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DoctorAlien:
I can't make any sense of that.

You can't make any sense of the scripture and explanation given? wow!
you don't want to answer the questions such explanation brought up.

The question is: explain Matt. 18:20 since you said Jesus Christ is not omnipresent.

the verse does not mean Jesus is everywhere, as Jesus will not be where 2 or 3 people are not gathered in his name or will he?

brocab:
I keep on asking you for your views on this subject, since the bible has it's own view after death in {Luke 16:22-26 Revelation 6:10} And like always you have refused to share with us your organisation version, what happens to us after we die and buried.
Where does our {Spirits} travel too, since our bodies go's back into the earth, from dust we were made, and dust we will return.

will share my views after (1) you have told me where body,soul ,spirit goes when man dies.
(2) clear the contradictions on ground. you say spirit, your brother says soul and body, please clearly tell if your brother is right or wrong and tell us what goes to hell and where the rest go?

Alright maybe you haven't all the answers to this question, can I try and answer this question for you, or maybe someone else out there will know the answers much better then I?
Is it true the JW's believe only the 144000 of true and faithful male JW elders will go and sit with God in heaven, while the rest of you, will wait until God and the elders plan to create a new Earth?
{I must asked a question, in what form, does the JW's have while waiting for the 144000 seats to be filled, do they have a Body or are they in Spirit, sitting on thrones beside God?}
Once we clear up your own version about this subject, then we can continual to finish what the bible says about what happens to us after death.
So Dolphinheart we need to clear this subject up, having your own version, where we go after we die and are buried?
Do you believe, how the bible describes it, in {Luke 16:22-26, Revelation 6:10} And the saints cried out and said how long, Sovereign Lord Holy and True until you judge the inhabitants of the Earth and avenge our blood?
Or have you other idea's about who these saints are? Are they the Saints the JW believe are their elders seated with God? Who are they? Not Angels.

men!, you can do anything just so that you will not answer the question asked months ago in which you and your brother gave contradictory replies. We are not talking about heaven or earth, we are talking about hell and what goes their when man dies, and where the body, soul, spirit goes when man dies. you keep trying to change the topic when your false doctrine has been exposed!
do you agree with your brothers statement about body and soul in hell? If yes, why did you then say spirit goes to hell?
pls tell us, where does the body, spirit, soul, goes when man dies?

it should be noted that brocab could not touch his assumptions again once evidence was provided
" The use of assumptions to find issues or to divert from the issues will not work.
1. I've posted the full text of my post, no where can it be said I that I saId "physical body"
2. I said solite3 said " body and soul", not only "body" and definitely not "physical body"
3. I have not at this point said anything(sharing my view) about body and hell, I've only just reterated what your brother said, its your brother that related body and soul with hell. Therefore Pls solite3 , tell us so that brocab can have an answer: which and what kind of body where you referring to?
4. Pls provide where I said " "brocab" the body or the spirit go's to Hell
5. taken from my post : "you say spirit goes to hell, solite3 believes body and and soul goes to hell, who are we to believe.

johnw74:
when you have nothing, you repeat yourself, you do it often, ha
I still today like yesterday don't answer much of your confusion and of course like yesterday, today you still love to lie

fact : you are still refusing to answer the question

johnw74:
you believer everything witchpower and your elders tell you
you ignore the verse I'm speaking of and the things I say, and do the twist because you have no answers

I did not ignore the verse you are talking about!
Jesus said, it is written, are you implying that Jesus quoted wrongly what is written?
If Jesus quoted from what is written, can you provide us with the real text of what is written and where it is written?

I provided you with where it is written, yet you will not accept it.
Secondly why did you not answer :
1. Ps 110:1Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”
is the above translation correct or wrong?

so you don't believe Father is "supreme in authority-God"

I do believe , do you?, how did you come to know the father is supreme in authority God?
is the father's authority over that of jesus in heaven? Yes or no?

Matthew 22:44 did not say "theos" or did it?

