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johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart


what a phony

dolphinheart:
"it has been established that God and Jesus are two different persons, there if you make Jesus to be that same God, then your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."




god is two persons in one!, a two headed god!."

Ha ha phony, they are exactly the same, when you lied - denied saying it, I quoted your whole sentence showing that you did indeed say it

and this one:
" dolphinheart said that god and the word" is a two headed god"

is true, your sentence above is saying that God and the Word is "a two headed god", your lying and twisting of words doesn't change that at all





Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

the OP was about John 1:1 and the Word being God

lie lie dolphinheart referred to the God of John 1:1 as being "a two headed god"

dolphinheart:
"it has been established that God and Jesus are two different persons, there if you make Jesus to be that same God, then your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."



God and the Word is God, dolphinheart called God, "a two headed god'


you way heap big lie lie dolphinheart, and worse, you blaspheme God

continue with your desperate attempt to explain my own words, I don't mind, sincere ones will see through your folly.
months now Ive asked you to a least once, just show the world the full text of that post, you refuse to.
I've asked you to show the world where you responded to my explanation on the scriptures you mentioned, you refused to.
You have a right to believe anything, ive shown your accusation to be false, it came out of deliberate manipulation of my words and can only be sustained if you believe what it means is different from what the originator of those words believe it means.
everyone again pls note
1. I never called god and the word a two headed god
2. I never called god a two headed god
3. you can notice he is always trying to avoid the part that says "your god is two persons in one".
only If he can be confident enough to post the full text of my post, but he will come up with some excuse.

solite3:
Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

brocab, I know you might not respond to the post bout spirit going to hell, but the one who you claim to be your brother has just posted a verse that exposes your false spirit theory further.
your false teaching on Jesus is the father has Been exposed by your other brother, we might bring that issue up later too

johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart

you know as well as I that your quoted statement has not been modified,
no parts of your full sentence has been cut off, modified, removed , or adjusted, as you know
you just cannot help but lie lie post after post
dolphinheart:
"it has been established that God and Jesus are two different persons, there if you make Jesus to be that same God, then your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."

@ bolded, was this how you put my words when you first started with your false accusations? no , I've provided proof of how you cut off parts of my sentence, everyone pls see below, look at his accusation on what I said and pls look at the bolded above and check if some words has not been cut off , removed and modified from my sentence.

On June 29, 2:49 am , page 101 of these thread, johnw74 accused me of saying:
"Of course the same Lie Lies all over again from phony dolphinheart, at least now he is admitting that he said:
god is two persons in one!, a two headed god!."

On that same post he also said this :
"where blaspheming dolphinheart said:
god is two persons in one!, a two headed god!.

for you to know how far back this false accusation had been, pls look at his post on may 26 , 1:37 am , page 64 of these thread.
In that post he said :
[b]" dolphinheart said that god and the word" is a two headed god"

PLEASE EVERYONE , CAN YOU SEE THAT HIS ACCUSATIONS OR WHAT HE IS CLAIMING I SAID IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT I ACTUALLY SAID!
JOHNW74, YOU CANNOT CLAIM YOU DID NOT CUT OFF, MODIFY, REMOVED PARTS OF MY SENTENCE!

your sentence was left exactly the way it was, oh dubious one

your manipulation of my sentence has been shown to you above once again.

no part of your post has been modified giving a diffrent understanding and explanations,
here it is again exactly the way you wrote it, isn't that so lie lie
dolphinheart:
"it has been established that God and Jesus are two different persons, there if you make Jesus to be that same God, then your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."

everyone can see that you did not leave my sentence the way it was, it was deliberately done so that it can be manipulated and given a different explanation, all this is done while cutting off the rest of the post
so that everyone wunt see it!

lie lie I rightly accused you and continue to, and modified nothing in your sentence, your sentence has not once been modified,
I have explained your sentence although it doesn't need explaining it's very clear that you referred to God and the Word as "a two headed god"

you explained MY OWN WORDS!, are you dolphinheart?, if you don't understand my words ask and it shall be explained to you. Don't give it your own warped and false explanation!

to show you his desperation pls compare his statement above with the statement he make months ago on these thread :
(statement made 11:34 pm, may 26 on these thread by johnw74 )
and now dolphinheart says he didn't call god and the Word "a two headed god"

he is desperately trying to explain my own words and at the same time refusing to post the full text of that post!, but months ago he already knew I was not calling god and the word a two headed god!.

lie lie dolphinheart:
"it has been established that God and Jesus are two different persons, there if you make Jesus to be that same God, then your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John showed that God and the Word was "God"

lie lie dolphinheart referred to God and the Word as in John 1"1 as "a two headed god"

you just a way big lie lie

lie lie dolphinheart your near every word is a lie

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

1. pls post my the full text of my post
2. remember you could not respond constructively when I told you about John 1:1
3. you have refused to show us where you responded to my explanation of the scriptures you mentioned!

brocab:
Without proof we have the rights to believe how we choose, and its your fault you have given us reasons to believe you are many?
Not just one writer, because dolphinheart writes things that he/she cant remember, and denies it after you have written it.
When we look into John74 statement, you had written about the two headed God, aby nd when questioned about such statement you denied 'you had even written such a statement.
You are either a liar or their's someone else calling themselves dolphinheart that you allow to write on your IP.

did I deny that I never wrote about a two headed God? no
I refuse to accept modified statements whereby parts of my full sentence is being cut off, modified, removed , or adjusted . I do not deny my own sentences.
If you say I said something, leave my sentences the way they are when mentioning what I said.
Secondly , do not try to explain what I said to suit or own whims while deliberately cutting off other sentences of mine that goes a long way in explaining what I said , only dubious people do that.

third , I've asked and begged you guys to post the full text of my post where those sentences of mine are, you claim to have seen my post, but even you could not post the full text here so that I can explain my own words. you prefer taking snippets out of that post, modifying it and then giving it your own understanding and explanations.

did you question me about my statements?no , you falsely accused me after modifying my sentence, initially refusing to quote my sentence in full and preferring to explain my sentence even when you had the courage to quote them.
A request for a the full text of that post has been made, yet you have not posted it on this thread!

youngguru23:
I knw there are many Pharaoh

so which of them was moh armed talking about, do you know his name? can you identify him?

more

PlS who are the others!

One of the religious leaders said the world is at war, but religion is not the cause, guys please look at this pictures

simi4me:
Satan was in existence before the earth was formed , don't you guys for once reason that he knows all this things and must have told one of the demons to pretend to be Gabriel n go and tell Mohammed these things?

possible
but seun has shown that wateva Moharmed was referring to is definitely not what the op is referring to , especially the pictures.

youngguru23:
Most of the mummies preserved is differ from that of Pharaoh

hope you read number 2
2. All or nearly all pharaohs had their bodies preserved before Moharmed was born, every one knows that, they are still in existence today.

or do you think their was only one pharaoh?

youngguru23:
Lemme Add

We brought the tribe of Israel across the sea, and Pharaoh and his troops pursued them out of tyranny and enmity. Then,when he was on the point of drowning, he [Pharaoh] said: "I believe that there is no god but Him in Whom the tribe of Israel believes. I am one of the Muslims." (Qur'an, 10:90)

"What, now! When previously you rebelled and were one of the corrupters? Today we will preserve your body so you can be a Sign for people who come after you. Surely many peopleare heedless of Our Signs." (Qur'an, 10:91-92)

Can somebody explain how he know this too?

Today body Pharaoh is still preserve in Egypt.

Why other dead body scientist are trying to preserve doesn't work like that of Pharaoh?

1. The incident happened thousands of years before moharmed was born, story was passed down in most tribes and races
2. All or nearly all pharaohs had their bodies preserved before Moharmed was born, every one knows that, they are still in existence today.
3. The Koran or mohamed could not identify which pharaoh died in the red sea, hence he left the story ambiguous.
4. There are a lot of mummies that where we'll preserved in Egypt today

brocab:
Thanks brother for the encouragement, the truth will always be revealed, and it is done by special people like yourselves, we are doing, what the JW's should be doing, we are spreading the word of God across the nations.
And of course the enemy will always try to destroy us doing that, the Lord warned us this will happen, and sure enough 'this keeps me going, when I read the word of God, and it's the word that pushes me to continual to spread the word further into the enemies camp.
I enjoy most of all 'that the word of God will always push Satan and his army backwards, and the darkness will never prevail.
Jesus had won the battle, now and forevermore.
And I believe dolphinheart are more then one, one that doesn't know, what the other one is doing.

@ brocab and solite3, a beg, who be dolphinsheart, cus I've not seen any of his or her post on this thread.
brocab, pls give proof of your belief.
I've shown all about the existence of solite3

brocab:
After reading your page-this must be so difficult for you to comprehend, it shows every time you reply back, your first reaction is negative, which shows you don't even read up on the word, most people would try to understand before replying back, but you aren't most people, you just don't think about things-you jump straight in, without acknowledging.
The blind, leading the blind.

