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brocab:
Everyone can see dolphinheart is gunning me down, firing his first bullet' with a miss-I am sure I have upset him in a great and Almighty way, his pages are becoming longer every time I look down on them.

a beg sir, no put guguru for my pocket o!. I just want you to adress the issues at hand, quote and explain the scriptures quoted to you for months now.

Your mind is playing tricks on you sir, if you think you have upset me, though I know that's one of your aims.

my posts are getting longer cus of you desperate refusal to adress the issues at hand, you are allowing them mount .

How funny is this, I myself had really got dolphinheart worked up, if he was to fight his own war, I am sure I would be at his top of the charts hit list..

for ya mind!

The rubbish he comes up with, the lies he tells in public view, shows he doesn't read any of the scripts we have posted to him that's written in the bible. Dolphinheart is in his own little world, that nothing else matters, not even if the truth stood right in front of him. Which it does.
The anger he writes the more lies pours out from His mouth against Christ, and of course he is against the King James bible in one way and uses it in the other.

if I tell you to point to one lie if told now, you will run away again.

meanWhile, issues at hand:

issues at hand:
I brought up and issue on what he said about Jesus when he was on earth, hope you will agree that God's Spirit helped him make such statement too, but knowing you, I believe you will stay as far away from that issue as possible even though you where being mentioned there!
PLS ! ,BROCAB, PROVIDE JUST ONE EXAMPLE WHERE YOU HAD ASKED ME TO EXPLAIN " WHO IT IS" AND ALL IVE DONE IS TO WRITE THE SCRIPTURE DOWN!
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you said this : "But first you need to think about this, "we are Christians" and Christians are not Jehovah witnesses, Christians don't think the same as you, nor do we believe in any of your doctrines."

I asked you :
you dnt believe any of our doctrines? ok , one of the doctrines of jehovahs witnesses doctrine is that followers of Jesus are not supposed to participate in warfare , do you accept this doctrine or you believe that Jesus followers are supposed to participate in warfare, by warfare, I mean war among countries, nationalities, and tribes, e.g the nigerian civil war!
Another teaching is that fornicators, people who deliberately and continuously commit fornication after being found out, are not allowed to be part of
brocab, there are still other isues at hand
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1. WRITTEN WHAAAT? pls point to what I've written and post it, anytime I say you said something, I endeavor to direct you to wheee and when you said it, so pls direct me and others to where I said " God and the Word is a two headed god"?
bunch of liars!
2. Brought what back to my attention, I know you desperately want him to bring those words he accused me of saying out, it pains you that he could not, hence you have to find alternatives!
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And yet no response from you on the issue you yourself raised?
also up till now , you have not answered these questions
(ill find that post and point it to you)
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you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture:
[b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.
Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.
Examine this questions brocab
1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.
brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :
1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9,11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18
17. 2 cor 1:3
18. Eph 1:3
19. 1 pet 1:3
20: 2Cor 8:6
21. 1 cor 15: 27,28
And a host of others
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Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.
Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty!
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YOU HAVE AGAIN ADDED LIES TO YOUR VIEWS.
Lets see if Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him:
[b]King James Version
Joh 20:14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus!
King James Version
Joh 20:15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARGENER, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
I dnt think the disciples would have been able to recognize Jesus more than Mary, she probably would have known Jesus from birth, and the picture of Jesus in her memory would have been sharper than a 100 mega pixel camera!
but here you are , lying again that Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him!
dnt you think Mary should have been able to recognise Jesus instantly if he had been raise in the same body he died in?
* this is a question ill hope you can give us answer to .
Do you notice how Jesus appeared to his disciples who had locked the doors, his actions transcends the physical realm, he appeared to them gram!, in a locked rooM!. yet until he showed them death dealing wound marks, that was when they believed they where swing the Lord.

brocab pls tell us
1. DOES SOME ONE FACE CHANGE WHEN HE OR SHE IS RESSURRECTED WITH THE SAME BODY HE OR SHE DIED IN?
2.DOES SOME ONE GETS RESSURRECTED WITH THE WOUND'S OR INJURIES THAT KILLED HIM?

If your assumptions are true, I bet during the ressurection, we will know those whose throut where slit, cus there will still be a gapping hole in there necks. and those whose brains where blown out will have a hole in their head, cus they will be resurrected with that same body!
before, I digress, let's further examine ya lie.
King James Version
Joh 21:4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: BUT THE DISCIPLES KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus.
john 21: 12 New International Version
Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord.
even after seing Jesus after his resurrecting, after being with Jesus for years, they still do not recognize Jesus at first glance. If Jesus had been resurrected with the same body he had died in, the disciples will have no doubt, they wunt need to even bother to ask the question that dared not to ask, "who are you".
Jesus had just showed them who he is, it is left for us to understand that they still had issues with Jesus physical features, despite knowing that the person inviting theM to a meal is actually Jesus.

I for one believe that only spirits do appear and dissappear at will!
spirits can manifest physical bodies of any liking for any particular purpose, the scriptures is awash with such occurrences, they can even use it to have sex sef!
sir do you ever read the scriptures at all.
It says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God!
human body is flesh and blood!
how then do you espect the king of gods kingdom to have flesh and blood while his Co rulers do not!
how do you expect the physical to rule in the spiritual realm.
brocab, Jesus was a spirit before he came to earth, was he not?
how come , you refuse him his spirit nature when he had accomplished the work he was sent to do here on earth?

zodiakzax:
lol, dolphinheart is a noisy gong... He clearly doesn't know the difference between Christ's ministry as a Man and God.

pls zodiakzax , can you go back to that post of mine where I raised the issue, instead of coming here to make ego boosting statements!
you could not respond to that issue in that post and you are here claiming I dnt know difference.

And we have tried to explain it but it seems he thinks he knows best.

pls zodiakzax, dnt lie!, you have not responded to that issue I brought up.

He asks foolish qtns, and desire that we answer them. And bcs He can't comprehend the doctrine, he lacks the capability to understand this simple truth.

who be this we we that you guys are mentioning , I asked you about a statement you made, I did not ask we!

The Holy Spirit came over Mary and Mary became pregnant with Jesus. Jesus was both God and man but did not seem it fitting. To be equal with God so He took upon Himself the nature of a man so He can humbly serve God the Father.

why are you unable to quote those verses in which you took this understand from, it shows you are trying to hide some salient facts.
pls posts those scriptures and lets see who does not understand.
was Jesus both man and fully God when he was born on earth?(hope you will answer)
and pls surpport your answer with scriptures.

John 17, Jesus In vs 5 asks the Father to restore His glory same Glory the Father has (which He shares with no one) because He has completed the work He came to do. Jesus is in heaven as both God and Man.and that is why as man He calls God His God. Maybe this is too hard for dolphinheart to understand since he blv's Jesus is angel Michael. He still hasn't answer the qtn we've been asking him, if they say Jesus is "a god" what kind of God is He? Better to dny Jesys completely than to liken Him to a mere angel, at least Russell knew that. May God forgive them all.

I've quoted those scriptures to you, you refuse to respond to the quote and explanation found there, but you can come again to repeat the same false stories.

If jesus is a god, what kind of God is he?
answer : a mighty one

jesus had to say this about our God
King James Version
Joh 20:17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

the apostles said this about our God

1Co 11:3But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God.

Eph 1:17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him.

Col 1:3[u]We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,[/u] when we pray for you,

1Co 8:5For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,”
1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him

the God that revealed himself to Abraham , the God of isreal, the only one called the almighty God , the most high, whose name is Jehovah is the one God , he is the father of jesus and Jesus told use that he(the father) is the only true god!

solite3:
sincerely dolphins heart you are not making sense.

HOPE YOU CAN ALL SEE THAT HE TOO CAN NOT SAY ANY THING AGAINST THE POINTS I THAT POST. HE COULD NOT QUOTE AND EXPLAIN THE SCRIPTURES FOUND THEIR

Sorry to say. Thank God you have finally agreed that Jesus is a man even in heaven but that's not the whole story,

will you stop lying against me!

Jesus is also God Almighty but not the Father even Russell agreed.I advise you to go back and read slowly our previous quote your questions had been answered, please be guided.

Solite , stop lying you, solite3 , have not answered the questions : meanwhile:
your questions are still pendin sir

Jesus has a God, yes or no,?
Jesus is subjected to that God , yes or no
if Jesus has a God, how can He then be almighty God ?

2. on April 27 jEphz
"for those saying Jesus is God.. pls. explain these Scripture for me ... Ephesians 5:1,2 1timothy 2:5 John 8:42 Act 2:22 Hebrews 12:2...... "

3. April 29
" the God of our Lord Jesus Christ " Eph 1:17, who is the God of Jesus Christ ?

4. "You say Jesus is still a man in heaven, you also say Jesus has a God when he was a man.
NOW DOES Jesus STILL HAVE A GOD IN HEAVEN?"

who anointed Jesus? who is that person to Jesus?
you can see that the questions are numbered, so dnt muddle it up , or give part response

solite3, pls respond to these post if you can( it was posted on may 28, 1: 17pm)

The first verse of Revelation had set a precedent for you to use to examine the whole book, it tells you that "God gave Jesus" the revelation , God did not give himself, Jesus did not give himself, it was God who have Jesus the Revelation. God ( in the book of revelation)and Jesus are not the same person!
verse 4-6 also clears who is who in the Book of revaluation, it helps us to understand that the one who is, who was, and who is coming is different from Jesus Christ.
brocab says it's Jesus, you say it's the father, yet you refuse to discuss and tell the whole world who is right and who is wrong!
to make sure that you dnt confuse yourself on who the al mighty God is, Jesus told you severaly in that book that he has a God! , using the words " my God " several times in that book. I ve several times asked if the almighty can have a god superior to him, cus Jesus had now indicated when he was in heaven, when he came to earth, and when he back in heaven that he has a God! he did not just call that God "a God ", he said "my God", "your god" , "the only true god".

