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I'll first like to talk about that part you scratched off in my post you quoted.
I said :" they have gone ahead to understand that someone gave that name, who gave that name and why it is giving".
you decided to scratch that statement probably because you could not respond to it!
I will come back to the scriptures you cannot comment on after looking into your post.


now let's look at what you said:

solite3:
really do you believe that the name of Jesus is the highest name both in heaven and on earth

Jesus is an heir, someone who sits at the right hand of the most high(he sits there, not cus of his own volition, but because the most high commanded him to), yet you want me to believe that his name is the highest in heaven and on earth? higher above the person who exalted him? who gave him the name?
This you asked me to do without giving surporting evidence!, only one whose aim is to twist the scriptures does that!

In case you want to use Phil 2: 9 which says : " (King James Bible) Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
pls you will need to add extra info so that all will know that the spirit is guiding you. You need to tell us
1. who gave him(jesus) that name
2. what is the name of the person that gave jesus that name
3. what was the name of jesus before being given that name
4. when did this name giving occur
5. looking at the statement "and given him a name which is above every name", pls tell us, is jesus now above the person that gave him the name!?

PLS READERS, NOTICE IF HE WILL ONCE AGAIN FAIL TO RESPOND TO THIS ABOVE QUESTIONS.

Do you believe only Jesus has the power to give eternal life?

sir, your question comes from a twisted motive, but I will give you an answer straight from the scriptures, moreover, if you had read the scriptures I quoted to you, you might not have asked this question.

I had quoted this verses to you(and I'm now underlining the important issues about evala sting life.
[b]Joh 17:3 This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
Joh 17:8 because I have given them the sayings that you gave me, and they have accepted them and have certainly come to know that I came as your representative, and they have believed that you sent me.
Joh 5:20For the Father has affection for the Son and shows him all the things he himself does, and he will show him works greater than these, so that you may marvel.
Joh 5:22 For the Father judges no one at all, but he has entrusted all the judging to the Son,
Ac 10:42Also, he ordered us to preach to the people and to give a thorough witness that this is the one decreed by God to be judge of the living and the dead.
Ac 17:30True, God has overlooked the times of such ignorance; but now he is declaring to all people everywhere that they should repent.
Ac 17:31Because he has set a day on which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and he has provided a guarantee to all men by resurrecting him from the dead.”
Joh 5:24Most truly I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes the One who sent me has everlasting life, and he does not come into judgment but has passed over from death to life.
Joh 5:26 For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has GRANTED also to the Son to have life in himself.
Joh 3:16“ For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.
Joh 6:40 FOR THIS IS THE WILL OF MY FATHER, that everyone who recognizes the Son and exercises faith in him should have everlasting life, and I will resurrect him on the last day.”
IF YOU COULD READ THIS SCRIPTURES ABOVE SOLITE3 AND YOU CANT DIDUCE WHO REALLY HAD THE POWER TO GIVE EVALASTING LIFE, THEN THEIR IS LITTLE MORE I CAN DO!

For a simple answer to your question, jesus is not the only person that has power to give eternal life, so I do not believe that only jesus can give eternal life.
jesus himself was resurrected by someone else, that one has the power to give eternal life
I do believe that man can only gain everlasting life through jesus and his father(the only true god)- John 17:3 .
It is only through jesus christ that man has been given the chance by god to gain evala sting life!- John 3:16, John 6:40
Ro 6:23For the wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord.
Joh 12:49For I have not spoken of my own initiative, but the Father who sent me has himself [u]given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak.
john 12:50And I know that his commandment means everlasting life. So whatever I speak, [u]I speak just as the Father has told me.”
If I'm wrong, pls let's here your views!

@ cancelled that is your problem you go beyond the scriptures and then bring in daminable heresies to fill your lust

I do not go beyond the scriptures , the scriptures is very clear about who gave jesus to mankind and why he gave jesus to mankind, it is also clear about who gave the person jesus his names!

Do you believe in God's own witness that eternal life is in Christ and not in your organization?

my organization can't give anyone eternal life, but it can guide you to the one god has ordained to give us evalasting life. so I do believe gods own witness that everlasting life is in christ, we cannot gain evalasting life without him!

Christians who simply believe in christ, don't you believe they have eternal life through him?

does simply believing in christ make one have eternal life? no , so I don't believe they have eternal life through him cus they simply believe in christ.
[b]Joh 6:27 Work, not for the food that perishes, but for the food that remains for everlasting life, which the Son of man will give you; for on this one the Father, God himself, has put his seal of approval.”
Joh 17:3 This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ
luke 10:27,28 In answer he said: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole strength and with your whole mind’ and ‘your neighbor as yourself.’”28He said to him: “You answered correctly; keep DOING this and you will get life.”
solite3, faith without works is dead!

U quoted 1 Tim 2:5,6 do you believe Jesus is a man and God and not an angel?

I believe jesus was a man, I do not believe jesus is a man and god!.
1Pe 3:18For Christ died once for all time for sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit.
1Co 15:50But I tell you this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom, nor does corruption inherit incorruption

No sir! Jehovah witnesses do not know the source of life and this is not a false claim

they believe the following scriptures :
Joh 17:3 This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
Joh 3:16“For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.
Joh 6:27Work, not for the food that perishes, but for the food that remains for everlasting life, which the Son of man will give you; for on this one the Father, God himself, has put his seal of approval.”[/b]
now solite3, do you believe the scriptures above?

The big question to Jehovah witness is,
DO YOU BELIEVE IN CHRIST?
Look at what Jesus said
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long with you, and yet hast thou not know me, Philip? he that has seen me hath seen the Father: and how sayest thou then, she's us the father
U cannot know who the father is, when you consistently deny who the son really is.

In vs 10 Jesus made it bold that he is in the father and the father is in him
In john10:30 he made it clear that he and the father are one.
But just like Philip u want to know the father outside Christ not knowing that the father himself is in Christ and Christ in him.

do I believe in christ ? Yes !
lemme add some of my belief's about christ
1. I believe he was sent by god
2. I believe we can gain everlasting life through him
3. I believe he was anointed by god
4. I believe he is sitting at the right hand of the almighty God
5. I belive he the one sent to be our saviour
6. I believe he is the son of God
7. I believe he is subjected to god and does the will of his father
8. I believe him when he said the father is our his god
9. I believe him when he said the father is our God
do you agree with my beliefs!

have I denied who the son really is?no
is the son the same person as the father? noooooo!

you mention scriptures , but you can't eXplain then, cus doing so will expose your false doctrines.

SOME SCRIPTURES FROM MY LAST POST WHICH YOU COULD NOT RESPOND TO
first jehovah said:
[b]De 18:15Jehovah your God will raise up for you from among your brothers a prophet like me. You must listen to him.
Ac 3:22, 23In fact, Moses said: ‘Jehovah your God will raise up for you from among your brothers a prophet like me. You must listen to whatever he tells you. 23Indeed, anyone who does not listen to that Prophet will be completely destroyed from among the people.’

Mt 17:5While he was still speaking, look! a bright cloud overshadowed them, and look! a voice out of the cloud said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved. Listen to him.”
Isa 42:1 Look! My servant, whom I support! My chosen one, whom I have approved! I have put my spirit in him; He will bring justice to the nations.

2Pe 1:17, 18 For HE RECIEVED from God the Father honor and glory when words such as these were conveyed to him by the magnificent glory: “This is my Son, my beloved, whom I myself have approved.”[/b]

WHAT DID Jesus AND THE DISCIPLES SAY ABOUT OUR GOD ?
Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”

WHAT DID HIS DISCIPLES SAY ABOUT OUR GOD?
[b]1Co 11:3But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God.
Eph 1:17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him.
Col 1:3 [color=blue]We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,[/blue] when we pray for you,

johnw74:
To all of false jw dolphinhearts above confusion and continued and repeated twisting of words which is lies,
and to the lengthy posts designed to get away from the simple matter at hand, and that is that false jw dolphinheart called God and the Word "a two headed god".

I've proven beyond reasonable doubt that I did not say "a two headed god" , the word "a two headed god" can only come about if my sentences are modified, if words where deliberately removed so that it would mean something else other than its intended meaning. notice again, for months now, he could not provide the full text ofrom that post , yet he could go to that post every time to cut parts of it off and post the modified version here!
he is desperate to find fault, but he can only do so by adulteration my words and adding false understanding to my words
Did I call god and the word a two headed god ? no , this fact he has known since May !
he has not been able to produce where I said "god and the word is a two headed god"

lie lie is playing on words, which is lying, he uses every means of lying known,
he said he didn't say God and the Word is a two headed god, while using words that mean the same thing,
it's just another way of lying,
so lets use his exact words.

The opening post was about John 1:1, and God and the Word, and the Word being God

You lie lie dolphinheart said:
"it has been established that God and Jesus are two different persons, there if you make Jesus to be that same God, then your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."

You are talking off "God and Jesus",

and you said: "if you make Jesus to be that same God"

as John 1:1 makes Jesus to be that same God, and as the opening post is about

"then your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."

you keep trying to drag my words into yours, must my views comform to the opening post? no!, did I refute the opening post? Yes
why can't you post the full text of my posts, ? WHYYYYYYY!

was I talking about God and jesus when I told you about your god ? no ,remember the part you are desperately trying to omit which talked about equality .
You just said we should look at my own exact words , but the bolded above are not from me, they are words added at the beginning and middle of my words to try and give my own words a different direction and meaning. This you do while refusing to post the full text of what I posted! The tactic will not work johnw74, you accusation could not stand unless you try to give my words a different explanation from the one given by me!

Of course it's very clear to all except those entrenched in lies, that you were referring to God and the Word as "a two headed god", but twist your words some more lie lie, and tell me who you are calling "a two headed god" if not the Word being that same God, if not Jesus being that same God.

I will tell you this once you retract your false accusation, this is what you should have done first before accusing me falsely and before altering, omitING and adding to my words.

Who was you referring to as "a two headed god" if not God and the Word?

Truth doesn't require a long and evasive post,
just a honest answer, like:

I was referring to "God and the Word" being a two headed God
or
I was referring to "Tom and Jerry" being a two headed god.

even a near blind person can see what I wrote, maybe that why you still refused to post the full text!

johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart

I'm not interisted in your false doctrines, in your word who is "a god"

in your two god's, who one is an almighty god, and the other is a mighty god
kindergarten children know those names Almighty God and Mighty God refer to the one true God.

no wonder you call God and the Word "a two headed god" satan, through your elders is your teacher.

well , I hope everyone can now see that the accusations layed against me is false, and rantings will not make it true!
as long as he could not post the full text of that post for all to see and come to their own conclusion, his words would be viewed as another desperate attempt to find fault in anyway possible.

johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart

All you can do is repeat the same lies over and over again, because those lies are all you have, that's your nature as per John 8:44

But this time you have said you were not referring to God and the word in your quote:

1. you could not give example of one of those lies
2. you could not give example of one of those lies without modifying my words
3. you could not give example of one of those lies without trying to explain my own words and cutting off my own explanations( explanations you could not respond to)

everyone pls read what he said I said again :
" your god is two persons in one god!, a two headed god!"

can you see it is different from what I'm being accused of !
Once again I've shown with proof and it is established that I never said "God is a two headed god"
or "God is a two headed god's".

The above words can only be supported if :
1. parts of My sentence is cut off/ removed
2. The whole text which contains some explanation is cut off or removed.

So at least you are now admitting again that you said the quote that I have been posting for days,
but you now lie again of course, and say you were not referring to God and the Word.

At no time have I ever denied my own words, as long as it's not modified.
EVERY ONE , PLS LET US LOOK AT HIS OWN WORDS AND ACCUSATIONS( notice that Im providing proof by listing the time, page, thread and date, anyone can go there to Check it!)

on June 29, 2:49 am , page 101 of these thread, Johnw74 accused me of saying:
Of course the same Lie Lies all over again from phony dolphinheart, at least now he is admitting that he said:
god is two persons in one!, a two headed god!.

On that same post he also said this :
where blaspheming dolphinheart said:
god is two persons in one!, a two headed god!.

for you to know how far back this false accusation had been, pls look at his post on may 26 , 1:37 am , page 64 of these thread.
In that post he said :
"dolphinheart said that God and the word" is a two headed god"

PLEASE EVERYONE , CAN YOU SEE THAT HIS ACCUSATIONS OR WHAT HE IS CLAIMING I SAID IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT I ACTUALLY SAID!

since that time, I've been asking Johnw74 to
1. direct us to the post where my statements where made and
2. post the full text of that post for all to see.

Apart from the fact that he could not accede to this request cus of its implications, he had known months ago about what I really meant(cus he must have read the full text of that post), and from his own words months earlier :

(statement made 11:34 pm, may 26 on these thread by johnw74)
and now dolphinheart says he didn't call God and the Word "a two headed god"

so in summary, Johnw74 has not been able to show the post or my words where I said the words he is accusing me of, he has tried to :
1. modify his accusations
2. cut parts of my own words off to suit his aim
3. add words to my own sentence to suit his aim
4. refused to post the text that contains my explanation
5. trying desperately to give his own false explanations to my own words while deleting my own words so that everyone cannot examine them.
6. and most importantly, he has up till now refused to direct us to the post where he responded to my explanation of the scriptures he mentioned!

You do know that Jesus is the Word, right?

yes I know, do you know why he is called the word?

Here is your full sentence that you asked for:


You say "it has been established that God and Jesus are two different persons" duh that has always been the case that God (Father) and Jesus (Son-the Word) is two persons, but not two diffrent gods though as false jw believe, a Almight God and a mighty God, just one God,

then you say "there if you make Jesus to be that same God", meaning if Jesus and God is God as per John 1:1

" your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."

You called God and the Word a two headed god, and all your twisting of what you said and what you meant is just more lie lie lies, your sentence is clear but truth is far from you.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Two persons there, one God, any scripture that says it diffrent is a corrupted-changed text.

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sir , being dubious wunt help you, my request is simple , I Did not ask you to post full sentences, neither did I ask you to post some sentences, I asked you to post the full text of that post for all to see, so far all you are doing is posting snippets of that post , and refusing to post the full text.
do I agree with you as you are trying to claim again that Jesus is same god as the father? no!
did I give reasons supported with proof why I do not agree with you? Yes
could you counter the scriptures quoted and explanation's giving with reasonable explanations? no
even in that thread, a lot of people asked you why you could not respond to questions asked about your beliefs.

SO JOHNW74, WHY ARE YOU STILL DESPERATE TO READ A DIFFERENT MEANING TO MY WORDS WHEN MY POST (WHICH YOU STILL REFUSE TO POST ITS FULL CONTENT)CONTAINS THE MEANING OF WHAT I SAID.
The answer is quite simple to deduce, your accusations can only seem to find support if you can find an alternate meaning to my words while refusing to post my own explanations.

brocab, dId you notice what he said about Jesus and the father? not being same person?

In response to John 1:1 , pls read my post on that same thread below:

[b]"to those who read this thread.
I've said time and time again that those who believe that Jesus is almighty God will never explain the relationship between Jesus and the father to you. They know Jesus is not the same person as the father yet they endeavor to merge the two of them together.
jehovah had said he alone is the Almighty God and no one else except him.
Jesus has said that only the father is the only true God, but some will prefer to force Jesus to assume that position too.
Jesus has shown us that the father is his God and our God , but some will want to another person as our God.
Jesus has always shown subjection to the father, but some no gree, they want Jesus to take up equality with the father.
Jesus has been exalted to sit beside our God who is the most high, but some will want Jesus to sit where the most high God is sitting.
God gave Jesus the Revelation, but some will prefer that the revelation came from Jesus, cus they call him almighty God.
pls notice, you would or will ask these people about their beliefs, but they will not be able to explain to you, they will not be able to explain how the word can be with God and still be that same God, how the word can be God and still have a beginning. more importantly, they will not be able to answer or explain or use any of the numerous scriptures I've quoted so far on these thread.
They want you to believe without details, but I encourage you to ask questions, the answers will help in your quest for knowledge and search for the truth.
ask them:
does Jesus have a god?
is he the same person as this God?
is he equal to his God?
or is he subjected to his God?
who gave Jesus authority, did he give himself or was given?
did Jesus ever claim to be almighty God?
who anointed Jesus?
who is that person to Jesus?
when Jesus was is the presence of God, was he the same person as the God he was in presence of?
who sent Jesus, was the person who sent Jesus superior to Jesus?
the answers to these questions and more supported by scripture verses, will help those who want to know the truth, know it.

John 1:1
14th century - Wycliffe's Bible (from the 4th-century Latin Vulgate ) reads: "In the beginning was the word, and the word was at God, and God was the word.
1808 “and the Word was a god” - Thomas Belsham The New Testament, in An Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome ’s New Translation: With a Corrected Text , London.
1822 "and the Word was a god." - The New Testament in Greek and English (A. Kneeland, 1822.);
1829 "and the Word was a god." - The Monotessaron; or, The Gospel History According to the Four Evangelists (J. S. Thompson, 1829);
1863 "and the Word was a god." - A Literal Translation Of The New Testament (Herman Heinfetter [Pseudonym of Frederick Parker], 1863);
1864 “the LOGOS was God, This was in the Beginning with God” A New Emphatic Version (right hand column)
1864 “and a god was the Word” (left hand column interlinear reading) The Emphatic Diaglott by Benjamin Wilson , New York and London.
1867 “In the beginning was the gospel preached through the Son. And the gospel was the word, and the word was with the Son, and the Son was with God, and the Son was of God” - The Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible .
1879 "and the Word was a god." - Das Evangelium nach Johannes (J. Becker, 1979);
1885 "and the Word was a god." - Concise Commentary On The Holy Bible ( R. Young , 1885);
1911 "and the Word was a god." - The Coptic Version of the N.T. (G. W. Horner, 1911);
1935 “and the Word was divine” - The Bible — An American Translation, by John M. P. Smith and Edgar J. Goodspeed, Chicago.
1955 “so the Word was divine” - The Authentic New Testament, by Hugh J. Schonfield , Aberdeen.
1956 The Wuest Expanded Translation reads: “In the beginning the Word was existing. And the Word was in fellowship with God the Father. And the Word was as to His essence absolute deity”
1958 "and the Word was a god." - The New Testament of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Anointed" (J. L. Tomanec, 1958);
1962, 1979 "'the word was God.' Or, more literally, 'God was the word.'" The Four Gospels and the Revelation (R. Lattimore, 1979)
1966, 2001 The Good News Bible reads: "...and he was the same as God."
1970, 1989 The Revised English Bible reads: "...and what God was, the Word was."
1975 " and a god (or, of a divine kind) was the Word" Das Evangelium nach Johnnes, by Siegfried Schulz, Göttingen, Germany
1975 "and the Word was a god." - Das Evangelium nach Johannes (S. Schulz, 1975);
1978 “and godlike sort was the Logos” - Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Johannes Schneider, Berlin.
1993 The Word was first, the Word present to God, God present to the Word. The Word was God, in readiness for God from day one. - The Message, by Eugene H. Peterson.
one thing is sure , the apostles told us who our God is , and they recorded it, so that we can be protected from man made doctrines. and as christians we should follow what the scriptures says.
King James Version
Eph 4:6One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
King James Version
1Co 8:5For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
1Co 8:6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
King James Version
1Co 11:3But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God
do you know and accept the God is the head of christ?
Surely if you accept, you would also accept when the apostles told us who that God is
King James Version
Eph 1:17That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him
Col 1:3We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,God was the word.[/b]

johnw74:
Phony, I don't quote lengthy false doctrine
I just quote the part I want to respond to
get used to it.

what about those scriptures posted, are they false doctrines.
For a matter of fact, you cannot even mention ONE FALSE DOCTRINE in the parts you cut off!
pls plus pls, I'm begging you one more time, if you want to quote my post, don't remove, cut, omit or replace my words!
nothing stops you from responding to the part you want to respond to while leaving my post the way it is!
Leaving my post the way it is without adulteration when quoting it does not affect your response.
leaving post the way they are when responding shows sincerity, that one is not trying to hide anything, that one can fully respond to the issues at hand.
It also helps anyone reading the thread to fully understand what is going on and a cess things themselves, being giving full info without deliberate modifications.
Sir I wunt get used to bad traits!

johnw74:
@bold, Ha ha, false jw's doctrine is man made derived false doctrine - watchtower etc.
when false jw lie and accuse they are always talking about themselves

@underline, of course it is false jw's who twist the scriptures and ignore some,
and you don't correct adulterated scriptures, but you adulterate correct scriptures to suit your satanic doctrines.