1. are my replies negative ? no , my replies are based on issues under discussion, I don't like dwell on issues that are not under discussion or changing the topic all the time. so once I see you are trying to change the topic or talking about something else , I will tell you that you are going astray. The present topic is about where the spirit , soul, body goes at death!
2. whenever you mention a scripture verse, and what you say is different from what the verse says, I do not hesitate to expose you.
3. do I read up on what you say? yes I do, notice that most times I'm the one who helps you to quote the verses that you mention. you can also notice that I do respond to each main point in your post, I separate them and respond to each accordingly.

{Luke 16:22-26} explains it quite well-but your reactions are always on the argumentative side.

luke 16: 22-26 explains what quite well?
my reactions are based on the falsehood you are trying to pass along

Well if you don't understand it, then find someone else who can 'and explain it for you?

exCape tactics

But what you haven't noticed both died, both were buried back to dust, and yet both spirits are still alive.
the bold part is a lie!, the verses never said so! or implied so!

[quote]{Ecclesiastes 12:7, 3:20} Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was, and the Spirit shall return unto God who give it. All go to the same place all come from dust, and to dust all return.

brocab ,did you really read those verses? did you really understand what it is telling you? cus I don't think so!. I will post those verses again and explain them to you!
King James Version
Ec 12:7Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
can you see how these verse exposes you?
1. It says the "spirit returns to God who gave it". did it say the spirit goes to hell? no!
2. look at the verse again, the scripture says man is from dust and returns to dust when he dies, this verse support that statement, it used the word "return", if you don't come from somewhere or something , you don't return to it!
The same word was used for the spirit too, it says the spirit "returns". Did it say the spirit returns to hell? no , it says the spirit returns to God!, the scriptures says the spirit belongs to god!
If you say the spirit goes to hell after man dies , then you are trying to imply that the spirit of man comes from hell as the verse uses the word "return" for spirit too.
but unlike your false theories the scriptures make it clear about where the spirit comes from(this verses I shall point, not to you, but to those reading this thread).
3. did you notice what the scriptures called the spirit in man, it called it an "it", hope you understand why?

King James Version
Ec 3:20All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
1. The verse says all are of dust. do we have scriptures that go along with these words
[b]Job 10:9Remember, please, that you made me out of clay, But now you make me return to dust.
Ps 103:14For he well knows how we are formed, Remembering that we are dust.
this verses go along with what God called man and how he created man. MAN IS DUST!
2. The verse also supports the other verses that states where man goes when man dies, RETURNS TO DUST!

The problem is' you can't read between the lines-when we read the scriptures-we read it with meaning. Everybody who reads about anything, always looks for the answers, but in your case you don't.
As you can read our flesh returns to the ground-we are made from dust and we will return to dust-but the Spirit remains.

YOU CAN LIE!, did those verses say the spirit remains? no , it says the spirit returns! to who! to the one who gave it! God!. you mentioned the outcome of the flesh, you decided to change the outcome of the spirit! liar!

So this proves our flesh ends up back where it came from

and so does the spirit sir! don't try and change its outcome!

{Adam was made from dust} while our Spirits roam, the rich man died and buried and yet his spirit knows he is in Hades being tormented by fire. {The meaning of Hell-Sheol, Hades, Gehenna}

did the verse says the spirit roams? no stop false teachings!
did the verses say that it was the rich man spirit that went to Hades ? no
PLS , NOTICE THAT HE MENTIONED HELL, SHEOL ,HADES AND GEHENNA, I BELIEVE THAT HE IS TRYING TO IMPLY THAT THE WORDS MEAN THE SAME THING AND IT'S ONLY THE SPIRIT THAT GOES THERE. ONCE WE ARE CLEAR ON WHERE THE SPIRIT GOES, I WILL USE THE SCRIPTURES TO EXPOSE HIS FALSE TEACHINGS FURTHER ABOUT THOSE WORDS.
NOTE: if he means something different, he is expected to state and tell us the meaning of hell, sheol, Hades and Gehenna.

brocab, you keep on saying the rich man's spirit is in Hades , but you refuse to touch the second part of the issue which asked where the body and soul goes to!
leeme ask you a straight question: does the soul goes to hell(pls notice if he will answer)

This means our Spirit feels everything our flesh feels, even after we die, the rich man felt himself burning, and he knew he was in Hades.

false analogy!

The rich man was begging Abraham to cool down his tongue with a tip of water, and the rich man describes Hades burning with fire of torment, if this isn't telling you he is in Hell another word used for Hades-then at least share a little light on this subject and tell the world, Hades isn't Hell, a place of torment-and our Spirits no-longer feels the pain after we die?

I will shed more light on this , but we must first know where the spirit, soul and body goes, themy it will be easy to know what happens to them there.

And why is the rich man begging Abraham to send Lazarus back to his family, didn't the rich man realise no-one can come back from the dead, not even in Spirit {except through Jesus}

off topic!

to preper for his reply and next set of false teachings about man and where his spirit goes at death, plso read this verses.

[b]Ec 3:18-20 I also said in my heart about the sons of men that the true God will test them and show them that they are like animals,
Ec 3:19for there is an outcome for humans and an outcome for animals; they all have the same outcome. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit. So man has no superiority over animals, for everything is futile.
Ec 3:20All are going to the same place. They all come from the dust, and they all are returning to the dust.
Ps 104:29When you hide your face, they are disturbed. If you take away their spirit, they die and return to the dust.
Ps 146:3, 4Do not put your trust in princes Nor in a son of man, who cannot bring salvation.4His spirit goes out, he returns to the ground; [Color=blue]On that very day his thoughts perish.[/color]
Ec 9:10Whatever your hand finds to do, do with all your might, for there is no work nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom in the Grave, where you are going.
Ge 3:19In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.”
Ge 2:7And Jehovah God went on to form the man out dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living person/*soul.
Job 27:3As long as my breath is within me And spirit from God is in my nostrils
Job 34:14, 15If he fixes his attention on them, If he gathers their spirit and breath to himself,15All humans would perish together, And mankind would return to the dust.

There are also other verses we might look into later.

solite3:
author=dolphinheart post=47817729]



so you deny Jesus resurrection so you mean Jesus materialise body to persuade his disciples that he was not a spirit whereas he is a spirit?

y did u avoid KJV? Because it will expose you.

oh I understand there are different entities using this moniker

and I quoted to you that Jesus has always been a life giving spirit. That verse is a comparism between the last Adam and the first adam.

[ how does this prove me wrong? It is Christ that gives life through his spirit!
Romans 8:9-11
So Paul was talking about the spiritual ability of the last adam

@ bold lol are you telling me that when Christ was on earth he was not Adam? Are you telling me Christ couldn't give life when he was on earth? Christ said his words where spirit and life! Does this not tell you the kind of spirit Christ is? @ your confusion Paul was telling you that Christ is not just a living soul
1Ti 3:16Indeed, the sacred secret of this godly devotion is admittedly great: ‘He was made manifest in flesh, was declared righteous in spirit, appeared to angels, was preached about among nations, was believed upon in the world, was received up in glory.’


Christ became a life giving spirit [ to sinful men ] when he God send him to die for the sin of the world not after his resurrection. If not Christ death would have been in vain. Christ became a life giving spirit to us by his coming not that Christ was not a life giving spirit before coming but this verse is used in respect to his humanity.
keep on accusing yourself there


keep on living a delusion. Christ grave is empty! Go and see it for yourself! Jesus is alive!
yes spiritual bodies not spirit bodies!
sir again I tell you one more time, no physicAl body for those going to heaven, flesh and blood cannot inherit God's Kingdom, how do you expect it's ruler to have physical body!


can a spirit materialise flesh and bone? Yes. The scriptures gives us many examples.
Jesus was tellin them that what they are seeing is not a vision or an apparition, it's the real him! materialising a body that they can see and touch!
There are also examples in which spirits appear in dreams, visions and other ways that are not physical, but this is different, and that is what Jesus is trying to calm their minds about.
so you mean Jesus was trying to calm them by deceiving them?

first you lied about what luke 14: 24 said :
King James Version
Lu 14:24For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper.

so Jesus resurrected with flesh and bones and no blood?wow!
well Jesus said this concerning the ransom :
King James Version
Joh 6:51I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
Heb 10:10By this “will” we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all time

Lu 22:19Also, he took a loaf, gave thanks, broke it, and gave it to them, saying: “This means my body, which is to be given in your behalf. Keep doing this in remembrance of me.”
Lu 22:20Also, he did the same with the cup after they had the evening meal, saying: “This cup means the new covenant by virtue of my blood, which is to be poured out in your behalf.


no problem, keep on running away from the questions and refusing to explain those scriptures!


spirit have spirit bodies, and can also materialise physical bodies for us to feel and touch!

wateva sir, that does not stop you from tellING us what they will be resurrected as, flesh and blood or spirit creatures? it is obvious you are the liar you who denies the resurrection of Christ. Christ body was not found in the grave wat does that tell you? The bible clearly stated in 1 cor 11:24 that Christ body was broken. God preserved his body. Jesus himself said destroy this temple and on the third day I will raise it up again.