Mat 22:44 The LORD (kurios) said unto my Lord (kurios), Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

the word "kurios" that you put twice in bracket above cannot be found twice in the Greek text of that verse, plus show us the full Greek text of that verse where you found yours as twice written?

as you can see, well not you, but as Christians can see, both Father and Jesus are called "kurios", "supreme in authority-God"

as you can see, your explanation is based on assumptions ,not fact, cus I showed you the fact, but because it will affect your doctrine, you refuse to accept it.
1. you have now shifted the definition of kurios from Lord or master to "god" and now to " supreme in authority God". I've shown you the meaning of "kurios" by scholars, you are still sticking to your self made, no evidence given, false definition of the word "kurios".
2. you could not tell us how you came to know that the "kurios in that verse is referring to the father and the son, are there not people called Lord in the scriptures?

john also says Father and Jesus is "God"
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Many more verses showing that the Word-Jesus Christ is God, would you like me to post them again?

funny, you are using the verse that says "theos" to find meaning to the word that says " kurios". pls show us how you got the meaning of "kurios" to be "god". scholars says it means "lord" or "master" and the verse you quoted describe it as such!, no where in the scriptures is "theos" ever described as "kurios".

duh duh duh, unbelievable, then you are blind

would you like me to post all the verses where "kurios" is referring to Jesus?
He is also referred to as "theos" which also means God
here is a verse where Jesus is called both "kurios" and "theos":
Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord (kurios) and my God (theos).

i did not ask me to find the verse where "kurios"and "theos" are mentioned, i said : Prove me wrong, the two words translated to "lord" in the that verse is not "kurios", found only one "kurios" in that greek text!
question: how did you know that the father and son are called kurios?
another question is , how do you know who who when you fully capitalised one kurios when translation it and refuse to do so to the second one?

I do understand how you cannot tell the diffrence between Father and Son in the Bible

when translating the word "kurios", you capitalized one fully, but do not capitalize the same word fully when it appeared again!
how did you know one kurios is for the father, hence full capitalization when transLating.
kjv:- Mr 12:36For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
please show where David made the above statement, it's in the scriptures!

DoctorAlien:
Dolphinheart, you said Jesus Christ is not omnipresent. How then is this possible?

"For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." Matt. 18:20

respond to the explanation I gave you, expecially the scriptures I added , and then we will look at this one, you are trying to make it look as if the scriptures is contraditing itself, if you can't explain scriptures quoted to you.
Look at the verse you quoted and tell if jesus will not be in the midst of three people whodo not gather in his name? answer that and then re- examine your use of that scripture to mean jesus is everywhere!

brocab:
Lying through your teeth once again dolphinheart. We all knew exactly what you were referring too, which is it, "brocab" the body or the spirit go's to Hell. if you weren't preferring to the physical body, then explain which body you were preferring too?

The use of assumptions to find issues or to divert from the issues will not work.
1. I've posted the full text of my post, no where can it be said I that I saId "physical body"
2. I said solite3 said " body and soul", not only "body" and definitely not "physical body"
3. I have not at this point said anything(sharing my view) about body and hell, I've only just reterated what your brother said, its your brother that related body and soul with hell. Therefore Pls solite3 , tell us so that brocab can have an answer: which and what kind of body where you referring to?
4. Pls provide where I said " "brocab" the body or the spirit go's to Hell
5. taken from my post : "you say spirit goes to hell, solite3 believes body and and soul goes to hell, who are we to believe.

This may save you a lot of grieve over nothing.
And don't forget you are to give us your version of Hell, your beliefs, where we end up after we die?

after (1) you have told me where body,soul ,spirit goes when man dies.
(2) clear the contradictions on ground. you say spirit, your brother says soul and body, please clearly tell if your brother is right or wrong and tell us what goes to hell and where the rest go?

Do we go with {Luke 16:22-26} Or have you JW's have the real deal where we all go, from the grave.

interesting , "where we all go, from the grave," that means we must go to the grave first right, well we will discuss all of that after you had cleared the issue on ground!

johnw74:
I don't answer much of your confusion but you love to lie

you still refuse to answer the question

johnw74:
You believe everything witchpower magazine and your elders tells you

tell that to your predecessors who removed Gods name from the scriptures.
Jesus said, it is written, are you implying that Jesus quoted wrongly what is written?
If Jesus quoted from what is written, can you provide us with the real text of what is written and where it is written?
I provided you with where it is written, yet you will not accept it.
Secondly why did you not answer :
1. Ps 110:1Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”
is the above translation correct or wrong?

The Greek for "Lord" in that verse is "kurios" and it means God
you keep on showing that you have no comprehension at all

Strong's Concordance
kurios: lord, master
Original Word: κύριος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: kurios
Phonetic Spelling: (koo'-ree-os)
Short Definition: lord, Lord, master, sir
Definition: lord, master, sir; the Lord.

NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from kuros (authority)
Definition
lord, master
NASB Translation
lord (10), Lord (626), Lord of lords (2), Lord's (12), lords (1), master (38), master's (3), masters (, masters' (1), owner (6), owners (1), sir (11), sirs (1).
IS GOD INCLUDED IN THOSE DEFINITIONS ? no
Pls tell us where and how you got your own "God" meaning?

duh, look up the Greek for both instances of Lord in that verse
Mar 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD (kurios) said to my Lord (kurios), Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Prove me wrong, the two words translated to "lord" in the that verse is not "kurios", found only one "kurios" in that greek text!
question: how did you know that the father and son are called kurios?

duh again, can you believe this, will he ever graduate from kindergarten

you that is the graduate, Pls tell:
how did you differenciate who is who? so as to fully capitalize one and not fully capitalize again when it occurred a second time.

Yes and Mark shows that the Word is to ("kurios" for both)


As for the rest of your confusion, you can have it

You have no comprehension of much of what is said
and you have no understanding of the Bible, not even that one plain verse

see excuse!
when translating the word "kurios", you capitalized one fully, but do not capitalize the same word fully when it appeared again!
how did you know one kurios is for the father, hence full capitalization when transLating.
kjv:- Mr 12:36For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
please show where David made the above statement, it's in the scriptures!

[quote author=solite3 post=48605042][/quote]PlS modify your post so I can respond, why are you are attaching your words to mine?

DoctorAlien:
Dolphinheart,

You said Jesus is not omnipresent. You also said Jesus is not literally standing at the door of any man's heart. This means that Jesus cannot enter any man's heart, since He's not at the door. And even if He enters, He cannot be in everybody's life at the same time because, according to you, He is not omnipresent. Therefore, nobody has Jesus in His life.

Does the Bible say so?

the bible did not say what you are trying to say, PlS tell, is Jesus literally at a literal door in your heart?
there are people who are always in my life, whose laws, advise, guidance , love , always guide, control and affect my actions everyday. They do not literarily need to be be with me every moment. opening your heart to let someone enter does not mean you literarily have to so such!

PlS explain this scripture:
Da 7:13“I kept watching in the visions of the night, and look! with the clouds of the heavens, someone like a son of man was coming; and he gained access to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him up close before that One.

if the son of man is everywhere , he would not need to gain access
if the the son of man is everywhere he will not be coming and going
if the son of man is everywhere, he will not need a door to be opened to enter our heart.

Joh 14:2In the house of my Father are many dwelling places. Otherwise, I would have told you, for I am going my way to prepare a place for you.

if jesus was everywhere, he will not be going somewhere he already is to prepare a place!

I told you before

DoctorAlien:
Did the Bible say "and lo I will see you, protect you and guide you from where I am"? Are you saying that Jesus is not with His disciples, as He said with His own mouth?

You continue to twist the Scripture. Here is another proof of Jesus' omnipresence: "Jesus answered and said unto him, if a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him." Jn. 14:23.

Here Jesus clearly states that He will COME unto any one who loves Him. How can Jesus GO to all the people who love Him and make abode with all of them if He is not omnipresent?

PlS sir, I'm on my knees begging you, do not cut part of my post off when quoting me, expecially the part that explanations is giving on what I said, if you cannot respond to those explanations, just leave it the way they are. If you continue to resort in cutting my explanations off, I'll respond by just posting the full text of my post back to you

this is my full post:
"no , Jesus is not omnipresent!, he is not present everywhere at the same time. and example is what happened to Stephen, he told us where Jesus is, despite Jesus seeing what is happening to Stephen.
If Jesus was everywhere, he want be going anywhere or coming from anywhere!"

you don't have to be present to be with them!, Jesus can see you, protect you, guide you from where he is, at the right hand of God in heaven.!
when Stephen was about to be killed, where did he say he saw Jesus, everywhere? no!


funny, so you think Jesus is literarily standing at the door of everyone's heart?
Your statement "stand at the door of every man's heart " should have helped you understand what Jesus said, unless you want to say your heart is equiped with a physical door Jesus can use to enter!
have you physically had a meal with Jesus!

brocab:
To be frank you didn't understand it, nor did your collies. They gave you the likes only because they are lost like you, and without having the Spirit of God, what can I say?

it is evident you do not understand what you copied and pasted word for word.

brocab, plus tell , when the spirit and soul are separated, plus tell us what will happen to the man!

plus adress the issue at hand:
like I said earlier and repeated several times, the issue at hand is identifying what goes to hell, is it the spirit or body or soul. Secondly there is a need to know where the rest go if the 3 mentioned dnt go to hell.

under these topic, you have made contradictory statements about what goes to hell, while vehementry refusing to state where the others mentioned go.
You claim to be brothers, you claim to be christians who have tried to prove what the bible had said, yet you statements , proofs and claim are contradictory. you said only spirits go to hell, your brother says souls and body go to hell. I've asked you several times to explain this contradiction, but you refuse!