All this facts are presented to you in the Book of Revelation, you could not discuss any of them, but you choose to believe a verse from the Textus Receptus that you can't defend, that you can't show where the Textus Receptus got it from! that majority of scholars have shown to be spurious, that can't be found even in translations of the authors that surpport trinity.
lastly, even if you would not answer the questions being posted to you several times , pls can you tell us the name of your church or organization you associate with at the moment?[/b][/quote]

brocab:
Shut up and just look into the site.

And leave issues that has been hanging for months ! sir, I dnt do things haphazardly.
pls attend to issues at hand:

I brought up and issue on what he said about Jesus when he was on earth, hope you will agree that God's Spirit helped him make such statement too, but knowing you, I believe you will stay as far away from that issue as possible even though you where being mentioned there!

PLS ! ,BROCAB, PROVIDE JUST ONE EXAMPLE WHERE YOU HAD ASKED ME TO EXPLAIN " WHO IT IS" AND ALL IVE DONE IS TO WRITE THE SCRIPTURE DOWN!
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you said this : "But first you need to think about this, "we are Christians" and Christians are not Jehovah witnesses, Christians don't think the same as you, nor do we believe in any of your doctrines."
I asked you :
you dnt believe any of our doctrines? ok , one of the doctrines of jehovahs witnesses doctrine is that followers of Jesus are not supposed to participate in warfare , do you accept this doctrine or you believe that Jesus followers are supposed to participate in warfare, by warfare, I mean war among countries, nationalities, and tribes, e.g the nigerian civil war!
Another teaching is that fornicators, people who deliberately and continuously commit fornication after being found out, are not allowed to be part of
brocab, there are still other isues at hand

1. WRITTEN WHAAAT? pls point to what I've written and post it, anytime I say you said something, I endeavor to direct you to wheee and when you said it, so pls direct me and others to where I said " God and the Word is a two headed god"?
bunch of liars!
2. Brought what back to my attention, I know you desperately want him to bring those words he accused me of saying out, it pains you that he could not, hence you have to find alternatives!
..............................

And yet no response from you on the issue you yourself raised?
also up till now , you have not answered these questions
(ill find that post and point it to you)
......................................

you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture:
[b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.

Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

Examine this questions brocab
1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :
1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9,11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18
17. 2 cor 1:3
18. Eph 1:3
19. 1 pet 1:3
20: 2Cor 8:6
21. 1 cor 15: 27,28
And a host of others
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Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.
Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty!
................................................

YOU HAVE AGAIN ADDED LIES TO YOUR VIEWS.
Lets see if Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him:
[b]King James Version
Joh 20:14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus!
King James Version
Joh 20:15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARGENER, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
I dnt think the disciples would have been able to recognize Jesus more than Mary, she probably would have known Jesus from birth, and the picture of Jesus in her memory would have been sharper than a 100 mega pixel camera!
but here you are , lying again that Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him!
dnt you think Mary should have been able to recognise Jesus instantly if he had been raise in the same body he died in?
* this is a question ill hope you can give us answer to .
Do you notice how Jesus appeared to his disciples who had locked the doors, his actions transcends the physical realm, he appeared to them gram!, in a locked rooM!. yet until he showed them death dealing wound marks, that was when they believed they where swing the Lord.

brocab pls tell us
1. DOES SOME ONE FACE CHANGE WHEN HE OR SHE IS RESSURRECTED WITH THE SAME BODY HE OR SHE DIED IN?
2.DOES SOME ONE GETS RESSURRECTED WITH THE WOUND'S OR INJURIES THAT KILLED HIM?
If your assumptions are true, I bet during the ressurection, we will know those whose throut where slit, cus there will still be a gapping hole in there necks. and those whose brains where blown out will have a hole in their head, cus they will be resurrected with that same body!

before, I digress, let's further examine ya lie.
King James Version
Joh 21:4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: BUT THE DISCIPLES KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus.
john 21: 12 New International Version
Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord.
even after seing Jesus after his resurrecting, after being with Jesus for years, they still do not recognize Jesus at first glance. If Jesus had been resurrected with the same body he had died in, the disciples will have no doubt, they wunt need to even bother to ask the question that dared not to ask, "who are you".
Jesus had just showed them who he is, it is left for us to understand that they still had issues with Jesus physical features, despite knowing that the person inviting theM to a meal is actually Jesus.

I for one believe that only spirits do appear and dissappear at will!
spirits can manifest physical bodies of any liking for any particular purpose, the scriptures is awash with such occurrences, they can even use it to have sex sef!

sir do you ever read the scriptures at all.
It says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God!
human body is flesh and blood!
how then do you espect the king of gods kingdom to have flesh and blood while his Co rulers do not!
how do you expect the physical to rule in the spiritual realm.
brocab, Jesus was a spirit before he came to earth, was he not?
how come , you refuse him his spirit nature when he had accomplished the work he was sent to do here on earth?

HOPE YOU ALL NOW SEE THAT ONCE AGAIN , HE HAS REFUSED TO ADDRESS, COUNTER OR SHOW CONTRARY VIEWS TO THE POINTS LAID DOWN IN MY POST HE QUOTED, HE HAS REFUSED TO EXPLAIN HIS OWN VIEWS ON THE SCRIPTURES QUOTED, HE IS TRYING TO SIDESTEP THEM BY CHANGE THE ISSUE UNDER DISCUSSION

brocab:
Just show me in scripture where it say's the Father sat on His throne? And I can show you in scripture that the one who sat on his throne was Jesus.

are you saying you want to show me that Jesus sat on his father's throne?

I do not need to fully follow you in your new attempt to change the topic, i will only need to show you that Jesus is not the one sitting on the throne, the same throne the most high is seated.
PLS NOTE AGAIN IF HE WILL RESPOND TO THIS SCRIPTURES

[b] REV 5:1-13 (ESV)

1 Then I saw in the right hand of him who was seated on the throne a scroll written within and on the back, sealed with seven seals.
2 And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming with a loud voice, “Who is worthy to open the scroll and break its seals?”
3 And no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll or to look into it,
4 and I began to weep loudly because no one was found worthy to open the scroll or to look into it.
5 And one of the elders said to me, “Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals.”
6 And between the throne and the four living creatures and among the elders I saw a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain, with seven horns and with seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.
7 And he went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who was seated on the throne.
8 And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.
9 And they sang a new song, saying,
“Worthy are you to take the scroll
and to open its seals,
for you were slain, and by your blood you ransomed people for God
from every tribe and language and people and nation,
10 and you have made them a kingdom and priests to our God,
and they shall reign on the earth.”
11 Then I looked, and I heard around the throne and the living creatures and the elders the voice of many angels, numbering myriads of myriads and thousands of thousands, 12 saying with a loud voice,
“Worthy is the Lamb who was slain,
to receive power and wealth and wisdom and might
and honor and glory and blessing!”
13 And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying,
“To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb
be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!”[/b]

NOW LETS SEE IF BROCAB WILL NOW EXPLAIN HOW THE LAMB WHO WAS SLAIN IS THE ONE WHO IS SEATED ON THE THRONE!

readers should note, before you come up with any unbiblical story or before you say Jesus is not the Lamb, pls read this scripture below

[b]Joh 1:29[u]The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and he said: “See, the Lamb of God[/u] who takes away the sin of the world!

1Pe 1:19But it was with precious blood, like that of an unblemished and spotless lamb, that of Christ.

Re 22:16“‘I, Jesus, sent my angel to bear witness to you about these things for the congregations. I am the root and the offspring of David and the bright morning star.’”

Ac 7:55But he, being full of holy spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus standing at God’s right hand,
Ac 7:56and he said: “Look! I see the heavens opened up and the Son of man standing at God’s right hand.”

Ps 110:1Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”

Mt 26:64Jesus said to him: “You yourself said it. But I say to you: From now on you will see [/u]the Son of man sitting at the right hand of power[/u] and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

Da 7:13“I kept watching in the visions of the night, and look! with the clouds of the heavens, someone like a son of man was coming; and he gained access to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him up close before that One.