Here is one example where the jw sect adulterate the scriptures,
they change: "the Word was God" to "the Word was a god" to support there satanic doctrines:


John 1:1, "The word was a god"

In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. The New World Translation

God was the word in Greek. This is one of the most common verses of contention between the Jehovah's Witnesses and Christians. Their false assumption is that Jesus is not God in flesh but Michael the archangel who became a man. Therefore, since they deny that Jesus is divine, they have altered the Bible in John 1:1 so that Jesus is not divine in nature. The New World Translation has added the word "a" to the verse so it says, " . . . and the Word was a god." The correct translation for this verse is "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God." This is how it is rendered in the NASB, NIV, KJV, NKJV, ASV, RSV, etc.

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pls, I beg you, don't cut parts of my posts off, expecially the parts that contain scriptures. If you feel you don't want or can't respond to the post and the scriptures given, why don't you just leave the post alone!

you remember my last post to you on John 1:1, why don't you go there and respond to the points given!

johnw74:
Oh how you Lie Lie

it is extablished that I never said any of the above. I never said "God is a two headed god"
or "God is a two headed god's".
The above words can only be supported if :
1. parts of My sentence is cut off/ removed
2. The whole text which contains some explanation is cut off or removed.

hence they will refuse to post my full text, but will prefer to explain in their own way, my own words and cut off my own explanations when quoting my own words.
several times I've asked for them to post my full text on these thread , but they refused.

Feel you are lying, Ha ha, I know you are lying as you and all do, Lie Lie

okay , If you feel know I'm lying pls post the full text of my post so everyone can see it!

Lie Lie, I haven't changed your quote in any way, and you were referring to God and the Word as a two headed god,
so I haven't given diffrent meaning at all

1. you have changed my sentence by cutting off part of the words in that sentence
2. you have removed my explanation when quoting that post and have refused to quote the full text.
3. I was not referring to god and the word as a two headed god!, what I was referring to is presented 7th that thread, but because it will expose you, you vehemently refused to quote the full texts, preferring to selects words that will suit your aim. If you really want the truth to be revealed, present the full text so that everyone will examine it and come to their own conclusions.
4. you have tried desperately to give a different meaning to what I said , there are explanations, scriptures , views given by me in that thread , but you have failed to present them cus it will falsely your accusations.

Ha ha, Lie Lie, if there was anything in your post that would prove and expose that I misquoted you, you would post it,
you even slipped up and admitted in one of your recent posts, and now you are back to your usual lying,
you said concerning God and the Word "your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."

1. It is you that is quoting part of my post after cutting of most words there , it is you that is cutting off parts of my sentence and adding your own explanation to my words.
I've asked you only one thing: pls post the full text of my post that you are quoting for all to see!
2. pls post that post that I made an admission , pls post the full text for all to see.
3. did i say concerning God and the Word "your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."? noooooo!. pls stop giving your own meaning to my words while deliberately omitting my own explanations. cus you know your meanings wunt stand if you post my full texts in those thread, you have thus refused to do so and prefer to cut it off when quoting the post.

Lie Lie, I even posted a quote of my reply to your post, but you are so caught up in lies that it is all you can do

pls prove me a liar, pls just show everyone reading this thread where you
1. posted a quote of your reply to my explanation.
2. responded to my explanation.
3. pls post those quotes of yours again and prove to everyone that you indeed responded to my explanation!

Of course you called God a two headed god, you were referring to God and the Word when you said:
"your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."

Lie Lie dolphinheart

did I call god a two headed god? no
was I referring to god and the word? no
he knows this , hence he could not provide my full texts

solite3:
I m calling on all Jehovah witnesses to repent now! You are not serving God believe in Jesus alone stop preaching heresies look for a bible believing church and worship there, for there is no other name that has been given to men under heaven wherein they are to be saved.

yes you are right, there is no other name giving to men under heaven wherein they are to be saved. you can find such words in the scriptures and Jehovahs witnesses believe it

Ac 4:12Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.”

they have gone ahead to understand that someone gave that name, who gave that name and why it is giving.

Joh 1:12However, to all who did receive him, he gave authority to become God’s children, because they were exercising faith in his name.
Joh 14:6Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
1Ti 2:5, 6 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, 6who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all—this is what is to be witnessed to in its own due time.

look at what John said about God and Jesus :

1Jo 5:9If we accept the witness of men, the witness of God is greater. Because this is the witness God gives, the witness that he has given about his Son.
10The person putting his faith in the Son of God has the witness within himself. The person not having faith in God has made him a liar, because he has not put his faith in the witness given by God concerning his Son.
11And this is the witness, that God gave us everlasting life, and this life is in his Son.
12The one who has the Son has this life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have this life.

contrary to false claims , Jehovahs witnesses believe these verses above, they know the source of evaluating life for mankind.

Jehovah has said that he sent the son to mankind, but he also tells us to listen to him, here are some of the words said by the son of God when he came and I hope you follow them :

first jehovah said:
[b]De 18:15Jehovah your God will raise up for you from among your brothers a prophet like me. You must listen to him.
Ac 3:22, 23In fact, Moses said: ‘Jehovah your God will raise up for you from among your brothers a prophet like me. You must listen to whatever he tells you. 23Indeed, anyone who does not listen to that Prophet will be completely destroyed from among the people.’
Heb 2:3how will we escape if we have neglected so great a salvation? For it began to be spoken through our Lord and was verified for us by those who heard him,
Mt 17:5While he was still speaking, look! a bright cloud overshadowed them, and look! a voice out of the cloud said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved. Listen to him.”
Isa 42:1Look! My servant, whom I support! My chosen one, whom I have approved! I have put my spirit in him; He will bring justice to the nations.
Mt 3:17Look! Also, a voice from the heavens said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.”
2Pe 1:17, 18 For HE RECIEVED from God the Father honor and glory when words such as these were conveyed to him by the magnificent glory: “This is my Son, my beloved, whom I myself have approved.”18Yes, these words we heard coming from heaven while we were with him in the holy mountain.[/b]

Now what are some of the things the son of God told us and that we must listen to and follow:
[b]Joh 17:3This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
Joh 17:8 because I have given them the sayings that you gave me, and they have accepted them and have certainly come to know that I came as your representative, and they have believed that you sent me.


Joh 5:20For the Father has affection for the Son and shows him all the things he himself does, and he will show him works greater than these, so that you may marvel.
Joh 5:22For the Father judges no one at all, but he has entrusted all the judging to the Son,
Ac 10:42Also, he ordered us to preach to the people and to give a thorough witness that this is the one decreed by God to be judge of the living and the dead.
* read also Ac 17:31; 2Co 5:10 ; 2Ti 4:1



Joh 5:24Most truly I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes the One who sent me has everlasting life, and he does not come into judgment but has passed over from death to life.
Joh 5:26For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has GRANTED also to the Son to have life in himself.

Joh 3:16“ For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.
Joh 6:40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who recognizes the Son and exercises faith in him should have everlasting life, and I will resurrect him on the last day.”[/color]

WHAT DID JESUS AND THE DISCIPLES SAY ABOUT OUR GOD ?
Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”

WHAT DID HIS DISCIPLES SAY ABOUT OUR GOD?
1Co 11:3But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God.
Eph 1:17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him.
Col 1:3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,

Jehovahs witnesses believe and try their best to follow the scriptures above, and not some man made derived and false doctrine that can only be supported when one twists the scriptures, totally ignore some, and use scripture verses that had been proven to be adulterated and corrected!

johnw74:
Lie Lie dolphinheart

You are trying to make brocab out to be a liar, changing and twisting what you wrote,
when all he did was mistakenly add an "s " to God, which would make no difference if you said:
"God is a two headed god"
or
"God is a two headed god's". Both are wrong and both are blasphemy.

Johnw74, I never said any of the above.
If you feel I'm lying pls post the full text of my post so everyone can see it!
and stop cutting part of my words off to give a different meaning.
you continue to post parts of my post, you continue to remove my words when quoting me,why?. simply because posting my full text will not only prove your allegations wrong, but it will also expose your doctrines as false.!
I've simply made one simple request , which is : POST THE FULL ,COMPLETE TEXT IN MY POST! AND EVERYONE SEE IT!

You are the one who has lied, not just once but all through this thread, and that is very clear.

You lied day after day denying that you called God a two headed god, and now you try to make bro out to be a liar, just to continue denying that you called God a two headed god.

Concerning God and the Word false jw dolphin said:

1. you could not post the full text cus it will expose you.
2. you could not post or show us your post where you responded to my explanation cus it does not exist!


did I call God a two headed god? no
did I say God is a two headed god? no
they could not post my full text , they only arrived at such words by cutting part of my statements off and refusing to post the full text cus it contains detailed explanation about what I said!

tartar9:
Good thing you said "claims".Well,am the only one with evidence.In a court of law,I would have
already won the case:



THE CRIMES OF YOUR MURDERED god:
EX 17:13 With the Lord's approval, Joshua mows
down Amalek and his people.
EX 21:20-21 With the Lord's approval, a slave
may be beaten to death with no punishment for
the perpetrator as long as the slave doesn't die
too quickly.
EX 32:27 "Put every man his sword by his side,
and go in and out from gate to gate throughout
the camp, and slay every man his brother, and
every man his companion, and every man his
neighbor.
EX 32:27-29 With the Lord's approval, the
Israelites slay 3000 men.
LE 26:7-8 The Lord promises the Israelites that, if
they are obedient, their enemies will "fall before
your sword."
LE 26:22 "I will also send wild beasts among you,
which shall rob you of your children."
LE 26:29 , DT 28:53 , JE 19:9 , EZ 5:8-10 As a
punishment, the Lord will cause people to eat the
flesh of their own sons and daughters and fathers
and friends.
LE 27:29 Human sacrifice is condoned. (Note: An
example is given in JG 11:30-39 )
NU 11:33 The Lord smites the people with a great
plague.
NU 12:1-10 God makes Miriam a leper for seven
days because she and Aaron had spoken against
Moses.
NU 15:32-36 A Sabbath breaker (who had
gathered sticks for a fire) is stoned to death at
the Lord's command.
NU 16:27-33 The Lord causes the earth to open
and swallow up the men and their households
(including wives and children) because the men
had been rebellious.
NU 16:35 A fire from the Lord consumes 250
men.
NU 16:49 A plague from the Lord kills 14,700
people.
NU 21:3 The Israelites utterly destroy the
Canaanites.
NU 21:6 Fiery serpents, sent by the Lord, kill
many Israelites.
NU 21:35 With the Lord's approval, the Israelites
slay Og "... and his sons and all his people, until
there was not one survivor left ...."
NU 25:4 (KJV) "And the Lord said unto Moses,
take all the heads of the people, and hang them
up before the Lord against the sun ...."
NU 25:8 "He went after the man of Israel into the
tent, and thrust both of them through, the man of
Israel, and the woman through her belly."
NU 25:9 24,000 people die in a plague from the
Lord.
NU 31:9 The Israelites capture Midianite women
and children.
NU 31:17-18 Moses, following the Lord's
command, orders the Israelites to kill all the
Midianite male children and "... every woman who
has known man ...." (Note: How would it be
determined which women had known men? One
can only speculate.)
NU 31:31-40 32,000 virgins are taken by the
Israelites as booty. Thirty-two are set aside (to
be sacrificed?) as a tribute for the Lord.
DT 2:33-34 The Israelites utterly destroy the men,
women, and children of Sihon.
DT 3:6 The Israelites utterly destroy the men,
women, and children of Og.
DT 7:2 The Lord commands the Israelites to
"utterly destroy" and show "no mercy" to those
whom he gives them for defeat.
DT 20:13-14 "When the Lord delivers it into your
hand, put to the sword all the males .... As for
the women, the children, the livestock and
everything else in the city, you may take these as
plunder for yourselves."
DT 20:16 "In the cities of the nations the Lord is
giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive
anything that breathes."
DT 21:10-13 With the Lord's approval, the
Israelites are allowed to take "beautiful women"
from the enemy camp to be their captive wives.
If, after sexual relations, the husband has "no
delight" in his wife, he can simply let her go.
DT 28:53 "You will eat the fruit of the womb, the
flesh of the sons and daughters the Lord your
God has given you."
JS 1:1-9 , 18 Joshua receives the Lord's blessing
for all the bloody endeavors to follow.
JS 6:21-27 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
destroys the city of Jericho--men, women, and
children--with the edge of the sword.
JS 7:19-26 Achan, his children and his cattle are
stoned to death because Achan had taken a
taboo thing.
JS 8:22-25 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
utterly smites the people of Ai, killing 12,000 men
and women, so that there were none who
escaped.
JS 10:10-27 With the help of the Lord, Joshua
utterly destroys the Gibeonites.
JS 10:28 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly
destroys the people of Makkedah.
JS 10:30 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly
destroys the Libnahites.
JS 10:32-33 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
utterly destroys the people of Lachish.
JS 10:34-35 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
utterly destroys the Eglonites.
JS 10:36-37 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
utterly destroys the Hebronites.
JS 10:38-39 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
utterly destroys the Debirites.
JS 10:40 (A summary statement.) "So Joshua
defeated the whole land ...; he left none
remaining, but destroyed all that breathed, as the
Lord God of Israel commanded."
JS 11:6 The Lord orders horses to be hamstrung.
(Exceedingly cruel.)
JS 11:8-15 "And the lord gave them into the hand
of Israel, ...utterly destroying them; there was
none left that breathed ...."
JS 11:20 "For it was the Lord's doing to harden
their hearts that they should come against Israel
in battle, in order that they should be utterly
destroyed, and should receive no mercy but be
exterminated, as the Lord commanded Moses."
JS 11:21-23 Joshua utterly destroys the Anakim.
JG 1:4 With the Lord's support, Judah defeats
10,000 Canaanites at Bezek.
JG 1:6 With the Lord's approval, Judah pursues
Adoni-bezek, catches him, and cuts off his
thumbs and big toes.
JG 1:8 With the Lord's approval, Judah smites
Jerusalem.
JG 1:17 With the Lord's approval, Judah and
Simeon utterly destroy the Canaanites who
inhabited Zephath.
JG 3:29 The Israelites kill about 10,000 Moabites.
JG 3:31 (A restatement.) Shamgar killed 600
Philistines with an oxgoad.
JG 4:21 Jael takes a tent stake and hammers it
through the head of Sisera, fastening it to the
ground.
JG 7:19-25 The Gideons defeat the Midianites,
slay their princes, cut off their heads, and bring
the heads back to Gideon.
JG 8:15-21 The Gideons slaughter the men of
Penuel.
JG 9:5 Abimalech murders his brothers.
JG 9:45 Abimalech and his men kill all the people
in the city.
JG 9:53-54 "A woman dropped a stone on his
head and cracked his skull. Hurriedly he called to
his armor-bearer, 'Draw your sword and kill me,
so that they can't say a woman killed me.' So his
servant ran him through, and he died."
JG 11:29-39 Jepthah sacrifices his beloved
daughter, his only child, according to a vow he
has made with the Lord.
JG 14:19 The Spirit of the Lord comes upon a
man and causes him to slay thirty men.
JG 15:15 Samson slays 1000 men with the
jawbone of an ass.
JG 16:21 The Philistines gouge out Samson's
eyes.
JG 16:27-30 Samson, with the help of the Lord,
pulls down the pillars of the Philistine house and
causes his own death and that of 3000 other men
and women.
JG 18:27 The Danites slay the quiet and
unsuspecting people of Laish.
JG 19:22-29 A group of sexual depraved men
beat on the door of an old man's house
demanding that he turn over to them a male
house guest. Instead, the old man offers his
virgin daughter and his guest's concubine (or
wife): "Behold, here are my virgin daughter and
his concubine; let me bring them out now. Ravish
them and do with them what seems good to you;
but against this man do not do so vile a thing."
The man's concubine is ravished and dies. The
man then cuts her body into twelve pieces and
sends one piece to each of the twelve tribes of
Israel.
JG 20:43-48 The Israelites smite 25,000+ "men of
valor" from amongst the Benjamites, "men and
beasts and all that they found," and set their
towns on fire.
JG 21:10-12 "... Go and smite the inhabitants of
Jabesh-gilead with the edge of the sword and;
also the women and little ones.... every male and
every woman that has lain with a male you shall
utterly destroy." They do so and find four hundred
young virgins whom they bring back for their own
use.
1SA 4:10 The Philistines slay 30,000 Israelite foot
soldiers.
1SA 5:6-9 The Lord afflicts the Philistines with
tumors in their "secret parts," presumably for
having stolen the Ark.
1SA 6:19 God kills seventy men (or so) for
looking into the Ark (at him?). (Note: The early
Israelites apparently thought the Ark to be God's
abode.)
1SA 7:7-11 Samuel and his men smite the
Philistines.
1SA 11:11 With the Lord's blessing, Saul and his
men cut down the Ammonites.
1SA 14:31 Jonathan and his men strike down the
Philistines.
1SA 14:48 Saul smites the Amalekites.
1SA 15:3 , 7-8 "This is what the Lord says: Now
go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that
they have; do not spare them, but kill both man
and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep,
camel and ass ....' And Saul ... utterly destroyed
all the people with the edge of the sword."
1SA 15:33 "Samuel hewed Agag in pieces before
the Lord ...."
1SA 18:7 The women sing as they make merry:
"Saul has slain his thousands and David his ten
thousands."
1SA 27:8-11 "David left neither man nor woman
alive ....". (Note: This implies that children and
infants were included in the slaughter.)
1SA 30:17 David smites the Amalekites.
2SA 2:23 Abner kills Asahel.
2SA 3:30 Joab and Abishai kill Abner.
2SA 4:7-8 Rechan and Baanah kill Ish-bosheth,
behead him, and take his head to David.
2SA 4:12 David has Rechan and Baanah killed,
their hands and feet cut off, and their bodies
hanged by the pool at Hebron.
2SA 5:25 "And David did as the Lord commanded
him, and smote the Philistines ...."
2SA 6:2-23 Because she rebuked him for having
exposed himself, Michal (David's wife) was barren
throughout her life.
2SA 8:1-18 (A listing of some of David's
murderous conquests.)
2SA 8:4 David hamstrung all but a few of the
horses.
2SA 8:5 David slew 22,000 Syrians.
2SA 8:6 , 14 "The Lord gave victory to David
wherever he went."
2SA 8:13 David slew 18,000 Edomites in the
valley of salt and made the rest slaves.
2SA 10:18 David slew 47,000+ Syrians.
2SA 11:14-27 David has Uriah killed so that he
can marry Uriah's wife, Bathsheba.
2SA 12:1 , 19 The Lord strikes David's child dead
for the sin that David has committed.
2SA 13:1-15 Amnon loves his sister Tamar, rapes
her, then hates her.
2SA 13:28-29 Absalom has Amnon murdered.
2SA 18:6 -7 20,000 men are slaughtered at the
battle in the forest of Ephraim.
2SA 18:15 Joab's men murder Absalom.
2SA 20:10-12 Joab's men murder Amasa and
leave him "... wallowing in his own blood in the
highway. And anyone who came by, seeing him,
stopped."
2SA 24:15 The Lord sends a pestilence on Israel
that kills 70,000 men.
1KI 2:24-25 Solomon has Adonijah murdered.
1KI 2:29-34 Solomon has Joab murdered.
1KI 2:46 Solomon has Shime-i murdered.
1KI 13:15-24 A man is killed by a lion for eating
bread and drinking water in a place where the
Lord had previously told him not to. This is in
spite of the fact that the man had subsequently
been lied to by a prophet who told the man that
an angel of the Lord said that it would be alright
to eat and drink there.
1KI 20:29-30 The Israelites smite 100,000 Syrian
soldiers in one day. A wall falls on 27,000
remaining Syrians.
2KI 1:10-12 Fire from heaven comes down and
consumes fifty men.
2KI 2:23-24 Forty-two children are mauled and
killed, presumably according to the will of God,
for having jeered at a man of God.
2KI 5:27 Elisha curses Gehazi and his
descendants forever with leprosy.
2KI 6:18-19 The Lord answers Elisha's prayer and
strikes the Syrians with blindness. Elisha tricks
the blind Syrians and leads them to Samaria.
2KI 6:29 "So we cooked my son and ate him. The
next day I said to her, 'Give up your son so we
may eat him,' but she had hidden him."
2KI 9:24 Jehu tricks and murders Joram.
2KI 9:27 Jehu has Ahaziah killed.
2KI 9:30-37 Jehu has Jezebel killed. Her body is
trampled by horses. Dogs eat her flesh so that
only her skull, feet, and the palms of her hands
remain.
2KI 10:7 Jehu has Ahab's seventy sons beheaded,
then sends the heads to their father.
2KI 10:14 Jehu has forty-two of Ahab's kin killed.
2KI 10:17 "And when he came to Samaria, he
slew all that remained to Ahab in Samaria, till he
had wiped them out, according to the word of the
Lord ...."
2KI 10:19-27 Jehu uses trickery to massacre the
Baal worshippers.
2KI 11:1 Athaliah destroys all the royal family.
2KI 14:5 , 7 Amaziah kills his servants and then
10,000 Edomites.
2KI 15:3-5 Even though he did what was right in
the eyes of the Lord, the Lord smites Azariah with
leprosy for not having removed the "high places."
2KI 15:16 Menahem ripped open all the women
who were pregnant.
2KI 19:35 An angel of the Lord kills 185,000 men.
1CH 20:3 (KJV) "And he brought out the people
that were in it, and cut them with saws, and with
harrows of iron, and with axes."
2CH 13:17 500,000 Israelites are slaughtered.
2CH 21:4 Jehoram slays all his brothers.
PS 137:9 Happy will be the man who dashes your
little ones against the stones.
PS 144:1 God is praised as the one who trains
hands for war and fingers for battle.
IS 13:15 "Everyone who is captured will be thrust
through; all who are caught will fall by the
sword. Their infants will be dashed to pieces
before their eyes; their ... wives will be ravished."
IS 13:18 "Their bows also shall dash the young
men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the
fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare
children."
IS 14:21-22 "Prepare slaughter for his children for
the iniquity of their fathers."
IS 49:26 The Lord will cause the oppressors of
the Israelite's to eat their own flesh and to
become drunk on their own blood as with wine.
JE 16:4 "They shall die grievous deaths; they
shall not be lamented; neither shall they be
buried; but they shall be as dung upon the face
of the earth: and they shall be consumed by the
sword, and by famine; and their carcasses shall
be meat for the fowls of heaven, and for the
beasts of the earth."
LA 4:9-10 "Those slain by the sword are better off
than those who die of famine; racked with
hunger, they waste away for lack of food. ...
pitiful women have cooked their own children,
who became their food ..."
EZ 6:12-13 The Lord says: "... they will fall by the
sword, famine and plague. He that is far away
will die of the plague, and he that is near will fall
by the sword, and he that survives and is spared
will die of famine. So will I spend my wrath upon
them. And they will know I am the Lord, when the
people lie slain among their idols around their
altars, on every high hill and on all the
mountaintops, under every spreading tree and
every leafy oak ...."
EZ 9:4-6 The Lord commands: "... slay old men
outright, young men and maidens, little children
and women ...."
EZ 20:26 In order that he might horrify them, the
Lord allowed the Israelites to defile themselves
through, amongst other things, the sacrifice of
their first-born children.
EZ 21:3-4 The Lord says that he will cut off both
the righteous and the wicked that his sword shall
go against all flesh.
EZ 23:25 , 47 God is going to slay the sons and
daughters of those who were whores.
EZ 23:34 "You shall ... pluck out your hair, and
tear your breasts."
HO 13:16 "They shall fall by the sword: their
infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their
women with child shall be ripped up."
MI 3:2-3 "... who pluck off their skin ..., and their
flesh from off their bones; Who also eat the flesh
of my people, and flay their skin from off them;
and they break their bones, and chop them in
pieces, as for the pot, and as flesh within the
caldron."
MT 3:12 , 8:12 , 10:21 , 13:30 , 42, 22:13 , 24:51 ,
25:30 , LK 13:28 , JN 5:24 Some will spend eternity
burning in Hell. There will be weeping, wailing and
gnashing of teeth.
MT 10:21 "... the brother shall deliver up his
brother to death, and the father his child, ...
children shall rise up against their parents, and
cause them to be put to death."
MT 10:35-36 "For I have come to turn a man
against his father, a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law a
man's enemies will be the members of his own
family."
MT 11:21-24 Jesus curses [the inhabitants of]
three cities who were not sufficiently impressed
with his great works.
AC 13:11 Paul purposefully blinds a man