TO CATCH THIS LIAR
Dolphinsheart wat is resurrection?
When Jesus died was it his spirit that died?
How come a spirit is now the one that resurrected when a spirit did not die?
When moses and Elijah appeared with Jesus were they spirits?
If yes then Christ is not the first?
If Christ is a spirit then he was not resurrected? And then the hope of Christians are perish
I will not reply you again.
You are heading towards HELL FIRE if you don't repent

ive waited for a while thinking you made a mistake and will modify this post. pls modify so I can respond, stop using my words to make it look like it's you that said it!

The questions where : now pls give us a scripture that says spirit of man goes to hell fire?
and then tell us where the rest(body,soul)goes!

let's see if he could answer!

brocab:
{Luke 16:22-26} If this scripture doesn't tell you, nothing will.

22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried.
23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side.
24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’
25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony.
26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’
1. is there any mention that their spirit went to hell fire? noooooo!
2. is the word "spirit" even mentioned their? noooooo!

Think about this 'if someone was burnt to death-does it mean they still have a body of flesh and blood after they die, with what the scripture say's which way doe's the Spirit go? Does it roam around until it finds pasture, or is it directed to a place where He/she's past life {chosen} it to be.
Like with the story above about the rich man and the poor man.

you could not show that the spirit goes to hell you are now using style style and philosophy of men to adjust the issue.
BROCAB, THE SCRIPTURES NEVER EVER SAID SPIRIT OF MAN GOES TO HELL! SUCH THOUGHTS COME OUT OF YOUR MAN MADE IDEALOGIES!

you could not answer the first part, so no need to ask you where the others(soul and body)go , cus you will fail to answer that one too!

Elohim1:
What Happens During Fertilization?? Sperm meets What??

sperm meets egg, but I thought the discussion was about fertilised egg and not unfertilised one, or are you saying the egg (in the female) could possibly be used for reproduction without the sperm?

Secondly, pls which came first, the egg in the femaLe Chicken or the female chicken?

annunaki2:
That one too has been scientifically proven naa

REPLAY!

brocab:
The spirit will do! The words I said is hell fire, not he'll fire.

now pls give us a scripture that says spirit of man goes to hell fire?
and then tell us where the rest(body,soul)goes!

solite3:
author=dolphinheart post=47753279]
silence? what silence?

how did change my words?

7:13th, July 16 solite3: " Jesus said he is not a spirit."
10:14 pa July 19: solite3: "Jesus himself said he had flesh and bones which which spirits do not have"

a beg pls quote the verse.

Hahaha u now agreed that Jesus has flesh and bones now! Ah is it I that said spirits do not have flesh and bones? @ cancelled if spirits has flesh and bones can you call them spirits? So Jesus was lying when he said spirits do not have flesh and bones

of course , jesus materialised flesh and bones for his disciples to see and feel and know they are not seeing a vision, angels could materialise human bodies to be seen by men!

busted
Look at what the bible says
1peter 3:18
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but [i]quickened by the spirit[
@ bold did you spot the difference

1.you could not even quote any, both the one you said I read and the one you said I did not read.
2. you could not even show how it exposes me.
3. you could not even try to explain those verses
4. I never quoted 2 peter 3:18 on these issue to you, I quoted 1 peter 3: 18 which says :
New International Version
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death [b]in the body but made alive in the Spirit.
English Standard Version
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit,
Berean Literal Bible
because Christ also suffered once for sins,
the righteous for the unrighteous, so that He might bring you to God, having been put to death indeed in the flesh, but having been made alive [/b]in the spirit,[/b]
New American Standard Bible
For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;
King James Bible
Holman Christian Standard Bible
For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that He might bring you to God, after being put to death in the fleshly realm but made alive in the spiritual realm.
New American Standard 1977
For Christ also died...... in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit
American Standard Version
Because......being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;
Darby Bible Translation
for Christ indeed has once suffered..... being put to death in flesh, but made alive in [the] Spirit,
English Revised Version
Because Christ also suffered for sins once, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God; being put to death in the flesh, but quickened in the spirit;[/b]

did I spot the difference?, yes I did!

good
you are DEAD IN SPIRIT DOLPHINSHEART! YOU HEAR ME? DEAD I SAY

who is dolphinsheart?

For the same of readers
Why did Paul refer to Jesus as a life giving spirit?

pls note, the scriptures said Jesus BECAME a life giving spirit!, just as Adam became a soul!

First of all consider what Jesus said in John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profits nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Joh 6:63It is the spirit that is life-giving; the flesh is of no use at all. The sayings that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.

pls everyone, always notice the full words in the verse and don't allow people cherry pick explanations for you.
Do we have scriptures that support this verse ? Yes!
Ga 6:8because the one sowing with a view to his flesh will reap corruption from his flesh, but the one sowing with a view to the spirit will reap everlasting life from the spirit.
De 8:3So he humbled you and let you go hungry and fed you with the manna, which neither you had known nor your fathers had known, in order to make you know that man does not live by bread alone but man lives by every expression from Jehovah’s mouth.
Mt 4:4But he answered: “It is written: ‘Man must live, not on bread alone, but on every word that comes from Jehovah’s mouth.’”
in reference to the spirit Jesus was talking about hope you saw where he said in the verse:" The sayings that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life."

And also read John1:4 In him was life and the life was the light of men

yep, Jesus could give life, God has granted him such power, when he was resurrected as a spirit(which he was before coming to earth), he still has that power , he became a life giving spirit!
1Ti 3:16Indeed, the sacred secret of this godly devotion is admittedly great: ‘He was made manifest in flesh, was declared righteous in spirit, appeared to angels, was preached about among nations, was believed upon in the world, was received up in glory.’

John11:25
I am the resurrection and the life; he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live.

yep, Jesus as a spirit will give life to them!

In 1cor 15:45 Paul referring to Christ's own spiritual attribute as a life giving spirit

no sir, the scripture was referring to what Jesus is , what he BECAME!.

For example Paul says Christians are seated with Christ in the heavenlies. Do we now take it to mean Christians are already in heaven? Obviously no! So looking beyond the letter and understanding the spirit of it, is the key to understanding the bible. For the letter killeth but the spirit gives life

you told us what is not saying when he you said " Paul says", but you refuse to tell what Paul is saying!

Paul was obviously comparing the spiritual attributes of Christ to that of Adam while Adam was just a living soul Christ is a life giving spirit this does not in anyway mean Christ was resurrected as a spirit for even while Jesus was on earth he expressed his ability to give life showing the type of spirit he is.
Christ was both spirit and body! But it is the spirit of Christ that gives life

you forget, the verse was talking about resurrection! you don't recieve the body you sowed!
The verse did not say Adam was just a living soul, it said : Adam BECAME A LIVING SOUL!

in relation to such resurrection the scripture said
1Co 15:44It is sown a physical body; it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one

sir again I tell you one more time, no physicAl body for those going to heaven, flesh and blood cannot inherit God's Kingdom, how do you expect it's ruler to have physical body!

Luke24:37-39
37. But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38. And he said unto them, why are ye troubled? And why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39. Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
But lie lie dolphinsheart says Jesus was a spirit

can a spirit materialise flesh and bone? Yes. The scriptures gives us many examples.
Jesus was tellin them that what they are seeing is not a vision or an apparition, it's the real him! materialising a body that they can see and touch!
There are also examples in which spirits appear in dreams, visions and other ways that are not physical, but this is different, and that is what Jesus is trying to calm their minds about.

Its either you believe Jesus words or not!
Again you said it was Jesus flesh that was the ransom
But look at what Jesus said in Luke14:24 that his blood is the new testament.
Again in the bible the blood is life of animal and the law states that life must be for life and without sharing of blood there is no forgiveness. The blood of Christ poured out is what must go for life to return to man not his flesh. That's y Jesus resurrected with flesh and bones.

first you lied about what luke 14: 24 said :
King James Version
Lu 14:24For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper.

so Jesus resurrected with flesh and bones and no blood?wow!
well Jesus said this concerning the ransom :
King James Version
Joh 6:51I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
Heb 10:10By this “will” we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all time

Lu 22:19Also, he took a loaf, gave thanks, broke it, and gave it to them, saying: “This means my body, which is to be given in your behalf. Keep doing this in remembrance of me.”
Lu 22:20Also, he did the same with the cup after they had the evening meal, saying: “This cup means the new covenant by virtue of my blood, which is to be poured out in your behalf.

what I said is only different from what the verse says because you lack comprehension

no problem, keep on running away from the questions and refusing to explain those scriptures!