You could not show even once instance where I mocked the word of God or where I made a statement denying anything said above!, brocab when will this lying stop!
You still could not tell where the soul and body goes after man dies! can you see yourself
You say only spirit go to hell, your brother say soul and body can be destroyed in hell
as if this is not contradictory enough , you had earlier said
" If Paul didn't have the Spirit of God, the divine, then how did he have it after he had died?
His flesh would end up in hell, where your flesh is heading.
Having God's divine nature Paul was transformed into heaven "
to clear any misunderstandings about your own words and to give you a chance of explaining them I asked you the following questions
" For the benefit of doubt, brocab, PLS tell me
1. what did you mean with the statement : "His flesh would end up in hell, where your flesh is heading."
2. solite3 says he believes that soul and body go to hell, do you agree with him?
this questions above have been avoided by you.
you still have a chance to explain what you meant.
I've not even shown you what you said about soul and hell.
brocab, are there people who don't have the spirit of God? If those people die, where will they(piece of flesh) end up?

brocab:
Page 115 time 10-29 Aug 15 is clearly enough evidence for us to see the truth------You were on a great mocking spree against solite3 and myself calling us lairs, and now you seem too have changed your mind? Are you on some kind of medication, you were sure of yourself when you assumed it to be the physical body, in Hell, and not the Spirit. As you have written it clearly.

Below are the full text of my words posted on that date:

dolphinheart:
then retract your contradictory statements if you stand by their words.
you say spirit goes to hell, solite3 believes body and and soul goes to hell, who are we to believe.
you make such contradictory statements, yet you refuse to tell us where the other two go if only spirit goes to hell.

you argue that Jesus is the father while johnw74 believes that jesus is not same person as the father, brotherhood of confusion, believing contradictory things.


even when I posted the full text of your post, you still refuse to answer the question.


pls show where I talked about the rich man and lazarus, you are just desperately trying to change the topic, you don't want to tell us where body and soul go , if only spirit go to hell!

the bible has told you where the spirit goes to, you deliberately twisted it and said spirit roams.

tell what goes to this hell, tell where spirit, body , soul goes when man dies.

Pls, CAN YOU FIND THE WORD PHYSICAL IN THAT POST? NO!
PLS CAN YOU FIND THE WORD PHYSICAL BODY IN THE POST ABOVE? NO!
The word is "body and soul" , not physical body!

it is evident that you are the one that needs medication, how can you say I assumed something when I've not not said such, or can you show me where I said physical body goes to hell? or where i assumed solite3 statement to mean physical body? stop using this to divert from the topic pls.
solite3 said "body and soul", he did not say spirit, pls explain

Are we on the same page. Dolphnheart your not thinking about denying your faults, are you? This just isn't you?
You will be a disgrace to your collies at work.
But you could be totally honest to yourself and It would make life a lot easier if you would correct your many mistakes when answering any questions about the Word of God.

continue creating false, non existing faults!

solite3:
now go back and read my posts.
I told you that I believe those been thrown into hell will have a body (that may correspond to their earthly body.)
So next time try to comprehend something before commenting.

1. stop being cunning, it does not help
2. stop lying it does not help

have you ever said physical body goes to hell? I don't think so, even your so called brother says that those words are no-where to be found.
several times you had been asked to tell the kind of body that goes to hell, but you refuse.
I have not even commented yet, I was only stating to your brother, about what you said.
you claim body and soul goes to hell, while your brother claims spirit goes to hell , so can you help clear this contradictions up?

pls direct me to where you said this words : "I told you that I believe those been thrown into hell will have a body (that may correspond to their earthly body.)".

can you tell what happens to spirit, soul , body when man dies?

brocab:
No-where brother, dolphinheart lies in bed and outer bed.
The truth is, he can't understand the truth, and when we tell him the truth, the truth passes him like the wind.

did I ever say solite3 said "physical body goes to hell"? This answer is no?
Secondly if you believe that your brother no where said physical body goes to hell, why does he ask me to show him something that is no where!
you guys will do anything just to change the topic , refusing to clear your contradictory statements!

brocab:
Does this mean I won't hear your side on this subject, are you still refusing to share a little JW knowledge about where we go after we die?

I've told you several times that I will tell you my views after (1)you had told me where soul, body, spirit goes when man dies! you have not told us.
(2)you clear the contradictory words between you and your brothers.

