TELL YOU TRINITY IS IMPOSSIBLE TO UNDER STANDING, YET THEY ARE TRYING TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOU!

HOPE YOU NOTICED THEY CAN NEVER TOUCH OR EXPLAIN THE SCRIPTURES QUOTED ABOVE.

1. De 6:4“Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah
the above is what the is realities believe, they do not believe their god is made up of multiple persons.

Isa 42:8 I am Jehovah. That is my name; I give my glory to no one else, Nor my praise to graven images.
Mr 12:29Jesus answered: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah,
Mr 12:32 The scribe said to him: “Teacher, you spoke well, in line with truth, ‘He is One, and there is no other besides him’;
*no other beside HIM!, and not no other beside them!(more than one person)
1Co 8:6 [color=blue]there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
Isa 45:21Make your report, present your case. Let them consult together in unity. Who foretold this long ago And declared it from times past? Is it not I, Jehovah? There is no other God but me; A righteous God and a Savior, there is none besides me.
Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah”. Israel had just been liberated from Egypt, where Osiris, Isis, and Horus —one of a number of triads of gods—were worshipped. Therefore, Israel was commanded to worship just one God. How important was it for people to understand this command?

2. Isa 45:5 I am Jehovah, and there is no one else. There is no God except me. I will strengthen you, although you did not know me

3. [b]1Co 8:4Now concerning the eating of food offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world and that there is no God but one.
UNDER THE SAME CONTEXT, IN THE SAME CHAPEL, BY THE SAME PERSON, WE ARE TOLD WHO THAT ONE GOD IS! READ BELOW:

1Co 8:4-6 Now concerning the eating of food offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world and that there is no God but one.
1Co 8:5For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,”
1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
JESUS IS NOT THE FATHER!

1Ti 2:5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus
Mt 23:9Moreover, do not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly One.

4. Mt 3:16After being baptized, Jesus immediately came up from the water; and look! the heavens were opened up, and he saw God’s spirit descending like a dove and coming upon him.
Mt 3:17Look! Also, a voice from the heavens said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.”
THE VOICE FROM HEAVEN CALLED JESUS HIS SON!
THE VOICE FROM HEAVEN APPROVED JESUS, ALMIGHTY GOD DOES NOT NEED APPROVAL!

Isa 11:1A twig will grow out of the stump of Jesʹse, And a sprout from his roots will bear fruit.
sa 11:2 And the spirit of Jehovah will settle upon him, The spirit of wisdom and of understanding, The spirit of counsel and of mightiness, The spirit of knowledge and of the fear of Jehovah.
Mr 1:10, 11And immediately on coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens being parted and, like a dove, the spirit coming down upon him.
11And a voice came out of the heavens: “You are my Son, the beloved; I have approved you.”
Lu 4:18“ Jehovah’s spirit is upon me, because he anointed me to declare good news to the poor. He SENT me to proclaim liberty to the captives and a recovery of sight to the blind, to send the crushed ones away free,
JESUS IS SENT BY JEHOVAH, JESUS IS NOT JEHOVAH!

Joh 1:32John also bore witness, saying: “I viewed the spirit coming down as a dove out of heaven, and it remained upon him.
isa 42:1 Look! My servant, whom I support! My chosen one, whom I have approved! I have put my spirit in him; He will bring justice to the nations.
GOD DID NOT SAY HE PUT HIS SPIRIT IN HIMSELF

Ac 10:38 about Jesus who was from Nazʹa·reth, how God anointed him with holy spirit and power, and he went through the land doing good and healing all those oppressed by the Devil, because God was with him.

5. Mt 28:19Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit,
* pls ask those who believe in trinity:
1. how to they babtize in that name
2. what is that name
3. give a biblical and present example of such babtising.

6. Joh 10:30I and the Father are one.”
JESUS DID NOT SAY "I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE GOD".

joh 10:29 What my Father HAS GIVEN ME is something greater than all other things, and no one can snatch them out of the hand of the Father.
Joh 10:30I and the Father are one.”
Joh 10:38But if I am doing them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, so that you may come to know and may continue knowing that the Father is in union with me and I am in union with the Father.”
Joh 17:11“I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, watch over them on account of your own name, which you have given me, so that they may be one JUST AS we are one.
THE SAME ONENESS THAT APPLIES TO THE DISCIPLES APPLIES TO JESUS AND HIS FATHER TOO!

Joh 17:21so that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with US, so that the world may believe that you sent me

7. Joh 14:9Jesus said to him: “Even after I have been with you men for such a long time, Philip, have you not come to know me? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father also. How is it you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
IS JESUS THE FATHER? NOOOO!

Joh 12:45 and whoever sees me sees also THE ONE who sent me.
Joh 12:49For I have not spoken of my own initiative, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak.
Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;
(compare: Ge 5:3Adam lived for 130 years and then became father to a son in his likeness, in his image, and he named him Seth.)

Heb 1:1Long ago God spoke to our forefathers by means of the prophets on many occasions and in many ways.
Heb 1:2 Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things.
Heb 1:3 He is the reflection of God’s glory and the exact representation of his very being, and he sustains all things by the word of his power. And after he had made a purification for our sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.[/blue]
THE SCRIPTURES HAS EXPLAINED WHO JESUS IS!

UNDERSTAND WHAT JESUS SAID
Joh 14:6-11Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. [color=blue]No one COME to the Father except through me.
7 If you men had known me, you would have known my Father also; from this moment on you know him and have seen him.”
8 Philip said to him: “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.”
Joh 14:9Jesus said to him: “Even after I have been with you men for such a long time, Philip, have you not come to know me? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father also. How is it you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
10 Do you not believe that I am in union with the Father and the Father is in union with me? The things I say to you I do not speak of my own originality, but the Father who remains in union with me is doing his works.
Joh 14:11Believe me that I am in union with the Father and the Father is in union with me; otherwise, believe because of the works themselves.
read joh 1:4, Joh 17:3 ,Ro 6:23, Ac 4:1, Mt 11:27, Joh 1:18,
Joh 5:36But I have the witness greater than that of John, for the very works that my Father assigned me to accomplish, these works that I am doing, bear witness that the Father sent me.

8. Ro 8:9,11 However, you are in harmony, not with the flesh, but with the spirit, if God’s spirit truly dwells in you. But if anyone does not have Christ’s spirit, this person does not belong to him.
11If, now, the spirit of him who raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the one who raised up Christ Jesus from the dead will also make your mortal bodies alive through his spirit that resides in you.
THE HOLY SPIRIT BELONGS TO THE FATHER.