good to know where the prophet and his followers got their inspiration from!
they got it in a book they believe has been adulterated and from a god they don't believe exist!
imagine!

brocab:
Dolphinhearts Quote>pls show us where God claimed to have died, then also show us where Jesus also claims to have died?
From the beginning these same scriptures were brought forward {Revelation 1:17-18, Revelation 1:7-8} Whom you had refuse to believe these scriptures were about Jesus.
{Revelation 1:18} I Am he that lived and was dead, and behold I am alive forevermore. Amen.. and I have the keys of Hell and of death.

1. you refused to quote all the verses
2. you refused to tell which verse is talking about jesus and which is talking about God !

now let's quote those verses :
Re 1:17,18 When I saw him, I fell as dead at his feet. And he laid his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last, 18and the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of the Grave.
this verses are referring to jesus, other supporting scriptures also share this view!

The first and the last:
Ac 26:23that the Christ was to suffer and that as the first to be resurrected from the dead, he was going to proclaim light both to this people and to the nations.”
Col 1:18and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he MIGHT BECOME the one who is first in all things;
Re 1:5and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “the firstborn from the dead,” and “the Ruler of the kings of the earth.” To him who loves us and who set us free from our sins by means of his own blood—
Re 2:8“And to the angel of the congregation in Smyrʹna write: These are the things that he says, ‘the First and the Last,’ who BECAME DEAD and came to life again:

The living one , who died, and now living forever and ever!
1Co 15:45So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living person.” The last Adam BECAME a life-giving spirit.
1Pe 3:18For Christ died once for all time for sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit.
Ro 6:9For we know that Christ, now that he has been raised up from the dead, dies no more; death is no longer master over him

Having used the scriptures to identify that that rev 1:17,18 is talking about jesus, we should also take note of who resurrected jesus, since it has been established that he(jesus) died!
Ac 2:32 God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses.
Ac 3:15whereas you killed the Chief Agent of life. But God raised him up from the dead, of which fact we are witnesses.

brocab, did the scripture say jesus resurrected himself? no
the scripture said God resurrected jesus!.
If God had died when jesus died, god would not have able resurrect jesus.
notice jesus words when he died:
Lu 23:46And Jesus called out with a loud voice and said: “Father, into your hands I entrust my spirit.” After he said this, he expired.

Now let's move to rev 1: 7,8
[b] Re 1:7 Look! He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, and those who pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him. Yes, Amen.
by the statement, "those who pieced him", we know these verse was talking about jesus, the preceding verse says he make humans priests to his God and father!

Mt 26:64Jesus said to him: “You yourself said it. But I say to you: From now on you will [/u]see the Son of man sitting at the right hand of power and coming on the clouds of heaven.”[/u]
Joh 19:34But one of the soldiers jabbed his side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out.
Joh 19:37And again, a different scripture says: “They will look to the one whom they pierced.”

rev 1:8
Re 1:8“I am the Alʹpha and the O·meʹga,” says Jehovah God, “the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.”
this verse is is reference to jehovah, he is the one who is and who was and who is coming, rev 1:4,5 has already separated this person called jehovah from the person called jesus. verse 8 now concludes it by calling this one almighty !
Ex 6:3And I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God Almighty, but with regard to my name Jehovah I did not make myself known to them.

Ge 17:1When Aʹbram was 99 years old, Jehovah appeared to Aʹbram and said to him: “I am God Almighty. Walk before me and prove yourself faultless.

We have looked at the verses and seen that
1. jesus died
2. jesus was resurrected by god
3. god did not die!

therefore you could not provide scripture where both died, you could not provide scripture where God died. your statement "Both claim I was alive, and I was dead, and look I am alive forevermore." is very wrong!

{1 John 5:20} And for the third time I have answered this verse-How many times would I have to answer this same scripture, Before you accept the answers from me?

sir, I did not ask you to answer the verse, this is the question again pls note, the question are specific and are numbered )

A)let's see if you can answer these questions(I know you will not, but will give you a chance to prove me wrong)
King James Version
1Jo 5:20And we know that the (1) Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know (2) him that is true, and we are in (3) him that is true, (4)even in (5) his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
now brocab, pls tell us:
1. who is "the son of God" in (1) above, coloured red
2. who is the "him" in (2) above, coloured blue
3. who is the "him" in (3) above , coloured red
4. what do you understand by the underlined "even I his son" in (4)
5. who is the "his " in 5 above , coloured blue.
PLS NOTE IF HE WILL ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS.

Dolphinheart without the Spirit this verse will always be confusing for you, you need the Spirit of God to help you see scriptures come alive, Dolphinheart-I think Dead man walking, would be a perfect description, to give unto you.

you once claimed to have the spirit in you, hope it can help you to give answers to the questions above( note again that it is numbered and not scattered)

Your claims for me not answering any of the scriptures is because I don't answer them the way you would like me to answer them.

you did not only refuse to answer , you refused to even mention them , talk less of quote them!.
I do not only say this, but provide proof of it. I'll take the recent (though there are plenty ) scripture you refuse to quote and share your understanding of :
Da 7:13“I kept watching in the visions of the night, and look! with the clouds of the heavens, someone like a son of man was coming; and he gained access to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him up close before that One.

How many times do I have to repeat myself, I don't see any of the scriptures the way you understand them to be-I see these scriptures in a much deeper channel-I don't see them the way you believe you understand them.
So trying to push me for the answers 'the way you would like me to answer them, then all I can say is, you are barking up the wrong tree.
Again I will repeat myself-I don't see the scriptures the way you 'see them. And I can't answer the scriptures the way you would like me to answer them?
Dolphinheart you are dealing with born again Spirit filled Christians. We don't just see these verses in the flesh only, we see them in the Spirit too.

have I told you to see it as I see it? No
have I asked you to explain them the way I want? no
all I've asked is for you to share that your understanding of certain scriptures, which you have vehemently refused to do! despite always claiming to be a born again spirit filled Christian.

brocab:
Is their anyway dolphinheart you may shorten your pages-it is hard to keep up with all your demands, and everything you seem to rewrite, I have either answered them time and time over-do you actually read the answers?

sir, unlike you, I do prefer to quote the scriptures, it takes space and time, but I don't mind. so that anyone seeing my explanations or reading my views will know where I got them from. There is no need to rush a reply, read the post carefully, look at all the scriptures and questions asked , then reply. Mostimes , I try to number each point, you can follow that method too.

pls do stop lying sir, if you had answered a question , I will not repeat it.

I don't believe you are one person dolphinheart-is their a Mrs dolphinheart? All is their a Mr? You can't seem to keep up with the times, you write one thing on one page and deny it on the next page. Like the two headed God's you wrote and denied to John74.

1. even if there is a Mrs dolphinheart, we wunt still be one person! so your question is wrong!

2. PLS PLS PLS, SHOW WHERE I WRITE SOMETHING ON ONE PAGE AND DENY IT THE NEXT PAGE.
DID I WRITE " TWO HEADED GOD'S ? NO! STOP CHANGING AND TWISTING WHAT I WROTE!
you once claimed to have seen where I wrote the words under discussion, but even you refuse to post the full text of that post on these thread !

Which of course your long pages are starting to bore me, it seems You aren't happy with the scriptures you had found to prove Jesus and His Father are separable, nor are you happy about giving anybody time to answer, I don't see these as so called questions, I see them as demands-Jesus said: by their fruit you will know them; you are quick when replying back, angry and frustrated, throwing in a little abuse towards me and of course my fellow Christians.

1. Im not the one forcing you to reply
2. I'm not the one forcing to reply without taking your time
3. I'm not abusing you, I'm just stating a fact.
4. I'm not even quick replying you, sometimes It take days before I reply!
5. you dream and wish I'm angry and frustrated, but you are wrong, neither will I follow you in discussing emotional state of others!

Mr dolphinheart, is this the right way to act towards other believers? Sorry Mr dolphinheart-their is nothing you have shared with me-nor had proven any of the truth about Christ.

someone who is a follower of Christ will not resort to deliberate lies, false accusations, attempted defamation, refusal to quote and explain scriptures, deliberate changing of issues under discussion, refusal to answer questions , just to look right!
The scriptures I've quoted to you, which you have refused to read and share your opinion is enough to show the world that I indeed tried to share something with you or through you!

Always changing the scriptures every time you rewrite or write a new page-doesn't make a difference. You need to come up with a different approach about the scriptures, your way isn't working, your fleshly method of trying to be convincing, really isn't enough to lead us away from the truth.

1. always changing the scriptures?, pls show one example of where I did that?
2. I not even trying to convince you sir!
3. you claim to know the truth, yet you vehemently refuse to explain certain scriptures posted to you!

If you want me to keep up with the times-then it is best to shorten your pages, I haven't got all day trying to read your long and boring documentation. I don't need to write a long list of scriptures to prove to myself who God is to me.

take as many days as you want to read it if you want to, nobody is forcing you as to time and space!
If your view on who god is contradicts what the scriptures says, them their is something wrong with your view of who godo is. It is this contradiction you are afraid of , hence your refusal to answer certain questions or explain certain scriptures .

All the bible's-ESPECIALLY the NWT Bible states God and Jesus are One the same, both are not separable, both need each other.

continue lying and adding to the scriptures, no wonder you can't quote them.

But in your case you need the hole bible to prove God and Jesus are separable. Both are the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end-the first and the last. Both claim I was alive, and I was dead, and look I am alive forevermore. If this is classed as being separable, Then who's coming?

pls show us where God claimed to have died, then also show us where Jesus also claims to have died?

The seed theory just blew over you head. I was trying to give you an example, how the seeds work-but of course that was a waste of time, once again.

you could not answer simple questions about your seed theory , it could not stand scrutiny!

A)let's see if you can answer these questions(I know you will not, but will give you a chance to prove me wrong)
King James Version
1Jo 5:20And we know that the (1) Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know (2) him that is true, and we are in (3) him that is true, (4)even in (5) his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
now brocab, pls tell us:
1. who is "the son of God" in (1) above, coloured red
2. who is the "him" in (2) above, coloured blue
3. who is the "him" in (3) above , coloured red
4. what do you understand by the underlined "even I his son" in (4)
5. who is the "his " in 5 above , coloured blue.
PLS NOTE IF HE WILL ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS.

brocab, for the third time you have refused to explain these scripture:

Da 7:13“I kept watching in the visions of the night, and look! with the clouds of the heavens, someone like a son of man was coming; and he gained access to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him up close before that One.

brocab:
Yes this scripture can only sound the way it is written, but what your problem is-you just don't see it the way it sounds.
You are to busy trying to separate the Father away from His Son-that you are not seeing the bigger picture what God had said about His Son.

WHAT HAS THE FATHER SAID ABOUT HIS SON ? pls read the scriptures below :

Mt 17:5While he was still speaking, look! a bright cloud overshadowed them, and look! a voice out of the cloud said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved. Listen to him.”

Isa 42:1[u]Look! My servant, whom I support! My chosen one, whom I have approved! I have put my spirit in him; He will bring justice to the nations.[/b]

do you remember what the angel told Mary ?
King James Version
Lu 1:32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

do you read what the apostle said :
2Pe 1:17, 18For he received from God the Father honor and glory when words such as these were conveyed to him by the magnificent glory: “This is my Son, my beloved, whom I myself have approved.”18Yes, these words we heard coming from heaven while we were with him in the holy mountain.

if God said you should listen to his son, why do you now refuse to do that when he said :
King James Version
Joh 20:17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Its the way the scriptures says it-that you are not understanding? {1 John 5:20} Even in His Son Jesus-this is the true God a eternal life.[/quo
If I was to see this verse as the world see's this verse-then I would see it the way you can see it, only by separating the Father from the Son.
But because I see it written the way God see's His Son-I can understand the Father when He wrote this verse-He is not separating Himself from His Son-matter of fact He is claiming He and His Son are all in One.

you will not quote the verse
you will not explain the verse in full
you cannot counter the explanation giving to you
neither can you answer this question being asked a third time :

let's see if you can answer these questions(I know you will not, but will give you a chance to prove me wrong)
King James Version
1Jo 5:20And we know that the (1)[color=red]Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know (2)him that is true, and we are in (3)him that is true, (4)even in (5)his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

now brocab, pls tell us:
1. who is "the son of God" in (1) above, coloured red
2. who is the "him" in (2) above, coloured blue
3. who is the "him" in (3) above , coloured red
4. what do you understand by the underlined "even I his son" in (4)
5. who is the "his " in 5 above , coloured blue.

PLS NOTE IF HE WILL ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS.

His seed is His Son's seed-both Father and Son are not separable. Even in His Son Jesus Christ-this is the true God and eternal life.[/color]

pls use the scriptures to explain the bolded above

The Father Has just told me-Jesus is the true God just as the Father is the true God.

continue!, when Jesus and the scriptures I've identified the true God, when Jesus has told you that only the father is the true god!

If I was speaking with the Father {who has a Fathers pride of course} then I can imagine how this would sound, the Fathers would say, My son has come, and has given us an understanding, that we may know Him, that everything My Son say's it's true.

unfortunately for you, because you refused to read that verse, you did not not understand what John has been saying from verse one.
I quoted some verses from that chapter, you could not read it, talk less of explaining it:

King James Version
1Jo 5:5Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

King James Version
1Jo 5:11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

King James Version
1Jo 5:20And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

you can continue to follow your man made understandings, I've explained the grammar to you, I've shown you what scholars said. But you will not see it .

{I would say to myself "wow this dad loves His son} And if I stood their long enough and listened to the Father, Then I would see it, the same as the Father had just told me-even in His Son-He believes He is the true God and eternal life, just like the Father is..

can you see how silly your explanation is? Jesus himself has told you that the father is the only true god!

You need to ask yourself dolphinheart do you separate your Father, and separate yourself from your Mother" Or are you still connected with your fathers Seed, and your seed, and your Mothers seed?

is my father his seed? no
I'm my father's seed, does it mean I'm my father? no
me and my brothers and sisters are from the same seed? am I my brother and sister? no
brocab, that I'm connected to my father and mother and siblings, does not mean I'm same person with any or all of them!.
Jesus is a separate person from the most high!

Have you ever heard that when two people marry they become one person.{Mark 10:7-8} FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE UNITED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO WILL BECOME ONE FLESH, SO THEY ARE NO-LONGER TWO BUT ONE FLESH.

YOU CAN LIE ! , the bolded above , where did you see it in the verse you quoted?

So does this mean? The Father and His Son are in a marriage type relationship becoming One person.

no wonder you had to lie about marriage becoming one person, you wanted to use to support the second lie!, where did you read it that the son and father become one person !? brocab, stop creating false statements!

your statement "becoming one person exposes you further, pls tell us, are they two separate persons before becoming one person?

So when the Father see's His Son, He can only see Him in the Likeness of Himself. So it's like looking into a mirror reflecting of each other, that they cannot be separable, even if they could, they can't. So if you believe the Mormons description-then you must believe Jesus and God are one the same.

so when the son sees the father, he sees a mirror reflection of himself too abi? continue!

PLS NOTICE THAT HE HAS STILL REFUSED TO QUOTE AND RESPOND TO CERTAIN SCRIPTURES CUS THEY WILL NOT SUPPORT HIS FALSE, MAN MADE DERIVED, INDIRECT IDEALOGIES!