@ bold thank God you know @ cancelled spirit do not have bodies

spirit have spirit bodies, and can also materialise physical bodies for us to feel and touch!

which one is those going to heaven? All Christians are going to heaven.

wateva sir, that does not stop you from tellING us what they will be resurrected as, flesh and blood or spirit creatures?

I'm a layman and will appreciate if I'm being corrected without derogatory speech.

which came first, chicken or the egg
pls is the chicken egg not a chicken, even though it's not fully formed?
due Im of the view that the DNA of the egg and the chicken are the same.

Some say eggs came first, please where did the egg of the chicken come from if not from chicken

okay some say it's from dinsoars, are those dinosaurs that later became chicken not chicken, though bigger in size and in different forms?

This brings the question , which came first, the dinosaurs that layed the egg or the egg that became dinosaurs.

@op, please what about camel urine and housefly wings!

brocab:
Interesting? The further we hear more on these subjects the more closest the JW's are facing the place they refuse to believe Hell fire ever existed.
Which of course is sad-God see's everybody equal, and yet the JW's and other religions, have refused and have turned their backs against Christ, living a life of fear and torment { 2 Timothy 3:7} Always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. And that Christ ever existed.
I pray that all man kind will study the word of God-and find the love of Christ, buried deep down within their hearts, and be set free and delivered them from all their pains and their un-forgiven natures, that they have carried with them since time began.
I pray the JW's will lead people to Christ, and not the Watchtower organisation.

brocab, pls tell us, what goes to he'll fire, the spirit, the body, the soul, two of them or all three?

solite3:
its like my silence is not helping you.

silence? what silence?

Jesus himself said he had flesh and bones which which spirits do not have ,Jesus grave is still empty till today

sir, I did ask you to quote the verse na, all you did is to change your words from jess said he is not a spirit to jesus said he had flesh and bones which spirits do not have.
who told you spirits cannot have flesh and bones sir?

U quote verses upside down and then use it for argument
U read 2 peter 3:18 y don't u read vs 19 and see how it exposes you

1.you could not even quote any, both the one you said I read and the one you said I did not read.
2. you could not even show how it exposes me.
3. you could not even try to explain those verses
4. I never quoted 2 peter 3:18 on these issue to you, I quoted 1 peter 3: 18 which says :
1Pe 3:18For Christ died once for all time for sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit.

As for 1 cor 15:50 did Jesus tell you he was flesh and blood?

not jesus did not tell me he was flesh and blood when he ascended to heaven, this is what the disciples said about inheriting gods kingdom:
1Co 15:50But I tell you this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom, nor does corruption inherit incorruption[/u]

1 cor 15:45 is clearly distinguishing the kind of spirit Christ has. Christ has both spirit and body just like Adam but Christ is a life giving spirit but Adam is just a living soul.

you are wrong sir!, it does not distinguish the kind of spirit jesus had let's look at the verse again:
1Co 15:45So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living person.” The last Adam
became a life-giving SPIRIT.
from the book of genesis, we know how the first Adam became a living soul.
King James Version
Ge 2:7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
this verse says the last adam(jesus) became a life giving spirit!, the word "became" , tells us what jesus Christ is . He is a life giving spirit, a spirit that could give life, it does not mean he had a spirit that could give life.
When God resurrected jesus, he resurrected him as a spirit( which he was before), and this spirit has the power to give life!. jesus was a spirit before becoming flesh, and became a spirit after giving that flesh as a ransom sacrifice for us,he could not have taken it back after giving it on our behalf!
Read this verses :
[b]1Co 15:35Nevertheless, someone will say: “How are the dead to be raised up? Yes, with what sort of body are they coming?”
1Co 15:36You unreasonable person! What you sow is not made alive unless first it dies.
1Co 15:37And as for what you sow, you sow, not the body that will develop, but just a bare grain, whether of wheat or of some other kind of seed;
1Co 15:38 but God gives it a body just as it has pleased him, and gives to each of the seeds its own body.
1Co 15:40And there are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies; but the glory of the heavenly bodies is one sort, and that of the earthly bodies is a different sort.
1Co 15:42So it is with the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised up in incorruption.
1Co 15:44 It is sown a physical body; it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one.
1Co 15:47 The first man is from the earth and made of dust; the second man is from heaven.
1Co 15:48Like the one made of dust, so too are those made of dust; and like the heavenly one, so too are those who are heavenly.
1Co 15:49And just as we have borne the image of the one made of dust, we will bear also the image of the heavenly one.
sir, you cannot take your flesh and blood to heaven!

The spirit of Christ is the quickening spirit read romans 8:11
But if the spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall quicken your mortal bodies by his spirit that dwelleth in you.

Ro 8:11If, now, the spirit of him who raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the one who raised up Christ Jesus from the dead will also make your mortal bodies alive through his spirit that resides in you.
what you said is different from what the verse said . plso tell
1. who or what is "the spirit of him that/who raised jesus from the dead!
2.who is the one who raised up Christ from the dead cus it's this one that owns or has the spirit that will make our mortal bodies alive.
3. is this verse talking about resurrection?

Readers can see that the spirit that raised up Jesus from the dead is also the quickening spirit that will raise the believers.

now will those believers be able to give life too? no , jesus is a life giving spirit, not a flesh and gone with a spirit that can give life!

Paul refers to Christ as a quickening spirit cause Christ is the spirit that gives life but it does not mean Christ does not have a body.

sure Christ has a body, a spirit one!, Christ is a spirit that can give life!

Readers should note that some of Paul's words may be hard to understand which peter also confirms.

haha!, it's you that's finding it hard to twist his words!. adam became a living soul, jesus became a life giving spirit! simple!

The best way to understand Paul is to look at what Jesus said but Jehovah witnesses refuse while twisting Paul's words same thing they do with other verses.
2 peter 3:15-16

that verse is referring to you, who is trying to twist Paul's words.
lemme ask you, those who will be resurrected to heaven, what will they be resurrected as, flesh and blood or spirit creatures?

continued.... solite3

do you believe Jesus when he said he is not a spirit yes or no?

solite3, I told you to show us the verse where jesus said "he is not a spirit".
I quoted some verses to you, you refuse to respond to them, I'll quote them again
1Pe 3:18For Christ died once for all time for sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit.
1Co 15:50But I tell you this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom, nor does corruption inherit incorruption
1Co 15:45So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living person.” The last Adam
became a life-giving SPIRIT.

The second Adam abi? What is the meaning of Adam? Was Adam a spirit being?

Adam was not a spirit being!, but the second Adam became a life giving spirit!

The spirit of Christ is a life giving spirit.

that is not what the verse said.

But Christ is not spirit but he possesses both spirit and body. But unlike the first Adam his, is a life giving spirit.

that is not what the scripture tells us, stop formulating theories sir!
flesh and blood cannot inherit God's Kingdom!

analice107:
You have called him a liar, meanwhile, what you said is not true.

pls tell, what did I say!

solite3:
pls shorten your posts thank you.

because of the scriptures I have to quote, the post is sometimes longer than intended.
I'll like to emphasis some points from that part of the post
1. Jesus is an heir, an heir to someone who made him to be an heir.
2. Jesus sits at the right hand of God, God commanded him to sit their

Believe me or not this wat philippians says
2:9 wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every other name.
The name Jesus is the one the Father has chosen.

you quote Phil 2: 9 , but your previous question is different , you are asking me if Jesus has the highest name, I'm telling you that that cannot be so , cus Jesus name cannot be higher than the person who gave him that name!

you are free to quote from any translation but don't say it is wrong because it does not support your ideology.

if I can prove it's wrong and you cannot counter such proof, then it is wrong!

philippians 2: 9-11
9. God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every other name:
10. That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things on earth, and things under the earth
11. And every tongue should that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the father.
Exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them nor serve them: for I the LORD am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children from first to the forth generation of them that hate me.
But now the father is commanding all creation to bow down to the name of Jesus!

1. It is a fact that the scriptures or those verses did not say " Jesus is glorified as the highest over all the land and his name has the same authority as the name "jehovah" has in the old testament.". This views emanated from you and not from the scriptures.