Every time death is mentioned, it upsets you deeply-Have you lost somebody close to you recently. This is the differences we have between us both, if I had a chance to save my family from death, I will be first on the seine for my services, I will ask to pray with them, Many people like you don't like to hear about Jesus, but that doesn't stop anyone to pray for them. But with your organisation you can't, you stand there and watch your love ones die, without your services, without a word.

continue!

And I figure this is why you refuse to answer the question, you haven't the slightest idea where our souls end up after we die, It doesn't matter what the word tells us, you will always refuse the scriptures, matter of fact, you and your love ones have that much fear about death, you can't even talk about such subject.
Your only answer could be, is they will end up in their graves until the Father returns. Which is true in one sense, but in the other hand you have given your love ones false hope {Revelation 6:9-10}

always trying to change the issue , wunt go their with you,

if you agree that your brothers words are true, then retract your contradictory statements if you stand by their words.
you say spirit goes to hell, solite3 believes body and and soul goes to hell, who are we to believe.
you make such contradictory statements, yet you refuse to tell us where the other two go if only spirit goes to hell.

you argue that Jesus is the father while johnw74 believes that jesus is not same person as the father, brotherhood of confusion, believing contradictory things.


even when I posted the full text of your post, you still refuse to answer the question.

pls show where I talked about the rich man and lazarus, you are just desperately trying to change the topic, you don't want to tell us where body and soul go , if only spirit go to hell!

the bible has told you where the spirit goes to, you deliberately twisted it and said spirit roams.

tell what goes to this hell, tell where spirit, body , soul goes when man dies.

johnw74:
Father and Son is God and eternal life

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

1Jn_1:2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us

1Jn_5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. [This is the true God, and eternal life.


That eternal life was with the Father, the eternal Word had no beginning

Father and Son-God is that eternal life

you refuse to answer the question

johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart,

the verse in question was from mark, you mistranslated that verse
the Greek for lord there is "kurios" and not "YHWH"

tell that to your predecessors who removed Gods name from the scriptures.
jesus said, it is written, are you implying that jesus quoted wrongly what is written?
If jesus quoted from what is written, can you provide us with the real text of what is written and where it is written?
I provided you with where it is written, yet you will not accept it.

Secondly why did you not answer :
1. Ps 110:1Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”
is the above translation correct or wrong?

Father and Son in that verse are called "kurios"-God
but you jump all over the place to try and confuse, like a good little false jw does

thought kurios was Greek word for Lord, now it's God again? continue!
how did you know that the father and son are called kurios?
how did you differenciate who is who?

so do you think God is not supreme in authority?

almighty God is supreme in authority!

the word " kurios is not capitalized in either instance, the word translated as Lord is capitalized in both cases[/
Full capitalization for the Father showing two different persons
not two different god's though, as false jw believe.

when translating the word "kurios", you capitalized one fully, but do not capitalize the same word fully when it appeared again!
how did you know one kurios is for the father, hence full capitalization when transLating.

kjv:- Mr 12:36For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

please show where David made the above statement, it's in the scriptures!

solite3:
"in the beginning was the word" is very clear the word "was" denote presence not being created.

the word "was" denotes the action that happened in the beginning!

Are you saying the word was created before the beginning of creation? In which case it becomes a fallacy because the beginning of creation tells your the starting point of the manifestion of God's creativity before the beginning nothing was created.

never said so.
In the beginning was the word, not before the beginning was the word.

Check this out
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John is telling you that nothing I mean nothing at all was created without Christ.
Now tell me dolphinheart, if Christ was created, was he created without Christ

Joh 1:3All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence. What has come into existence

Heb 1:2Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things.

Col 1:18and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might become the one who is first in all things;

Col 1:15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;

Re 3:14“To the angel of the congregation in La·o·di·ceʹa write: These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God:

Joh 6:56, 57Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood remains in union with me, and I in union with him.57Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will live because of me.

answer to your question: jesus was created, he was created by his God.
read proverbs 8 : 22-30.

solite3:
"in the beginning was the word" is very clear the word "was" denote presence not being created.

the word "was" denotes the action that happened in the beginning!

Are you saying the word was created before the beginning of creation? In which case it becomes a fallacy because the beginning of creation tells your the starting point of the manifestion of God's creativity before the beginning nothing was created.

never said so.
In the beginning was the word, not before the beginning was the word.

Check this out
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John is telling you that nothing I mean nothing at all was created without Christ.
Now tell me dolphinheart, if Christ was created, was he created without Christ

[b]Joh 1:3All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence. What has come into existence

Col 1:18and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might become the one who is first in all things;

Col 1:15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;

Re 3:14“To the angel of the congregation in La·o·di·ceʹa write: These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God:

Joh 6:56, 57Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood remains in union with me, and I in union with him.57Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will live because of me.

answer to your question: jesus was created, he was created by his God.
read proverbs 8 : 22-30.