Now let me ask you , can you explain this scripture ?
Da 7:13“I kept watching in the visions of the night, and look! with the clouds of the heavens, someone like a son of man was coming; and he gained access to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him up close before that One.

brocab:
It is you who is not understanding the scripture-where about's in this scripture is Jesus separated from His Father?

the person of jesus is different from the person of the father! , here are just 3 of them

mark 13:32 “Concerning that day or the hour nobody knows, neither the angels in heaven nor the Son, but the Father.

Joh 14:28You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am.

Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”

The Father and the Son is the true God and eternal life.

that's not what jesus told you,
jesus told you that the only true god is the father!

They were never separated-they could never do anything on their own accord,

thats not what the scriptures tell us.

without each other. So explain Who was the Lord in the Old Testament, and who was the Lord Jesus in the New Testament.
Explain in the beginning God said Let Us make man in our own image-who was God talking too? And who is Us? And Our own image?
Please explain.

you need to quote the verses you are referring to in the old and new testament first, then I will explain.
God was not talking to himself , at least that is certain. God was talking to his son, who he used in the creation works

Pr 8:30Then I was beside him as a master worker. I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time;

1Co 8:6there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

This is your problem, you believe Jesus can't be His Father-nor His Father to be a Spirit being over or in Jesus-you believe the Father and the Son are two separate people-If this is the case-where was the Father standing when Jesus had done all His miracles, Why weren't the Father walking with His Son on all accounts, and why didn't the Father come and talk directly with Jesus when Elijah and Moses had spoken to Him on the mount. Where was His Father then?

the father was in heaven!
Read :
matt 7:21
matt 10: 32
matt 10: 33
matt 12 :50
matt 16 :17
and a whole bunch of other scriptures
Joh 14:12Most truly I say to you, whoever exercises faith in me will also do the works that I do; and he will do works greater than these, because I am going my way to the Father

Mt 6:9“You must pray, then, this way: “‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified.

abeg, which elijah and moses came to speak to jesus, are you talking about the vision?

Please explain to us where was the Father when Jesus done all His works on Earth-The Mormon's believe God and Jesus are twins, So lets hear it from you, WHAT DO YOU SAY?
It seems you can only understand the natural things the world gives. And you can't understand the Spiritual things God gives.

I've used the scripture to tell you where the father is!

Now let me ask you , can you explain this scripture ?
Da 7:13“I kept watching in the visions of the night, and look! with the clouds of the heavens, someone like a son of man was coming; and he gained access to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him up close before that One.

You may also believe in your own self being, that most bibles has not the true text to the Word Of God, But the bibles don't preach that Jesus is the archangel Michael either, So please inform us viewers what part of the bible where it tells this story, And why add such rubbish to the scriptures when everyone knows God forbids such. The JW's had followed after the Seventh Day Adventist. Or did the Seventh Day Adventist follow after the JW's?

diversionary tactics again, lets clear the issues on ground first , notice you have deliberately and totally deviated from the issues at hand :

you refused as expected to respond to this:

let's see if you can answer these questions(I know you will not, but will give you a chance to prove me wrong)
King James Version
1Jo 5:20And we know that the (1)Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know (2)him that is true, and we are in (3)him that is true, (4)even in (5)his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

now brocab, pls tell us:
1. who is "the son of God" in (1) above, coloured red
2. who is the "him" in (2) above, coloured blue
3. who is the "him" in (3) above , coloured red
4. what do you understand by the underlined "even I his son" in (4)
5. who is the "his " in 5 above , coloured blue.

PLS NOTE IF HE WILL ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS.

* no need to quote the numerous scriptures you have refused to respond to , even if I quote them to you again, you cannot respond to them!

solite3:
please clarify your statement

PLUS PLS PLUS, SO LITE, I BEGGING YOU! DO NOT ADD TO MY WORDS WHEN QUOTING ME, DO NOT CHANGE MY WORDS WHEN QUOTING ME!.

you guys(though I still feel I talking to the same person using different monikers)have adopted the method of altering my words, pls stop it!
my words where : "Secondly is my statement "Idolatry includes the veneration, love, worship, adoration of an Idol sir, it's just not worship" wrong?"
these question YOU REFUSED TO ANSWER!, only for you to add to it and ask me to clarify it !
A false god is a god whose Godship is based on falsehood, there is no better way to clarify it!

is Jesus a true God or not

I've answered that question several times sir!

I do hope you agree with my statement and the underlined part ofor the scriptures I quoted, or do you have a contrary view?

" the true God is jehovah, the father, the source of all truth.
Joh 17:17Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word is truth

Joh 4:23 Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship THE FATHER with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him.

Ex 34:6Jehovah was passing before him and declaring: “Jehovah, Jehovah, a God merciful and compassionate, slow to anger and abundant in loyal love and truth,

Joh 17:3This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.

1Jo 5:20But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us insight so that we may gain the knowledge of the one who is true. And we are in union with the one who is true, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting.

I have used the scriptures to identify the true god for you , do you accept my identification?

[ thank God you now agree that angels are also called hosts of heaven howbeit the long time it took is unnecessary

could you show one instance where I disagreed? or said no?

you earlier said :
" what I meant was that I never told you that moon, the stars and the sun are not hosts of heaven but that angels and demons are called hosts of heaven
I asked you: "are you now saying that the earth and moons and stars are also called host of heaven?"
this question YOU REFUSED to answer!

If these heavenly objects are called host of heaven why do you now strive to differenciate them when the scriptures mentioned some of these heavenly object alongside host of heaven.
King James Version
De 4:19And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven,[u] and when thou seest [u]the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.

I've raised up some issues about this verse but you refused to respond
1.are the sun moon and stars in the heavens
2. are demons in the heavens
3. what had the Lord divided unto all the nation's under the whole heaven , the heavenly objects or the demons?

apostle Paul disagrees with you that people who worship objects are not necessarily worshipping demons
I cor 19&20
19. What say I then? That the idol is anything, or that which is offered to idols is is anything?
20. But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifices, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils. Any sacrifice not offered to God is offered to demons and worship of host of heaven is equal to worshipping demons.

first you should have told us the chapter , abi you no want make we read am ourselves?
Did you see Pauls answer to his question ? I'll read the question and answer out from some translations

[b]NIV
Do I mean then that food sacrificed to an idol is anything, or that an idol is anything? NO

New Living Translation
What am I trying to say? Am I saying that food offered to idols has some significance, or that idols are real gods? no

English Standard Version
What do I imply then? That food offered to idols is anything, or that an idol is anything? no

Berean Study Bible
Am I suggesting, then, that food sacrificed to an idol is anything, or that an idol is anything? no

New American Standard Bible
What do I mean then? That a thing sacrificed to idols is anything, or that an idol is anything? no

Holman Christian Standard Bible
What am I saying then? That food offered to idols is anything, or that an idol is anything? no

NET Bible
Am I saying that idols or food sacrificed to them amount to anything? no

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
What therefore do I say? Is an idol anything, or is the sacrifice of an idol anything? No!

New American Standard 1977
What do I mean then? That a thing sacrificed to idols is anything, or that an idol is anything? no

Weymouth New Testament
Do I mean that a thing sacrificed to an idol is what it claims to be, or that an idol is a real thing? no

Young's Literal Translation
what then do I say? that an idol is anything? or that a sacrifice offered to an idol is anything, no[/b]

Paul now said something about sacrifice, which you are quick to shift to worship.
If I make a picture or carved an image of something and decided to call it my god, it does not necessarily mean that that image represents a particular demon!

at bold what do you mean @ coloured green. Paul said all idol worship is demon worship not most.@ coloured purple really? Not all idolatry is demon influenced? May God av mercy on you[/b]

@ green, I said most idols are demon influenced either at the point of its creation or later!, I can worship an image now, thinking the image is my god, with no reference to any demon. my action is based on my knowledge , though limited.
pls show where paul said " all idol worship is demon worship".
@ purple, yes, some might be to your own wrong understanding of who to worship, or who you worship. Note too that not all objects used in worship is idolatry.

you can go and check your previous posts

you have proven me to be right again
whenever you are asked to show evidence when you accuse me of saying something, you are always found wanting, unable to provide such evidence.

there is a reason why for example Paul mentioned man before woman. In the bible, there is order God and Christ, man and woman, heaven and earth.

in both "god and Jesus", and "man and woman", the order is explained!
do not ascribe such order to heaven and earth when you where not given such explanation.
The scripture say "Paul and barnabas" several times, will you then conclude that Paul came before barnabas? do not conclude when you are not giving details.

you now turn to science for explanation. Do you think science agrees that things that exists were created from nothing?

did I say you should turn to science for explanation ? no , I said you should look at scientific statement about the universe, which ones? The ones that are proven with facts , the ones that talk about the relationship between the moon, the earth and sun and stars and other planets! do you think one will be fully created before the other?

which principle? Look at it this way if man was not created first the bible could have said woman and man

let's not deal in probability, the scriptures told us in detail who came first!

I refuse to use my logic to rearrange the bible. Read your bible very well, wat day were the sun moon or stars created?
14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

Look at the statement again, if you take it the way it is, it means god created the earth before creating the stars right?
Then this order (created by you is wrong)
King James Version
Re 10:6And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

SO SOLITE, DONT CREATED AN ORDER WHERE YOU ARE NOT TOLD TO DO SO!

Secondly , concerning the sun and moon, pls tell us what the scriptures said happened on the first day!

I want to also believe you don't know demons are*(where) also angels

a simple question was asked , you refused to answer : the isrealites worshipped All THE HOSTS of heaven, did they worship angels?.

[ you can't deny the fact that humans will also bear the title morning star. Can you?

HOPE EVERYONE CAN SEE THAT HE COULD NOT REPLY TO THE PART WHERE I SHOWED HIM THAT HE LIED, I ONLY DID NOT SAY IT, I SHOWED IT WITH FACTS THAT EVERYONE CAN CROSS CHECK. WHAT DID SOLITE3 DO WHEN CONFRONTED WITH SUCH FACTS? HE CHOOSED TO CUT OFF, OMITT, REMOVE, REFUSED TO RESPOND TO SUCH FACTS.

He refused to respond to this too!

1. you deliberately ommited this one , you sad: "is it the father that came to this earth."
I replied:
no, but someone has said Jesus is the father, do you know who said so? I bet you know, but you can't fit mention!
2. well everyone can see you could not respond or explain the scriptures quoted to to the scriptures, I'll just point it to you again:
Joh 17:26 you where afraid to quote and explain these verse, expecially the underlined
solite3, if you are a truth full person, pls explain the verse above!
you could also not respond to this :
did it say god exalted himself,? no!
did it say Jesus exalted himself ? no !
Did that verse imply that that the one who was exalted is same as one doing the exalting? no!
therefore , "God ", reffered to In those verses is not Jesus.!
Isa 52:13 Look! My servant will act with insight. He will be raised up high, He will be elevated and greatly exalted
Ac 2:32, 33
you are a bad person solite3, for this what God wanted with his name :
1Ki 8:60
Eze 36:23
Eze 39:7

zodiakzax:
@ dolphinheart it is clear you said God is a two headed god, why do you deny it? Were you not the same person who wrote that? Or are we to assume dolphinheart is more than one person? You deny one thing which evidently you wrote. Or do we assume you don't really know what you are writing? Shame on you (both).

did I say God is a two headed God ? no
see his quote of my post again and see who I called a two person God!
pls if you are sincere, why don't you ask him to post the full text of my posts on these thread, the explanation and reason why I said those words are there why are you all afraid to post the full text of that post!
Secondly, you did not respond to my last post to you !, pls go back there and let's see your response .

The shame is on you who could not see the difference in the accusation and what I really wrote.
The bigger shame is on you who could not insist he post post the full text where my explanation is ! he is desperately tryING to give his own explanation to my words , but refuse go post my own explanation of my words! and you support that !

johnw74:
Lie Lie dolphinheart, I have never gone away from my true accusation that you called god a two headed God, not once, but you cannot help but lie in every post.


copied and pasted from false dolphinheart's post concerning God and the Word (bold is mine for emphasis)

look ! he has only been able to cut my post to the place where I said " your God is two persons in one, a two headed God!.
notice: he could not post the full text of the post cus it explains those words. He could not post my full posts in that thread cus he could not refute or respond to the scriptures posted there, hence he prefers to cut my post off, refusing to post it in full.

pls everyone , are these two sentences the same

1. you called god a two headed God,(this is his accusation)

2. " your God is two persons in one, a two headed God!."

the answer is No!
therefore johnw74, stop laying false accusation by twisting words, leave the words as they are!

The post, in which he had cut words off and other posts in that thread contain explanations as to the reason and meaning of those words above. He does not want you to see the full text, hence he will not post it!
Secondly , you will notice that he has refused to post his response to my explanation, he claimed he responded to my explanation but the post is nowhere to be found!

johnw74:
false jw dolphinheart repeats the same lies and confusion over and over again even though his lies have been adressed more than once.

Jehovah's Witnesses and Mental Health

In 1949 Dr. Pescor found that 8% of his
total examples of jw's were classified as
psychotic. This meams the level of
psychosis among witnesses is about 40
times higher than the rate for the popu-
lation as a whole.

read it here:

on jw mental health:
http://www.jwfacts.com/pdf/jws-mental-illness-john-stedman.pdf#page=1&zoom=auto

1, have you been able to post the full text of my post ? no!
2. have you been able to post the post where you responded to my explanation ? no

brocab:
But the Scripture still says ESV Bible {1 John 5:20} And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true; in His Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and everlasting life.
The KJ says this is the true God and eternal life.
NIV says He is the true God and eternal life.
NKJV say's this is the true God and eternal life.

1.)) I'm I contradicting what the scripture said ? no , I'm only explaining the scriptures to you. You have posted those scriptures , yet you refuse to explain it in its entirety
let's see if you can answer these questions(I know you will not, but will give you a chance to prove me wrong)
King James Version
1Jo 5:20And we know that the (1)Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know (2)him that is true, and we are in (3)him that is true, (4)even in (5)his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

now brocab, pls tell us:
1. who is "the son of God" in (1) above, coloured red
2. who is the "him" in (2) above, coloured blue
3. who is the "him" in (3) above , coloured red
4. what do you understand by the underlined "even I his son" in (4)
5. who is the "his " in 5 above , coloured blue.

PLS NOTE IF HE WILL ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS.

2.)) there where verses quoted to you from 1 John chapter 5, you where asked to give your explanations or views on them, but you refused to :

King James Version
1Jo 5:9If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

King James Version
1Jo 5:11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

King James Version
1Jo 5:20And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
no wonder you could not quote it from the KJV.

3.)) you where not able to respond to the views of scholars on the grammar:

[b]1. Many Trinitarians (including brocab)claim that the final sentence in the verse, “This is the true God,” refers to Jesus Christ, since the closest noun to “This” is “Jesus Christ.” However, since God and Jesus are both referred to in the first sentence of the verse, the final sentence can refer to either one of them. The word “this,” which begins the last sentence, is houtos, and a study of it will show that the context, not the closest noun or pronoun, must determine to whom “this” is referring. The Bible provides examples of this, and a good one is in Acts 7:18 and 19 ( KJV ):
“Till another king arose, which knew not Joseph. The same ( houtos) dealt subtilly with our kindred…, and evil entreated our fathers, so that they cast out their young children, to the end they might not live.” It is clear from this example that “the same” ( houtos ) cannot refer to Joseph, even though Joseph is the closest noun. It refers to the other king earlier in the verse, even though that evil king is not the closest noun.

If it were true that pronouns always referred to the closest noun, serious theological problems would result. An example is Acts 4:10 and 11:
“Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This [houtos ] is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner” ( KJV ). If “This” in the last sentence refers to the closest noun or pronoun, then the man who was healed is actually the stone rejected by the builders that has become the head of the corner, i.e., the Christ. Of course, that is not true.

An even more troublesome example for those not recognizing that the context, not noun and pronoun placement, is the most vital key in determining proper meaning, is 2 John 1:7: “For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist” ( KJV) . The structure of this verse closely parallels the structure of the verse we are studying. If one insists that the final phrase of 1 John 5:20 refers to Jesus because he is the closest associated noun, then that same person is going to be forced by his own logic to insist that Jesus Christ is a deceiver and an antichrist, which of course is absurd. Thus we conclude that, although the last phrase of 1 John 5:20 may refer to Jesus Christ, it can just as easily refer to God, who appears in the phrase “Son of God” and, via the possessive pronoun “his,” in the phrase “ his Son Jesus.” To which of the two it refers must be determined from studying the words in the verse and the remoter context.

And many authoritative scholars do not accept this Trinitarian view. Cambridge University scholar B. F. Westcott wrote: “The most natural reference [of the pronoun houʹtos ] is to the subject not locally nearest but dominant in the mind of the apostle.” Thus, the apostle John had in mind Jesus’ Father.

German theologian Erich Haupt wrote: “It has to be determined whether the [ houʹtos ] of the next proposition refers to the locally and immediately preceding subject . . . or to the more distant antecedent God. . . . A testimony to the one true God seems more in harmony with the final warning against idols than a demonstration of the divinity of Christ.”
[/b]

Neither could you respond to the explanations on the context:

[b]2. Once it is clear that the last sentence in the verse can refer to either Jesus or God, it must be determined which of the two it is describing. The context and remoter context will determine to whom the phrase “true God” applies.
The result of that examination is that the phrase “true God” is used four times in the Bible beside here: 2 Chronicles 15:3; Jeremiah 10:10; John 17:3 and 1 Thessalonians 1:9. In all four of these places, the “true God” refers to the Father and not the Son.

Especially relevant is John 17:3, which is Jesus’ prayer to God. In that prayer, Jesus calls God “the only true God.” These examples are made more powerful by the consideration that 1 John is a late epistle, and thus the readers of the Bible were already used to God being called the “true God.” Add to that the fact that John is the writer of both the Gospel of John and the Epistles of John, and he would be likely to use the phrase the same way. Thus, there is every reason to believe that the “true God” of 1 John 5:20 is the heavenly Father, and there is no precedent for believing that it refers to the Son.

3. From studying the immediate context, we learn that this very verse mentions “him that is true” two times, and both times it refers to the Father. Since the verse twice refers to the Father as “the one who is true,” that is a strong argument that “the true God” in the last part of the verse is the same being.

4. Not all Trinitarians believe that the last sentence in the verse refers to the Son. A study of commentators on the verse will show that a considerable number of Trinitarian scholars say that this phrase refers to the Father. Norton and Farley each give a list of suchscholars. In his commentary on 1 John, Lenski writes that although the official explanation of the Church is to make the sentence refer to the Son:

This exegesis of the church is now called a mistake by a number of commentators who believe in the full deity of Jesus as it is revealed in Scripture but feel convinced that this houtos clause speaks of the Father and not of His Son.[/b]

4.)) you vehemently refuse to see and ex ermine the scriptures quoted to you, which give further explanation on who the true god really is :

[b]King James Version
Joh 17:3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

Isa 42:8I am Jehovah. That is my name; I give my glory to no one else, Nor my praise to graven images.

Ps 31:5 Into your hand I entrust my spirit. You have redeemed me, O Jehovah, the God of truth.

Lu 23:46 And Jesus called out with a loud voice and said: “Father, into your hands I entrust my spirit.” After he said this, he expired.

Ex 34:6Jehovah was passing before him and declaring: “Jehovah, Jehovah, a God merciful and compassionate, slow to anger and abundant in loyal love and truth,

Tit 1:1,2Paul, a slave of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ according to the faith of God’s chosen ones and the accurate knowledge of the truth that is according to godly devotion
2and is based on a hope of the everlasting life that God, who cannot lie, promised long ago;

Nu 23:19God is not a mere man who tells lies, Nor a son of man who changes his mind. When he says something, will he not do it? When he speaks, will he not carry it out?

King James Version
Joh 17:17Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.(jesus' own words)

King James Version
Joh 7:16Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.(jesus' own words)

ps 36:9 With you is the source of life;
By your light we can see light.

King James Version
Ro 6:23For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
1Jo 2:1, 2My little children, I am writing you these things so that you may not commit a sin. And yet, if anyone does commit a sin, we have a helper with the Father, Jesus Christ, a righteous one.2And he is a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins, yet not for ours only but also for the whole world’s.

Joh 5:26For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted also to the Son to have life in himself.
Joh 1:4by means of him was life, and the life was the light of men.