Ro 8:34Who will condemn them? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that the one who was raised up, who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us.[/b]

READERS NOTE IF HE WILL QUOTE AND EXPLAIN THOSE SCRIPTURES

And if Jesus was never referred to as the Almighty, then theirs a problem with your teachings inside your organisation, Russell himself had written in his manuscripts the Finished Mystery-Jesus approved, Russell does not agree with you, He said {Revelation 1:4-8} these scriptures are talking about Jesus. Like I myself have been saying this all along, so is Russell wrong?

it was a problem that was solved!
you need to quote that and provide source.

meanwhile , issues at hand:
* this will be added in subsequent posts

Ubenedictus:
the bible does mention adelphos of jesuss and even mentions them with mary, but never sons of mary those are facts.

from my facts
jesus had brothers and sisters
jesus brothers are with Mary on a number of occasions
someone with no twisted intentions will agree to the larger possibility that Jesus brothers are actually mary's children.
no other parent was mentioned for this brothers of jesus, they are mostimes with Mary, Jesus mother.
no law stops Mary from having seXual relations with her lawfully wedded husband(in the eyes of God and in the eyes of the law)

again the rant continues.

yep, they are rants that will help one to understand why you hold on to the veneration of Mary and put her in a position that does not have any divine organizational surpport. you gave her a crown God does not like or approve of, and you had to alter God's organizational arrangement to achieve this!

according to the law Jesus was also unclean when he was saving us becos he bled, and he was accursed by the law for dying on a tree. So Jesus was also unclean and even accursed by the law, as his mother wwas unclean at childbirth according to the law.

accused by the law, pls show scriptural proof!

Sorry dear but what does that prove?

are items made Holy ever at any time unclean in the eyes of the law?

brocab:
zodiakzax the main attraction the big mouth of them all is the high an Almighty Dolphinheart had asked to check out C.T. Russell's site below.
Dolphinheart you are more then welcome, now leave me alone.

leave you alone ke!, you are talking about others, using lies and defamation and you dnt want to be left alone!?

well ill leave you alone if you attend to this issues, they have been on ground for months!
issues at hand:

I brought up and issue on what he said about Jesus when he was on earth, hope you will agree that God's Spirit helped him make such statement too, but knowing you, I believe you will stay as far away from that issue as possible even though you where being mentioned there!
PLS ! ,BROCAB, PROVIDE JUST ONE EXAMPLE WHERE YOU HAD ASKED ME TO EXPLAIN " WHO IT IS" AND ALL IVE DONE IS TO WRITE THE SCRIPTURE DOWN!
........................................................

you said this : "But first you need to think about this, "we are Christians" and Christians are not Jehovah witnesses, Christians don't think the same as you, nor do we believe in any of your doctrines."
I asked you :
you dnt believe any of our doctrines? ok , one of the doctrines of jehovahs witnesses doctrine is that followers of Jesus are not supposed to participate in warfare , do you accept this doctrine or you believe that Jesus followers are supposed to participate in warfare, by warfare, I mean war among countries, nationalities, and tribes, e.g the nigerian civil war!
Another teaching is that fornicators, people who deliberately and continuously commit fornication after being found out, are not allowed to be part of
brocab, there are still other isues at hand

1. WRITTEN WHAAAT? pls point to what I've written and post it, anytime I say you said something, I endeavor to direct you to wheee and when you said it, so pls direct me and others to where I said " God and the Word is a two headed god"?
bunch of liars!
2. Brought what back to my attention, I know you desperately want him to bring those words he accused me of saying out, it pains you that he could not, hence you have to find alternatives!
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And yet no response from you on the issue you yourself raised?
also up till now , you have not answered these questions
(ill find that post and point it to you)
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you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture:
[b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.

Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

Examine this questions brocab
1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :
1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9,11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18
17. 2 cor 1:3
18. Eph 1:3
19. 1 pet 1:3
20: 2Cor 8:6
21. 1 cor 15: 27,28
And a host of others
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Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.
Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty!
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YOU HAVE AGAIN ADDED LIES TO YOUR VIEWS.
Lets see if Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him:
[b]King James Version
Joh 20:14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus!
King James Version
Joh 20:15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARGENER, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
I dnt think the disciples would have been able to recognize Jesus more than Mary, she probably would have known Jesus from birth, and the picture of Jesus in her memory would have been sharper than a 100 mega pixel camera!
but here you are , lying again that Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him!
dnt you think Mary should have been able to recognise Jesus instantly if he had been raise in the same body he died in?
* this is a question ill hope you can give us answer to .
Do you notice how Jesus appeared to his disciples who had locked the doors, his actions transcends the physical realm, he appeared to them gram!, in a locked rooM!. yet until he showed them death dealing wound marks, that was when they believed they where swing the Lord.

brocab pls tell us
1. DOES SOME ONE FACE CHANGE WHEN HE OR SHE IS RESSURRECTED WITH THE SAME BODY HE OR SHE DIED IN?
2.DOES SOME ONE GETS RESSURRECTED WITH THE WOUND'S OR INJURIES THAT KILLED HIM?
If your assumptions are true, I bet during the ressurection, we will know those whose throut where slit, cus there will still be a gapping hole in there necks. and those whose brains where blown out will have a hole in their head, cus they will be resurrected with that same body!

before, I digress, let's further examine ya lie.
King James Version
Joh 21:4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: BUT THE DISCIPLES KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus.
john 21: 12 New International Version
Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord.
even after seing Jesus after his resurrecting, after being with Jesus for years, they still do not recognize Jesus at first glance. If Jesus had been resurrected with the same body he had died in, the disciples will have no doubt, they wunt need to even bother to ask the question that dared not to ask, "who are you".
Jesus had just showed them who he is, it is left for us to understand that they still had issues with Jesus physical features, despite knowing that the person inviting theM to a meal is actually Jesus.

I for one believe that only spirits do appear and dissappear at will!
spirits can manifest physical bodies of any liking for any particular purpose, the scriptures is awash with such occurrences, they can even use it to have sex sef!

sir do you ever read the scriptures at all.
It says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God!
human body is flesh and blood!
how then do you espect the king of gods kingdom to have flesh and blood while his Co rulers do not!
how do you expect the physical to rule in the spiritual realm.
brocab, Jesus was a spirit before he came to earth, was he not?
how come , you refuse him his spirit nature when he had accomplished the work he was sent to do here on earth?

brocab:
No more lies dolphinheart you are deceiving yourself.

it is you that need's to stop lying, stop changing the issues under discussion whenever you are being exposed, stop being blind to scriptures being posted to you.

Finely you had answered {Revelation 1:4} by Charles Russell's view who is, who was, and who is to come, isn't the same as your answer, Russell believes the Almighty is Jesus and not the Father.

Ive not only explained rev 1,4, I've explained rev 1:1,4-8, Rev 3:2,12 , and heb 1:9.
This scriptures you had been asked months ago to explain, but you have shown to be INCAPABLE of doing so!, always trying to shift the topic whenever you are asked to do so .
pls since you have read Russell's book, pls post what he wrote, since you have been proven to be liar.

even your friend solite3 have told you that the person who is who was and who is to come is the father , but you say it's a different person entirely , you say it's Jesus . you can only
to prove this by not reading verse 1,5 and 6 of rev chapter 1, you know that if you ever dared to quote it and explain it, you will be exposed with your own words! , hence you refused to quote and EX plain it.

excerpts from a Web page :
Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ , which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must shortly take place; and He sent and communicated {it} by His angel to His bond-servant John. (NAS)

GOD gave the revelation TO Jesus Christ; if Jesus was truly “God” why does he need another “God” to give him the revelation? This fact alone proves Jesus Christ is lesser in knowledge than God. The Trinitarian camp and the Jesus is God camp simply cannot explain Revelation 1:1. Put another way, let’s illustrate by changing names and replacing them with simple modern ones:
· The Revelation of Bob, which Sam gave him…
In this example, Sam gave Bob the revelation; if we use the Jesus is God logic, the sentence would read, “The Revelation of Bob, which Bob gave to himself…” I know it’s an absurd choice of examples, and that’s my point. To say Jesus is “God” based on the context is flat out contradictory. I want to continue examining the verses that precede verse 8 because the context clearly establishes 1:8 is NOT referring to Jesus Christ but rather God the Father, who IS the ONLY Almighty (Pantokrátœr) in the New Testament.

Revelation 1:2 who bore witness to the word of God AND to the testimony of Jesus Christ , even to all that he saw. (NAS)

The contrast between God Almighty and Jesus the man in Revelation 1:2 is the use of the conjunction, “ AND,” which serves to join two distinctly separate phrases. The word “ AND ” separates the phrase, “the word of God,” from the phrase, “the testimony of Jesus.” The apostle John, bore witness to distinct separate beings; God Almighty and Jesus the man.

Next in verses 4-6 he again makes the distinction between different three separate personages. I have color coded the verse to show clearly the distinctive differences; Blue = God Almighty ; Purple = the seven spirits and Red = Jesus the man,firstborn from among the DEAD (NOTE, God cannot ever be “born” or be “dead”). The dissimilarity between God and Jesus is the them all thru the Book of Revelation, as you will see.

Revelation 1:4-6 John TO the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from Him (God the Father) who is and who was and who is to come ; AND from the seven Spirits who are before His throne ; AND from Jesus Christ , the faithful witness, the first-born of the dead, AND the ruler of the kings of the earth . To him (Jesus) who loves us, and released us from our sins by his blood , AND he (Jesus) has made us to be a kingdom, priests to his God and Father; to him (God the Father) be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen. (NAS)
John writes his apocalypse in very clear terms; he addresses the “seven churches” in Asia, and then qualifies exactly to whom and from WHOM each message was given. First he gives supreme recognition to God the Father by addressing Him as, “Him who is and who was and who is to come.” Many Christians mistake this phrase as referring to Jesus without carefully reading the grammatical structure of the paragraph. The paragraph reads, “…Him who is and who was and who is to come AND FROM Jesus Christ.”