PlS sir, I'm on my knees begging you, do not cut part of my post off when quoting me, expecially the part that explanations is giving on what I said, if you cannot respond to those explanations, just leave it the way they are. If you continue to resort in cutting my explanations off, I'll respond by just posting the full text of my post back to you

this is my full post:
"no , Jesus is not omnipresent!, he is not present everywhere at the same time. and example is what happened to Stephen, he told us where Jesus is, despite Jesus seeing what is happening to Stephen.
If Jesus was everywhere, he want be going anywhere or coming from anywhere!"

DoctorAlien:
I'm still shocked.

"...and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen" Matt. 28:20. How could Jesus be with all of His people always even unto to the end of age if He was not omnipresent?

you don't have to be present to be with them!, Jesus can see you, protect you, guide you from where he is, at the right hand of God in heaven.!
when Stephen was about to be killed, where did he say he saw Jesus, everywhere? no!

"Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." Rev. 3:20. How can Jesus stand at the door of every man's heart constantly knocking, if He is not omnipresent?

funny, so you think Jesus is literarily standing at the door of everyone's heart?
Your statement "stand at the door of every man's heart " should have helped you understand what Jesus said, unless you want to say your heart is equiped with a physical door Jesus can use to enter!
have you physically had a meal with Jesus!

DoctorAlien:
Who said so?

It is very clear that John was narrating in Jn. 5:18. John narrated that the Jews wanted to kill Jesus because He made Himself equal with GOD.

JESUS MADE HIMSELF EQUAL WITH GOD!

I will reply with this statement already posted to you :

Same John narrated that Jesus breaks the Sabbath, so u believe that ? U don't
I will take u serious if u actually believe this too to be true! Of cos hypocrisy and doctrine will make u accept the second phrase and reject the first despite that both are coming from the same source and lack evidences

solite3:
your excuse for denying the ompresence of Jesus is lame.
Tell me is God Almighty? If he is why is he not doing everything?

who will do you think is done? whose command do you think is carried out? whose power and authority do you think is used to carry out such commands?
answer : Jehovah, the almighty God, the God of jesus Christ, the father!
Eze 12:25‘“For I, Jehovah, will speak. Whatever word I speak will be done without any more delay. In your days, O rebellious house, I will say the word and carry it out,” declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah.’”

Isa 55:11So my word that goes out of my mouth will be. It will not return to me without results, But it will certainly accomplish whatever is my delight, And it will have sure success in what I send it to do.

Joh 5:36But I have the witness greater than that of John, for the very works that my Father assigned me to accomplish, these works that I am doing, bear witness that the Father sent me.

solite3:
[/quote]pls tell, is the spirit of God the holy spirit.
Wow so tell me, the spirit of God is not the holy spirit.so God has two spirit abi! Prove it with scripture

this is a simple question I asked you, pls answer, you are drawing an opinion from my question, asking me to prove what I did not say!.

so you don't know where it is and yet you call yourself bible student.
2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: [/b]and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
@ bold did you see it?

Now who is that Lord, jesus, the holy spirit or Jehovah?
The verse from another translation says :
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
But The Spirit is THE LORD JEHOVAH, and wherever The Spirit of THE LORD JEHOVAH is, there is freedom.

are there other verses to surpport this? Yes
Isa 61:1 The spirit of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah is upon me, Because Jehovah anointed me to declare good news to the meek. He sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives And the wide opening of the eyes to the prisoners,
* hope you know who that verse was talking about

Ro 8:15For you did not receive a spirit of slavery causing fear again, but you received a spirit of adoption as sons, by which spirit we cry out: “Abba, Father!”

I m free to respond the to whatever, especially as you always dodge my points because it exposes you.

you always use this as an excuse, but when I ask you to bring out the point so that we can see if you did direct the point to me and I did not respond, you will not do so!
The three post I talked about the last time are still pending, waiting for your reply.

I never said you do not have a right or freedom to respond to a post not directed to you, but if you do that, one should try to respond to the things in that post. I said: "you respond to a post directed at someone else, yet you could not talk about the scriptures quoted their!"