Significantly, the apostle Paul said that God is “the rewarder of those earnestly seeking him.” - Heb 11:6

God rewarded his Son by raising him from the dead, and the Father will give the reward of everlasting life to those who serve Him with all their heart.
King James Version
Ac 26:23That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.
King James Version
2Co 1:9But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead:[/b]

Hence, what conclusion should we come to? That Jehovah, and no one else, is “the true God and life everlasting.” He alone is worthy to receive exclusive worship from those whom he created.— rev 4:11

And how do we receive this eternal life, through Jesus and Jesus only can give us such a gift. {Romans 6:23, John 11:25}
And when does eternal life start, as soon as anyone have faith in Christ {John 3:36, John 5:24 John 6:47}
{ John 17:3} is an important message in this re-guard, as Jesus prays, Now this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent, here Jesus equates "eternal life" and with a knowledge of God and of the Son, Their is no knowledge of God without the Son. {This is where you JW's make that large mistake every time you separate God from the Son}

you yourself has separated the person of Jesus from the person of God, Jesus has told us who the true god is, he said he is the father!. Jesus is not the father, they are different persons!
Read the verse again , it says" this means evaluating life, their gaining knowledge of you , THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and of the one who the true god SENT to earth, Jesus Christ.
This is in harmony with other parts of the scriptures :

[b]Lu 10:25-28Now look! a man versed in the Law stood up to test him and said: “Teacher, what do I need to do to inherit everlasting life?”26He said to him: “What is written in the Law? How do you read?”27In answer he said: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole strength and with your whole mind’ and ‘your neighbor as yourself.’”28He said to him: “You answered correctly; keep doing this and you will get life.”

1Jo 4:9,10 By this the love of God was revealed in our case, that God sent his only-begotten Son into the world so that we might gain life through him.
10The love is in this respect, not that we have loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins.

Joh 3:16“ For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.

Ro 5:8But God recommends his own love to us in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Ro 8:32Since he did not even spare his own Son but handed him over for us all, will he not also, along with him, kindly give us all other things?

1Jo 5:11[u]And this is the witness, that God gave us everlasting life, and this life is in his Son.[/u][/b]

brocab, hope you read the verses above, that God give evaluating life through his son does not mean God is his son. The son is able to give evalasting life cus the father granted him authority to do so!.

Joh 5:26For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted also to the Son to have life in himself.

Brocab, read the scriptures and understand whO Christ is, and who god is :

Joh 5:20For the Father has affection for the Son and shows him all the things he himself does, and he will show him works greater than these, so that you may marvel.

Joh 5:30I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me.

Joh 5:37[u]And the Father who sent me[/u] has himself borne witness about me. You have neither heard his voice at any time nor seen his form,

Jehovah sent Jesus, he told Jesus what he is to tell mankind, pls listen to Jesus words brocab, and do not twist it to indirectly formulate your own theory :

De 18:15Jehovah your God will raise up for you from among your brothers a prophet like me. You must listen to him.

De 18:18I will raise up for them from the midst of their brothers a prophet like you, and I will put my words in his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him.

[b]Joh 17:8because I have given them the sayings that you gave me, and they have accepted them and have certainly come to know that I came as your representative, and they have believed that you sent me.

do not read only verse 8 alone, pls read the whole chapter of John 17. you will realise where the knowledge Jesus passed to his disciples came from.

And of course this is why you can't get your heads around about them both, they are not separated they are One. God couldn't do anything without His Son, nor the Son could do anything without the Father.

I have shown you why Jesus does not do anything without the father , he is loyal, always seeking to do the fathers will.
They are one, yes, one in unity and purpose, not one person!, same oneness a husband and wife are expected to have, same oneNess Christians are expected to have.

Joh 14:28You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am.

Mt 24:36“Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.

1Co 15:28But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.

It doesn't take rocket science to work this out-every scripture that talks about His Father is talking about Him too.

falzzzz

No One is saved without the Christ-no one can go to the Father without Christ.
You JW's always try to separate Christ from His Father, if you believe the only way into heaven is separating Jesus from His Father-good luck with that.

don't get it twisted brocab, Jesus is the way to the father, Jesus is not the father!, you can get to the father through Jesus .
that the father sent Jesus does not mean the father is Jesus!

brocab:
How far back do you want it? Documentation dating back the first dynasty in Egypt between 3000 and 2800 B.C. Show evidence that Pharaohs appeared before the people to collect taxes. Back then some People were charged up to 60% in Taxes of His yearly harvest.
Tithes were also handled the same as Taxes both with a percentage, tithes were given around the 23% yearly plan.

be serious brocab and stop the dubious attitude, we are talking about taxes payed by the isrealites, taxes that became their custom!
plus show how taxes in the mosaic law had percentages! you are now giving evidences on tax payed by nations who did not serve jehovah.

Secondly, did the Egyptians also tithe too? Or who are you referring to when you said "tithes where given around the 23% yearly plan".

I believe It was Rome who had switched the Taxes from harvesting to the cash flow-so you see taxes had a percentage back in 3000 B.C. And Taxes haven't changed since. Everyone pays a percentage.

sir, do you even know what you are saying? Rome in 3000 B.C?
now did Rome change it only for itself or for the isrealites too in 3000 B.C?
I do not know why you prefer to lie and be dubious to achieve your aim, but Iwill not follow you into such, all I'm asking if for you to show how taxes are collected in percentages from the isrealites using their laws!

And it doesn't matter how many times I have explain to you about the Sabbath day-or about Tithes and Taxes-you still haven't a clue what the hell is going on.

you have not explained a thing!
simple questions where asked and you could not respond!
look again at the questions you could not answer
1. as Christian ,what day did the scriptures tell you to worship?
2. did the scriptures tell you to worship only once in a week?
3. how did you arrive at sabbath sarturday, is the sabbath on sarturday?

you maDe this statement:

..It was a law to tithe a food type, but the law wasn't for all people to tithe. different tribes had different rules, Jesus didn't tithe, nor was He fussed about the Temple Taxes. {Matthew 17} [/b]

I asked you questions you have refused to respond to :
therefore, in essence, Jesus broke the mosaic law before fulfilling it!
plso show where the law was not for all people to tithe, (note the word tithe)?
you have now totally deviated from using the scriptures as a guide for your views.
plus quote the Law as regard to thithe's . inclusive of the one to tithe a food type!

YOu also stated this :

With all the Mosaic laws that was given back then, some Laws are still used today-while others are not.

I asked you to supply info on that statement but you refused:
also quote some of those laws, who uses them today and state why they use them. Also state why they do not use others!

brocab, you like stating things that are not true, and when it's scrutinised, you try to run away fro it.

Try studying up yourself-and maybe you too will find the answers.
The problem with you dolphinheart is you are to busy calling us lairs, when all you need to do is look in your own mirror.

I don't call "us" liar, I called you or anyone who lies a liar. I do not do it abitrarily, I supply proof, and when I do , you run away from the issue!

You write things that doesn't add up-and when someone fronts you on that issue, you lie through your own teeth that hard-everyone can see you doing it. And still you deny it.

PLS SHOW US JUST ONE OF THOSE ISSUES AND SHOW US HOW I LIED THROUGH MY TEETH AND DENIED IT!, PLS JUST GIVE ONE EXAMPLE OK!
If you refuse to do so, it will be confirmed you are a liar!

Rutherford was taking money of the people the same as the prosperity preachers do when retrieving tithes in the Church-and Rutherford used this same method through the recession-still collecting the cash flow while thousands of the JW's had nothing and many did staved to death, where was Rutherford then, "of course no-where to be found.
How about the so called false prophesies, 1914 1925 etc..JW's would sell of their properties, many farmers didn't plant chops because of your false organisation, again families died through these hard and tough times-this is why the world calls you a cult.

you say Rutherford did this , did that, and you could not furnish us with proof, your statements will remain what it is , just mere statements!
anything can come out of your mouth!

These same lies have spread through each of you-lying on top of lying, and still you believe your lies.
But it is still good you still believe in {1 John 5:20} This will take time before you start realising, the pages you have written so far are senseless, and one day the Lord will show you the truth about Him. Amen...

go and read 1 John 5 again, I've posted some verses for you to explain your views on it. I've shown you twice , using the scriptures as guide, that if we apply your grammatical rule to the scriptures, it will contradict the scriptures. I've also shown you using the scriptures, the source of life. I've finally showed you who Jesus called the true god , some translations say only that God is the true god !

again you did not respond to this issues :
this are the points I made which you refused to respond to
1. hope the info will include how you came about sabbath sartu r day, and how Christians are to worship on sabbath sartuday!

2. as a Christian, what day did the scriptures tell you to worship !

3. pls, include birthday to this pagan influenced doctrine o!

4. you have once again failed to quote and explain this scriptures :
Joh 17:3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
1Jo 5:20But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us insight so that we may gain the knowledge of the one who is true. And we are in union with the one who is true, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting
1Co 1:3May you have undeserved kindness and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1Co 8:5For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,”
1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”
brocab, my god is not unknown, he is the god of Jesus, the father, the almighty God, Jehovah

5. false accusation, PLS provide just one example where I've changed your page

6. and yet up till now , you have not been able to show how taxes back then have percentage added to them.(Note it's taxes payed by the isrealites.

7. Abraham payed customs and tithe?, you seem to create words out of knowhere, the words" custom and tithe", are you referring to one thing or two different things?

8. The tithe system as giving in the mosaic law, IS IT DAMAGING?,If not, then you are a liar!

johnw74:
1. Lie Lie dolphinheart, you know I gave a link to it, brocab saw it and everyone else too, false jw dolphinheart cannot do anything other than lie.

you could quote part of the post, but you could not quote all,why? cus quoting all will expose you.
I've asked you to quote the full text, that you could not do!, if you want to post a link , pls point to the post you are referring to . the date and time and page, I've given you several examples of how that can be done. do so , so that everyone can go there and read my post!

2. Lie Lie dolphinheart, my post is following yours, go take a look, but you already know that, false jw dolphinheart just cannot help but lie.

and yet you could not post where you responded to my explanation!, why is it hard for you to do !

I don't care about the rest of your post, I'm only interested in the part where you said god is a two headed god.
If you want to repost your post and my post that answers yours then do it, why you keep asking me, pretending like they don't exist?

you can see for yourself, that you don't care about the rest of my poSt is probably why you do not understand the post.
but I don't believe you, cus you have refused to post the full text , which shows you understand it , but you are trying to hide it's salient points.
why should I give you proof of your allegations, if you feel your allegations are true, pls provide proof by quoting those posts of the two issues at hand !

false jw dolphinheart has now started page 100, of his preaching false jw lies, and also more lying and denying of what he knows he said
100 pages and no converts, but instead false jw's have shown many by their lies and false accusations etc, that they are indeed not God's people they do a great job here at Nairaland Forums, pity they don't go door to door like that, but that's the wolves in sheep clothing disguise.

haha, convert on Nairaland? jehovahs witnesses don't accept that kind of conversion.
did I deny what I said ? no! , I'm just asking you to post the full text of what I said , so that everyone can see!

You certainly did say God is a two headed god, just because you don't believe God and the Word is God doesn't alter that fact that you said it. And the Bible say's that God and the Word is God, and you can't wriggle out of that and twist things all around like you keep trying to do.
Go have a look at it again, you know where it is, here it is from me again:

Lie Lie dolphinheart said concerning God and the Word:


^^^
and that's a copy and paste from Lie Lie dolphinheart's post, isn't it false jw dolphinheart
(bolding mine for emphasis)



see more lies from the sect that is called jehovahs' witnesses at these sites:

http://jwfacts.com/

https://carm.org/jehovahs-witnesses

http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/jehovahs-witnesses-answered.htm

you have reverted back to your first false accusation again , pls provide us with the full text of the post where I said " God is a two headed god "
secondly pls provide us with the post where you responded to my explanation .

BROCAB, PLS DO NOT CUT PART OF MY POST OFF!

here is my post again:

brocab:
No-one is refusing anything-the problem is you don't understand the scriptures.
Their are two types of payments, that had a percentage %. The Custom tithes and the Taxes-the Taxes worked back then, the same as today.

custom tithes?
Sir, there are different payments not two types of payment.

In some countries they have what they call a GST Tax. This Tax is everything we buy, we are Taxed on. From the day you are born to the day you die, we are Taxed, on our living, you are Taxed, when we die-someone pays the burial Taxes.
Tithing was given in merchandise, shocks crops etc..It was a law to tithe a food type, but the law wasn't for all people to tithe. different tribes had different rules, Jesus didn't tithe, nor was He fussed about the Temple Taxes. {Matthew 17}[/b]

therefore, in essence, jesus broke the mosaic law before fulfilling it!
plso show where the law was not for all people to tithe, (note the word tithe)?
you have now totally deviated from using the scriptures as a guide for your views.
plus quote the Law as regard to thithe's . inclysive of the one to tithe a food type!

With all the Mosaic laws that was given back then, some Laws are still used today-while others are not.

plso quote some of those laws, who uses them today and state why they use them. Also state why they do not use others!

Taxes of the land are still paid today.
But the law on tithing doesn't stand today. Not even the Jews today pay tithes-This Mosaic law was kept only by greedy non Christian people who knew they could used this old law-to retrieve a cash flow from God's people, either in tithes, or lets say the Catholic's believe in a purgatory system, or maybe your way of collecting, the Watchtower tells each Church to put monies into the collectors box-to help support the ministries and disasters that may happen in the future. Each Church find ways to support their own cash flow.

those paying taxes today , do they pay tax according to the mosaic law?no
those you say pay thithe today, do they do so according to the mosaic law?(I leave the answer to you and to those who pay tithe)
does the watchtower collect tithe? no
is the watchtower wrong with their method of monetary contributions?no

Each Church has greedy preachers, who live the high life, while the poor still lives in low life.

each church? definitely not with jehovahs witnesses!

This is very un-biblical. God didn't design us to live poorly, nor did He want us helping someone else to be on the get rich plan each week, buying fancy car's, large mansions, building mega Churches for mega crowds-aeroplanes etc.., Living the high life while the poor are living the low life, {Rutherford had it all, travelling the world, didn't he? While everyone staved through the recession}

Rutherford had all what?.
imagine how you view things, does travelling mean you have it all? There are millions of people who travel the world ? but they are not rich.
Their are millions of people who travel the world, but how you travel the world and for which purpose says a lot sir!
you mentioned recession, but you had to lie that everyone staved!, and you are trying to say one should not travel cus there is recession.

Our own needs are important too, and when a Church keeps on putting the presser on about how much the martial's cost, or they need monies for some sort of support, then do what the Lord said to do in {1 Timothy 6:5} Men of corrupt minds destitute of the truth, who suppose the godliness is the means of Gain. From such withdraw yourselves.
He want's us all the live the way He designed us the live equally. Let our Children enjoy life-let us all enjoy the life God wanted us to live.
Churches will survive just on given, and sharing with each other. If the Churches were living up to the Lord-their wouldn't be staving people around the world, not even in Africa.

RCCG, WINNERS CHAPEL , MFM and members of other churches, pls take note.

brocab, you have refused to show us the law that you believed was changed. you have refused to tell us who the law is for!, you gave vehemently refused to tell us how you came about Sabbath Saturday. You asked a faulty question, based on parameters that do not exist! and you have still refused to explain them .

again you did not respond to this issues :
this are the points I made which you refused to respond to
1. hope the info will include how you came about sabbath sartu r day, and how Christians are to worship on sabbath sartuday!
2. as a Christian, what day did the scriptures tell you to worship !
3. pls, include birthday to this pagan influenced doctrine o!
4. you have once again failed to quote and explain this scriptures :
Joh 17:3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
1Jo 5:20But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us insight so that we may gain the knowledge of the one who is true. And we are in union with the one who is true, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting
1Co 1:3May you have undeserved kindness and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1Co 8:5For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,”
1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”
brocab, my god is not unknown, he is the god of Jesus, the father, the almighty God, Jehovah

NOW LET'S LOOK AT WHAT YOU POSTED

brocab:
If you weren't to busy adding to my pages then we could exchange information that concerns the Taxes and the Tithes.
But you, sort changing my pages, it seems you may have all your answers already answered for you.

false accusation, PLS provide just one example where I've changed you page.

Why then, are you wasting your time asking me?
And of course they have different payments-Taxes have a cash flow while the Tithes were suppose to be a food product, Back then...But the Pharisees had changed that idea-they would visit Jezebel women of the dark at night. I keep on telling you, the similarities between them, they both have the percentages added to them. And of course they have both been abused.

and yet up till now , you have not been able to show how taxes back then have percentage added to them.

{Genies 14} Abraham only paid Customs and Tithes to Melchizedek, because it was a Custom in that country-But Abraham paid-with goods that didn't belong to him.

Abraham payed customs and tithe?, you seem to create words out of knowhere, the words" custom and tithe", are you referring to one thing or two different things?

{Numbers 18:20-21} Then the Lord said to Aaron: "You shall have no inheritance in their land, Nor shall you have any portion among them; I Am you portion and your inheritance among the Children of Israel.
"Behold I have given the Children of Levi all the Tithes, in Israel as a inheritance in return for the work which they preform, the work of the Tabernacle of meeting.
Bring all your Tithes into the Storehouse, so maybe My people will be fed {Malachi 3:10}
This amazes me dolphinheart how one like yourself find it difficult to find anything? Have you not heard-let your fingers to do the walking, Have you ever looked into a phone book? Well the bible has similarities-both books have the information we need.

difficult to find anything? is that your excuse of not being able to show how taxes had a percentage?

Tithing was the most damaging system ever made

what a a a a at!!!
The tithe system as giving in the mosaic law, IS IT DAMAGING?,If not, then you are a liar!

{Matthew 23} really gives us a deep insight how the Pharisees abuse the Tithing system. Jesus had made a new covenant, And by looking into the evidence, I can understand why' Those who obey this old law today are cursed with a curse {Galatians 3:10} The Pharisees abused the Tithing system back then, and the Tithing system is abused the same way today-both Pharisees's in different time flames-abuse the Tithing system to destroy lives.

does the abuse of the law mean that the law itself was damaging? no!

you deliberately cut off my post so as not to respond to the issues there.

brocab:
Opp's did dolphinheart make a mistake once again-I am not interested in trying to read around your excuses, my only focus was on {1 John 5:20} and as clear as day, the scripture tells us who Christ is. By means of His Son Jesus Christ "This is" {Meaning Jesus Christ} is the true God and everlasting life. John didn't say "that is the true God" and everlasting life-John said "this is the true God"and everlasting life.

Is the above grammatical explanation true? no !

1. Many Trinitarians (including brocab)claim that the final sentence in the verse, “This is the true God,” refers to Jesus Christ, since the closest noun to “This” is “Jesus Christ.” However, since God and Jesus are both referred to in the first sentence of the verse, the final sentence can refer to either one of them. The word “this,” which begins the last sentence, is houtos, and a study of it will show that the context, not the closest noun or pronoun, must determine to whom “this” is referring. The Bible provides examples of this, and a good one is in Acts 7:18 and 19 ( KJV ):
“Till another king arose, which knew not Joseph. The same ( houtos) dealt subtilly with our kindred…, and evil entreated our fathers, so that they cast out their young children, to the end they might not live.” It is clear from this example that “the same” ( houtos ) cannot refer to Joseph, even though Joseph is the closest noun. It refers to the other king earlier in the verse, even though that evil king is not the closest noun.

If it were true that pronouns always referred to the closest noun, serious theological problems would result. An example is Acts 4:10 and 11:
“Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This [houtos ] is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner” ( KJV ). If “This” in the last sentence refers to the closest noun or pronoun, then the man who was healed is actually the stone rejected by the builders that has become the head of the corner, i.e., the Christ. Of course, that is not true.

An even more troublesome example for those not recognizing that the context, not noun and pronoun placement, is the most vital key in determining proper meaning, is 2 John 1:7: “For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist” ( KJV) . The structure of this verse closely parallels the structure of the verse we are studying. If one insists that the final phrase of 1 John 5:20 refers to Jesus because he is the closest associated noun, then that same person is going to be forced by his own logic to insist that Jesus Christ is a deceiver and an antichrist, which of course is absurd. Thus we conclude that, although the last phrase of 1 John 5:20 may refer to Jesus Christ, it can just as easily refer to God, who appears in the phrase “Son of God” and, via the possessive pronoun “his,” in the phrase “ his Son Jesus.” To which of the two it refers must be determined from studying the words in the verse and the remoter context.