The words, “ and from ,” are used as a conjunction but also to differentiate between three separate parties mentioned; by definition a conjunction not only joins phrases but also divides and separates. This alone PROVES Jesus is not the same as God, and later, in Revelation 1:8, this is verified. The message is TO the seven churches and FROM the following THREE parties:

· From Him who is and who was and who is to come
· AND from the seven Spirits who are before His throne
· AND from Jesus Christ the first-born of the dead AND the ruler of the kings of the earth

Notice carefully the word “from” is omitted after the conjunction “AND” the ruler of the kings…” The reason for this is quite simple; the message is not “from” a fourth party, but this is a second role description of Jesus who is the “ruler” of the kings of “earth.”
Notice he is not called the ruler of the kings in “heaven.” Also, FYI the word “ruler” aptly defined means, “magistrate.”
To verify this meaning, look at the definition of a magistrate from Noah Webster’s 1828 dictionary, which was written in the same era as most all other Bible reference tools such as Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance of the Old & New Testaments, Englishman’s Hebrew & Greek Concordances and many more. Therefore the 1828 version of Webster’s is more apt to convey the most accurate meaning of magistrate or in Revelation 1:5, “the ruler,” as used by the translators of most modern Bibles.
MAGISTRATE, n. [L. magistratus, from magister, master; magis, major, and ster, Teutonic steora, a director ; steoran , to steer; the principal director.] A public civil officer, invested with the executive government of some branch of it. In this sense, a king is the highest or first magistrate, as is the President of the United States .
But the word is more particularly applied to subordinate officers, as governors, intendants, prefects, mayors, justices of the peace, and the like. The magistrate must have his reverence; the laws their authority. MAGISTRATIC adjective = Having the authority of a magistrate.
Now refer to the actual Greek word used in Revelation 1:5 for “ruler” and you will see it is defined as one vested with authority and therefore subordinate to a higher power; in other words, Jesus is the ruler of the earthly kings but he is a glorified man and therefore subordinate to the Father who alone is God Almighty.
Rev 1:5 - “ruler” = archon NT: 758; present participle of NT: 757; a first ( in rank or power ):KJV - chief (ruler), magistrate , prince, ruler . (Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright (c) 1994, Biblesoft and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

God the Father, who is also known as Yahweh in the OT, is the One, “who is,” because in Exodus 3:14 He tells Moses His name, saying, “I AM THAT I AM.” This is an incomplete translation of the Hebrew wording, “Ehyeh Asshur Ehyeh.” This Hebrew term is more accurately translated as, “ I exist {present tense} as what I AM, and what I have always existed as {in the past tense}, and what I will continue to exist as {in the future}.” This Hebrew phrase matches the Greek equivalent description in Revelation 1:4 perfectly as, “ Him who is {in the present} and who was {in the past} and who is to come {in the future}.” .
Jesus cannot be God Almighty if he is the firstborn from among the dead! Second, in order of rank and importance, John writes concerning Jesus by calling him, “the faithful witness, the first-born of the dead,” who, “released us from our sins by his blood .” Again as mentioned earlier, God cannot die, nor does He have blood like a man.
In Revelation 1:5 Jesus is not God BECAUSE he made a kingdom of priests to, “ his God .”
Jesus has made his church to be a kingdom, priests, “ to his God and Father.” How could Jesus be “God” in heaven if his kingdom belongs to, “ his God and Father?”
John says that Jesus released us from our sins through his blood , and made us to be “priests” to “ his God .” A “priest” is someone that mediates or reconciles men to God; therefore a priest cannot be God . As we continue our context leading up to Revelation 1:8 in Revelation 1:7 we find that Jesus was pierced in the side & God cannot be pierced! Why? Because God is SPIRIT.

Revelation 1:7 Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him ; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over him. Even so.
Amen. (NAS)

Revelation 1:7 refers to Jesus Christ as a man, not as God, because 1:6 says Jesus released us from our sins, “ by his blood ” (an obvious reference to his crucifixion). The kingdom of “God” is NOT flesh and “blood,” which means this passage refers to Jesus as a man. Also, the text deals with Christ’s future “coming” in which “every eye will see him, even those who pierced him .” Jesus is not God because God cannot be pierced, primarily because God is a Spirit being and He does not have a body of flesh and bones that can be punctured by nails or spears. Proof? The following verses help clarify and punctuate this point:
John 4:23-24 “But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” (NAS)
John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time . The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him. (NKJV)
Genesis 1:1-2 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 And the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep; and
the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters. NAS

If Jesus is God and every eye will see him, doesn’t that contradict John 1:18 that says, “ No one has seen God at any time ?” Obviously God has been a “Spirit,” since the very beginning, as illustrated in Genesis 1:1. Jesus reveals the Father to us, because he is a man in submission to the SPIRIT of God, and therefore we learn of the invisible God’s character or likeness (i.e. – What God is “like” such as His compassion, mercy, forgiveness, etc.) through the example of the MAN.

Okay, now I will answer your question about Revelation 1:8; you asked me:
Why is Jesus called “the Almighty” in Revelation 1:8?
The answer is that Revelation 1:8 is NOT Jesus speaking; it is the Father God speaking, as I will prove from the text internal evidence:
Revelation 1:8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega ,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty .” (NAS)

The MAIN reason this verse is God speaking and not Jesus is the phrase, “the Lord God…the Almighty.” Jesus Christ is NEVER referred to as the “Almighty.” Not one single place in the entire New Testament can you find Jesus described as the “Almighty” One; the Greek word for Almighty is “Pantokrator,” and means, “All ruling one.”
Furthermore Revelation 1:8 is a reference to God the Father (aka in the OT as Yahweh, Elohim, El, Eloah, etc) as the Creator, who is He that was in the beginning (alpha) and end of everything (omega) which has been created, including the creation of His son Jesus (read Genesis. 1:1).

I don’t know where Christians get it in the head that alpha and omega have anything to do with deity. It may stem from using only the King James Version, a Bible that has so many flaws in its Greek translation it should never be held as credible for the serious student of scripture. Below is the KJV rendering of Revelation 1:8 and I have
highlighted in red the words erroneously added by the KJV translators:

Revelation 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending ,” saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. KJV

The New King James Version makes the following disclosure concerning the words, “ the beginning and the ending,” in its notations for Revelation 1:8 (see below):
Revelation 1:8 * The NU-Text and M-Text omit, “the Beginning and the End.” (NKJV)

Since the best manuscripts eliminate altogether the words, the beginning and the end,” I will not bother taking time to define them. However, if you are familiar with the Textus Receptus, which is the Greek manuscript used by the KJV translators, you will discover that much of what they relied on for their Greek text originated from Erasmus’ work and we know historically the Roman Catholic church pressured him to insert words and phrases by providing him with eleventh century Latin Mss that had been altered or doctored to validate their theological position concerning the trinity.......


.......ALMIGHTY = NT: 3841 pantokratoor, pantokratoros, ho; he who holds sway over all things; the ruler of all; almighty: used of God , 2 Corinthians 6:18 ( From Thayer's Greek Lexicon , Electronic Database. Copyright (c) 2000 by Biblesoft)
ALMIGHTY = NT: 3841 pantokrátœr; gen. pantokrátoros, masc. noun from pás (3956), all, every, and krátos (NT: 2904), power, strength, dominion. Ruler over all, omnipotent, almighty, spoken only of God as in 2 Corinthians 6:18; Revelation 1:8; 4:8; 11:17; 15:3; 16:7,14; 19:6,15; 21:22. ( From The Complete Word Study Bible and The Complete Word Study Dictionary : New Testament Copyright © 1991, 1992, 1994, 2002 AMG International, Inc.)

Because Revelation 1:4 uses the identical phrase as 1:8, “who is and who was and who is to come,” when referring to God, neither of these applies to the MAN Christ Jesus.
Revelation 1:8 simply embellishes the phrase in Revelation 1:4 by adding further details as to the IDENTITY of Him, “who is and who was and who is to come.”
To demonstrate my point I have taken Revelation 1:4 & Revelation 1:8 and grouped them next to each other (below) and used highlighted words to illustrate similarities.
Compare the two verses and you will see how accurate this conclusion is:

Revelation 1:4 From Him who is and who was and who is to come and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne. NAS
Revelation 1:8 “ I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty .” NAS

Both verses use the phrase, “who is and who was and who is to come,” and this is strong indication they refer to the same individual. Revelation 1:4 mentions ownership of, “His throne,” whereas Revelation 1:8 shows His identity as the, “Lord God,” and also as, “the Almighty.”

.... One area of confusion for many Christians is Revelation 1:11. The problem is that the King James Version ADDS words that are not found in any of the early and best manuscripts. The KJV differs from other translations by blatantly ADDING the phrase at the start of Revelation 1:11, “I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last.” We can only speculate why the King James translators decided to use the late date Latin manuscripts that erroneously add this to the text, but even the revised King James version known today as, “The New King James Version,” makes the following notation concerning this phrase in Revelation 1:11:
Revelation 1:11 * The NU-Text and M-Text omit, “I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and,” (NKJV)

............... In fairness to the translators of the KJV perhaps we should assume they were just following the Textus Receptus, which has hundreds if not thousands of problems.
One can only speculate, but it appears the KJV translators wanted to make a clear connection between the phrases “Alpha and Omega” and “the first and the last,” and whatever the individual theological position of the translators on the King James committee, the KJV certainly corroborates the view that Christ was “God.” Trinitarian influences no doubt played some role, since the Church of England espouses Jesus Christ as, ‘God the son’ (i.e. - the second person of the Trinity; a co-equal God person, along with the person of the Father & the Holy Spirit). A ridiculous notion indeed!.......