9.[b] Mt 1:20But after he had thought these things over, look! Jehovah’s angel appeared to him in a dream, saying: “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take your wife Mary home, for what has been conceived in her is by holy spirit.

Lu 1:35 In answer the angel said to her: “Holy spirit will come upon you, and power of the Most High will overshadow you. And for that reason the one who is born will be [color=blue]called holy, GOD'S SON!

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1. Joh 14:28You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is GREATER than I am.
THE FATHER IS GREATER THAN JESUS.

2. Joh 14:31But for the world to know that I love the Father, I am doing just as the Father has commanded me to do. Get up, let us go from here.
THE FATHER COMMANDS JESUS

3. Ac 2:32, 33 God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses. 33Therefore, because he was exalted to the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out what you see and hear
Ac 7:55 But he, being full of holy spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus STANDING at God’s right hand,
GOD RESURRECTED JESUS, JESUS IS AT GOD'S RIGHT HAND.

4. Joh 14:12Most truly I say to you, whoever exercises faith in me will also do the works that I do; and he will do works greater than these, because I am going my way to the Father.
Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”
JESUS HAS A FATHER, THE FATHER OF JESUS IS OUR FATHER
JESUS HAS A GOD , THE GOD OF JESUS IS OUR GOD.

NO WONDER THE DISCIPLES COULD SAY
2Co 1:3 Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of tender mercies and the God of all comfort,


5. Joh 16:28I came as the Father’s representative and have come into the world. Now I am leaving the world and am going to the Father.”[/blue]
Joh 3:16“ [color=blue]For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life
Ro 8:32 Since he did not even spare his own Son but handed him over for us all, will he not also, along with him, kindly give us all other things?
1Jo 4:9, 10By this the love of God was revealed in our case, that God sent his only-begotten Son into the world so that we might gain life through him.10The love is in this respect, not that we have loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins.[/blue]
JESUS WAS SENT BY GOD, GOD DID NOT SEND HIMSELF!

6. 1Co 11:3But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, [color=blue]the head of the Christ is God.
JESUS IS NOT HIS OWN HEAD!

7. Joh 13:3So Jesus, knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands and that he came from God and was going to God,
Heb 9:24For Christ did not enter into a holy place made with hands, which is a copy of the reality, but into heaven itself, so that he now appears before Godon our behalf.
GOD DID NOT APPEAR BEFORE GOD!

EVEN IN HEAVEN
Re 3:2Become watchful, and strengthen the things remaining that were ready to die, for I have not found your works fully performed before my God
Re 3:12“‘The one who conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name.


FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH, AS THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN TRINITY TO EXPLAIN WHO IS THE "SOMEONE LIKE A SON OF MAN" AND WHO IS THE "ANCIENT OF DAYS"
Da 7:13“I kept watching in the visions of the night, and look! with the clouds of the heavens, someone like a son of man was coming; and he gained access to [color]the Ancient of Days, and they brought him up close before that One.[/color]
Da 7:14And to him there were given rulership, honor, and a kingdom, that the peoples, nations, and language groups should all serve him. His rulership is an everlasting rulership that will not pass away, and his kingdom will not be destroyed.



WHO ALONE IS THE MOST HIGH GOD?
Ps 83:18May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth.[/blue]


WHO IS JESUS IN RELATION TO THE MOST HIGH?
Lu 1:32This one will be great and will be [color=blue]called Son of the Most High, and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father,


HONEST PEOPLE BACK THEN KNOW THE TRUTH
Mt 27:54But when the army officer and those with him keeping watch over Jesus saw the earthquake and the things happening, they grew very much afraid and said: “Certainly this was God’s Son.”
Joh 1:49Na·thanʹa·el responded: “Rabbi, you are the Son of God, you are King of Israel.”

EVEN THE DEMONS KNOW WHO JESUS IS
Lu 8:28At the sight of Jesus, he cried out and fell down before him, and with a loud voice, he said: “What have I to do with you, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg you, do not torment me.”


I will not serve a trinity , I will follow the scriptures:
1Co 8:5For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,”
1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
IF JESUS IS NOT THE FATHER, THEN JESUS IS NOT OUR ONE GOD

1Ti 2:5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,


Mal 2:10“Do we not all have one father? Was it not one God who created us? So why do we deal treacherously with one another, profaning the covenant of our forefathers?

JESUS HIMSELF SAID :
Mt 23:9Moreover, do not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly One.
Mt 23:10Neither be called leaders, for your Leader is one, the Christ.


DO NOT LISTEN TO PEOPLE WHO TELL YOU TRINITY IS IMPOSSIBLE TO UNDER STANDING, YET THEY ARE TRYING TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOU!

udatso:
Sir you clearly know how to prolong issues. I am beginning to think you are always gonna have a reply for me whether it takes us forward or not.

you responded to my post, but I'm the one prolonging issues.
you ask me a question, if I answer I'm prolonging issues.
The right to express my views is also termed and prolonging issues.

I am glad we both agree on this
Then why pretend like we were just accusing them wrongly?

who is "we"?
I believe I've said that I'm not defending anybody!

if after checking out these evidences, you are still asking these questions, i am beginning to regret while i even replied you in this first place. I thought you were different.

your thought of me does not alter my point.
I cannot control your emotional response to your actions.
those questions where important, one needs to know the accuracy and truthfulness of an evidence.

So after looking at the evidences, you are now shifting the goal post to why the evidences was given? perhaps who gave the evidences or on what occasion were they given?

I'm I supposed to accept evidence because someone made a statement and said they where evidence? no
, like I said , I just don't take sides because someone said something.
These same view apply to the three when they make statements about muslims.

Actually you are. Its been established that even though some muslims have taken advantage to speak ill of some christians in general(Its not like christians are not guilty of this too), that wasnt the aim of the thread. If that is what upsets you, i apologise on their behalf. Now can we face the issue here?

no problem, yes we can now talk about the issue, I'll say what I think about it.

Their views are out there for everyone to see.
Truthman believes a muslim or a catholic is an idol worshiper and will burn in hell if he doesnt repent.
He has been trying to save the muslims by his numerous threads insulting all that muslims hold dear. Can you provide us a link were he has done same with respect to catholics? Let me reduce the task for you, he doesnt have to mention anyone. Just a thread he created adresssing the issue.

if he is trying to save through insult, I don't support or agree with that!
I believe the task should be directed to thruthman, if he cannot provide such link or post(s), I believe he should state a reason why. I'm not here to defend anyone or accuse anyone.
Note,, he has a right to determine who and what he creates a thread about, but it's from such actions and subsequent explanation of such actions that he will be exermined and his personality determined.