BROCAB, CAN YOU SEE FROM THE ABOVE THAT YOUR EXPLANATION USING GRAMMAR CANNOT BE SUPPORTED BY THE SCRIPTURES. IF YOU USE YOUR EXPLANATION IN OTHER PLACES WHERE THE WORD " THIS " OCCURS , YOU WILL RUN INTO PROBLEMS!

2. Once it is clear that the last sentence in the verse can refer to either Jesus or God, it must be determined which of the two it is describing. The context and remoter context will determine to whom the phrase “true God” applies.
The result of that examination is that the phrase “true God” is used four times in the Bible beside here: 2 Chronicles 15:3; Jeremiah 10:10; John 17:3 and 1 Thessalonians 1:9. In all four of these places, the “true God” refers to the Father and not the Son.

Especially relevant is John 17:3, which is Jesus’ prayer to God. In that prayer, Jesus calls God “the only true God.” These examples are made more powerful by the consideration that 1 John is a late epistle, and thus the readers of the Bible were already used to God being called the “true God.” Add to that the fact that John is the writer of both the Gospel of John and the Epistles of John, and he would be likely to use the phrase the same way. Thus, there is every reason to believe that the “true God” of 1 John 5:20 is the heavenly Father, and there is no precedent for believing that it refers to the Son.

3. From studying the immediate context, we learn that this very verse mentions “him that is true” two times, and both times it refers to the Father. Since the verse twice refers to the Father as “the one who is true,” that is a strong argument that “the true God” in the last part of the verse is the same being.

4. Not all Trinitarians believe that the last sentence in the verse refers to the Son. A study of commentators on the verse will show that a considerable number of Trinitarian scholars say that this phrase refers to the Father. Norton and Farley each give a list of suchscholars. In his commentary on 1 John, Lenski writes that although the official explanation of the Church is to make the sentence refer to the Son:

This exegesis of the church is now called a mistake by a number of commentators who believe in the full deity of Jesus as it is revealed in Scripture but feel convinced that this houtos clause speaks of the Father and not of His Son.

JEHOVAH, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, is the true God. He is the Creator, the one giving eternal life to those who love him. Indeed, Jesus himself said: “This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.”— . joHn 17:3


concerning 1 john 5:20 , Believers in the Trinity doctrine hold that the demonstrative pronoun “this” ( houʹtos ) refers to its immediate antecedent, Jesus Christ. They assert that Jesus is “the true God and life everlasting.” This interpretation, however, is in conflict with the rest of the Scriptures.
And many authoritative scholars do not accept this Trinitarian view. Cambridge University scholar B. F. Westcott wrote: “The most natural reference [of the pronoun houʹtos ] is to the subject not locally nearest but dominant in the mind of the apostle.” Thus, the apostle John had in mind Jesus’ Father.

German theologian Erich Haupt wrote: “It has to be determined whether the [ houʹtos ] of the next proposition refers to the locally and immediately preceding subject . . . or to the more distant antecedent God. . . . A testimony to the one true God seems more in harmony with the final warning against idols than a demonstration of the divinity of Christ.”

Often houʹtos, generally translated “this” or “this one,” does not refer to the immediately preceding subject of a phrase. Other scriptures illustrate the point. At 2 john 2:7, the same apostle and penman of the first letter wrote: “Many deceivers have gone forth into the world, persons not confessing Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This [ houʹtosʹ ] is the deceiver and the antichrist.” Here the pronoun cannot refer to the closest antecedent—Jesus. Obviously, “this” refers to those who denied Jesus. They collectively are “the deceiver and the antichrist.”

In his Gospel, the apostle John wrote: “Andrew the brother of Simon Peter was one of the two that heard what John said and followed Jesus. First this one [houʹtos ] found his own brother, Simon.”( John 1:40, 41) It is evident that “this one” refers, not to the last person mentioned, but to Andrew. At 1 john 2:22 , the apostle uses the same pronoun in a similar way.

Luke makes similar use of the pronoun, as seen at acts 4:10, 11: “In the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene, whom you impaled but whom God raised up from the dead, by this one does this man stand here sound in front of you. This [houʹtosʹ ] is ‘the stone that was treated by you builders as of no account that has become the head of the corner.’” The pronoun “this” clearly does not refer to the man who was healed, though he is the one mentioned just before houʹtos. Certainly, “this” in Ac 4 verse 11 refers to Jesus Christ the Nazarene, who is the “cornerstone” on which the Christian congregation is founded.

Acts 7:18, 19 also illustrates the point: “There rose a different king over Egypt, who did not know of Joseph. This one [houʹtos ] used statecraft against our race.” “This one” who oppressed the Jews was, not Joseph, but Pharaoh, the king of Egypt.

Such passages confirm the observation made by Greek scholar Daniel Wallace, who says that for Greek demonstratives, “what might be the nearest antecedent contextually might not be the nearest antecedent in the author’s mind.”

AGAIN WE HAVE USED THE SCRIPTURES TO EXPLAIN GRAMMAR, NOW LET'S GO INTO THE CONTEXT.

“The True One”
As the apostle John wrote, “the true One” is Jehovah, the Father of Jesus Christ. He is the only true God, the Creator. The apostle Paul acknowledged: “There is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are.” ( 1 Corinthians 8:6; Isaiah 42:

Another reason that Jehovah is “the true one” referred to at 1 john 5:20 is that he is the Source of truth. The psalmist called Jehovah “the God of truth” because He is faithful in all He does and cannot lie.( psalm 31:5; Exodus 34:6; Titus 1:2)

Referring to his heavenly Father, the Son said: “Your word is truth.” And regarding his own teaching, Jesus stated: “What I teach is not mine, but belongs to him that sent me.”
John 7:16; 17:17
King James Version
Joh 17:17Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

King James Version
Joh 7:16Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

Jehovah is also “life everlasting.” He is the Source of life, the One giving it as an undeserved gift through Christ.

ps 36:9 With you is the source of life;
By your light we can see light.

King James Version
Ro 6:23For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

1Jo 2:1, 2My little children, I am writing you these things so that you may not commit a sin. And yet, if anyone does commit a sin, we have a helper with the Father, Jesus Christ, a righteous one.2And he is a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins, yet not for ours only but also for the whole world’s.

Significantly, the apostle Paul said that God is “the rewarder of those earnestly seeking him.” - Heb 11:6

God rewarded his Son by raising him from the dead, and the Father will give the reward of everlasting life to those who serve Him with all their heart.
King James Version
Ac 26:23That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.
King James Version
2Co 1:9But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead:

Hence, what conclusion should we come to? That Jehovah, and no one else, is “the true God and life everlasting.” He alone is worthy to receive exclusive worship from those whom he created.— rev 4:11

BROCAB, IVE GIVEN YOU A GRAMMARTICAL EXPLANATION, IVE ALSO GIVEN YOU A CONTEXTUAL EXPLANATION, AND IVE USED THE SCRIPTURES TO GUIDE YOU TO THE TRUE GOD. IF YOU WILL NOT LISTEN TO ME, LISTEN TO THE WORDS OF JESUS HIMSELF!
King James Version
Joh 17:3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

{1 john 1:2} This everlasting life was with the Father. So who is John talking about?

you do not read the scriptures brocab , cus if you do you would not have said this .
Joh 5:26For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted also to the Son to have life in himself.
Joh 1:4by means of him was life, and the life was the light of men.
read those scriptures above brocab and let's see if you can explain them!

It won't matter to me dolphinheart what you have written, it's already written. either you believe it or not.

yep, it is written , expecially words found in John 17:3 and pslams 36:9

Trying to deny it' because what other disbelievers had said this verse "could be" a mistake-won't change the scripture, and trying to break the scripture down won't support you at all, You had written this scripture down, because at the time dolphinheart you had believed it, this is the truth.

did I ever say the verse could be a mistake? no , brocab, don't bring your lies to this again.

Every true Christian knows the bible is Spiritual, and everything that comes from the bible is from God. Trying to work it out from your own minds won't give you any understanding about the bible.
{Jesus had already told His people how to gain this information, one must be born again before he/she could enter into the kingdom of God}
Their is no back door into heaven.
And because I had brought this subject up, you felt, by trying to break the scripture down comparing it with other scriptures, you may have a case against {1 John 5:20} Well dolphinheart all I can say is 'you are walking up the wrong path-this scripture say's it all, '1 John had explained it as it sounds, [s]In His Son-Jesus Christ-this is the true God and everlasting Life.[/s]

had to scratch that part off cus that not how the verse was written.
you could not even explain that verse in its entirety, and I've done so. The one who is true has a son, that alone should have given you insight on the one who is true !
sir, scripture explains scripture, compare what the scriptures say about "true god" , and you will know who he is!

And who is the one who gives the everlasting life {Jesus Christ} No-one comes to the Father accept through Him.
It shows God can speak through anybody-He even spoke through one of your ancestors a donkey-so nothing surprises me.
Trying to defend yourself in front of all your comrades, just shows you are either terrified that the rest will judge you, because you believed in {1 John 5:20} at the time. Maybe you are afraid your comrades will send you back to the bottom of the classroom, and you will have to be retrained once again, until you learn how to be a professional liar like the rest of the Watchtower believers are proven to be.
Don't try and fight against it dolphinheart-God had spoken through you, so the rest may fear, the Lord God is One. Stand straight and don't look back, you wrote this verse because you believed it.

you are very funny, but I wunt go there with you.
go and read John chapter 17.

{1 john 5:20} For we know the Son of God has come and Has given us understanding, so we may know Him who is true, and we are in Him who is True, in His Son Jesus Christ, this is the true God and everlasting life.

lemme quote it alongside some other verses of that chapted from the KJV
King James Version
1Jo 5:5Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

King James Version
1Jo 5:9If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

King James Version
1Jo 5:11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

King James Version
1Jo 5:20And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
no wonder you could not quote it from the KJV.

{1 John 1:2} "This everlasting Life was with the Father.
{John 14:6} I am the way and the truth and the life no-one comes to the Father accept through Me.
You should try and read it from the 1611 bible, it gives you a clear view how the scriptures should sound.

Whom Am I writing too? Everything I had written explaining to you between the Tithes and Taxes you are still having trouble to understand any of it?
Jesus didn't pay Tithes in His own country nor in someone else's country. Nor was He happy to pay Taxes, when He visited Capernaum.
Does this sentence tell you Taxes and Tithes are the same "No" So why do you keep on repeating I am telling you the Taxes and Tithes are the same meanings. Completely different' but they worked on the same principle, they both had a percentage added to them.

1. taxes and tithe are not the same
2. They both don't have percentages attached or added to them!
3. If Jesus had not payed the tithe, he would have broken the mosaic law!, he would not have been able to fulfill it.

again you did not respond to this issues :
this are the points I made which you refused to respond to
1. hope the info will include how you came about sabbath sartu r day, and how Christians are to worship on sabbath sartuday!
2. as a Christian, what day did the scriptures tell you to worship !
3. pls, include birthday to this pagan influenced doctrine o!
4. you have once again failed to quote and explain this scriptures :
Joh 17:3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
1Jo 5:20But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us insight so that we may gain the knowledge of the one who is true. And we are in union with the one who is true, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting
1Co 1:3May you have undeserved kindness and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1Co 8:5For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,”
1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”
brocab, my god is not unknown, he is the god of Jesus, the father, the almighty God, Jehovah!

johnw74:
Lie Lie dolphinheart

of course you said, god is a two headed god

God and the Word is God John 1:1

you false jw said concerning God and the word:


Lie Lie dolphinheart keeps repeating the same lies over and over again, to bro and sol as well,

you big fraud fella.

1.have you been able to post the full text of that post? no
2. have you been able to show us your post where you responded to my explanations no !

they will say anything else , but to show you this two things above, THEY WILL REFUSE!
they will keep on concerning my words with theirs, but they will have not post that post!
plus remember , up till now , he has not apologised for lying against me that I said " god is a two headed god" or did you not accuse me of saying such ?

brocab:
No-one is refusing anything-the problem is you don't understand the scriptures.
Their are two types of payments, that had a percentage %. The Custom tithes and the Taxes-the Taxes worked back then, the same as today.

custom tithes?
Sir, there are different payments not two types of payment.

In some countries they have what they call a GST Tax. This Tax is everything we buy, we are Taxed on. From the day you are born to the day you die, we are Taxed, on our living, you are Taxed, when we die-someone pays the burial Taxes.
Tithing was given in merchandise, shocks crops etc..It was a law to tithe a food type, but the law wasn't for all people to tithe. different tribes had different rules, Jesus didn't tithe, nor was He fussed about the Temple Taxes. {Matthew 17}[/b]
therefore, in essence, jesus broke the mosaic law before fulfilling it!
plso show where the law was not for all people to tithe, (note the word tithe)?
you have now totally deviated from using the scriptures as a guide for your views.
plus quote the Law as regard to thithe's . inclysive of the one to tithe a food type!

[quote]With all the Mosaic laws that was given back then, some Laws are still used today-while others are not.

plso quote some of those laws, who uses them today and state why they use them. Also state why they do not use others!

Taxes of the land are still paid today.
But the law on tithing doesn't stand today. Not even the Jews today pay tithes-This Mosaic law was kept only by greedy non Christian people who knew they could used this old law-to retrieve a cash flow from God's people, either in tithes, or lets say the Catholic's believe in a purgatory system, or maybe your way of collecting, the Watchtower tells each Church to put monies into the collectors box-to help support the ministries and disasters that may happen in the future. Each Church find ways to support their own cash flow.

those paying taxes today , do they pay tax according to the mosaic law?no
those you say pay thithe today, do they do so according to the mosaic law?(I leave the answer to you and to those who pay tithe)
does the watchtower collect tithe? no
is the watchtower wrong with their method of monetary contributions?no

Each Church has greedy preachers, who live the high life, while the poor still lives in low life.

each church? definitely not with jehovahs witnesses!

This is very un-biblical. God didn't design us to live poorly, nor did He want us helping someone else to be on the get rich plan each week, buying fancy car's, large mansions, building mega Churches for mega crowds-aeroplanes etc.., Living the high life while the poor are living the low life, {Rutherford had it all, travelling the world, didn't he? While everyone staved through the recession}

Rutherford had all what?.
imagine how you view things, does travelling mean you have it all? There are millions of people who travel the world ? but they are not rich.
Their are millions of people who travel the world, but how you travel the world and for which purpose says a lot sir!
you mentioned recession, but you had to lie that everyone staved!, and you are trying to say one should not travel cus there is recession.

Our own needs are important too, and when a Church keeps on putting the presser on about how much the martial's cost, or they need monies for some sort of support, then do what the Lord said to do in {1 Timothy 6:5} Men of corrupt minds destitute of the truth, who suppose the godliness is the means of Gain. From such withdraw yourselves.
He want's us all the live the way He designed us the live equally. Let our Children enjoy life-let us all enjoy the life God wanted us to live.
Churches will survive just on given, and sharing with each other. If the Churches were living up to the Lord-their wouldn't be staving people around the world, not even in Africa.

RCCG, WINNERS CHAPEL , MFM and members of other churches, pls take note.

brocab, you have refused to show us the law that you believed was changed. you have refused to tell us who the law is for!, you gave vehemently refused to tell us how you came about Sabbath Saturday. You asked a faulty question, based on parameters that do not exist! and you have still refused to explain them .

again you did not respond to this issues :
this are the points I made which you refused to respond to
1. hope the info will include how you came about sabbath sartu r day, and how Christians are to worship on sabbath sartuday!
2. as a Christian, what day did the scriptures tell you to worship !
3. pls, include birthday to this pagan influenced doctrine o!
4. you have once again failed to quote and explain this scriptures :
Joh 17:3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
1Jo 5:20But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us insight so that we may gain the knowledge of the one who is true. And we are in union with the one who is true, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting
1Co 1:3May you have undeserved kindness and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1Co 8:5For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,”
1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”
brocab, my god is not unknown, he is the god of Jesus, the father, the almighty God, Jehovah!

brocab:
After reading your page it shows you don't understand the differences between a partaker of the divine nature, and fully having the divine nature after we die. We can be partakers of the divine-that doesn't mean we are fully divine, the disciples were partakers until their flesh died, after their death they became fully divine, like the Lord is divine-once we become born again we are on our journey to become fully divine to be with the Lord after our flesh dies.
Having the Spirit of God residing inside us-He is building us up-so when the time comes we will be ready to become fully divine like He is divine in heaven. At the moment we are partakers of the divine nature.

sir the scriptures never made mention of any partial nature or full divine nature, this is your human based view to to portray being sharers of divine nature as not fully having divine nature.
look at the verses again and understand
2Pe 1:3 for his divine power has granted us all the things that contribute to life and godly devotion through the accurate knowledge of the One who called us by his own glory and virtue.
brocab, did the verse say divine power gave them the ability to share in the divine nature? no ! it says it granted them all the things that CONTRIBUTE to life and godly devotion.
How is this done? This is done through the accurate knowledge of the one who called us by his own glory and virtue!
what is this accurate knowledge?
verse 2 tells us : 2Pe 1:2May undeserved kindness and peace be increased to you by an accurate knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord,

now let's look at verse 4
2Pe 1:4 Through these things he has granted us the precious and very grand promises, so that through these you may become sharers in divine nature, having escaped from the world’s corruption produced by wrong desire.[/u]

do you understand Paul ? he is telling you that through this knowledge he has granted us the precious and very grand promises. what are those promises ? see the scriptures below:
Lu 22:29, 30and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom,30so that you may eat and drink at my table in my Kingdom, and sit on thrones to judge the 12 tribes of Israel.

Joh 14:2In the house of my Father are many dwelling places. Otherwise, I would have told you, for I am going my way to prepare a place for you.

Ga 3:29Moreover, if you belong to Christ, you are really Abraham’s offspring, heirs with reference to a promise.

it is through the accurate knowledge that this promises where granted? It is through these (divine power, accurate knowledge, and promises) that that they MAY partake or share in the divine nature. There is no partial sharing or partaking in divine nature, the process is clear. Paul was explicitly clear on what will happen before you share or partake in the divine nature. If the promise is not fufilled in you , you wunt share in the divine nature, and the promise cannot be fulfilled until you you endure, persever , strife to the end

Php 3:14I am pressing on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God by means of Christ Jesus.

the statement "May/ might be" , should have made you understand better, Paul was talking to those who already had the spirit of God, yet he said they "mIght be partake/ may become sharers" of the divine nature.

Paul now ended it by saying " having escaped from the world’s corruption produced by wrong desire." now brocab, how to you escape the world's curruption produced by wrong desire if you are still in the flesh?.
how can Paul be telling them to put earnest effort, to working out their own salvation, to make sure they do not fall if they had already escaped.?

But of course you believe otherwise 'no-one has the divine nature before they die-So you need to explain how is it, that you don't believe Elisha's bones were a partaker of God's anointing well after he had died?-If he wasn't a partaker of the divine nature before he died, then you need to explain how one man had touched his bones and was completely healed.
This man was healed instantly? Elisha at this time would have been fully in his divine body with the Lord-while his bones laid back on earth in the ground, still having God's divine healing power.
So of course this proves, not only was Elisha being a partaker of the divine nature before he died-he was fully divine after he had died-while his bones laid in the ground still having the partakers divine nature. "Why is that"?
If you say No to this question-then where did Elisha's bones receive it's power to instantly heal live people?
Please Explain

the resurrection shows you that it occurred by divine power, not by the power of elisha. It does not mean elisha had divine nature.
your questions are funny cus anyone with divine nature is alive and not dead, is elisha bone alive or dead? Sir it is dead! , therefore it does not have divine nature.
Your insinuation that elisha had two bodies , one with the Lord and one with the bones is false. These is not according to scripture teachings. moreover, the scriptures talks about this change in nature, you must leave one to gain the other, you can't have or be in both?
If elisha bone had divine nature, why did it allow it's flesh to rut? it should have been able to preserve it's flesh too na!.

you also made a very wrong statement about where elisha is after he died! you expect me to give you an answer when it's based on a wrong view!
where did you get it that elisha was with the Lord?