..........Today, it is the preconceived notion and doctrinal prejudice of Christian theologians that defines, “the Alpha and Omega,” as “God,” in Revelation 1:11 and their stubborn ways to use only the KJV because it adds, ‘the first and the last,’ to the text. There are enough credible manuscripts and study tools available for a person to find the correct answers. Throughout its dark and sordid past, the Roman Catholic Church concealed the scriptures from the masses, but there has always been a few people had the passion, drive and the courage to challenge doctrinal prejudices.
Nowadays, people ARE beginning to ask questions. No longer does everyone accept status quo and the advent of Bible software have made comparing Bible translations much easier...........

But this argument of yours is finished, I am blessed by the Lord sending Zodiakzax to pass on the message I needed most.

zodiakzax also passed a message about Jesus being man, I pointed you to his statement, but you refused to respond to it as predicted. just like in Russell's case , you take the part that you think surpports your case and go blind to the ones that you have issues with . This is the same method you had applied to reading the scriptures , you are quick to quote scriptures that you think will surpport your views, but when scriptures that shows you are wrong are posted to you, instant blindness occurs and you refuse to see it, talk less of quoting and explainING.

YOUR AIM IS JUST TO FIND FAULT BY ANY MEANS POSSIBLE WHILE REFUSAL TO OFFER ANY ALTERNATIVES!

I didn't really need to here it from you, who Christ is, I just wanted to hear it from a JW, and I had accepted Russell's teachings, and he is "the grand JW their was. So this case is closed.
You are just another fly on the wall dolphinheart you were there while it lasted.

you can close any case you want using any means you want, but everyone knows you can't quote those scriptures, neither can you Answer those questions.
* for space purpose, I've omitted those issues at hand.

READERS SHOULD NOTE THAT HE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO REFUTE THE POINTS ABOVE

brocab:
How good it this dolphinheart you are back in action,

I have never gone out of action before, no whinch me bad thing!

again this isn't about you dolphinheart, this time we are talking about Russell and about his teachings you refuse to believe, as you can see we have different doctrines, Russell's doctrine is different from your doctrine.

it is not about me but you could say "we are talking about Russell and about his teachings you refuse to believe" Haba! , when it's now about me, what will you say.
brocab , you ones claimed my doctrine is different from that of the organizations doctrine, I asked you to provide one of their present doctrines that is different from mine. you have failed to do so.

Russell believes Jesus is the Almighty, he also believes Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega in {Revelation 1:8, 21:6, 22:13}
So you are right I don't believe in your doctrine of lies. And It shows someone has to believe in some of Russell's teachings, obviously you have forgotten who your master, teacher and founder is.

you sha want to force founder on me sha, well it's the only way your views could have some meaning, but note, the organization has told you who their founder is!, argue it all you want!

Because you yourself had denied Christ, and refusing to explain who the Alpha and the Omega is, then of course Russell had to come to the rescue and save the day.

YOU ARE A LIAR BROCAB!, IVE DONE THAT MULTIPLE TIMES ON THIS THREAD AND ON EACH OCCASION MENTIONED YOU MULTIPLE TIMES.

It is you who have for months refused to quote and explain scriptures in which jesus was mentioned!

He had answered my questions clearly-only because of your refusal C. T. Russell agree's that {Revelation 1:8} is talking about Christ, and of course I myself agree with some of Russell's teachings on the bible, then It's right for me to back the man up on these few issues.

your teachings are false , that's why you can quote and explain rev 1:1,4-6. The person that did so said the one who is , who was and who is to come is the father!.

After reading some of the Finish Mystery of Russell's manuscripts it shows clearly today's JW's had left his teachings behind. Instead of agreeing with the man 'you have all turned after Satan.

are you sure you read it, I dnt think so.

The old argument is finished, the new argument is about to start, is Jesus the archangel Michael? Or is the archangel Michael Jesus the Pope?
So from now on dolphinheart it is best for you to quote your own lies to your own master the devil himself. You may have lost your way-trying to find the lies you seek, you won't find it amongst us Christians. Unless you are searching what is truth, and you need us Christians to help you find that truth in Christ? "Amen"

note: he attacks an organization but refuses to give alternatives
he refuses to respond to issues raised or answer questions he is asked !

we never ever had an old argument , all I'm requestING of you is to respond to to the issues at hand:


I brought up and issue on what he said about Jesus when he was on earth, hope you will agree that God's Spirit helped him make such statement too, but knowing you, I believe you will stay as far away from that issue as possible even though you where being mentioned there!

PLS ! ,BROCAB, PROVIDE JUST ONE EXAMPLE WHERE YOU HAD ASKED ME TO EXPLAIN " WHO IT IS" AND ALL IVE DONE IS TO WRITE THE SCRIPTURE DOWN!
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you said this : "But first you need to think about this, "we are Christians" and Christians are not Jehovah witnesses, Christians don't think the same as you, nor do we believe in any of your doctrines."

I asked you :
you dnt believe any of our doctrines? ok , one of the doctrines of jehovahs witnesses doctrine is that followers of Jesus are not supposed to participate in warfare , do you accept this doctrine or you believe that Jesus followers are supposed to participate in warfare, by warfare, I mean war among countries, nationalities, and tribes, e.g the nigerian civil war!
Another teaching is that fornicators, people who deliberately and continuously commit fornication after being found out, are not allowed to be part of

brocab, there are still other isues at hand
1. WRITTEN WHAAAT? pls point to what I've written and post it, anytime I say you said something, I endeavor to direct you to wheee and when you said it, so pls direct me and others to where I said " God and the Word is a two headed god"?
bunch of liars!
2. Brought what back to my attention, I know you desperately want him to bring those words he accused me of saying out, it pains you that he could not, hence you have to find alternatives!
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And yet no response from you on the issue you yourself raised?
also up till now , you have not answered these questions
(ill find that post and point it to you)
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you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture:
[b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.
Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

Examine this questions brocab
1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :
1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9,11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18
17. 2 cor 1:3
18. Eph 1:3
19. 1 pet 1:3
20: 2Cor 8:6
21. 1 cor 15: 27,28
And a host of others
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Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.
Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty!
................................................

YOU HAVE AGAIN ADDED LIES TO YOUR VIEWS.
Lets see if Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him:
[b]King James Version
Joh 20:14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus!
King James Version
Joh 20:15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARGENER, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
I dnt think the disciples would have been able to recognize Jesus more than Mary, she probably would have known Jesus from birth, and the picture of Jesus in her memory would have been sharper than a 100 mega pixel camera!
but here you are , lying again that Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him!
dnt you think Mary should have been able to recognise Jesus instantly if he had been raise in the same body he died in?
* this is a question ill hope you can give us answer to .
Do you notice how Jesus appeared to his disciples who had locked the doors, his actions transcends the physical realm, he appeared to them gram!, in a locked rooM!. yet until he showed them death dealing wound marks, that was when they believed they where swing the Lord.

brocab pls tell us
1. DOES SOME ONE FACE CHANGE WHEN HE OR SHE IS RESSURRECTED WITH THE SAME BODY HE OR SHE DIED IN?
2.DOES SOME ONE GETS RESSURRECTED WITH THE WOUND'S OR INJURIES THAT KILLED HIM?
If your assumptions are true, I bet during the ressurection, we will know those whose throut where slit, cus there will still be a gapping hole in there necks. and those whose brains where blown out will have a hole in their head, cus they will be resurrected with that same body!
before, I digress, let's further examine ya lie.
King James Version
Joh 21:4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: BUT THE DISCIPLES KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus.
john 21: 12 New International Version
Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord.
even after seing Jesus after his resurrecting, after being with Jesus for years, they still do not recognize Jesus at first glance. If Jesus had been resurrected with the same body he had died in, the disciples will have no doubt, they wunt need to even bother to ask the question that dared not to ask, "who are you".
Jesus had just showed them who he is, it is left for us to understand that they still had issues with Jesus physical features, despite knowing that the person inviting theM to a meal is actually Jesus.
I for one believe that only spirits do appear and dissappear at will!
spirits can manifest physical bodies of any liking for any particular purpose, the scriptures is awash with such occurrences, they can even use it to have sex sef!
sir do you ever read the scriptures at all.
It says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God!
human body is flesh and blood!
how then do you espect the king of gods kingdom to have flesh and blood while his Co rulers do not!
how do you expect the physical to rule in the spiritual realm.
brocab, Jesus was a spirit before he came to earth, was he not?
how come , you refuse him his spirit nature when he had accomplished the work he was sent to do here on earth?

zodiakzax:
sorry dude, you have no case. Of course watch tower will deny his teaching, do you know why? Bcs the Devil is a confused being himself. Russell was right in somethings and wrong in some, what we are saying is. he at least had the sanity to know that Jesus is God and the Holy Spirit is a person etc. But of course WTS will deny it bcs their father is of the devil. Hmmm my friend, I can only pray for you, don't you see you are being deceived? The JW's on the link we shared were very concerned about the finished mystery and some by the mercies and grace of God have turned to Jesus their God and Saviour. May God open your eyes

HOPE YOU CAN SEE THAT YOU REFUSED TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE I RAISED.
I replied you in your post to be , but it seems you dnt want to reply when I explained things to you with the scriptures , neither do you want to comment on the issues raised or quote and share your views on the scriptures that I quoted to you.