Can you mention any 3 muslims who make it a hobby to create at least topics about christianity everyday?

no, I can't , but that does not negate anyone's right to do such.
my interest does not go beyond what they posted when creating the thread, I just read it and draw my own conclusions. some times I agree with their post, sometimes I totally disagree with what they posted.
my statement was not about who does the attack and accusation more, my statement was that both sides attack and accuse each other.

You only see what your eyes want to see
How can life be what you want it to be
You're frozen
When your heart's not open[color=#000099][/color]

I'm asking questions sir, does that mean I'm not interested in seeing other people's views?

First why dont you give us links of topic any of them created to address the issue? NOTE I am not requesting for a link where they talk to each other? All you have been doing so far is defend them.

again I state, I'm not defending anyone, my first post on these thread was to adress an issue that has no real relation to their actions or in actions.
pls don't ask me to defend anyone.

they are more enthusiastic in saving muslims from burning in hell but dont care about each other burning in hell.

if that is true, the it's sad.

To ensure that you dont give me a very long piece taking us backward, i will highlight the major point and question i asked:
[b]
1. You wanted evidences of the accusations and you were given these evidences only for you to start asking for circumstances and what have you. It was an attempt to further drag this issue longer than it deserves.

you misunderstood, I never wanted evidence, the evidence has been given in the statements, just wanted to know the truth about those statements(though I did not make any statement about such interest until I was forced to talk about the issue of the the 3)

2. If you were sincere you would have found the answers you require in those evidences which is why i gave you the madonna song.

you find answers after you are sure about the accuracy and correctness of the evidence, not before!

3.I have equally apologised on behalf of other muslims who might hae said anything offensive about christians in general since that wasnt the aim of this thread. hopefully you wont start talking about how other muslims talked about other christians.

I accept the apology, though I noticed such offensive behavior directed to me on this thread, one went as far as to posting pictures, but wunt take it any further.

[center] QUSETIONS [/center]
a. Can you mention any 3 muslims who make it a hobby to create at least topics about christianity everyday?
b. Give us links of topic any of them created to address the issue? NOTE I am not requesting for a link where they talk to each other?
[/b]

a. sorry , don't have such information
b. sorry , dnt have such information

Kxngstein:
Yh. I try not to

so if there is no hell fire, you would not have tried to serve God.

Rilwayne001:
Dolphinheart, you might want to check this https://www.nairaland.com/2640984/awakening-jehovahs-witnesses-dismantling-watchtower

I've checked it!

Demmzy15:
Parisbookaddict, true2god, truthmans2012, malvisguy212, dolphinheart if I want to be a Christian, which church can I go to so as I can attain salvation!

I will not tell you which church, denomination, group of people , organization to associate with. ill rather tell you to read the word of God first, try to know the requirements for salvation. If you know what to look for, you'll probably know where to find it. You will be in a better position to separate the truth from false.

udatso:
For someone who had time to read the comments of those turning this thread to an avenue to attack Christians and didn't see the evidence presented against the defendants, tells alot about your personality.
Go back to the first page and read the evidences. I really hate it when one keeps dragging issues back and forth.

yes, it does say a lot about my personality.
yes some evidence are presented, but are they true, correct, accurate? I don't just take sides because someone said something.
some times I try to look also at why such statements or evidences where given,(is it because of hate, envy, love, search for knowledge, to correct someone or just the need to find fault) it helps to understand how to view such evidences. sometimes some evidences are true but irrelevant.

I'm not dragging anything on the issue of the three, I've hardly said anything about them other than trying to get more info about the issue. my post has primarily been concentrated on how the issue about division in Christianity should be addressed, the three should not be used as yardstick. that is the only linknow between the issue of the three and my post.

If they have, it shouldn't be so difficult to give us a link.

I believe everyone knows some of their views on trinity, and I believe they got to know it through Nairaland, therefore their views should be out their, but that they should show it by directly mentioning each other is not necessary by my own understanding.
I'm still drawing up my view as to the main issue of the thread, that will be concluded after I shifted the wheat fromy the weed.

Go and check their posts where they attack Islam, at least one of them is always there to add his/her venom.

with what ive seen so far, same thing being done on these thread, same thing being done by some Muslims on Nairaland. pls, note,this is not a defense for their actions.

If these guys can join hands to call others to Christianity, whats wrong in asking them to tend to their internal wounds.

that boldeday part sir, is the big question, but before that can be answered one must first if the wound in internal or external, what the wound really is, one must also ask if they have done that and how they did it.

If they could prove that they talked about the issue, but you want them to talk to each other about the issue, then I need to ask why do you want it that way?

There are many other Christians on Nairaland. Did it ever occur to you why the focus is on these three? Malvisguy oladegbu backfire anas.09 and so many others attack Islam but why was this thread about these 3?

I've considered it, I think(not sure o) it's because they have more post about their views on Muslim and Islam than anyone else

Rilwayne001:
You don't pretend not to know the meaning and you answered no.. Smh! It seems you are confused. Don't you have Google

sorry for the misunderstanding sir!

Contrary to this, you are the one that are not getting what the pi was all about. Those whom it was created for got the message hence their running away from the thread, but on the other hand are just here to argue blindly since you enjoy irrelevant argument.

seems you already have an opinion of me. What I said is not irrelevant. my post was not based on the topic, and as you can see , ive not taken sides on the issue of the three(apart from trying to gather info and understand views),but it was based on what the topic was turning into. you don't look at the perceived division in Christianity based on the actions or inacations of three people.

Well, the OP's intention was not about Christianity rather about the 3 guys belief..

from what I've read , I think it's not about their belief but more about how they handle their beliefs and how they react to each others beliefs

And then I don't know when you turn the co owner of Nairaland that you start dishing out to members what to do, who to criticize and who not to. Maybe you should direct this your command to the atheist on this board or your fellow brothers who are always attacking Islam. Either way, thats your cuppa'.

my statement "therefore no one should attack/accuse/criticise Christianity based on division! hope you get me now" is not a command, I was just expressing my views. everyone , Irrespective of religious stand has a right to accept it or refuse it or do anything they want with it.
I do not think I have brothers who are always attacking Islam, maybe my definition of brother is different from yours!

The" we" here is general.

then reality has shown that "we" have dealt with their friends that they thought to have erred from the fold in variety of ways, from councElling to outright murder!.

Are you their spokesman? So because you know how to argue blindly you feel you can speak on anyone's behalf?