Not cunning the problem with your statement, with Paul being filled with the Spirit of God {Holy Spirit filled}, the point is JW's don't even believe in the Spirit of God-you may say you do, but you believe more on the fact the Spirit is an Active force. An active force couldn't reside in a body long enough, the description of an active force is described like it's electricity hitting you and bouncing off quickly.

your statement is based on wrong understanding!

So how can you say Paul was filled with the Holy Spirit?
This is why you can't believe he is a partaker of the divine nature. believe it or not-the Father the Son and the Spirit is divine. And if Paul has the Spirit of God-then Paul's a partaker of that divine, like Christ was a partaker of flesh and blood {Hebrews 2:14, 3:14} And we have become partakers of Christ.

you yourself , read those scriptures you mentioned and see how much of a lair you are!
Heb 2:14Therefore, since the “young children” are sharers of blood and flesh, he also similarly shared in the same things, so that through his death he might bring to nothing the one having the means to cause death, that is, the Devil,
how are the young children sharers of blood and flesh? answer: they where blood and flesh!
how did Jesus share in blood and flesh? he became blood and flesh!
Joh 1:14So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of divine favor and truth.
Jesus left one nature and became another nature!

Read the verse you mentioned again:
Heb 3:14For we actually become partakers of the Christ only if we hold firmly down to the end the confidence we had at the beginning.
do you understand that verse brocab, did it say "we have become partakers of Christ?" no!. It said we become partakers of Christ if we hold firmly down to the end!, in other words, you can't partake in Christ unless you hold firmly to the end the confidence we had at the beginning.
A translation translated that verse thus :
For if we are faithful to the end, trusting God just as firmly as when we first believed, we will share in all that belongs to Christ.

We are partakers of His Divine Nature {2 Peter 1:4}
We are partakers of His Holiness {Hebrews 12:10}

brocab, quote those scriptures and stop your lies
King James Version
Heb 12:10For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we MIGHT BE partakers of his holiness.[/quote]stop removing words you don't like so as to change the context!

We are partakers of the Holy Spirit {Hebrews 6:4}
[b] King James Version
Heb 6:4For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and WERE MADE partakers of the Holy Ghost,
did you see the difference there? they were capitalised for all to see!

[quote]We are partakers of the heavenly calling {Hebrews 3:1}

King James Version
Heb 3:1Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
do you notice the completeness of that statement? they are partakers of the heavenly calling!
being called to heaven does not mean you are in heaven, there are things you should do , if you do not do it, such calling will be withdrawn!
Php 3:14I am pressing on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God by means of Christ Jesus.
1Th 2:12so that you would go on walking worthily of God, who is calling you to his Kingdom and glory.
brocab, you can get an invite to a wedding, partaking in the invitation, but you have to be at the wedding to partake at the wedding!. do not misconstrue participation in a calling/ invite to actual participation in the event!

We are partakers of His suffering {1 peter 4:13}

did they partake in Christ suffering ? Yes
did the verse say they may partake in Christ suffering?no
brocab, you are deliberately linking actual participation to future possible participation!
King James Version
1Pe 4:13But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ’s sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

Ro 8:17If, then, we are children, we are also heirs—heirs indeed of God, but joint heirs with Christ—PROVIDED WE SUFFER TOGETHER so that WE MAY also be glorified together.

2Co 4:10Always we endure in our body the death-dealing treatment that Jesus suffered, that the life of Jesus may also be made manifest in our body.

2Ti 3:12In fact, all those desiring to live with godly devotion in association with Christ Jesus will also be persecuted.

We are partakers in God's promise the Christ {Ephesians 3:6}

King James Version
Eph 3:6That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
another complete statement, but does it mean the promise has been fufilled there because they are partakers in it? No !

We are partakers of fruit {1 Timothy 2:6}
sir, it seems you do not read the scriptures you mentioned, I remember asking you about scriptures you mentioned but can't be found in the bible, you refused to respond to that post or that issue again!
King James Version
1Ti 2:6Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

[quote]We are partakers of the afflictions of the gospel {2 Timothy 1:8}

King James Version
2Ti 1:8Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

[quote]We are partakers of Christ's Glory {1 Peter 5:1}

King James Version
1Pe 5:1The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:

hope you read the concluding part of that verse, the one you deliberately omitted!
lookeep at other supporting verses!
[b]Ro 8:18For I consider that the sufferings of the present time do not amount to anything in comparison with the glory that is going to be revealed in us.

hope you understand what " going to be revealed means"! , it means it has not been revealed in them yet!

So you see dolphinheart when the scriptures shows us the truth in whom are partakers of the divine, then your details trying to prove the bible's wrong and you are right, Like Elisha His bones had God's anointing still in his bones well after he had died, are you listening dolphinheart Elisha had so much of God's divine in him; that even after he had died, his bones, healed a man completely.

you had to alter the scriptures to arrive at your views, Paul said they "may become" partakers and not "are partakers".
It is also "divine nature" not "divine" .
brocab, divine nature has evaluating life, therefore elisha should not have died if it has divine nature !

So this proves Elisha was a partaker of the divine nature before he died-not after he died.

wrong analysis.

brocab:
So you do believe in all these scriptures below? This Isn't a mistake? Does this mean you had finely come to your senses, and you agree with {1 JOHN 5:20} Is this true? Dolphinheart I am surprised, after all this time-you have finely agreed "Christ is the true God.

when you decide to open you eyes , you will see the truth. at no time I've I ever said to you or agreed with you that Christ is the true god, your attempt to cunningly say I finally agreed to such falsehood will not work!, so your suprise is only a fiction of your imagination.

{1 JOHN 5:20} We in union with the one who is true, by means of His son Jesus Christ, This is the true God and life everlasting.
If you truly believe this "then I know, you worship the true God.
We Christians have been telling you this from the beginning, you have made many Christians proud dolphinheart you had finely come to the truth. Amen,,,,

who is the true god ? The father, Jehovah. This statement jesus confirmed to be true when he said in John 17:3

Joh 17:3This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.

1Jo 5:20But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us insight so that we may gain the knowledge of the one who is true. And we are in union with the one who is true, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting.
did that verse say jesus is the true god? no!

let us examine what the verse says
" but we know that the son of God has come and has given us insight so that we may gain the knowledge of the one one who is true" . This statement tells us that the son of God , who is jesus came to give us insight about the one who is true. The statement did not say jesus came to give knowledge about himself, neither did it state jesus said he is the one who is true.
what insight did jesus give, this insight we can find in John 17:3 where jesus identified the only true god , jesus identified the only true god as the father! and he later told Mary that the father is our God!.

John continues to say " we are in union with the one who is true , by means of his son jesus Christ"(kjv says " even in his son jesus christ). A sincere mind would easily know that the one who is true, which jesus has identified as the father is different from jesus .
We are in union with the one who is true (the father) by means of his son(jesus christ)

[b]Joh 17:20, 21“I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word,
21[u]so that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, so that the world may believe that you sent me.[/u]

John continues to state " this is the true god and life evalasting"
brocab will not agree with jesus who had given him insight of who the true god is. In fact , jesus said knowledge of the true god and of him leads to evaluating life!.

let's not take my words alone, let's examine what others had to say :

1. Many Trinitarians claim that the final sentence in the verse, “This is the true God,” refers to Jesus Christ, since the closest noun to “This” is “Jesus Christ.” However, since God and Jesus are both referred to in the first sentence of the verse, the final sentence can refer to either one of them. The word “this,” which begins the last sentence, is houtos, and a study of it will show that the context, not the closest noun or pronoun, must determine to whom “this” is referring. The Bible provides examples of this, and a good one is in Acts 7:18 and 19 ( KJV ): “Till another king arose, which knew not Joseph. The same ( houtos) dealt subtilly with our kindred…, and evil entreated our fathers, so that they cast out their young children, to the end they might not live.” It is clear from this example that “the same” ( houtos ) cannot refer to Joseph, even though Joseph is the closest noun. It refers to the other king earlier in the verse, even though that evil king is not the closest noun.

If it were true that pronouns always referred to the closest noun, serious theological problems would result. An example is Acts 4:10 and 11: “Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This [houtos ] is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner” ( KJV ). If “This” in the last sentence refers to the closest noun or pronoun, then the man who was healed is actually the stone rejected by the builders that has become the head of the corner, i.e., the Christ. Of course, that is not true.

An even more troublesome example for those not recognizing that the context, not noun and pronoun placement, is the most vital key in determining proper meaning, is 2 John 1:7: “For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist” ( KJV) . The structure of this verse closely parallels the structure of the verse we are studying. If one insists that the final phrase of 1 John 5:20 refers to Jesus because he is the closest associated noun, then that same person is going to be forced by his own logic to insist that Jesus Christ is a deceiver and an antichrist, which of course is absurd. Thus we conclude that, although the last phrase of 1 John 5:20 may refer to Jesus Christ, it can just as easily refer to God, who appears in the phrase “Son of God” and, via the possessive pronoun “his,” in the phrase “ his Son Jesus.” To which of the two it refers must be determined from studying the words in the verse and the remoter context.

2. Once it is clear that the last sentence in the verse can refer to either Jesus or God, it must be determined which of the two it is describing. The context and remoter context will determine to whom the phrase “true God” applies. The result of that examination is that the phrase “true God” is used four times in the Bible beside here: 2 Chronicles 15:3; Jeremiah 10:10; John 17:3 and 1 Thessalonians 1:9. In all four of these places, the “true God” refers to the Father and not the Son. Especially relevant is John 17:3, which is Jesus’ prayer to God. In that prayer, Jesus calls God “the only true God.” These examples are made more powerful by the consideration that 1 John is a late epistle, and thus the readers of the Bible were already used to God being called the “true God.” Add to that the fact that John is the writer of both the Gospel of John and the Epistles of John, and he would be likely to use the phrase the same way. Thus, there is every reason to believe that the “true God” of 1 John 5:20 is the heavenly Father, and there is no precedent for believing that it refers to the Son.

3. From studying the immediate context, we learn that this very verse mentions “him that is true” two times, and both times it refers to the Father. Since the verse twice refers to the Father as “the one who is true,” that is a strong argument that “the true God” in the last part of the verse is the same being.

4. Not all Trinitarians believe that the last sentence in the verse refers to the Son. A study of commentators on the verse will show that a considerable number of Trinitarian scholars say that this phrase refers to the Father. Norton and Farley each give a list of suchscholars. In his commentary on 1 John, Lenski writes that although the official explanation of the Church is to make the sentence refer to the Son:

This exegesis of the church is now called a mistake by a number of commentators who believe in the full deity of Jesus as it is revealed in Scripture but feel convinced that this houtos clause speaks of the Father and not of His Son.
www.biblicalunitarian.com/verses/1-john-5-20

"[1 John]5.20-21. Knowing the true God;... The Greek of 5:20 has only the true (one) and reads literally: we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding 'so that we know the true(one) and we are in the true(one)', in his Son Jesus Christ. 'This (one) is the true God and eternal life.' It is clear from this that 'the true (one)' is God throughout. Christ is his Son . In the final sentence this (one) most naturally refers still to God, not to Christ, as some have suggested. It is not unknown for Christ to be given God's name(Phil. 2:9-11) or even to be called 'God' (Heb. 1:8-9; John 1:1), but that would run contrary to the theme here, which is contrasting true and false understandings of God for which Christ's revelation is the criterion.
"5:20 reminds us of Jesus' prayer according to John 17:3: 'This is eternal life: to know you the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent...."- William Loader, The Johannine Epistles , Epworth Commentaries, 1992, p.79.(This commentary uses the Revised English Bible (1989) for it's quotations.)

"The final sentence of verse 20 runs: This is the true God, and eternal life . To whom does this refer? Grammatically speaking, it would normally refer to the nearest preceding subject, namely his Son Jesus Christ . If so, this would be the most unequivocal statement of the deity of Jesus Christ in the New Testament, which the champions of orthodoxy were quick to exploit against the heresy of Arius. Luther and Calvin adopted this view. Certainly it is by no means an impossible interpretation. Nevertheless, 'the most natural reference'(Westcott) is to him that is true . [u]In this way the three references to 'the true' are to the same Person, the Father, and the additional points made in the apparent final repetition are that is is this One, namely the God made known by Jesus Christ, who is the true God[/b] , and that, besides this, He is eternal life ...."-The Epistles of John, An Introduction and Commentary by The Rev.J.R.W.Stott, Tyndale New Testament Commentaries, Tyndale Press, London, !st edition, July 1964, p.195, 196[/b]

That's right I don't tithe, Do you?

the question was : why don't you pay tithe?

Jesus said to Peter whom of the kings of the Earth receive Customs Or taxes, from Strangers all from their Sons, Peter answered from Strangers, Jesus then said, then the {Earthly} Sons are free.
The Strangers pay-but the Kings Sons don't pay, and speaking we are Sons of the most high, and if we are Children of God, then we are the Sons and daughters of the King of Kings, Jesus said the Sons are free.
And if you continual to read the rest of {Matthew 17} you will find Jesus didn't want to argue the point, so He sent Peter to the sea.
So it's unlikely that it was Jesus's Customs to pay Taxes in Capernaum.

you are wrong, all isrealities where required to pay that tax, that jesus is legally exempted from that tax does not mean he did not follow the custom. and as you can see, that tax is different from tithe.

Jesus said give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar. And Give to God what belongs to God. And this old law continual's until this day, no-one has changed this law..

old law? when Did it become an old law?

Under the Customs acts, Taxes and Customs were given as a percentage. Customs were under the tithing act, both Tithes and Taxes had a percentage. 23% or a 10% system. This is where the money is Dolphinheart Pastors from your Church and other Churches are ripping of the people, changing the course of the Tithe, Purgatory, etc... While our Governments continual to obey the Tax Law..

and you could not quote scriptures nor site any reliable source to support the above.
taxes and tithe are two different things for different purposes with different lawstyles guiding them, TAXES AND TITHES ARE NOT THE SAME

again you did not respond to this issues :
this are the points I made which you refused to respond to
1. hope the info will include how you came about sabbath sartu r day, and how Christians are to worship on sabbath sartuday!
2. as a Christian, what day did the scriptures tell you to worship !
3. pls, include birthday to this pagan influenced doctrine o!
4. you have once again failed to quote and explain this scriptures :
Joh 17:3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
1Jo 5:20But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us insight so that we may gain the knowledge of the one who is true. And we are in union with the one who is true, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting
1Co 1:3May you have undeserved kindness and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1Co 8:5For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,”
1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”
brocab, my god is not unknown, he is the god of Jesus, the father, the almighty God, Jehovah!

johnw74:
No end to Lie Lie dolphinheart's denial and lies,

false jw dolphinheart repeats the same lies over and over again, of course.



Lie Lie dolphinheart said concerning God and the Word: "your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."



It seems unbelievable that one who denies and lies so many times about what he knows he said, can call himself a Jehovahs Witness, there in shows the evil of that sect.

well they must find an excuse for
1.not being to post the post where I made the statement
2. not being able to show where the responded to my explanation!

they will say anything else , but to show you this two things above, THEY WILL REFUSE!
they will keep on concerning my words with theirs, but they will have not post that post!
plus remember , up till now , he has not apologised for lying against me that I said " god is a two headed god" or did you not accuse me of saying such ?

solite3:
Dolphinshear,t you need Jesus

who is that?
Secondly is my statement "Idolatry includes the veneration, love, worship, adoration of an Idol sir, it's just not worship" wrong?

please who is a false god?
King James Version

it can also be a what!. A false god is a god which Godship is based on falsehood!.

so if somebody spoke the truth, he is truly God? Who is a true God

nop
the true God is jehovah, the father, the source of all truth.

Joh 17:17Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word is truth

Joh 4:23Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship THE FATHER with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him.

Ex 34:6Jehovah was passing before him and declaring: “Jehovah, Jehovah, a God merciful and compassionate, slow to anger and abundant in loyal love and truth,

Joh 17:3This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.

1Jo 5:20But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us insight so that we may gain the knowledge of the one who is true. And we are in union with the one who is true, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting.

there was error in my post due to autocorrect on my phone. What I meant was that I never told you that moon, the stars and the sun are not hosts of heaven but also angels and demons are called hosts of heaven. So back to Genesis when the bible mention heaven, it never differentiated it. It is people like you because of doctrine that twist

so why do you now try to differentiate it!
are you now saying that the earth and moons and stars are also called host of heaven?

didn't you read where angels are called hosts of heaven or you are blind. Is not the bible that said it.? Angels can be worshipped which Paul warned Christians against.

nop, angels are called host of heaven, now do the isrea lites worship angels?, the answer is no , now are heavenly objects called the host of heaven, the answer is yes, therefore when the scriptures says the isrealities worship All THE HOSTS of heaven, why don't you think it includes the heavenly objects!?, expecially when those heavenly objects are mentioned in that verse!c you look up and see demons? no , you look up and see the heaven and it's hosts!
angels can be worshipped, but are the isrealites worshipping angels? no! so what is all the hosts of heaven that the isrealites worshipped?

so are you saying demons can't be worshipped because they are invisible?

nop, did not say that , just pointing you to what God warned the isrealites not to worship, he also pointed to where the things he wanted them not to worship where !
King James Version
De 4:19 And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.
what did Jehovah say they see when they lift their eyes up to heaven? The sun moon and stars and all the host of heaven, if you look up to the heavens , do you not see this things?
Are those things demons? no!

When somebody carved wood into any form or use iron or gold to worship are they worshipping demons? Yes, are those iron gold or woods demons themselves ? No. So , if somebody worship sun moon or star they are worshipping demons but those objects are not demons themselves.

it is not good to be categorical , yes most idols are demon influenced either at the point of its creation or later, but not all objects worshipped or venerated are demon influenced.

you have. Initially you were almost swearing that angels are not called hosts of heaven and that hosts of heaven only refers to sun moon and stars go back and read your garbage in which you were also quoting other versions just to discredit what I said. So worship directed to the sun moon or star where actually for the invisible hosts of heaven.

and you could not point and quote the difference! typical.
Sir, it's either I swore or did not swear! which one is almost swearing again! are you now trying to accuse me based on probability? wow!
It is you that does not read my post, mostImes you have a premeditated idea about what I said and thus refuse to actually understand what I said. Therefore when you are asked to show evidence when you accuse me of saying something, you are always found wanting, unable to provide such evidence.

yes peter came to know Christ before Paul do u know that. Also the bible mention man before woman and Paul actually said man was created before woman. Also God before Christ I can go on and on. So my dear dolphinsheart there is order in the bible know it today, that is y people who distort the word of God will have it hot before God mean while heaven was created before earth. That's the order.

did you find that order of peter knowing christ before paul in "Peter and Paul"? no , you found it in the other collation of other verses about Peter and Paul. do not say because a name is mentioned before other name means that name came first in relation to what the names are mentioned with.
I gave birth to James and John in my youth, it does not mean that James came before John, it just means that in my youth, I gave birth to both of them,
look at scientific statements about the universe, the relationship between the moon, the earth and the sun and stars and other planets, could you think one will be fully created before the other?

The same principle can be applied to man and woman, if the scriptures had not explained them in detail, you would not have known which came first.

go and read your bible and tell me what day did God create the sun moon and stars.

your inability to answer this question shows how wrong your logic is
and the sun and stars are not part of heaven that was created in the beginning?

angels can be worshipped that is why the bible condemns worshipping the hosts of heaven. Have you heard of the queen of heaven?

the isrealites worshipped All THE HOSTS of heaven, did they worship angels?,
yes I've heard about the queen of heaven.

such knowledge is too high for you. The difference between you people and Christians is that Christians have the holy spirit which enables them to see further than you

if you know you can't explain it, just say you can't, and stop giving lame excuses .
2. you need to explain how you came about the belief that demons are in the physical heaven.

it is obvious that you are the liar here

now let's see who is lying:

this are your words :
(3:42 pm, June 15, page 95)

but the bible says those who overcomes will also be given the name morning star does that mean they will become angels

I replied (5:15 pm, June 16, page96 ): " you refusal to quote that bible verse shows
1. you can't answer the question asked : (note: the word morning stars, do you know where Jesus called himself such?)
2. you are trying to lie against the scriptures again!"