I do not dwell or discuss much on personal opinions about people and organization's. you accept and reject some of Russell's teaching even though you had no clue how he came about it. but you are ready to abuse others who do same cus they later became members of that same organization's he was part of.
I showed an example of what the scriptures they had at that time had done, that it removed God's name in most places where it occurred in the scriptures, you also could not respond to that!

I'll also try to continue my explanations on the scriptures you quoted soon, sorry for the delay.

brocab:
Interesting? I will get a lot of good reading from the Finished Mystery book, while reading down the page I had found this to be interesting-Russell's meat in due season.
It say's this "To talk with a Jehovah witness in our day will usually mean that the identity of our Lord Jesus will be readily reduced far below the truth found in the bible regarding His deity. But strangely Charles Taze Russell Believed Jesus is the Almighty in {Revelation 1:8 This was the very few times that Russell was correct in his teachings about Jesus}
This just shows the world the JW's don't follow after their own leadership C. T. Russell today, and I find it Interesting to know the JW's on this page would place themselves in full view to the world, by admitting they are willing to lower themselves by lying for the public to see, and of course they had denied their very own founder Mr Russell's teachings.
The JW's are willing to lower themselves to every creeping thing that crawls on this earth.
Case is closed dolphinheart, Jesus Christ is the Almighty God, written and signed in full by your high and mighty Charles. T. Russell himself.
I advised the JW's to look up C. T. Russell's teachings and match it up with the bible and study what the truth is.

I do not trust your words brocab, you have been proven to lie mostimes, so you need to provide sources ok.

Secondly you believe Russell when it suits you and refuse to believe him when it does not suit you, I prefer to examine each of what he said, compare it with the scriptures, and then reach my own conclusions!
I've explained what rev 1:7,8 said , I used the scriptures to explain it. you could not falter my explanations , you could not offer any contrary explanations.

meanwhile , these issues has not been adressed by you :

PLS ! ,BROCAB, PROVIDE JUST ONE EXAMPLE WHERE YOU HAD ASKED ME TO EXPLAIN " WHO IT IS" AND ALL IVE DONE IS TO WRITE THE SCRIPTURE DOWN!
........................................................

you said this : "But first you need to think about this, "we are Christians" and Christians are not Jehovah witnesses, Christians don't think the same as you, nor do we believe in any of your doctrines."

I asked you :
you dnt believe any of our doctrines? ok , one of the doctrines of jehovahs witnesses doctrine is that followers of Jesus are not supposed to participate in warfare , do you accept this doctrine or you believe that Jesus followers are supposed to participate in warfare, by warfare, I mean war among countries, nationalities, and tribes, e.g the nigerian civil war!
Another teaching is that fornicators, people who deliberately and continuously commit fornication after being found out, are not allowed to be part of

brocab, there are still other isues at hand
1. WRITTEN WHAAAT? pls point to what I've written and post it, anytime I say you said something, I endeavor to direct you to wheee and when you said it, so pls direct me and others to where I said " God and the Word is a two headed god"?
bunch of liars!
2. Brought what back to my attention, I know you desperately want him to bring those words he accused me of saying out, it pains you that he could not, hence you have to find alternatives!
..............................

And yet no response from you on the issue you yourself raised?
also up till now , you have not answered these questions
(ill find that post and point it to you)
......................................

you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture:
[b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.
Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

Examine this questions brocab
1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :
1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9,11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18
17. 2 cor 1:3
18. Eph 1:3
19. 1 pet 1:3
20: 2Cor 8:6
21. 1 cor 15: 27,28
And a host of others
.............................................

Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.
Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty!
................................................

YOU HAVE AGAIN ADDED LIES TO YOUR VIEWS.
Lets see if Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him:
[b]King James Version
Joh 20:14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus!
King James Version
Joh 20:15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARGENER, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
I dnt think the disciples would have been able to recognize Jesus more than Mary, she probably would have known Jesus from birth, and the picture of Jesus in her memory would have been sharper than a 100 mega pixel camera!
but here you are , lying again that Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him!
dnt you think Mary should have been able to recognise Jesus instantly if he had been raise in the same body he died in?
* this is a question ill hope you can give us answer to .
Do you notice how Jesus appeared to his disciples who had locked the doors, his actions transcends the physical realm, he appeared to them gram!, in a locked rooM!. yet until he showed them death dealing wound marks, that was when they believed they where swing the Lord.
brocab pls tell us
1. DOES SOME ONE FACE CHANGE WHEN HE OR SHE IS RESSURRECTED WITH THE SAME BODY HE OR SHE DIED IN?
2.DOES SOME ONE GETS RESSURRECTED WITH THE WOUND'S OR INJURIES THAT KILLED HIM?
If your assumptions are true, I bet during the ressurection, we will know those whose throut where slit, cus there will still be a gapping hole in there necks. and those whose brains where blown out will have a hole in their head, cus they will be resurrected with that same body!
before, I digress, let's further examine ya lie.
King James Version
Joh 21:4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: BUT THE DISCIPLES KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus.
john 21: 12 New International Version
Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord.
even after seing Jesus after his resurrecting, after being with Jesus for years, they still do not recognize Jesus at first glance. If Jesus had been resurrected with the same body he had died in, the disciples will have no doubt, they wunt need to even bother to ask the question that dared not to ask, "who are you".
Jesus had just showed them who he is, it is left for us to understand that they still had issues with Jesus physical features, despite knowing that the person inviting theM to a meal is actually Jesus.
I for one believe that only spirits do appear and dissappear at will!
spirits can manifest physical bodies of any liking for any particular purpose, the scriptures is awash with such occurrences, they can even use it to have sex sef!
sir do you ever read the scriptures at all.
It says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God!
human body is flesh and blood!
how then do you espect the king of gods kingdom to have flesh and blood while his Co rulers do not!
how do you expect the physical to rule in the spiritual realm.
brocab, Jesus was a spirit before he came to earth, was he not?
how come , you refuse him his spirit nature when he had accomplished the work he was sent to do here on earth?

brocab:
Praise the Lord it just shows how the Lord works in each of us Christians, and bless zodiakzax's heart, that the Spirit of God had used him to open up this great page, for us all to see.
Dolphinheart you need to check this sight out before we go any further with this conversation below

brocab, I know you will use any means posSible so that you will not answer those questions or respond to those scriptures. For pages and pages, month over month, you have tried different methods to change the issues so that you wunt answer the questions and wunt quote and explain the scriptures posted to you. This is a new one you want to use again, IT WILL NOT WORK BROCAB, I WILL NOT STOP ASKING YOU TO EXPLAIN THOSE SCRIPTURES.

You have tried lies, it did not work, you have tried twisting my words, it did not work, you have tried to attack my personality, using defamation tactics, but it still did not work. Now you bring up a book I've never read, written about a hundred years ago, over things they no longer believe in, which you yourself do not believe in, so that it will help you in your quest of not quoting and explaining certain scriptures. you want to discuss a book , yet you vehemently refused to quote and explain certain verses in Gods word.

you claim that the spirit of God used zodiakzax, but the spirit you claim to be in you cannot help you to quote and explain those scriptures posted to you or answer those questions that are based on what you had earlier said.

I brought up and issue on what he said about Jesus when he was on earth, hope you will agree that God's Spirit helped him make such statement too, but knowing you, I believe you will stay as far away from that issue as possible even though you where being mentioned there!

brocab, answer those questions and respond to those scriptures you have been asked for months and tens of pages on the this thread, then we can move on to this issue you bring up. stop searching for excuses!

Charles Russell had made you look like complete fools, everything you have written on this page-you had lied from the beginning.

for Your mind!

Chapter 3-Charles Russell himself agree's the Alpha and the Omega is Jesus, {Revelation 1:8, 21:6 and 22:13 {P.55, P 318, P 336} does this prove brocab was right and dolphinheart was wrong once again? Interesting.
Russell had turned this conversation upside down, this shows his leadership and studies into bible literature doesn't really matter any longer concerning the JW's.
Meaning your bible scholars had completely changed Russell's manuscripts. And with this website Russell said In chapter 5-there's no need to learn the Hebrew or the Greek language to gain a correct understanding of the bible since the Presbyterians and the Methodists have a good version of the bible {P-55}.
But I like this one" Chapter 24-Michael the archangel is the Pope of Rome. "And Not Jesus" which you all claim Him to be...
It seems your bible scholars had decided to change history, this is got to be upsetting for you all, everything you have written had been a waste of time, but it's not your fault dolphinheart, you have been taught the lie, rather then the truth.
{Matthew 23:13} "Woe unto you scribes and Pharisees hypocrites, you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men, for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.

Trying to rewrite a new bible, is a no-no in the Lords eye's. Your leadership had knowing you suckers will follow after the lie, more then the truth, this is your chance to seek the truth 'go with some of Russell's teachings, and know the truth?
Your bible scholars are lairs, they had completely changed Russell's manuscripts and it's leading you all to hell.
Don't be fools seek the word of God, and come and join with us, we stand in God's army, the larges army there is' in the kingdom of God.
If your bible scholars had changed history and disagree's against Russell's teachings, what other lies have you and your collies been taught over the years you have been faithful towards your organisations.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/206938/finished-mystery-1917-book-jesus-approved

you are a very cunning fellow brocab, trying to pit Russell's works against the watchtower later works and then claiming both are lies, cus if you are asked if you surpport all ressell said, you will start stammering.