Durhh!

I'm not speaking on anyone's behalf, I just asked a simple question in which the answer will help one to understand the relationship between these three: are they friend?

[s]You are obviously confused. :
Turning a blind eye?

turning a blind eye to what?, look at what i said again: "well, this is not the point I brought up in my first post, but I do wish they could answer if your statement is true or not, I don't have a record or details as to all they do, so I can't say all their time is dedicated to Muslim issues.

And what have you done to correct those who are still following those translations that have errors?

you can go through my posts to see what I've done. I've pointed some of those verses out and given(with facts and evidence) my views on them.

A guy opened a thread as regards 1 John 5:7 one thing was found in what he quoted and another is in the Bible the Jehovah witness use, yet you were nowhere to be found on that thread to prove him wrong, and below you are talking about facts, what facts exactly

I do not see all the threads on the religious section or any other section on Nairaland, if that thread do exist, I don't know if I've read or not. maybe if you can give more details about the thread , then I can give more details.
Secondly, it's not a must that I must respond to all issues I have contrary opinion with on Nairaland.
have I ever shared my views about 1 John 5:7?, yes!, many times!, so not doing so in one thread does not mean a thing.

No one is saying that you should condemn them to hell, but since you believe they have err in some cases, what and what have you done to guide them back to true Christianity you believe you are doing?

I try to discuss the issue with them anytime I have the opportunity to do so.
I try to first learn why they think it's me that have erred , then try to reason with them(if they are reasonable persons). you can go check my posts, the facts are their.

what makes you think that what you are seeing is indeed the right thing?

you examine what you have learnt with what they tell you, you ask questions about it and draw up a sincere conclusion based on things presented.

THERE is and your opinion doesn't change anything.

yes, there might be fire in a house!

udatso:
dolphinheart
If you really want to compare. Do the following
1. Pick any three Muslims that are constantly bash christianity in collabo

2. Bring out the differences in their Islam assuming there is

3. Check to see if they have addressed each other about these differences (shia, Sunni or whatever)

4. If they have, then you have nothing to compare.

5. If they haven't Then Create a thread as this and expose their hypocrisy just as these three have been exposed

sir, I did not post my first post because of those three. I posted it because some have turned their issues with those three to attacking christianity in general, emphasising the so called division in christianity rather the actions of the three.
If I had digressed from the issue at hand, I apologise, but I did it cus of the digress I noticed before my post.

In conclusion I still state: he who want to attack christianity based on so called divisions should do so if their is no division in his own religion.

udatso:
I am going to reply you while you wait for his reply


I think you are changing the issue at hand here to a more general sense. Even as at that, I will handle it.

these part was brought up cus some have turned from talking about the three monikers the op mentioned to attacking Christianity and it's so called divisions.

It is true Sunnis see shias as misguided and so does shias. Go to Islam section and see lots of post by albaq.ir, shiamus.lim (shia). He doesn't hide or sugarcoat in telling Sunnis that we are misguided. And so does new.nas lexiconka.bir and other brothers exposing the misguidance in shia.
The challenge is we don't pretend like we don't have a difference.
These three mentioned in the Op have only one aim in Nairaland, to talk about Islam and expose the falsehood in it. These three independently see falsheood in each others christianity but they have never tried to call each other to the true christianity.
I hope you understand this now

pls note, I'm not defending anybody, but pls tell, how did you know that they see falsehood in each others christianity if they never mentioned it on nairaland, or if they never tried to call each other to the true christianity?.
for you to know there stand on their views of others who claim to be christians, it means they must have mentioned it, if only once while the talk about Muslims the 99 times.(pls don't take this statement as fact)

Once again. stay on the topic. The question remains truthman is not fine with annunakis christianity and he has not seen it fit to correct his brother. Annunaki sees parisbook and truthman as people who wrongly see Jesus as God but has said nothing to correct them both.
Truthman also sees parisbook (a Catholic) as idol worshiper but kept mute.
Have they been quiet because they would rather see each other born in hell fire than see Muslims born for eternity?

I believe I can now see the issue at hand, you expect Annunaki to correct parisbook directly and personaly instead of correcting the division she belongs to.
I believe there is more joy for some if these three accuse each other individually, they will be happy, not because of the attempt to correct each other, but for the manifestation of division between them. well, Unless the situation Comes up, I don't see the need for that.
again I ask, how did you know about how they see these things if they have kept mute and not talk about it.

There are thousands and thousands of catholics on nairaland, if Annunaki sees or thinks something is wrong with catholics, correcting Parisbook will not solve the issue, but directing the corrections to catholics in general can! note same applies to parisbook if she has the same issue with protestants(assuming Annunaki is one)

It's true the issue of Trinity has been discussed but I challenge you to give me a link where these three or at least just two of them have tried to let the other see the error in their ways?
The question isn't about division but about hypocrisy of these three.

now there is a difference between talking about about an issue the other person believes in and and talking directly to the other person about the issues he or she believes in.
If there is evidence to show that parisbook talked to others about trinity, why do you want evidence to show that parisbook talked to Annunaki about trinity!, is that the way it's done?

Rilwayne001:
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Oga, you are just squelching. Maybe you don't get the point or that I don't get yours, but as long as what you wrote above is concerned you are just retorting.

no sir, no squelshing(wateva it means), if you had read my initial posts, you would have understood my line of thought.

No one is denying the fact that there are division in every religion, the point is what are we doing to correct our friends that we thought to have err from the fold? As you can see annunaki's post up there, he said his mission is to remove the log in the eyes of the Muslims (this same objective is what we known truthman2012 and parisbookaddict for) while he hold on to the view that his fellows have been misguided. they as well hold this same view about is belief.

1. since no one is denying the fact that there are divisions in every religion, therefore no one should attack/accuse/criticise Christianity based on division! hope you get me now.
2. pls who is "we" that you used up there. does the word "we" refer to christians or Muslims or just people generally(there is a reason for asking)
3. "correct our friends"? , are they friends?, that some of their beliefs(not all) are similar does not mean they are friends, even having a common goal or enemy does not certify friendship. once you tell who "we" are, we can have a better understanding on if they are friends or not.

The point is why are they not trying to correct their fellows that are misguided instead of attacking Muslims all the time? Could it be that they love the Muslims than their fellows to the extent that they will prefer to see their fellows burn in hell rather that a Muslim? We all know the answer though.

well, this is not the point I brought up in my first post, but I do wish they could answer if your statement is true or not, I don't have a record or details as to all they do, so I can't say all their time is dedicated to Muslim issues.