Here is the part with the scriptures you refused to respond toif you want to respond, you still can)

"Did Jesus resurrect himself ? no !
Ac 2:24 But God resurrected him by releasing him from the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held fast by it.
Ac 3:15whereas you killed the Chief Agent of life. But God raised him up from the dead, of which fact we are witnesses.
Ro 4:24but also for our sake, to whom it will be counted, because we believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord up from the dead.
1Co 6:14 But God raised up the Lord and will also raise us up out of death through his power.
Col 2:12For you were buried with him in his baptism, and by your relationship with him you were also raised up together through your faith in the powerful work of God, who raised him up from the dead.
Heb 13:20 Now may the God of peace, who brought up from the dead the great shepherd of the sheep, our Lord Jesus, with the blood of an everlasting covenant,
so sir, Jesus did not raise himself up, neither did God raise himself up!"

1 Peter 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time[b] the Spirit of Christ [/b]which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
@ bold the spirit of Christ inspired the writers of the scripture.
2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by [b]the Holy Ghost. @ bold again the holy ghost inspired the writers of scripture
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God
dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
@ coloured do you see how Paul uses the spirit of God and the spirit of Christ interchangeably
Now tell dolphinheart how many spirit has a christian?
8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you , he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
@bold
Dolphinheart who is the spirit of him here?
@ coloured this spirit indwell believers right?
8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Galatians 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son [/b]into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Wonderful! Dolphinheart the spirit of the son in believers
Matthew 10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
Spirit of the father in believers?
DOLPHINHEART AND OTHER JWS ANSWER THIS QUESTION HOW MANY SPIRIT DWELL IN CHRISTIANS

I will explain to you, even though I know you will not understand.
1Pe 1:2 states : [b]according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, with sanctification by the spirit, for the purpose of being obedient and sprinkled with the blood of Jesus Christ: May undeserved kindness and peace be increased to you.
the question is , what is that spirit? it is the holy spirit. who has and can give that spirit? Jehovah, the God of jesus
2Th 2:13However, we are obligated always to thank God for you, brothers loved by Jehovah, because from the beginning God selected you for salvation by sanctifying you with his spirit and by your faith in the truth.(read also Joh 6:44, Ro 8:30, john 17:17, 1Co 6:11, 1Th 4:7)

Peter continued in verse 3: Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for according to his great mercy he gave us a new birth to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
versee 5 says : who are being safeguarded by God’s power through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last period of time.
hope you understand that the God Peter was talking about is the God of jesus Christ.
In verse 10, Peter now says : Concerning this salvation, the prophets who prophesiedabout the undeserved kindness meant for you made a diligent inquiry and a careful search.
do you now understand who gave that salvation, do you now know who has the power behind that salvation, Jehovah, the God of jesus Christ.
Note what verse 10 says, the prophet who prophesied...made a diligent and carefull search, this automatically tells you that Peter is referring to this prophets in verse 11.
Now , what prophecies did this prophet make concerning jesus?, I've posted some of them here on these thread(the ones made by isaiah). You can also look at the prophecies of Daniel concerning time and season in Da 9:24-27, Isa 53:5 also prophesied about jesus suffering.
verse 11 also talked about a spirit in those prophets, now the question is : what spirit is in those prophets?
The scriptures gives us answers:
Ps 143:10Teach me to do your will, For you are my God. Your spirit is good; May it lead me on level ground.
2Sa 23:2 The spirit of Jehovah spoke through me; His word was on my tongue.
Zec 7:12They made their heart like a diamond and would not obey the law and the words that Jehovah of armies sent by his spirit through the former prophets. So there came great indignation from Jehovah of armies.”
Ac 28:25So because they disagreed with one another, they began to leave, and Paul made this one comment: “The holy spirit aptly spoke through Isaiah the prophet to your forefathers,
you can also read luke 1:57, Lu 2:25-35, acts1:16, Gen 41:16,25-39
Peter himself said in 2Pe 1:20, 21For you know this first, that no prophecy of Scripture springs from any private interpretation.21For prophecy was at no time brought by man’s will, but men spoke from God as they were moved by holy spirit.

With all the verses above, we can conclude that the spirit in the prophet is God's holy spirit!
verse 11 says(brackets are mine) : 1Pe 1:11They( the prophets)kept on investigating(read Matthew 13:17) what particular time or what season the spirit within them(the holy spirit) was indicating concerning Christ as it testified beforehand about the sufferings meant for Christ and about the glory that would follow.