This is what the watchtower said:

"The modern-day organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses began at the end of the 19th century. At that time, a small group of Bible students who lived near Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, in the United States, began a systematic analysis of the Bible. They compared the doctrines taught by the churches with what the Bible really teaches. They began publishing what they learned in books, newspapers, and the journal that is now called The Watchtower—Announcing Jehovah’s Kingdom.

Among that group of sincere Bible students was a man named Charles Taze Russell. While Russell took the lead in the Bible education work at that time and was the first editor of
The Watchtower , he was not the founder of a new religion. The goal of Russell and the other Bible Students, as the group was then known, was to promote the teachings of Jesus Christ and to follow the practices of the first-century Christian congregation. Since Jesus is the Founder of Christianity, we view him as the founder of our organization.— Colossians 1:18-20 ."

Did Russell make mistakes? yes!
must one continue in those mistakes when one has been guided to the truth? no
so now if the organization humbly changes there beliefs as a result of further carefull examination of the scriptures, does it mean they are liars ? no!

the kjv was in existence for a while, it was used by some christians during the 1800's and 1900's, but with the discovery of older , more reliable manuscripts , and with the discovery of the dead sea scrolls , it was discovered that several additions where made to the scriptures. example of these is rev 1:11 which, if reading from the kjv would have led one to believe that Jesus is also called alpha and omega. bible students of that time too would have had this problem, thus reaching a wrong conclusion.
This older and more reliable manuscripts have helped a lot, there are a lot more manuscripts available now to examine and cross check, it has been found that the words "alpha and omega" found in rev 1:11 are spurious additions to the scriptures.

you accuse jehovahs witnesses of changing the scriptures, but when the same change is shown to you from translations from other translators who believe in trinity, you refuse to accept it.
you say their scholars are liars, but when the same conclusion is reached by majority of other scholars as to some verses in the scriptures , you still refuse to accept.

you must have wondered why most of the critical texts do not agree with the kjv, why most translations also do not, and why the kjv deliberately removed the name of God from most places it occured from its translation. but you will not go into it, cus what you will find their will affect your present beliefs. that removal of gods name from the bible has affected gods people then, and it's still affectin some now!
zodiakzax , pls tell, is it good to remove gods name from the bible and replace it with something else ?

READERS SHOULD NOTICE , THAT WHILE HAPPY TO ATTACK THE JEHOVAHS WITNESSES , THEY HAVE NOT OFFERED ANY OTHERS ALTERNATIVES

brocab your issues are still awaiting your response:

PLS ! ,BROCAB, PROVIDE JUST ONE EXAMPLE WHERE YOU HAD ASKED ME TO EXPLAIN " WHO IT IS" AND ALL IVE DONE IS TO WRITE THE SCRIPTURE DOWN!
........................................................
you said this : "But first you need to think about this, "we are Christians" and Christians are not Jehovah witnesses, Christians don't think the same as you, nor do we believe in any of your doctrines."
I asked you :
you dnt believe any of our doctrines? ok , one of the doctrines of jehovahs witnesses doctrine is that followers of Jesus are not supposed to participate in warfare , do you accept this doctrine or you believe that Jesus followers are supposed to participate in warfare, by warfare, I mean war among countries, nationalities, and tribes, e.g the nigerian civil war!
Another teaching is that fornicators, people who deliberately and continuously commit fornication after being found out, are not allowed to be part of
brocab, there are still other isues at hand
1. WRITTEN WHAAAT? pls point to what I've written and post it, anytime I say you said something, I endeavor to direct you to wheee and when you said it, so pls direct me and others to where I said " God and the Word is a two headed god"?
bunch of liars!
2. Brought what back to my attention, I know you desperately want him to bring those words he accused me of saying out, it pains you that he could not, hence you have to find alternatives!
..............................
And yet no response from you on the issue you yourself raised?
also up till now , you have not answered these questions
(ill find that post and point it to you)
......................................
you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture:
[b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.
Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.
Examine this questions brocab
1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.
brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :
1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9,11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18
17. 2 cor 1:3
18. Eph 1:3
19. 1 pet 1:3
20: 2Cor 8:6
21. 1 cor 15: 27,28
And a host of others
.............................................
Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.
Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty!
................................................
YOU HAVE AGAIN ADDED LIES TO YOUR VIEWS.
Lets see if Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him:
[b]King James Version
Joh 20:14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus!
King James Version
Joh 20:15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARGENER, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
I dnt think the disciples would have been able to recognize Jesus more than Mary, she probably would have known Jesus from birth, and the picture of Jesus in her memory would have been sharper than a 100 mega pixel camera!
but here you are , lying again that Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him!
dnt you think Mary should have been able to recognise Jesus instantly if he had been raise in the same body he died in?
* this is a question ill hope you can give us answer to .
Do you notice how Jesus appeared to his disciples who had locked the doors, his actions transcends the physical realm, he appeared to them gram!, in a locked rooM!. yet until he showed them death dealing wound marks, that was when they believed they where swing the Lord.
brocab pls tell us
1. DOES SOME ONE FACE CHANGE WHEN HE OR SHE IS RESSURRECTED WITH THE SAME BODY HE OR SHE DIED IN?
2.DOES SOME ONE GETS RESSURRECTED WITH THE WOUND'S OR INJURIES THAT KILLED HIM?
If your assumptions are true, I bet during the ressurection, we will know those whose throut where slit, cus there will still be a gapping hole in there necks. and those whose brains where blown out will have a hole in their head, cus they will be resurrected with that same body!
before, I digress, let's further examine ya lie.
King James Version
Joh 21:4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: BUT THE DISCIPLES KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus.
john 21: 12 New International Version
Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord.
even after seing Jesus after his resurrecting, after being with Jesus for years, they still do not recognize Jesus at first glance. If Jesus had been resurrected with the same body he had died in, the disciples will have no doubt, they wunt need to even bother to ask the question that dared not to ask, "who are you".
Jesus had just showed them who he is, it is left for us to understand that they still had issues with Jesus physical features, despite knowing that the person inviting theM to a meal is actually Jesus.
I for one believe that only spirits do appear and dissappear at will!
spirits can manifest physical bodies of any liking for any particular purpose, the scriptures is awash with such occurrences, they can even use it to have sex sef!
sir do you ever read the scriptures at all.
It says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God!
human body is flesh and blood!
how then do you espect the king of gods kingdom to have flesh and blood while his Co rulers do not!
how do you expect the physical to rule in the spiritual realm.
brocab, Jesus was a spirit before he came to earth, was he not?
how come , you refuse him his spirit nature when he had accomplished the work he was sent to do here on earth?

brocab:
DOES THIS MEAN, YOU REFUSE TO WRITE {REVELATION 1:7-8}, AND OF COURSE I MISS OUT ONCE AGAIN?

No sir, I've done it TWICE! sir, and on each occasion, I mentioned you more than ten times so you will be able to see it.
pls dnt miss out pls check the thread again, also check your mentions, you will see it there, they are not posts you should miss out on!

but meawhile , this issues need your attention :


PLS ! ,BROCAB, PROVIDE JUST ONE EXAMPLE WHERE YOU HAD ASKED ME TO EXPLAIN " WHO IT IS" AND ALL IVE DONE IS TO WRITE THE SCRIPTURE DOWN!

........................................................

you said this : "But first you need to think about this, "we are Christians" and Christians are not Jehovah witnesses, Christians don't think the same as you, nor do we believe in any of your doctrines."

I asked you :
you dnt believe any of our doctrines? ok , one of the doctrines of jehovahs witnesses doctrine is that followers of Jesus are not supposed to participate in warfare , do you accept this doctrine or you believe that Jesus followers are supposed to participate in warfare, by warfare, I mean war among countries, nationalities, and tribes, e.g the nigerian civil war!
Another teaching is that fornicators, people who deliberately and continuously commit fornication after being found out, are not allowed to be part of

brocab, there are still other isues at hand
1. WRITTEN WHAAAT? pls point to what I've written and post it, anytime I say you said something, I endeavor to direct you to wheee and when you said it, so pls direct me and others to where I said " God and the Word is a two headed god"?
bunch of liars!

2. Brought what back to my attention, I know you desperately want him to bring those words he accused me of saying out, it pains you that he could not, hence you have to find alternatives!
..............................

And yet no response from you on the issue you yourself raised?
also up till now , you have not answered these questions
(ill find that post and point it to you)
......................................

you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture:
[b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.

Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

Examine this questions brocab
1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.
brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :
1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9,11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18
17. 2 cor 1:3
18. Eph 1:3
19. 1 pet 1:3
20: 2Cor 8:6
21. 1 cor 15: 27,28
And a host of others
.............................................

Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.
Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty!
................................................