2. let's examine Phil 2:9-11
A. verse 9 says god has "highly exalted jesus". One fact we get out of this is that the person who is called "God" in this verse is different from Jesus. hope that is an agreed fact that this person is called God!
Now did this part say Jesus is exalted above God? no
did it say Jesus is exalted to God's level? no
did it say Jesus is now equal to god? no
it simply tells us that God exalted Jesus to a higher position , Jesus would not have been exalted to that position if Jesus had one had that position, therefore for a fact that Jesus was exalted to a higher position that he did not have before shows you that Jesus is not almighty God, almighty God does not, has never, will not have a position higher than him.
Do we have other verses that shed more light on this exaltation? Yes !
isa 52:13 Look! My servant will act with insight. He will be raised up high, He will be elevated and greatly exalted.
Ac 2:32, 33 God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses.33 Therefore, because he was exalted to the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out what you see and hear.
this verses shows us that this exaltation was for Jesus to sit at God's right hand! and for angels and authorities and powers to be made subject to him.
* read rom 8:34, 1 pet 3:22.
The verse also tells us that God gave him a name "which is above every other name name". does this verse indicate that this name is equal to gods name? no
does it say the name given is above the name of the one who gave him the name? no
do we have other scriptures that help us to understand this part better? Yes
Eph 1:17-21 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him.
18He has......
19and how surpassing the greatness of his power is toward us believers. It is according to the operation of the mightiness of his strength,
Eph 1:20which he exercised toward Christ when he raised him up from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places,
Eph 1:21far above every government and authority and power and lordship and every name that is named, not only in this system of things but also in that to come.
Jesus being able to sit at gods right hand is due to God's mightiness which he exercised towards Jesus.
Jesus having authority above all other authority and power and every name that is named is due to the operation of the mightiness of the strength of God which he exercised towards Jesus. It was god who seated Jesus at his right hand.

B. let's look at verse 10 and 11.
This verses helps us to understand that every knee should bend in Jesus name because Jesus has been exalted to a position far above everyone. does this mean that God too would bend to Jesus? no!
verse 11 says that everyone should confess that Jesus is what ? Lord!, did it say that everyone should confess that Jesus is God? or equal to God? no
And if everyone bows to Jesus ,who did the verse say receives the glory? GOD!
therefore your quoting exodus 20:5 does not change anything for it is God that made such commandment and when such commandment is carried out, the glory is to him!
This is in opposite of bowing down to those idols cus god did not give such command(rather it is contrary to his command) and the glory of such action is not to god.

what is false from what I have said so far? Pls point one.:

the issue is not to point to any falsehood, but to examine your statements and see if it's true or false.

@ bold so u are afraid that I might quote philippians 2:9
and I did. Let me add extra info. Matt 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying All power is given me in heaven and in earth

no I was not afraid , just wanted you to expain further by asking questions which you refused to answer the first time.

God

yes you are right, the person who gave that name is called god. hope you can now see that the person who gave that name is different from the person who was given the name. The person who gave that name is called God.

Yahweh

good. He is also called jehovah in English.

Yahweh

this is false , no where in the scriptures would you see Jesus beING called yahweh(jehovah) prior to being given the name Jesus.
The name, jehovah is being referenced to the father! is Jesus the father!no
the answer to that question is false.
moreover , before this event(the resurrection and exaltation of jesus), he had been bearing the name Jesus!
Lu 1:31And look! you will become pregnant and give birth to a son, and you are to name him Jesus.
Lu 1:32This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High....

don't u read your bible

if you cannot or will not answer it, pls let us know!
The question again is : when did this name given occur?

[ the name Jesus is the only name the father has endorsed. Jesus and his father are one John 10:30

sir, I believe the question is simple enough to understand and to answer, don't dribble away from it . pls tell us, is Jesus now above the person that gave him the name!?
We know that the the father endorsed only Jesus, so pls answer the question.
The scripture says Jesus and the father are one, yes that is agreed. just like the scriptures say the husband and the wife should become one, yet the husband is the head of the wife just as God is the head of Christ!

[I believe I have answered your question. Dolphinsheart

well, you might have answered dolphinsheart, but as you can see above, you did not answer all my the question.

didn't you read that the father has committed all Judgments to the son? Didn't you read John 10:28
And I give unto them eternal life: and they shall neither perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Do you see that Jesus has the power to give eternal life to whom he wished.

does John 10: 28 contradict these scriptures I've shown you? No
[b]Joh 17:3 This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
Joh 17:8 because I have given them the sayings that you gave me, and they have accepted them and have certainly come to know that I came as your representative, and they have believed that you sent me.
Joh 5:20For the Father has affection for the Son and shows him all the things he himself does, and he will show him works greater than these, so that you may marvel.
Joh 5:22 For the Father judges no one at all, but he has entrusted all the judging to the Son,
Ac 10:42Also, he ordered us to preach to the people and to give a thorough witness that this is the one decreed by God to be judge of the living and the dead.
Ac 17:30True, God has overlooked the times of such ignorance; but now he is declaring to all people everywhere that they should repent.
Ac 17:31Because he has set a day on which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and he has provided a guarantee to all men by resurrecting him from the dead.”
Joh 5:24Most truly I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes the One who sent me has everlasting life, and he does not come into judgment but has passed over from death to life.
Joh 5:26 For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has GRANTED also to the Son to have life in himself.
Joh 3:16“ For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.
Joh 6:40 FOR THIS IS THE WILL OF MY FATHER, that everyone who recognizes the Son and exercises faith in him should have everlasting life, and I will resurrect him on the last day.
** Joh 17:1, 2Jesus spoke these things, and raising his eyes to heaven, he said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your son so that your son may glorify you,2just as you have given him authority over all flesh, so that he may give everlasting life to all those whom you have given to him.[/b]

you have a very dubious way of changing your own words, you asked a question relating to Jesus being the only one with power to give eternal life! you said : "Do you believe only Jesus has the power to give eternal life?"
I know who you are and I know you would later adjust the issue and then use my answer on the previous question to accuse me, that why I had to answer you initially with these words:
"sir, your question comes from a twisted motive, but I will give you an answer straight from the scriptures, moreover, if you had read the scriptures I quoted to you, you might not have asked this question."
you have adjusted from " only jesus had the power" to "Jesus has the power"
before you misunderstand me, I'm not saying that their is another who has been given authority to save us o!

I used the word 'only' because the father can only give eternal life to those who are in Christ, God leads people to Christ so that They will be saved. So Jesus is the one that gives life. That's wat the father has ordained.the only thing God can do for you is to bring you to christ.

good you now know that the father can also give eternal life, but had entrusted this giving to the son, after granting the son to have life in himself.

yes very well. Jesus said that the father is the only true God. This is to distinguish him from other false gods in operation this does not apply to Christ because he is not another god but one with God.

Jesus was not talking about God's there so as to say he is distinguishing one God from the other. let's even say he is distinguishing, he said " you, the only true God". The "you" is in reference to the father, therfore Jesus called the father " the only true God".
Jesus is in essence saying that only the father is the true God!
is Jesus the same person as the father? no . Therefore this statement of Jesus also apples to Jesus , that Jesus is not the true God as he had identified another person as the true God, and he has emphasised with the word "only" that no other God is the true God!
The most interesting part is that immediately after mentioning who the true God is, he also talked about himself as being sent by that true God.
therfore as the fact is extablished that Jesus is not the one who sent himself, them Jesus is not the true God!

Does being one with God mean you are the same god? no. likewise the fact that his disciples being one with him and God does not mean they are the same God or they are God!
husband will be one with theirs wifes, it does not mean they are same person, same flesh or equals. The head of Christ is God, the scripture says, the father is greater than I am, Jesus said.
no wonder when the disciples, in telling us who the only God is, retaerated Jesus words when they said"there is actually to us one God, the Father,".

I believe you have technically agreed with me. If Jesus has all authority both in heaven and on earth it means Jesus is operating with the authority of the most high who is the father that means Jesus is occupying the highest place this totally agrees with the scripture. The father and the Son are operating in this authority together but in Christ Jesus. Do you understand?
hope you can give us answers to this questions!

you stylishly did not attend to the questions, well no problem. But look at your own words and see how you have just shot yourself in the foot. you have just told us that the father is the most high and the father is the one who gave Jesus authority!
The scriptures has told you the position of Jesus. I have asked you if Jesus position makes him higher than the one who gave him the position , but you refuse to answer!
Jesus operating with the authority of the most high does not mean Jesus is the most high, it can only mean Jesus is operating within the authority given to him by the most high.
does it also mean Jesus and the father are operating within the same authority? no sir!
The scripture is clear on that one.

u didn't answer me. Why does God do everything through Christ? Even exalting Christ name above all names if Christ himself is not God.

I've answered you, if you have read those two scriptures, you would have seen the answer, God is using Jesus to be all thing to everyone, do you remember jehovahs words to Satan in the garden of Eden?
Jesus is mot God, god did not exalt himself, almighty God does not have a higher positing to attain to in the first place. If you can attain to a position that is higher than your previous position, then you are not almighty God!