The Same thing applies to you; you believe their Bible has errors they believe yours does too..Who is fooling who?

I do not believe there is error in the bible, I do believe their is error in some translations.
and I do support my beliefs with facts.
secondly, I've never condemned anyone to hell cus I don't have the power or authority to do so.
The only one being fooled is the one who sees the right thing but believes the wrong thing is the right thing to do.

Like a brother rightly put it .. who quenches the fire of another's house when he has refused to quench his?

that's if their is fire in his house!

dolphinheart:
1. are you saying that even though it's true that their is a division, their is still a difference in how the two religion handle the differences? or what is this thing that their is a difference.
For sure , if you agree with me that their is a division, then we could move on to to the differences with the division between the religions.

2. Sir I do not believe in sugarcoatING issues and hiding the underlying but real events.
pls answer my question
A. all shia believes as long as you are a sunni and you follow sunni teachings, you are misguided, not so?, (you can change the words "shi'a" and "sunni" and replace the with each other)
B. pls tell , what will be the outcome of a misguided Muslim who does not change to become shi'a or sunni?hell?

3. Sir I asked a question " who is a christian", a true Christian will try all his possible best to call the misguided one to his part!. nairaland is full of such christians and they are not fine with people who are misguided dying before being set straight. The issue of trinity has been discussed in numerous pages on nairaland, and you believe that discussion is not centered on trying to set each other straight?
your claim of hypocrisy in division is much better than in some other religions where hatred and mass murder is the method used between such divisions. This division try to set each other straight by not giving each a chance to repentance upon conviction.


4. I do not know what will happen to a misguided Muslim, but the scriptures tells us what will happen to a misguided person when he dies.
The only issue is the determination of what will happen to that person while he is still alive, cus Christians have no power or authority or knowledge to condemn someone, you can only condemn his actions, even though his actions play a big role in what happens to him later.

5. I always try to be happy sir!

in summary, my statement still stands: like I said, if you know you follow a religion that has a division , all your statements and even more can also be applied to you(depending on how your division treat each other)

in reality(not coated example), if you agree that you have divisions, how do you treat each other!

still waiting for response lexiconkabir

solite3:
@ brocab its pathetic hearing people without God's Spirit trying to sturdy bible from their head

all this propping up of ego Will not help. There at least three post in which you are mentioned which was posted twice, making 6 posts, but you refuse to respond to any of them, if there is time, I will repost them again!

brocab:
He can't show you-only unless he twist and rewrites your page. Like he does it to mine.

I cannot show what I've not seen.
pls tell he did make such statement, then I'll try to look for it, but if he did not make such statement, why are you happy and delighted that I can't show you a sentence he did not make?

Secondly, I've asked you to show me one instance I twisted your sentences, you refuse to point to one. now in addition, pls point to solite3 statement, then show how I twisted it!
If you can't , pls then stop making false accusations!

solite3:
dolphinheart pls show me where I said human earthly body go to hell?

let's not think that the other person is stupid, hence we employ deceit, cunning ways and improper approach to things?

I never said you said the bolded above, and even if you had said so, I've not seen it yet.
But I did say you said something, I said you said and believed that body and soul goes to hell. Now do you still want me to show you where you made this statements, do you want me to show you where you agreed that soul and body go to hell?
brocab, do you stand by your brother when he agreed that soul and body go to hell?, do you agree with him?

brocab:
Firstly lets clear up a few issues before we start. As we understand the soul and the Spirit are two primary immaterial aspects that scripture describes to humanity. It can be confusing to attempt to discern the precise differences between the two, The word Spirit refers only to the immaterial facet of humanity. Human beings have a spirit, but we are not spirits, However in Scripture only believers are said, to be spirituality alive {1 Corinthians 2:11, Hebrews 4:12, James 2:26} while unbelievers are spirituality dead {Ephesians 2:1-5, Colossians 2:13} In Paul's writing the spiritual was pivotal to the life of the believer {1 Corinthians 2:14, 3:1, Ephesians 1:3,5:19, Colossians 1:9, 3:16} The spirit is the element in humanity which gives us the ability to have a intimate relationship with God, When ever the word "Spirit" is used, it refers to the immaterial part of humanity that "connects" with God. Who Himself is Spirit {John 4:24}
The word "soul" can refer to both, the immaterial and material aspects of humanity, unlike human beings having a Spirit, human beings are souls in its most basic sense, the word "Soul means life" However beyond this essential meaning, the bible speaks of many souls in many contexts.
One of these is humanity's eagerness to sin {Luke 12:26} Humanity is naturally evil, and our souls are tainted as a result.
The life principle is removed at the time of physical death {Genesis 35:18, Jeremiah 15:2} The "Soul as with the Spirit" is the centre of many spiritual and emotional experiences {Job 30:25, Psalms 43:5, Jeremiah 13:17} Whenever the word "Soul" is used, it can refer to the hole person, whether "in life or in the after life".
The "Soul and the Spirit are connected" but separable {Hebrews 4:12} The Soul is the essence of humanity being, it is who we are. The "Spirit is an aspect of humanity that connects with God.
And for the body the flesh-that of course is common sense from dust we came and to dust we go.

To be frank, I don't think you yourself understand what you copied and pasted here, you just saw that it talked about soul and spirit, and in a desperate bid to change the issue you Decided to copy and paste it word for word.

To show you you do not know what you copied and pasted I'm going to point to a section of your post:
" The "Soul and the Spirit are connected" but separable {Hebrews 4:12} The Soul is the essence of humanity being, it is who we are. The "Spirit is an aspect of humanity that connects with God.
And for the body the flesh-that of course is common sense from dust we came and to dust we go."

brocab, plus tell , when the spirit and soul are separated, plus tell us what will happen to the man!

plus adress the issue at hand:
like I said earlier and repeated several times, the issue at hand is identifying what goes to hell, is it the spirit or body or soul. Secondly there is a need to know where the rest go if the 3 mentioned dnt go to hell.

under these topic, you have made contradictory statements about what goes to hell, while vehementry refusing to state where the others mentioned go.

You claim to be brothers, you claim to be christians who have tried to prove what the bible had said, yet you statements , proofs and claim are contradictory. you said only spirits go to hell, your brother says souls and body go to hell. I've asked you several times to explain this contradiction, but you refuse!

You could not show even once instance where I mocked the word of God or where I made a statement denying anything said above!, brocab when will this lying stop!