How many spirit has a christian?
only the holy spirit is being giving by God to Christians. This same spirit was given to jesus Christ which he passed on to his disciples.
Joh 14:26But the helper, the holy spirit, which the Father will send in my name, that one will teach you all things and bring back to your minds all the things I told you.
Lu 3:22 and the holy spirit in bodily form like a dove came down upon him, and a voice came out of heaven: “You are my Son, the beloved; I have approved you.”
Lu 4:1 Then Jesus, full of holy spirit, turned away from the Jordan, and he was led about by the spirit in the wilderness
Joh 20:22After saying this he blew on them and said to them: “Receive holy spirit.
note again, the holy spirit comes from the father,Jehovah, the God of jesus to Christians through jesus Christ. Jesus too was given that spirit when he was on earth, jesus is not the holy spirit.

The spirit of him that raised up Christ from the death is the holy spirit, the father used the holy spirit to raise up Christ from the dead.
Ac 2:24But God resurrected him by releasing him from the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held fast by it.[/color]
And as explained above, it's the holy spirit that dwells in Christians.

[b]Ga 4:6Now because you are sons, God has sent the spirit of his Son into our hearts, and it cries out: “Abba, Father!”
does this verse indicate that Christians hAve or where given multiple spirits by God?, No!
We understand this verse when we look at how the holy spirit came to dwell with Christians.
Joh 14:26But the helper, the holy spirit, which the Father will send in my name, that one will teach you all things and bring back to your minds all the things I told you.
who sent the holy spirit ? The father, the god of jesus Christ.
In whose name did the father send the holy spirit? in the name of jesus!
unless you want to claim that God sent multiple spirits into our hearts, then the above is true!

Read this verses

Ro 5:5and the hope does not lead to disappointment; because the love of God has been poured out into our hearts through the holy spirit, which was given to us.
Ro 8:14 [color=redFor all who are led by God’s spirit are indeed God’s sons.[/color]
Ro 8:15For you did not receive a spirit of slavery causing fear again, but you received a spirit of adoption as sons, by which spirit we cry out: “Abba, Father!”
Ro 8:17If, then, we are children, we are also heirs—heirs indeed of God, but joint heirs with Christ—provided we suffer together so that we may also be glorified together.
Christ is an heir of God, Christians are also heirs of God.
Christ is son of God, Christians will also be adopted as sons of God, becoming joint heirs with Christ.
No wonder the scriptures says they are brothers with jesus , but son of God, the almighty God does not have brothers

pls, when you reply this post, pls add your views and understanding of the scriptures you quoted and the scriptures I used in explaining.

solite3:
where did I tell you physical body goes to hell? Na wao. Your twisted understanding cannot make you to see things clearly anymore.

get serious, stop trying to be cunning, did I say physical body?

DoctorAlien:
The Bible did not say "in the beginning was the word formed".
The Bible says the Word was there in the beginning.

the word " was " has already showed you what happened in the beginning

DoctorAlien:
Why did you dodge the question you quoted? Answer it please with "yes" or "no".

wisdom, when personified , says he was created!
now pls tell us what you understand by proverbs 8: 22-30

DoctorAlien:
1. Jesus Christ
2. GOD
3. GOD
4. Jesus Christ

What ambiguity is there to that verse?

so you can see where you got it wrong , Jesus does not have a son called Jesus!, 2,3, and 4 are referring to the same person.
who did Jesus identify as the only true God? The father!

Jesus has come so that we may know him, the father that is the only true God, we are in him that is true, even in his son(the son of him that is true)Jesus Christ. This one(the one that is true) is the true God. go and read John 17:3

DoctorAlien:
1. Jesus Christ
2. GOD
3. GOD
4. Jesus Christ

What ambiguity is there to that verse?

so you can see where you got it wrong , Jesus does not have a son called Jesus!, 2,3, and 4 are referring to the same person.
who did Jesus identify as the only true God? The father!

DoctorAlien:
Reply to the contradiction I accused you of in the that post you quoted.

the fact is that their is no contradiction, if you can quote verse 5 and 6 and tell us what the devil meant, you will realise that their is no contradiction

Revelation15:
My dear friend, you indeed do not make any sense when you say satan was tempting God the father through Jesus Christ. The scriptures say Jesus went in the wilderness to be tempted by satan and now you say ooh NO, JESUS wasnt the one tempted it was god the father. hahaha

pls qoute my exact words, let's see if it corresponds to what you said.
Secondly pls quote verses 5 and 6 and tell us what the devil meant by his words.

DoctorAlien:
Omnipresent - present everywhere at the same time.

Now, answer my question: are you saying Jesus is not omnipresent?

no , jesus is not omnipresent!, he is not present everywhere at the same time. and example is what happened to Stephen, he told us where jesus is, despite jesus seeing what is happening to Stephen.
If jesus was everywhere, he want be going anywhere or coming from anywhere!