I av addressed this before

pls show us where you addressed the verse , or post such address.
1Co 15:28But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.

do you even know the meaning of right hand?

the understanding of right hand does not alter the fact that God used Jesus to save mankind! as shown by the verses.
someone being sitted on the right hand side of a king could mean among other things that such person now has a position of authority, higher than others, but not up to the kings authority. not dependent on ones individual power but dependent on the kings power.
Jesus sits at the his right hand through the mightiness of his strength!

Christianity is not organization. No christian church can tell you its the one true church if there is any then it is false.

the question is simple sir, are all Christian organization's on earth false! I did not ask you any question about Christianity!

your failure to quote John 6 : 29 showed you are a deceitful
Jesus clearly said what he meant by 'work' which means to believe in him.
Simple faith in Christ is what saves. Dolphinsheart the thief on the cross that got saved which work did he do?

sir, you could have well just say that because I do not quote all the verses of the bible when relating to a particular topic means I'm deceitful, or that since I did not quote all the verses relating to a particular topic, it means all the verse I quoted are false.
I asked you about those other verses , you keep dodging them.
did Jesus say that "work means believe"?no
Jesus and the disciples did not Just say believe in Jesus all the time they talk about everlasting life. As shown in the scriptures I posted, gaining everlasting life requires some work, an effort both of the mind and physical . that is why they said one should endure, persevere, work out your own salvation. Working requires effort, coming to know God requires effort, to keep loving jehovah requires effort
the scriptures says:
Ro 10:10For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declaration for salvation.
1Co 9:16Now if I am declaring the good news, it is no reason for me to boast, for necessity is laid upon me. Really, woe to me if I do not declare the good news!

you asked about the work the thief did, pls read his actions below:
Lu 23:40In response the other rebuked him, saying: “Do you not fear God at all, now that you have received the same judgment?
Lu 23:41And we rightly so, for we are getting back what we deserve for the things we did; but this man did nothing wrong.”
23:42Then he said: “Jesus, remember me when you get into your Kingdom.”
what do you think will be the outcome of the thief if he had not taken such actions, if he had kept mute or indifferent, concerned only about the pain he was going through.
Satan and the demons know Jesus, they believe what he said will happen will happen, but do they follow Jesus? no , will they be saved cus of that believe? no
he that endures to the end will be saved , the bible tells us that!

will conclude shortly.........

solite3:
U didn't read my post very well, you have gone ahead to understand what?

I Did read you post very well, you asked some questions which I answered using the scriptures as a guide. I've asked you some questions which as usual, you refused to answer. Some of those questions will be pointed out to you again!

who ask you to reinterpret it?? You see yourself,quoting a translation you claimed was corrupted. Have you ever seen me quote new word translation or are you too ashamed of quoting it? You yourself answered yourself by that verse.

1. you are famous for cutting parts of someone's post off when replying, trying to make it look as if the poSt is in incomplete. This bad trait in inherent in you, pls stop it!
below are the parts you deliberately removed when quoting me:
" I'll first like to talk about that part you scratched off in my post you quoted.
I said :" they have gone ahead to understand that someone gave that name, who gave that name and why it is giving ".
you decided to scratch that statement probably because you could not respond to it!
Jesus is an heir, someone who sits at the right hand of the most high(he sits there, not cus of his own volition, but because the most high commanded him to), yet you want me to believe that his name is the highest in heaven and on earth? higher above the person who exalted him? who gave him the name?
This you asked me to do without giving surporting evidence!, only one whose aim is to twist the scriptures does that!

2. I belive I have a right to quote a verse or verses from any translation that I feel translated that verse correctly, or is there a law that stipulates the translations one must use or is allowed to use?

how does these questions disprove the verse that say Jesus is glorified as the highest over all and his name has the same authority as the name "Jehovah" has in the old testament?

1. could you provide us with this the verse that says " Jesus is glorified as the highest over all the land and his name has the same authority as the name "jehovah" has in the old testament.
or is this statement(the underlined) based on your understanding of a particular verse and the verse did not actually say so!
EVERYONE PLS NOTE, SOME WILL SAY THE SCRIPTURES SAY SOME THING, BUT WILL NOT PROVIDE YOU WITH THE VERSE SUCH STATEMENT IS MADE. EVEN WHEN THEY PROVIDE YOU WITH A VERSE OR VERSES, PLS CHECK WELL AND YOU WILL REALISE THAT WHAT THEY SAID AND WHAT THE VERSE(S) ACTUALLY SAID ARE DIFFERENT. THEY ARE EXPERTS IN ADDING WORDS TO THE SCRIPTURES!

2. The questions are quite easy to answer, the answers will help others to know if what you are saying is true anD not some false teachings that can't stand examination.
Therefore here are the questions again :
In case you want to use Phil 2: 9 which says : " (King James Bible) Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
pls you will need to add extra info so that all will know that the spirit is guiding you. You need to tell us
1. who gave him(Jesus) that name
2. what is the name of the person that gave Jesus that name
3. what was the name of Jesus before being given that name
4. when did this name giving occur
5. looking at the statement "and given him a name which is above every name", pls tell us, is Jesus now above the person that gave him the name!?
PLS READERS, NOTICE IF HE WILL ONCE AGAIN FAIL TO RESPOND TO THIS ABOVE QUESTIONS

so funny and deceptive. U want to answer me from scripture u don't believe in.

you are funny sha! It is clear you don't even know what you are doing most of the time but just trying to impress yourself and your fellows

sir, I do believe the scriptures I quoted to you and I do know what I'm doing, herd are the scriptures again:
had quoted this verses to you(and I'm now underlining the important issues about evala sting life.
[b]Joh 17:3 This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
Joh 17:8 because I have given them the sayings that you gave me, and they have accepted them and have certainly come to know that I came as your representative, and they have believed that you sent me.
Joh 5:20For the Father has affection for the Son and shows him all the things he himself does, and he will show him works greater than these, so that you may marvel.
Joh 5:22 For the Father judges no one at all, but he has entrusted all the judging to the Son,
Ac 10:42Also, he ordered us to preach to the people and to give a thorough witness that this is the one decreed by God to be judge of the living and the dead.
Ac 17:30True, God has overlooked the times of such ignorance; but now he is declaring to all people everywhere that they should repent.
Ac 17:31Because he has set a day on which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and he has provided a guarantee to all men by resurrecting him from the dead.”
Joh 5:24Most truly I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes the One who sent me has everlasting life, and he does not come into judgment but has passed over from death to life.
Joh 5:26 For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has GRANTED also to the Son to have life in himself.
Joh 3:16“ For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.
Joh 6:40 FOR THIS IS THE WILL OF MY FATHER, that everyone who recognizes the Son and exercises faith in him should have everlasting life, and I will resurrect him on the last day.”
IF YOU COULD READ THIS SCRIPTURES ABOVE SOLITE3 AND YOU CANT DIDUCE WHO REALLY HAD THE POWER TO GIVE EVALASTING LIFE, THEN THEIR IS LITTLE MORE I CAN DO!

[ John 3:16 for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believes in me should not perish but have everlasting life.
If you deny christ , there will be nothing the father can do to help you!
The father directs people to the son because that's the only way they can be saved. The father is in the son and the son in the father.

you yourself could see that your explanation of John 3:16(out of all the verses quoted to you) does not say only Jesus has the power to give everlasting life.
yes it's true, Jesus is the way, no other way to God!.

look at what Jesus said
Matt 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying All power is given unto mein heaven and in earth[/b] so dolphinsheart who has all power in heaven and in earth? He that believeth not in the son does not have life.

hope you read the John 17: 3 that I pointed you to. hope you read what Jesus said there.

let's look at matt 28:18
New International Version
Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME.
English Standard Version
And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
Berean Study Bible
Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
New American Standard Bible
And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
Then Jesus came near and said to them, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
International Standard Version
Then Jesus approached them and told them, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
American Standard Version
And Jesus came to them and spake unto them, saying, All authority....
English Revised Version
And Jesus came to them and spake unto them, saying, All authority hath been given unto me in heaven and on earth.

those translations quoted Jesus as saying all authority has been given to him, the question one should now ask is,
1.WHO GAVE JESUS THIS AUTHORITY?
2. DOES THIS AUTHORITY MAKE HIM SUPERIOR TO THE ONE WHO GAVE HIM THE AUTHORITY?
3. AS THE VERSE SAYS " ALL AUTHORITY", DOES IT MEAN THAT THE ONE WHO GAVE JESUS ALL AUTHORITY NO LONGER HAS ANY?
hope you can give us answers to this questions!