You still could not tell where the soul and body goes after man dies! can you see yourself
You say only spirit go to hell, your brother say soul and body can be destroyed in hell
as if this is not contradictory enough , you had earlier said
" If Paul didn't have the Spirit of God, the divine, then how did he have it after he had died?
His flesh would end up in hell, where your flesh is heading.
Having God's divine nature Paul was transformed into heaven"

to clear any misunderstandings about your own words and to give you a chance of explaining them I asked you the following questions
" For the benefit of doubt, brocab, PLS tell me
1. what did you mean with the statement : "His flesh would end up in hell, where your flesh is heading."
2. solite3 says he believes that soul and body go to hell, do you agree with him?
this questions above have been avoided by you.
you still have a chance to explain what you meant.
I've not even shown you what you said about soul and hell.

brocab, are there people who don't have the spirit of God? If those people die, where will they(piece of flesh) end up?

Kxngstein:
I rather believe in it and finally find out that it doesn't exist than to deny it's existence so I can live my life anyhow and find out that it exits

so you are not living your life anyhow cus you believe it exists right?

hemartins:
Really

It is very interesting to discover that there are more Bible verses about Hell than there are about Heaven. Here are a few verses in the Old Testament about Hell. Daniel 12:2 proclaims, "Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt." Hell is described here as everlasting.

King James Version
Da 12:2And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

pls tell, where are they when they where sleeping in the dust of the earth,are they not in hell?
when will they be awaken?
I saw evalasting contempt not evaluating hell!

Isaiah 66:24 declares, "And they will go out and look upon the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind." In this Scripture, hell is described as a place where the fire is not quenched.

pls who are they that will go out and look o! fellow dead people or humans that are alive?

Deuteronomy 32:22 portrays hell as a place where God pours out His wrath, "For a fire is kindled in My anger, and shall burn to the lowest hell; It shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains."

note that same fire will consume the earth o!

Psalm 55:15 illustrates hell as a realm of the wicked, "Let death seize them; Let them go down alive into hell, for wickedness is in their dwellings and among them."

Hell Is Real

and yet , good people go their too!

like the op said, I think the kjv has done a good job in confusing people.

lexiconkabir:
Actually there is a difference, in that of Islam hypocrisy is not involved, a sunni that believes a shia is misguided tries all his possible best to call the shi'a on to his path, likewise the shi'a, but these three Christians made mention in the op believe that the other person is going to hell, yet they are all fine with it(which is hypocrisy), not even attempting to call the other on to his/her path, thats the difference.

Happy now?

1. are you saying that even though it's true that their is a division, their is still a difference in how the two religion handle the differences? or what is this thing that their is a difference.
For sure , if you agree with me that their is a division, then we could move on to to the differences with the division between the religions.

2. Sir I do not believe in sugarcoatING issues and hiding the underlying but real events.
pls answer my question
A. all shia believes as long as you are a sunni and you follow sunni teachings, you are misguided, not so?, (you can change the words "shi'a" and "sunni" and replace the with each other)
B. pls tell , what will be the outcome of a misguided Muslim who does not change to become shi'a or sunni?hell?

3. Sir I asked a question " who is a christian", a true Christian will try all his possible best to call the misguided one to his part!. nairaland is full of such christians and they are not fine with people who are misguided dying before being set straight. The issue of trinity has been discussed in numerous pages on nairaland, and you believe that discussion is not centered on trying to set each other straight?
your claim of hypocrisy in division is much better than in some other religions where hatred and mass murder is the method used between such divisions. This division try to set each other straight by not giving each a chance to repentance upon conviction.


4. I do not know what will happen to a misguided Muslim, but the scriptures tells us what will happen to a misguided person when he dies.
The only issue is the determination of what will happen to that person while he is still alive, cus Christians have no power or authority or knowledge to condemn someone, you can only condemn his actions, even though his actions play a big role in what happens to him later.

5. I always try to be happy sir!

in summary, my statement still stands: like I said, if you know you follow a religion that has a division , all your statements and even more can also be applied to you(depending on how your division treat each other)

in reality(not coated example), if you agree that you have divisions, how do you treat each other!

brocab:
I can see 'you have refused to answer any part on this topic in your own words dolphinheart, is it to confusing for you?

like I said earlier and repeated several times, the issue at hand is identifying what goes to hell, is it the spirit or body or soul. Secondly there is a need to know where the rest go if the 3 mentioned dnt go to hell.
under these topic, you have made contradictory statements about what goes to hell, while vehementry refusing to state where the others mentioned go.
Once your statements are clear, you will know my view, let's clear the contradiction that is on ground first!
I believe in orderliness, your questions are formulated to try to create disorder in the issue at hand so that you can be shifting left and right.
Once we know where this three go, we can then move to what happens to them their!

I myself and I am sure many of us Christians are tried 'trying to show you verse after verse, scripture after scripture, Proving to you what the bible had said, I am sure we are fed up listening to you mocking the word of God, denying it's power, denying the Holy Spirit, denying God the Father, and most of all denying His Son Jesus.

1. Each scripture that you quoted has been examined, and once the result of such examination has been posted to you, you run away from it, for example you ones claim that the spirit of man roams, but once the scripture you quoted is being looked at, it was established that you lied, the scripture did not say the spirit roam , neither did it say the spirit goes to hell.
I gave this example above(though there are many) that what you try to show is different from what the scripture said.
2. you claim to be brothers, you claim to be christians who have tried to prove what the bible had said, yet you statements , proofs and claim are contradictory. you said only spirits go to hell, your brother says souls and body go to hell. I've asked you several times to explain this contradiction, but you refuse!
3. you could not show even once instance where I mocked the word of God or where I made a statement denying anything said above!, brocab when will this lying stop!

Matter of fact, it is quite pointless trying to share with you the word of God, it is a senseless idea knowing at the beginning your heart is far far away from the truth who the Father and His Son Jesus is.

always trying to change the topic!

To be honest No one is interested in your rubbish talk, and what you have to say, dolphinheart-I have no dealt's but proven evidence you are A FALSE PROPHET.

you are not interested in what I have to say, okay, no problem, but I'm interested to know how you will clear your contradictory statement, and how you will explain the difference between your beliefs and that of your brother.
plus note the issue of if Jesus is the father is still there o! will be discussed later after we have cleared this one.

{Luke 16:22-26} This scripture is so clear to our eye's and ear's-they both died and was buried.
{Usually when something die's it means dead, unless you JW's know otherwise} and strangely enough one dead person ended up in torment burning with fire, while the other dead ended up with Abraham. And of course they both ended up dead as the scriptures told us, they died and was buried-so come on Dolphinheart big mouth-answer this question how did they get to these places without their bodies being alive?