In your reply to that post (12:17am, June 17, page 96) you said :

Revelations 2:28 tells you that all who overcomes will be given the name morning star does that mean they become angels?

I noticed that on the two occasions you refused to quote that verse so that your lie could stand, so in my reply (11:11 am, June 18, page 97) I decided to quote the verse to show you are liar, that you added your own views to what the verse said, that's why you could not/ refused to quote it
i replied: " King James Version
Re 2:28And I will give him the morning star.
you refusal to quote that bible verse shows
1. you can't answer the question asked : (note: the word morning stars, do you know where Jesus called himself such?)
2. you are trying to lie against the scriptures again!"

Because you now know that it is evident that you can't answer the initial question and it has been shown that you infused a different meaning to what the verse wats(while refusing to quote it), you decided to change your statement.
your new words are:

y don't you respond to the issue that Christians will be given the morning stars. Does that mean they will become angels

CAN YOU SEE YOU ARE THE LIAR NOW, YOU HAD TO ALTER YOUR OWN WORDS ONE YOU SAW THAT YOU COULD NOT TWIST THAT SCRIPTURE, ALL THIS YOU DID WHILE YOU REFUSED TO ANSWER THE INITIAL QUESTION !
you can't answer the question asked : (note: the word morning stars, do you know where Jesus called himself such?)

all you know how to do is asking baseless questions. It is obvious that morning star is a title not only to angels but can be given to men. Shalom.

1. pls notice the bolded above
2. pls notice that he refused to answer the question.
3. pls align the bolded above with this scripture:
Re 22:16“‘I, Jesus, sent my angel to bear witness to you about these things for the congregations. I am the root and the offspring of David and the bright morning star.’”

the word morning star, do you know where Jesus called himself such?

solite3, you deliberately removed or refused to respond to this:
1. you deliberately ommited this one , you sad: "is it the father that came to this earth."
I replied:
no, but someone has said Jesus is the father, do you know who said so? I bet you know, but you can't fit mention!

2. well everyone can see you could not respond or explain the scriptures quoted to to the scriptures, I'll just point it to you again:
Joh 17:26 you where afraid to quote and explain these verse, expecially the underlined
solite3, if you are a truth full person, pls explain the verse above!

you could also not respond to this :
did it say god exalted himself,? no!
did it say Jesus exalted himself ? no !
Did that verse imply that that the one who was exalted is same as one doing the exalting? no!
therefore , "God ", reffered to In those verses is not Jesus.!

Isa 52:13 Look! My servant will act with insight. He will be raised up high, He will be elevated and greatly exalted
Ac 2:32, 33

you are a bad person solite3, for this what God wanted with his name :
1Ki 8:60
Eze 36:23
Eze 39:7

brocab:
Dolphinheart quote is> pls state where I said or implied that I don't believe Paul o! or where I said he does not have the Spirit of God in him!
Is this a miss print? JW's don't believe in the Spirit of God, as I recall the JW's believe the Holy Spirit is an active force.
The answer to the above question? "When you denied Paul wasn't a partaker of the divine nature, before He died.
Christ said we are in Him, and He is in us, we are branches in the vine, We are all members in one body, we are one Spirit in the Lord.

your cunny tactics will get you no where!
I've stated several times, giving you details about how having spirit of God leads to your transformation from fleshly nature to divine nature. you saw that, you ignored it, only to come falsely accuse me of saying Paul never had the spirit of God in him.
You are cunning individual brocab, I've told you that paul still awaiting that promise, (which I quoted to you) and it's at the fulfillment of that hope(which he will get at the end) that will enable him to change from his fleshly nature to divine nature. you saw all this and you saw where Ive explained the relationship between divine mature and spirit of God, yet you felt you could Still bring up this false accusation.
that you could not point to where I said Paul did not have spirit of God in him has shown your accusation to be false, that I could tell you that Paul did indeed had the spirit I him shows how far you could go to lay false accusations .

If you were a Christian you would know this. But you don't.
Matter of fact you aren't even saved, dolphinheart repent before its to late, if you don't you will end up in Hell fire with all your ancestors who have gone before you' don't be a fool turn from your evil ways, and ask the Lord for your forgiveness, Jesus is the only One who can forgive sins.

thank you.

God raised the dead through the prophets? Not the prophets in the flesh raised the dead.
{1 kings 17:17-24} The widow of Zarephath's son, Elijah took the boy from her arms, and went into the upper room, and PRAYED "LORD MY GOD let this boy's life return to him.
Faithful men and women of God in the Old Testament and the New Testament were given this same gift the disciples had while raising the dead. O/T In the name of the Lord-N/T in the name of the Lord Jesus. Same name, different time flames.

if you had not removed gods name from the scriptures you will know better, and if you had read the scriptures without predetermined views, you would not have said such

2 kings 4 :32-35
32 When E·liʹsha came into the house, the boy was lying dead on his bed.
33 He went in and closed the door behind them both and began to pray to Jehovah.
34 Then he got up on the bed and lay down on the child and put his own mouth on the boy’s mouth, his own eyes on his eyes, and his own palms on his palms and kept bent over him, and the child’s body started to grow warm.
35 He walked back and forth in the house, and he got up on the bed and bent over him again. The boy sneezed seven times, after which he opened his eyes.

who Did Elisha pray to ? Jehovah
therefore who really resurrected that child ? Jehovah
hold this thought.

luke 7: 13-16
13.When the Lord caught sight of her, he was moved with pity for her, and he said to her: “Stop weeping.”
14 With that he approached and touched the bier, and the bearers stood still. Then he said: “Young man, I say to you, get up!”
15 And the dead man sat up and started to speak, and Jesus gave him to his mother.
16 Now fear seized them all, and they began to glorify God, saying: “A great prophet has been raised up among us,” and, “God has turned his attention to his people.”
who where did people glorifying? God.
who did they call Jesus in respect to God? A great prophet!
hold this thought too?

john 11: 21,22,27,40-44
21Martha then said to Jesus: “Lord, if you had been here, my brother would not have died.
22 Yet even now I know that whatever you ask God for, God will give you.”
27 She said to him: “Yes, Lord, I have believed that you are the Christ, the Son of God, the one coming into the world.”
40 Jesus said to her: “Did I not tell you that if you would believe you would see the glory of God?”
41 So they took the stone away. Then Jesus raised his eyes heavenward and said: “Father, I thank you that you have heard me.
42. True, I knew that you always hear me; but I spoke on account of the crowd standing around, so that they may believe that you sent me.”
43 When he had said these things, he cried out with a loud voice: “Lazʹa·rus, come out!” 44. The man who had been dead came out with his feet and hands bound with wrappings, and his face was wrapped with a cloth. Jesus said to them: “Free him and let him go.”

who did Martha ascribe the power to live to ? God
what did Martha say concerning Jesus and God? Martha said " I know that wateva you ask God, God will give you!"
does Martha belief that Jesus is same person as God ? no , she said Jesus gods son, and Jesus raised no objection.
did Jesus pray to the father before resurrecting lazarus? Yes!
who did Jesus call the father? The only true god !
who did Jesus and the disciples call our only God? The father!
so who do we ascribe the resurrection to, Jesus or the father? it is to the father who heard Jesus!
through whom Did Jesus say he performed his powerful works? The father!
who did Jesus say showed him how to perform those powerful works? The father!

Now let's go to the resurrection as performed by the disciples .
Ac 9:40Peter then put everyone outside, and kneeling down, he prayed. Then turning toward the body, he said: “Tabʹi·tha, rise!” She opened her eyes, and as she caught sight of Peter, she sat up.

By what power did the disciples perform those works? by the power of the holy spirit
who gave them the holy spirit? see for yourself brocab

Ac 10:38about Jesus who was from Nazʹa·reth, how God anointed him with holy spirit and power, and he went through the land doing good and healing all those oppressed by the Devil, because God was with him.

Ac 1:8 But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth.”

Joh 14:16 And I will ask the Father and he will give you another helper to be with you forever,

Lu 24:49And look! I am sending upon you what my Father promised. You, though, stay in the city until you are clothed with power....

Joe 2:28 After that I will pour out my spirit on every sort of flesh, And your sons and your daughters will prophesy, Your old men will dream dreams, And your young men will see visions.
brocab, I do hope you will read this scriptures and understand, or you will do what you do , and that is, change the issue under discuss.

Why did the disciples do this in the name of Jesus since the power to do so comes from God !
[b]Ac 4:9, 10if we are being examined today about a good deed to a crippled man, and you want to know who made this man well,10let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel that in the name of Jesus Christ the Naz·a·reneʹ, whom you executed on a stake but whom God raised up from the dead, by means of him this man stands here healthy in front of you.

Joh 3:16“For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.
Joh 6:40For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who recognizes the Son and exercises faith in him should have everlasting life, and I will resurrect him on the last day.”

Joh 14:26 But the helper, the holy spirit, which the Father will send in my name, that one will teach you all things and bring back to your minds all the things I told you.

Joh 14:12Most truly I say to you, whoever exercises faith in me will also do the works that I do; and he will do works greater than these, because I am going my way to the Father

Joh 14:13Also, whatever you ask in my name, I will do this, so that the Father may be glorified in connection with the Son.

Joh 15:16You did not choose me, but I chose you, and I appointed you to go and keep bearing fruit and that your fruit should remain, so that no matter what you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.

AND THE MOST IMPORTANT REASON OF ALL

john 5:26 For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted also to the Son to have life in himself.
Joh 5:27And he has given him authority to do judging, because he is the Son of man.

do you understand the scriptures posted, if you do let us know.
read this verse too!

[b]Da 7:13“I kept watching in the visions of the night, and look! with the clouds of the heavens, someone like a son of man was coming; and he gained access to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him up close before that One.

They are all partakers of the divine nature.
Of course the disciples were flesh, Elijah was in the flesh-Jesus came to earth as a man-he suffered in the flesh-but Jesus is divine, and His disciples like Elijah were partakers of the divine nature. Both in different time flames, Old and New Testaments both believers prayed to the Lord, for all healing's.

false analogy

And everyone in this day and age who decides to become a born again Christian, Jesus had made away for us to be partakers of the divine nature too. And when we pray and seek God's kingdom, and seek after His word, we are blessed, just as Elijah or Elisha and the disciples were blessed with the Spirit of God. As partakers of His divine nature, that we become one as He is One in us. Amen...
Elisha's performed a healing he was full of God's Spirit, after he had died, a man touched his bones and was completely healed.
The widow of Nain's son Jesus touch his coffin and raised him from the dead.
None of the prophets could heal anybody without being partakers of the divine.

let me explain it to you once more
Jesus Christ is called “the firstborn from the dead.” He was the first ever to be resurrected to everlasting life.
col 1:18 and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might become the one who is first in all things

And his resurrection was “in the spirit,” to life in heaven.
1 peter 3:18 For Christ died once for all time for sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit

He was raised to a higher form of life and a higher position than that which he had held in the heavens prior to coming to earth. He was granted immortality and incorruption, which no creature in the flesh can have, and was made “higher than the heavens,” second only to Jehovah God in the universe.
heb 7:26 For it is fitting for us to have such a high priest who is loyal, innocent, undefiled, separated from the sinners, and exalted above the heavens

phil 2 : 9-11 For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name, so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend—of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground — and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.

1 cor 15:27,28 For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him. But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone
read also 1 ti 6: 14-16 , acts 2:34

His resurrection was performed by Jehovah God himself.
acts 3:15:- whereas you killed the Chief Agent of life. But God raised him up from the dead, of which fact we are witnesses

acts 5:30-32 :- The God of our forefathers raised up Jesus, whom you killed, hanging him on a stake. God exalted this one as Chief Agent and Savior to his right hand, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins. And we are witnesses of these matters, and so is the holy spirit, which God has given to those obeying him as ruler.”

rom 4:24 :-but also for our sake, to whom it will be counted, because we believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord up from the dead.
read also romantic 10:9

” Those who are “called and chosen and faithful,” Christ’s footstep followers, his “brothers,” who are spiritually begotten as “God’s children,” are promised a resurrection like his.
rev 17:14 These will battle with the Lamb, but because he is Lord of lords and King of kings, the Lamb will conquer them. Also, those with him who are called and chosen and faithful will do so.

rom 6:5 :- If we have become united with him in the likeness of his death, we will certainly also be united with him in the likeness of his resurrection

heb 2:11 :- For both the one who is sanctifying and those who are being sanctified all stem from one, and for this reason he is not ashamed to call them brothers

The apostle Peter writes to fellow Christians: “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for according to his great mercy he gave us a new birth to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an incorruptible and undefiled and unfading inheritance. It is reserved in the heavens for you.”— . 1 peter 1:3,4

Peter also describes the hope such ones possess as “precious and very grand promises, that through these you may become sharers in divine nature.” - 2 peter 1:4

They must undergo a change of nature, giving up human nature to obtain “divine” nature, thus sharing with Christ in his glory. They must die a death like Christ’s—maintaining integrity and giving up human life forever— and then they receive immortal, incorruptible bodies like Christ’s by a resurrection. - rom 6:3-5; 1Co 15:50-57; 2Co 5:1-3

The apostle Paul explains that it is not the body that is resurrected, but rather, he likens their experience to the planting and sprouting of a seed, in that “God gives it a body just as it has pleased him.”- 1 co 15:35-40

It is the soul, the person, that is resurrected, with a body to suit the environment into which God resurrects him.

In the case of Jesus Christ, he gave up his human life as a ransom sacrifice for the benefit of mankind. The 40th Psalm is applied to him by the inspired writer of the book of Hebrews, who represents Jesus as saying, when he came “into the world” as God’s Messiah: “Sacrifice and offering you did not want, but you prepared a body for me.” (heb 10:5 ) Jesus himself said: “For a fact, the bread that I shall give is my flesh in behalf of the life of the world.” (john 6:51)

It follows that Christ could not take his body back again in the resurrection, thereby taking back the sacrifice offered to God for mankind. Besides, Christ was no longer to abide on earth. His “home” is in the heavens with his Father, who is not flesh, but spirit. Jesus Christ therefore received a glorious immortal, incorruptible body, for “he is the reflection of [Jehovah’s] glory and the exact representation of his very being, and he sustains all things by the word of his power; and after he had made a purification for our sins he sat down on the right hand of the Majesty in lofty places. So he has become better than the angels [who are themselves mighty spirit persons], to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs.”— . Heb 1:3, 4; 10:12, 13

Christ’s faithful brothers, who join him in the heavens, give up human life. The apostle Paul shows that they have to have new bodies repatterned, or refashioned, for their new environment: “As for us, our citizenship exists in the heavens, from which place also we are eagerly waiting for a savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will refashion our humiliated body to be conformed to his glorious body according to the operation of the power that he has.”— phil 3:20,21

brocab:
Don't we all love the JW's?
Again you have twisted everything, I had said-I answered you question the answer was I don't tithe, and you had given me, a mean less quotation about the shekels.

why don't you pay tithe?
I Did not give you meaningless quotation, those words are from the scriptures.
It is not about shekels , it is about the customs of the Jews taken from the mosaic law to pay a certain amount of money to the temple . This money is not tithe!, when the Jews where asking Jesus about the temple tax, it was about that tax instituted on the Jews and not tithe! hope you get it now

Customs or taxes were under that same Mosaic law-it was Israels Custom to either tithe or pay Taxes it was under their law.

sir, tithe and taxes are not the same, there are also not interchangeable!. you don't De ide to pay one and leave the other, you don't Decide to select which one to pay.!, the rules governing both are different and distinct!
The isrealities also pay other taxes that are not under the mosaic law.

{2 Genesis 14:20} It was a Custom to pay tithes and taxes and Moses paid that Custom and Tax.

you should have quoted the verse na!

Tithing was not a Tax-as many call it to be.
Jesus asked that question to Peter whom do the Customs OR Taxes be paid too the Kings of the world, from Strangers or from their own Sons. Peter said from Strangers, then Jesus said then the Sons are free.
Meaning the Sons don't pay either way-and it was a law to pay those shekels in {Exodus 30:12-16} of Taxes and Customs back then.

did you read my post at all? who are the sons that don't pay tax? , you wunt be able to answer!

So dolphinheart don't answer unless you can come up with the right answers, I am tried trying to explain to you all the answers that you refuse to answer too, and then have the cheek denying I didn't reply back to you. All us Christians know you are a liar and a cheat-We all know the truth dolphinheart you read them, and then you go into hiding-refusing to answer them-only because our answers are written from the truth. So until you fill you do understand my page fully, then have the balls to be truthful, and reply back. You judge mental man "you are.
And your Quote is "Your question is faulty the law was not changed!
Think dolphinheart just ask yourself {if you can} this question why do you meet up with all you fellow JW's and all gather together in one place of worship on the Sunday, instead of the Sabbath Saturday, if the law was not changed?
Every 613 commandments made were Gods laws.

sir , since no law commanding Christians to gather on any day was changed, gathering together on a particular day , including Sundays is not wrong, witnesses gather together on any day of the week convenient for such gatherings .

I met up and gather in different places of worship with all other witnesses on Sunday , Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday , Saturday. The day we gather and meet is based on convenience and not on any set rule.

you have refused to show us the law that you believed was changed. you have refused to tell us who the law is for!, you gave vehemently refused to tell us how you came about Sabbath Saturday. You asked a faulty question, based on parameters that do not exist! and you have still refused to explain them .

again you did not respond to this issues :
this are the points I made which you refused to respond to
1. hope the info will include how you came about sabbath sartu r day, and how Christians are to worship on sabbath sartuday!
2. as a Christian, what day did the scriptures tell you to worship !
3. pls, include birthday to this pagan influenced doctrine o!
4. you have once again failed to quote and explain this scriptures :
Joh 17:3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
1Jo 5:20But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us insight so that we may gain the knowledge of the one who is true. And we are in union with the one who is true, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting
1Co 1:3May you have undeserved kindness and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1Co 8:5For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,”
1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”
brocab, my god is not unknown, he is the god of Jesus, the father, the almighty God, Jehovah!

brocab:
I remember you had posted the page where dolphinheart had said that.

but you can't remember where he posted it , nor remember the link he posted. you cannot help him to post that post of mine here on this thread .

I through this old saying dolphinheart said was well and truly gone in the makings?
But dolphinheart waits until everything blows over, changing his own post, making false accusations against us Christians always, JW's do this because they know they haven't a leg to stand on.

liar!, stop lying against me, pls provide just one evidence of this!

I have them twisting my pages as well-after explaining to them about the Sabbath, I had one JW write back to me "telling me I was wrong saying Jesus broke the Sabbath-instead of him finishing my page he automatically crucified me for saying such a thing.
My words were>Matter of fact Jesus broke the Sabbath-next paragraph I said of course your own country men weren't to happy about it. So instead of him reading the scriptures himself, His reply back to me-didn't finish the sentence, claiming" I am calling Jesus a sinner, because I said-Jesus broke the Sabbath. I was only repeating what the pharisees had claimed.

next time you should have said " the pharisees said that Jesus broke the Sabbath" .
looking at your words, you are saying Jesus broke the Sabbath and the pharises are not happy about it!.

They are to busy trying to find faults about the bible-and about us Christians, and instead of reading the sentences, they jump straight into the pit, screaming from the top of their lungs, Brocab had said this, or Johnw74 had said that.
As long as I have dealt with the JW's 'still to this day-they are more trained to lie when corned into that corner they seem to put themselves in every time. They are like little children screaming out loud saying I didn't do it, Mother, Father, he/she done it.
Don't we all love the JW's?
They can only see, what they see-and speaking 'the blind don't see.
We Christians have been patient with them-only because like the Atheist, they too need the Lord, just as much, as we need Him.
And it's the Spirit of God who had laid the true foundation down for us to see to it, everyone has the rights to be saved.
And yes the JW's are being deceived like the world is being deceived. Their witnessing is a lie from the beginning, none know Christ, and none understand Christ, none are born again Christians, none have received the Spirit of God. With consideration as we all know it, 'Their God isn't the same God written in the bible.

continue to prop up your ego .