For those who want answers, this verses will help notice the underlined)
[b]Eph 1:17-22
that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him.
18. He has enlightened the eyes of your heart, so that you may know to what hope he called you, what glorious riches he holds as an inheritance for the holy ones,
19 and how surpassing the greatness of his power is toward us believers. It is according to the operation of the mightiness of his strength,
20. which he exercised toward Christ when he raised him up from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places,
21far above every government and authority and power and lordship and every name that is named, not only in this system of things but also in that to come.
22 He also subjected all things under his feet and made him head over all things with regard to the congregation

Php 2:9For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and KINDLY GAVE HIM the name that is above every other name,

Ac 7:55But he, being full of holy spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus STANDING AT God’s right hand,[/b]

you are totally wrong! Knowing God means everlasting life yes but you cannot know God until you know Christ himself that's y he said knowing God and Jesus. Its like a network have you ask yourself why is everything through christ ? Because Christ himself he is the word, he is the one true reflection of God and he himself is God.
God's commandment is for all to know his son because that's the only way we can know him.
Only Jesus can save because the father has given him that authority. If for example you meet the father to save you he will direct you to the son because God's ability to save you lies in the son.

1. you say I'm totally wrong , but you refuse to see the scriptures I mentioned , talk less of quoting and and explaining it. Does the scriptures say something different from what I said?
It is only through jesus christ that man has been given the chance by god to gain evala sting life!-
[b] Joh 3:16“ ]For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.

Joh 6:40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who recognizes the Son and exercises faith in him should have everlasting life, and I will resurrect him on the last day.”

**1Jo 4:9, 10By this the love of God was revealed in our case, that God sent his only-begotten Son into the world so that we might gain life through him.
10The love is in this respect, not that we have loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins.

Ro 6:23For the wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord.

Joh 12:49For I have not spoken of my own initiative, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak.
john 12:50And I know that his commandment means everlasting life.[/b] So whatever I speak, [u]I speak just as the Father has told me.”
pls solite3, tell how what I said(in green above) is different from the scriptures I quoted to support it!

2. pls tell, did those who where declareD righteous before Jesus came to earth know Jesus?, does that stop them from getting everlasting life?

3. why is everything through christ?
Ac 17:31[u]Because he has set a day on which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed,[/u] and he has provided a guarantee to all men by resurrecting him from the dead.”

1Co 15:28But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.

the scripture is so clear but you keep on twisting it. Jesus is the one and only saviour of mankind and your rants can't change that. That person who gave Jesus the name has given him all authority why these rants?

Ac 5:31 God exalted this one as Chief Agent and Savior to his right hand, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.
Ac 13:23According to his promise, from the offspring of this man, God has brought to Israel a savior, Jesus.
1Ti 4:10This is why we are working hard and exerting ourselves, because we have rested our hope on a living God, who is a Savior of all sorts of men, especially of faithful ones.
jude 25 to the only God our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, might, and authority for all past eternity and now and into all eternity. Amen.
We know Jesus is our savior , but we also know the one who sent him to come and save us!

your organization guide one to where? D blind leading the blind, Jesus does not know anything called organization

so all Christian organizations on earth is false abi?

@ bold wow you are lost! @ red he that believe in Christ has eternal life already
you skipped John 6:29 And I quote
Jesus answered and said unto them, this is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

not mentioning John 6:29 does not mean the other verses I quoted are wrong. not quoting it does not invalidate the other verses I quoted!

Joh 6:27 Work, not for the food that perishes, but for the food that remains for everlasting life, which the Son of man will give you; for on this one the Father, God himself, has put his seal of approval.”
Joh 17:3 This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ
luke 10:27,28 In answer he said: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole strength and with your whole mind’ and ‘your neighbor as yourself.’”28He said to him: “You answered correctly; keep DOING this and you will get life.”
does this scriptures above not show you that you have to do more than just believing in christ to be saved!

**Mt 24:13But the one who has endured to the end will be saved
Lu 21:19By your endurance you will preserve your lives.
Heb 10:36For you need endurance, so that after you have done the will of God, you may receive the fulfillment of the promise.

you believe Jesus was a man,but no longer is! Is a clear contradiction of what scriptures says. matt 24:39 Jesus said he is not a spirit.

you should have quoted that verse to show us it said Jesus is not a spirit!
[b]1Pe 3:18For Christ died once for all time for sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit.
1Co 15:50But I tell you this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom, nor does corruption inherit incorruption
1Co 15:45So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living person.” The last Adam became a life-giving SPIRIT.

@bold compare with Romans 8:8,10
Does it mean Christians are spirits? Flesh and blood it said but Jesus resurrected with flesh and bones. If Jesus is not a man then he cannot be a priest for men heb 5:1-6

Christians are not spirits while they are flesh, read up what the scriptures said happens at resurrection.
pls quote those scriptures so that everyone can examine it with what you say.

you do not at all. If you understood and really believed what you wrote you would not be arguing with me
when you don't know what you are saying

do I believe in christ ? Yes !
lemme add some of my belief's about christ
1. I believe he was sent by god
2. I believe we can gain everlasting life through him
3. I believe he was anointed by god
4. I believe he is sitting at the right hand of the almighty God
5. I belive he the one sent to be our saviour
6. I believe he is the son of God
7. I believe he is subjected to god and does the will of his father
8. I believe him when he said the father is our his god
9. I believe him when he said the father is our God
solite3, do you agree with those beliefs?
If I say I believe those things I said, you are not in a position to say I do not. And if you still insist, pls let's handle the nine things I mentioned one by one. let's start with number 1 anD tell why you feel I don't believe that!

ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Maybe that is why you mention scriptures , but you can't eXplain then, cus doing so will expose your false doctrines.

SOME SCRIPTURES FROM MY LAST POST WHICH YOU COULD NOT RESPOND TO
first jehovah said:
[b]De 18:15Jehovah your God will raise up for you from among your brothers a prophet like me. You must listen to him.
Ac 3:22, 23In fact, Moses said: ‘Jehovah your God will raise up for you from among your brothers a prophet like me. You must listen to whatever he tells you. 23Indeed, anyone who does not listen to that Prophet will be completely destroyed from among the people.’

Mt 17:5While he was still speaking, look! a bright cloud overshadowed them, and look! a voice out of the cloud said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved. Listen to him.”
Isa 42:1 Look! My servant, whom I support! My chosen one, whom I have approved! I have put my spirit in him; He will bring justice to the nations.

2Pe 1:17, 18 For HE RECIEVED from God the Father honor and glory when words such as these were conveyed to him by the magnificent glory: “This is my Son, my beloved, whom I myself have approved.”[/b]

WHAT DID Jesus AND THE DISCIPLES SAY ABOUT OUR GOD ?
Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”

WHAT DID HIS DISCIPLES SAY ABOUT OUR GOD?
[b]1Co 11:3But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God.
Eph 1:17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him.
Col 1:3 [color=blue]We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,[/blue] when we pray for you.

johnw74:
Lie lie dolphinheart and false jw captivator,
here is another short article clearly showing that Jesus is God

You false jw's won't believe it, but I like to show how you are nearly always wrong, and for truth seekers and Christians to see it.



Question: "Is Jesus God? Did Jesus ever claim to be God?"

Answer: The Bible never records Jesus saying the precise words, “I am God.” That does not mean, however, that He did not proclaim that He is God. Take for example Jesus’ words in John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.” We need only to look at the Jews’ reaction to His statement to know He was claiming to be God. They tried to stone Him for this very reason: “You, a mere man, claim to be God” (John 10:33). The Jews understood exactly what Jesus was claiming—deity. When Jesus declared, “I and the Father are one,” He was saying that He and the Father are of one nature and essence. John 8:58 is another example. Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth … before Abraham was born, I am!” Jews who heard this statement responded by taking up stones to kill Him for blasphemy, as the Mosaic Law commanded (Leviticus 24:16).


read more

did Jesus claim to be god ? no
when he asked his disciples who he is, what did the disciples say? you are son of the living god! they said.

do the Jews believe in Jesus ? no
so it it right to view reaction of the Jews who don't believe in Jesus as the basis for believing that Jesus said he is god? no
did Jesus he and the father are of one nature and essence? no
did Jesus say his disciples will become one with him? Yes
does this mean they will become Jesus? no
did they want to stone Jesus cus he said he was god? no
did they want to stone Jesus cus he indicated he was older and existed before Abraham? Yes
did the Jews think Jesus is less than 50 years old and thus he did not exist before Abraham? Yes

THIS THRUTHS AS STATED ABOVE CANNOT BE REFUTED!

johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart

you are concerned about everyone's view of you

you do not want everyone to see you as the liar that you are
because you are a deceiver, a wolf in sheeps clothing

but it's to late lie lie, your disguise was exposed long ago
your lies are so obvious, but take heart your fellow false jw captivator supports you in your lies


when satan speaks a lie he is speaking naturally
so to his followers-children-disciples

JOHNW74, IF YOU AT ANYTIME CUT PART OF MY POSTS OFF AGAIN WHEN QUOTING ME SO AS TO PROPA GATE YOUR WARPED WAY OF RESPONDING , I WILL FORCED TO RESPOND IN A CORRECTIONAL MANNER!

pls pls pls, don't cut parts of my post off! don't modify my words and dnt give my words your own warped explanations while removing , omitting , cutting off mine. pls pls pls, for the last time I beg you! stop using those bad traits!

johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart

The same repeated lies time and time again, repeating again which was already replied to,
and you say I'm desperately trying to do this and that, ha ha just listen to yourself oh desperate one.

you lie lie dolphinheart claimed again that you did not say "a two headed god"

did I say "a two headed god"? no! such words can only be supported if my words are being modified and my sentence being adjusted by cutting off or adding words to my sentence.
prove is shown below again(though he now adds more of my words , he refuses to post the full text, preferring to keep cutting my views that lead to my words off)

here is your sentence in full once more:
"it has been established that God and Jesus are two different persons, there if you make Jesus to be that same God, then your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."

you false jw said I added and removed and misquoted your sentence, when it is truly a copy and paste of your sentence as you know

does my sentence just say "a two headed god"? no , it says more than that, (as shown in your post above)pls stop removing from my sentences when you mention them okay.

lie lie dolphinheart is exactly like the father of lies
Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

It is clear you lie lie was referring to God and the Word as "a two headed god" and when I asked you who you were referring to if not God and the Word as "a two headed god" you would not answer

You said yet once again that you were not referring to God and Jesus
here it is yet once again what you said again lie lie
dolphinheart:
"it has been established that God and Jesus are two different persons, there if you make Jesus to be that same God, then your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."

But you were lie lying again, speaking naturally

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

you lie lie called that scripture false.


you a very big lie lie and deceiver false jw dolphinheart
even calling God's inspired scripture false

Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Deu 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

dolphinheart:
"it has been established that God and Jesus are two different persons, there if you make Jesus to be that same God, then your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."

you lie lie dolphinheart claimed more than once that you never said "a two headed god"

you lie lie dolphinheart claimed more than once that you was not referring to Jesus and God.

such a huge huge lie lie dolphinheart

it's a shame you could not post the full text of my post, you keep cutting parts of that post off so you could explain my words for me, while refusing to leave my own post in full and the way they are so the world can see you the way you really are!
If you are so confident of your accusation , why can't you just post the full text of that post you have been modifying for months now!

It's a bigger shame that up till now, you could not show us your response to my explanations on the scriptures you quoted

johnw74:
you say you never said "a two headed god"
Here is your full sentence, quoted exactly, copied and pasted from your post with nothing taken out and nothing added

Dolphinheart:


what a lie lie you are.

this is further evidence from Johnw74 that I did not say "a two headed god", from the evidence he provided, it is now clear that my sentence contain more than the words "a two headed god".
dubious people tend to adulterate words and sentences, either by adding to it, removing from it or misquoting it. johnw74 has done these to my words, he keeps citing evidence that show's my sentence contains far more words than the words he is accusing me of.
again I say I did not say "a two headed god", my sentence contains words that are more than that, as shown by his evidence.
remember I have said several times, that accusing me that I said "a two headed god" can only be supported by cutting off parts of my words or sentences and they can only explain my words by cutting off large parts of the full text of my post!
If you want to accuse me of something, don't cut part of my words off, don't give my words a different understanding from mine!, LEAVE MY SENTENCES THE WAY THEY ARE!

And if he could just find it in himself to quote the full text of my post that he keeps cutting off, everyone will have a better understanding of what I said. If you don't like understand my words, PLEASE DNT GIVE IT YOUR OWN UNDERSTAND, AND DNT REFUSE TO QUOTE MINE!

pls for everyone:
this is the parts of the post he responded to but deliberately cut off:
I've proven beyond reasonable doubt that I did not say "a two headed god" , the word "a two headed god" can only come about if my sentences are modified, if words where deliberately removed so that it would mean something else other than its intended meaning. notice again, for months now, he could not provide the full text ofrom that post , yet he could go to that post every time to cut parts of it off and post the modified version here!
he is desperate to find fault, but he can only do so by adulteration my words and adding false understanding to my words
Did I call god and the word a two headed god ? no , this fact he has known since May !
he has not been able to produce where I said "god and the word is a two headed god

aah, but I did, in my last post to you just for one, I will quote it again at the end of this.

okay, we shall see if you could produce where I made the sentence "god and the word is a two headed god"

because I'm noy interisted in your false doctrine about Jesus being "a god" "an angel"
I have told you and captivator that many times, but false jw loves to lie.

YOU NOT INTERESTED BECAUSE YOU REFUTE THE WORDS THEIR.

YOU CANNOT QUOTE THE FULL TEXT BUT PREFERS MAKING EFFORT EVERY TIME TO REMOVE THEM BECAUSE THEY GO A LONG WAY IN SHOWING YOUR DOCTRINES AS FALSE.

YOU CANNOT PROVIDE THE FULL TEXT CUS THEY GO A LONG WAY IN EXPLAINING MY WORDS WHICH YOU HAVE DESPERATELY TRIED TO RECONSTRUCT AND GIVE FALSE EXPLANATIONS.

Yes you was lie lie, you said: "if you make Jesus to be that same God, then your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."

was I talking about God and Jesus when I showed you about your god ? no
did I show you how your god does not correlate with god and Jesus ? Yes
could you refute my explanation and scriptures shown to you when I showed you the truth about God and Jesus?no
therefore, you making Jesus to be that same god is false, and when evidence was provided to you, you could not quote and explain the scriptures provided!

No end to your lies and deceiving, if you cannot see the diffrence there between your words in "these" and my words, you just show again how you have been blinded.

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

pls everyone this is are my words he deliberately cut off:
you keep trying to drag my words into yours, must my views comform to the opening post? no!, did I refute the opening post? Yes
why can't you post the full text of my posts, ? WHYYYYYYY!
was I talking about God and Jesus when I told you about your god ? no ,remember the part you are desperately trying to omit which talked about equality .
You just said we should look at my own exact words , but the bolded above are not from me, they are words added at the beginning and middle of my words to try and give my own words a different direction and meaning. This you do while refusing to post the full text of what I posted! The tactic will not work johnw74, you accusation could not stand unless you try to give my words a different explanation from the one given by me!

everyone can go see his post in which I pointed the bad trait out for him
did he try to drag my words into his in other to try to give my own words a different meaning? Yes
he tried to do this on this thread at 1:08am on these thread when he said in the bracket below:
(then you say "there if you make Jesus to be that same God", meaning if Jesus and God is God as per John 1:1)
can you see how he had cut off my sentence then joined it with his words!, anyone reading this sentence without knowledge of what he had done and my full text which he has cut most of the words off, will probably think that is what I was saying.

Are the bolded words in his post I responded to mine? noooooo!
he was desperate to explain my words he is quoting, by adding his words in the middle, this is an attempt to give a different direction and meaning to what I said. He is desperately trying to do this, yet he would not give out the full text of the post he is cutting from!, he will not leave the words the way they are!

No lie lie I haven't done any of that to your quote, you are talking about yourself again,
and you have been blinded and cannot see where your quote ends and my words begin.

I posted your quote of what you said, showing it's clear that you were referring to God and the Word as "a two headed god". I even asked you to tell who you was referring to as "a two headed god" if you were not referring to God and the Word, and even to that simple question you cannot answer who you were referring to, because we all know, don't we lie lie.

dolphinheart you big lie lie

did I say god and the word is a two headed god? no
did I refer to god and the word as two headed god ? no
has johnw74 been able to show that I said or made a sentence" god and the word is a two headed god "? no !

when you eventually quoted part of my post (while still refusing to post the full text,) you have shown that my word's are different from the words you accuse me of saying , you have shown everyone that you could only accuse me if you try to omit, remove, add to my words , or use my words in your own sentences to give it a different meaning.

you asked me to tell you what I meant with those words, I'll be glad to, I will tell you this once you retract your false accusation, this is what you should have done first before accusing me falsely and before altering, omitING and adding to my words.
If you retract your false accusation, I'll tell you what I've been trying to tell you since.

johnw74:
More lies of course and wishful thinking from lie lie dolphinheart.

well , I hope everyone can now see that the accusations layed against me is false, and rantings will not make it true!
as long as he could not post the full text of that post for all to see and come to their own conclusion, his words would be viewed as another desperate attempt to find fault in anyway possible.