1. calling me names wunt help you.
2. The issue is where does the 3(soul, body and spirit) go after man dies and which of these 3 go to hell. that they(rich man and lazarus) died is not the issue , neither is it contended.
3. your question is not for me, customer I've not said that their bodies where alive, how can you ask me a question about something that I did not say.
You said only spirits go to hell, you also indicated that lazarus and the rich man where dead person(s). how come you now ask these question when you dnt believe that their bodies are alive in hell?
and if you want to use these to indicate that it's only spirit that goes to hell, then please tell , is solite3 wrong when he said soul and body goes to hell?

Once you have answered this question, then you must have the answers, with those who have the Spirit of God, will surely end up with God.

surely if you believe that only spirit goes to hell, then your brother who teaches otherwise is a liar and a fraud then! or is he also telling the truth!

But with those people who have chosen not to have the Spirit of God. "Like you" will surely end up in torment, just like the verse say's in {Luke 16:22-26} describes it to be.

since you are the one god had appointed to pass judgement on me, can you tell if it's soul, or body or spirit that will end up their, you sha want to believe something ends up in hell, but you dnt know which. or you know, but giving an answer will affect your false teachings about what happens their!

Its only common sense dolphinheart, where our Souls {Spirits} go after we die, everyone with common sense should know the answer-we live by choice.
So which is it dolphinheart are you willing to accept Christ into your life, becoming a born again Christian as the word tells us to be, and to live for eternity with Jesus our Lord God Almighty.
Or would you perfer to stay un-saved, and live only for your Father who aren't in Heaven.

kai!, you still could not tell where the soul and body goes after man dies! can you see yourself !

you say only spirit go to hell, your brother say soul and body can be destroyed in hell
as if this is not contradictory enough , you had earlier said
" If Paul didn't have the Spirit of God, the divine, then how did he have it after he had died?
His flesh would end up in hell, where your flesh is heading.
Having God's divine nature Paul was transformed into heaven"

to clear any misunderstandings about your own words and to give you a chance of explaining them I asked you the following questions
" For the benefit of doubt, brocab, PLS tell me
1. what did you mean with the statement : "His flesh would end up in hell, where your flesh is heading."
2. solite3 says he believes that soul and body go to hell, do you agree with him?
this questions above have been avoided by you.
you still have a chance to explain what you meant.
I've not even shown you what you said about soul and hell.
brocab, are there people who don't have the spirit of God? If those people die, where will they(piece of flesh) end up?

Drinkwater06:
But it's good to label Muslims hell-bound when your fellow Christians sees you (jw) as hell-bound?

Doesn't charity begins at home?

who is a Muslim?
Who is a christian? cus they must be a christian first before they can be termed fellow Christian.
yes charity begins at home, but not everyone who claims to be a christian or Muslim is part of your household!

I for one believe that everyone goes to hell(depending on my definition o) at death!

like I said, if you know you follow a religion that has a division , all your statements and even more can also be applied to you(depending on how your division treat each other)

Let he/she who follow a religion that has no division caSt the stone!
If you feel your religion does not have the same issues you are accusing others of having, then you are free to Comment.

some would only want to hammer on the differences, they like such discussions. They don't want to go further!

myweb:
Not river valley but valley view....
BTW I like your work here, weldone

kk, thanks, believed it was formed out of olowo-ira cong right?

brocab:
I think dolphinheart we all must agree on this one, you have set yourself up even more, you are more confused now, then you were before we had started this conversation, or any other conversations in this matter. You are trying to rearrange our words in all directions.

1. yet you could not show one instance or site one example of such confusion
2. I did ask you questions relating to your own words, you still refuse to answer! even you knows that your own words contradict each other!
3. IF my view on your words is wrong, you have refused to correct it, probably cus my views are right!

We are speaking in two different literature's here,

name them!

I have been speaking to you about the Spirit, [s]while you seem to think the Spirit of God is about speaking in the flesh[/s].

stop lying!
moreover , the issue is about what goes to hell when man dies!, soul, spirit, body, which one! and where does the rest go?
you say only spirit go to hell, your brother say soul and body can be destroyed in hell
as if this is not contradictory enough , you had earlier said
"If Paul didn't have the Spirit of God, the divine, then how did he have it after he had died?
His flesh would end up in hell, where your flesh is heading.
Having God's divine nature Paul was transformed into heaven

to clear any misunderstandings about your own words and to give you a chance of explaining them I asked you the following questions
"For the benefit of doubt, brocab, PLS tell me
1. what did you mean with the statement : "His flesh would end up in hell, where your flesh is heading."
2. solite3 says he believes that soul and body go to hell, do you agree with him?

this questions above have been avoided by you.

You are even confusing me, you have everything I have written to you on this page twisted and upside down.

you still have a chance to explain what you meant.
I've not even shown you what you said about soul and hell.

The bible isn't just written in black and white-it has a Spiritual side to it, and of course you haven't received the Spirit of God to even understand this side to the bible.
Your refusal to acknowledge the truth makes life difficult for us all to agree which part of the bible you do know.
Jesus said one must be born again before he can enter into the kingdom of God. And of course you have refused to do such, so this leaves us having differences what is truth and what is not truth concerning the word of God.
And not only does the world know, but us Christians know, the JW's don't hold that truth.

brocab, are there people who don't have the spirit of God? If those people die, where will they(piece of flesh) end up?

up till this moment, you have refused to tell us where the body and soul goes to when man dies!

johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart

see what habitual lying does to you, you cannot say anything new now,
you can only repeat your same old lies over and over again

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

dolphinheart blasphemed God calling Him-God and the Word "a two headed god":



heap way big lie lie, your lies reaching up to Heaven

presently you are on auto response
there was nothing to reply to
1. you could not post the full text of my post
2. you could not comment on "your god is two persons in one"
3. you could not show where you responded to my explanation on the scriptures you posted
4. on John 1:1, you could not respond to my post constructively when I talked about that verse, so why should I repeat myself!.
5. you could not do without modifying my words and giving it your own false explanations.

johnw74:
No, then what is this? it's not a reply ? ummmm, anyone seen those men in white

and you have always replied before to posts about where you blasphemed God
but you just lie lying again of course





You lie lie dolphinheart proudly repeat the same lies in your every post:
Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.



The Apostle John shows that God and the Word is God:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

You blaspheming dolphinheart not only reject the Bible, but blasphemed God and the Word calling Him "a two headed god":
Concerning God and the Word false jw dolphin said:



You dolphinheart is heap way big lie lie

presently you are on auto response
1. you could not post the full text of my post
2. you could not comment on "your god is two persons in one"
3. you could not show where you responded to my explanation on the scriptures you posted
4. on John 1:1, you could not respond to my post constructively when I talked about that verse, so why should I repeat myself!.
5. you could not do without modifying my words and giving it your own false explanations.

solite3:
One verse of the bible popularly misquoted by jhws is

Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

However that's not all
See
Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.

This is interesting @ bold tells us the point the writer is making
He is not saying the dead no longer exist but rather they can no longer participate to anything done on earth not only that, they also have no knowledge of things done under the sun.

1. It seems you do not understand the conjunction"neither"
2. let's look at the verses again :
King James Version
Ec 9:5For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neitherhave they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

solite3, look at the blue coloured part again and tell if it's true or not that the living know that they will die. If you believe this to be true, why don't you believe the part after the comma that says "but the dead know not anything"!
other translators translated that part as "but the dead do not know anything" or " the dead know nothing"
the verse did not say the dead do not know nothing about someplace or somewhere or something, it simply tells you that the dead know nothing!, so wherever you might conjure the dead to be, it simply knows nothing.
to show you how your false teachings contradict themselves, you said " they also have no knowledge of things done under the sun".this is contrary to your claims about the rich man and his awareness of his brothers who are still alive. also is Abraham not dead, has he been resurrected when you claim lazarus went to meet him!, how come a dead person knows about the rich man brothers. you yourself can see how anytime you try to explain the scriptures under your false teachings, it keeps on contradicting itself.
now let's go to the green part, the word neither:
neither /ˈnʌɪðə,ˈniː-/
determiner pronoun
not the one nor the other of two people or things; not either.
adverb
1. used before the first of two (or occasionally more) alternatives (the others being introduced by ‘nor’) to indicate that they are each untrue or each does not happen.
2. used to introduce a further negative statement.
can you see the definitions of neither there, can you see the underlined words?
The verse is talking about two things , two negative things, two alternatives, don't use the second one to determine what the first is saying!

King James Version
Ec 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.

this part exposes your false teachings further, first let me ask you, this love , hate and envy, is it talking about those of the living or those of the dead?
We all know that love, hatred and envy are parts of human emotion, and the scriptures says that this emotion do not exist any longer. Some translators use "long gone", "vanished" ,"perished", "dissapeared".
In simple terms, the verse is telling us the dead have no emotion!

Another misquoted verse is

Psalms 88:10 Wilt thou shew wonders to the dead? shall the dead arise and praise thee? Selah.

Who are the dead who cannot praise God?
Psalms 88:5 Free among the dead, like the slain that lie in the grave, whom thou rememberest no more: and they are cut off from thy hand.

Wonderful@ they are the ones who are cut off from God.
David in that chapter was expressing his fear of dying as a sinner
But look at what Jesus says about the righteous

Matthew 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

does the verse indicate the psalmist will praise God after death, to show that it's only the sinners that will praise God after death? no
Ps 115:17 The deaddo not praise Jah; Nor do any who go down into the silence of death.

Ps 6:5 For in death there is no mention of you; In the Grave, who will praise you?

Ps 146:4His spirit goes out, he returns to the ground; On that very day his thoughts perish.

Ps 30:9What profit is there in my death, in my going down to the pit? Will the dust praise you? Will it tell of your faithfulness?

Isa 38:18For the Grave cannot glorify you, Death cannot praise you. Those who go down into the pit cannot hope for your faithfulness.

Ec 9:10Whatever your hand finds to do, do with all your might, [color=red]for there is no work nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom in the Grave, WHERE YOU ARE GOING.

2 Thessalonians 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

HELL IS FOR ETERNITY NO GOING BACK IN HELL!

SHALLOM

notice the word, Evalasting destruction, no hope of coming back.
enough distraction sir, pls , what goes to hell, the body soul or spirit?
brocab said it's only the spirit, do you agree with him?

solite3:
I am not surprised at your disbelief even dolphinsheart has denied the bodily resurrection of Christ already your organization which was planted by a Freemason is yielding her fruit already but I urge you to think twice before its too late . have you once thought if you are following the bible or your reasoning.

I have not seen where dolphinsheart posted one single letter on this thread.
We were talking about that resurrection before, you made a post where you added large parts of my words to make it look as if you where the one who said it, I've asked you to modify it so I can respond, but you refused to! no problem, na your way!

YOU HAVE REFUSE TO BELIEVE IN THE TRINITY
BECAUSE IT DOES NOT FOLLOW YOUR REASONING

you yourself can't even explain what trinity is , different idealogies, different teachings about trinity, which one do you believe?
This could be discussed soon, but for now, I'm still trying to get all of you to tell us what goes to he'll. is it the spirit, body or soul, or is it 2 of these three , or is it the three.
solite3 has said body and soul, brocab said only spirit. WHO ARE WE TO BELIEVE!

YOU REFUSE TO BELIEVE JESUS RESURRECTED BECAUSE IT DOES NOT SUITE YOUR REASONING

stop lying!

YOU REFUSE TO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS HELL ONLY BECAUSE IT DOES NOT RHYME WITH YOU PHILOSOPHY

pls what is hell?, I asked this customer you might have a different understanding of the word from mine!

YOU REFUSE TO BELIEVE THE SCRIPTURE EXCEPT IT HAS BEEN DILUTED BY YOUR
SOCIETY

pls point to one verse that has been diluted by my society, though I hope you can do this after telling us about what goes to hell, don't use it to change the present topic!

IF YOU DIE LIKE THIS YOU ARE IN FOR A SHOCK.

YES THOSE WHO ARE IN HELL POSSES A BODY THAT WILL MAKE THEM SUFFER!
EXAMPLE , THE RICH MAN TOLD ABRAHAM TO TELL LAZARUS TO DIP[b] HIS FIGERS[/b] IN water
Luke 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

Mind you this is not a parable!
How? Because names of real people are mentioned.
Lazarus and Abraham
Jesus never make parables with real names.

what kind of body do they possess?

solite3:
i simply believe the scriptures. Yes this earthly body will rot on earth. Since Jesus our Lord said both body and soul will be cast into hell then there must be bodies for those in hell.

Isaiah 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

Mark 9:44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Mark 9:46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Mark 9:48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

These verses suggest that those in hell will have a body.

yes you simply believe it, but you do not understand it!
@ bolded part of of isa 66:24, pls tell , who will go forth?8