YOU HAVE AGAIN ADDED LIES TO YOUR VIEWS.
Lets see if Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him:
[b]King James Version
Joh 20:14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus!
King James Version
Joh 20:15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARGENER, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
I dnt think the disciples would have been able to recognize Jesus more than Mary, she probably would have known Jesus from birth, and the picture of Jesus in her memory would have been sharper than a 100 mega pixel camera!
but here you are , lying again that Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him!
dnt you think Mary should have been able to recognise Jesus instantly if he had been raise in the same body he died in?
* this is a question ill hope you can give us answer to .
Do you notice how Jesus appeared to his disciples who had locked the doors, his actions transcends the physical realm, he appeared to them gram!, in a locked rooM!. yet until he showed them death dealing wound marks, that was when they believed they where swing the Lord.
brocab pls tell us
1. DOES SOME ONE FACE CHANGE WHEN HE OR SHE IS RESSURRECTED WITH THE SAME BODY HE OR SHE DIED IN?
2.DOES SOME ONE GETS RESSURRECTED WITH THE WOUND'S OR INJURIES THAT KILLED HIM?
If your assumptions are true, I bet during the ressurection, we will know those whose throut where slit, cus there will still be a gapping hole in there necks. and those whose brains where blown out will have a hole in their head, cus they will be resurrected with that same body!
before, I digress, let's further examine ya lie.
King James Version
Joh 21:4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: BUT THE DISCIPLES KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus.
john 21: 12 New International Version
Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord.
even after seing Jesus after his resurrecting, after being with Jesus for years, they still do not recognize Jesus at first glance. If Jesus had been resurrected with the same body he had died in, the disciples will have no doubt, they wunt need to even bother to ask the question that dared not to ask, "who are you".
Jesus had just showed them who he is, it is left for us to understand that they still had issues with Jesus physical features, despite knowing that the person inviting theM to a meal is actually Jesus.
I for one believe that only spirits do appear and dissappear at will!
spirits can manifest physical bodies of any liking for any particular purpose, the scriptures is awash with such occurrences, they can even use it to have sex sef!
sir do you ever read the scriptures at all.
It says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God!
human body is flesh and blood!
how then do you espect the king of gods kingdom to have flesh and blood while his Co rulers do not!
how do you expect the physical to rule in the spiritual realm.
brocab, Jesus was a spirit before he came to earth, was he not?
how come , you refuse him his spirit nature when he had accomplished the work he was sent to do here on earth?

I have deliberately tried to keep the posts organised, and I did that by numbering earth have of the points under discussion, I think your refusal to point or use those numbers to point to which of the issues you are having issues with is a deliberate attempt to scatter the issues, so that wunt easily know which particular issue you are talking about.

zodiakzax:
like I said, you are confused... I just can't stop laughing at your explanations. A learned person after the truth will diligently dissect my scriptures,

I'm sorry, I can't help your inability to stop laughing. I quoted the scriptures you could not quote, I explained them to you, telling you what they are saying, I also went further to give more scriptures that will give more insight on that particular issue, I numbered each issue so that it wunt get muddled up with others . NOW IF THIS IS NOT DISSECTING ENOUGH, I WONDER WHAT IS,maybe your view of dissecting is to just post part of the verses you believe surpports your doctrines.

so far, who has:
1. refuse to quote the scriptures he was using to defend his doctrine? you
2. refused to tell, share his own view, or explain the scriptures he has been shown? you
3. refused to follow an ordered format? you!

and see that Jesus is said to have the attributes only God says He has. And I told you that, Jesus is said to be the creator of the world, and it is by Him and through Him that ALL things were created.

@ bolded , sir, pls let us endeavor not to add lies to our discussion! pls .

God says I by myself laid the foundation of the earth. He could have said I by My Son or I by my Word laid the foundation of the earth,but He said I by my OWN Hand laid the foundation of the world. Heb 1:10, God saith of the Son, that "thou,Lord in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the works of thine hands:"

if you had read my post with all seriousness, you would have seen the answers to these statements. Since you have refused to quote and explain the scriptures I have shown you, it seems you know the truth, but want it covered!
look at the bolded again, " God said of the son" , how do you think the one who is talking about another person now be the same as the person he talking about?
pls read heb 1: 1,2 again

King James Version
Heb 1:1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

is God the prophets? no , the prophets where messengers of God!
why then do you think God spoke through himself in the next verse?

King James Version
Heb 1:2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

but then you keep on quoting John 17 (I don't even know why you do that) it Is clear that Jesus was praying as a Man when he prayed that prayer.

sir, I've only qouted one verse of John 17, and that is verse three, you failed to mention which issue I mentioned john chapter 17, if you are reffering to the issue of saints, John chapter 17 helps with that!
as a man, who was jesus praying to ?, he was praying to God!

In vs 4 of. John 17, did Jesus not tell God that He had finished the work which God gave Him to do? Did He come as God to do God's work? No. He came as a man to do God's work ( and that is wht is confusing you guys). Then in vs 5 did He not tell the Father to glorify Him with the Father's own Glory? Which God says he shares with no one? Him calling the Father the one true God, doesn't it make sense to you? That Jesus as a man Has a God?

sir, I've advised that you take time out, read the scriptures carefully, and read my explanations very well before you jump into conclusions
1. you yourself have with your own mouth acknowledge that Jesus was talking to God, therefore Jesus is not God that he was talking to .
2. Jesus did tell God that he had finished the work God gave him to do, this again shows that Jesus is not God who gave him work to do .

3. your statement : "Did He come as God to do God's work? No. He came as a man to do God's work ( and that is wht is confusing you guys)" , is part of the issues under discussion, I do agree with you totally!, but ill also state that " jesus also did not come as a god to do God's work", so as you can see, it's not confusing me.
But note sir, that some people do not agree with you, and they are not jehovahs witnesses. They state that Jesus is fully God when he was on earth!. brocab surpports that view, and I suspect solite3 does too!
now can these two conflicting beliefs come from the sAme camp?
I'll wait to see if these issue will be adressed!

4. you asked : "Then in vs 5 did He not tell the Father to glorify Him with the Father's own Glory?"

did Jesus say the above? no, this is what jesus said notice the underlined)
john 17:5

New International Version
And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

English Standard Version
And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.

did Jesus receive this glory, when he went back to heaven, to gods presence? yes
did this glory make him God almighty, the most high God? no , he sat down at the right hand of God, the most high, the almighty, the one who commanded him to do so!

so sir, you need to go and examine the scriptures again.

5. you said Jesus called the father the one true God ,this I also agree with, dNT know why you think I have confusion with it.
look at this scripture:
[b]1 cor 8:5,6: “Although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth—as indeed there are many ‘gods’ and many ‘lords’—yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.”
This presents the Father as the “one God” of Christians and as being in a class distinct from Jesus Christ.!

now one question ill like to ask you, and I do hope you answer, is jesus still a man at this moment or he is no longer a man?

Look honestly I have lost respect for you,your brethren and your organisation. I mean why would you change scripture to suit your doctrine? One appalling one is Heb 1:8. And I don't really Reply to ur comments bcs you make no sense. Sorry

I will handle that verse soon, but on my comments: even if you dnt reply to the things I said, pls respond to the scriptures I quoted!

brocab:
FOR SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T WANT TO BE LISTENED TOO, LOOK AT THE SIZE OF YOUR PAGE, THIS ALONE IS TELLING EVERYONE YOU WANT THE WORLD TO SEE ITS ABOUT YOU AND IT SHOWS IT'S NOT ABOUT CHRIST.

so in your world , the size of the post determines the intention of the writer, well you are right in a way, my post is getting larger cus you refused to attend to them, expecially the scriptures about Jesus you are being asked to quote and explain.

As the world can see below, you continual to mock the word of God, and of course I refuse to answer any of your silly questions below, with what information I give to you, won't be the answers you are seeking, even if the truth is written in the bible.

keep on giving excuses, you can't answer them sir, cus you know that answering them will expose your doctrines as lies!. The world can also see that apart from the questions and issues raised, there are also scriptures he refused to quote and explain!

The blind don't see, what the blind don't know.

but some cases are worse, refusing to see, qoute and explain even when they know it!

You call yourself a Jehovah Witness then you should already know "what your answers will be".
Now explain {Revelation 1:7:8} and explain it to me, write it directly to me on this page. not to others, I need to hear it straight out of the horses mouth-who is coming, and who is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last, and I Am He that lives, and was dead, and behold I Am alive forevermore. And I have the keys of Hades and death.

AGAIN I TELL YOU BROCAB, GOD WILL JUDGE BETWEEN ME AND YOU ON THIS ISSUE OF REV 1: 78. IVE EXPLAIN ED THOSE VERSES, INCLUDING REV 1:1,4-6, REV 3:2,12 AND HEB 1:9.
YOU REFUSED TO RESPOND TO THOSE POSTS, LATER YOU CLAIM ED YOU DID NOT SEE THEM, THAT I SHOULD SHOW THEM TO YOU AGAIN. I POINTED THE PAGE AND WHEN IT WAS POSTED TO YOU, YOU SAID THAT I SHOULD POST IT AGAIN, I DID SO AGAIN, A SECOND TIME! POINTING TO THE FATHER THAT I HAD, LIKE THE FIRST TIMES, MENTIONED YOU THERE SO THAT YOU WUNT CLAIM THAT YOU DID NOT SEE IT !

THE WORLD CAN NOW SEE WHO IS DELIBERATELY BLIND!

As to the bolded, I've asked you twice to show the scripture where you got those words from, so that i can quote it and explain it ,but you refused to do so!

Anybody can write the scriptures down, without explaining who this is, I had asked you to explain who it is, and of course you had refused to do your job explaining who this is, you had only written the scripture down on paper not explaining who is this scripture talking about?

PLS ! ,BROCAB, PROVIDE JUST ONE EXAMPLE WHERE YOU HAD ASKED ME TO EXPLAIN " WHO IT IS" AND ALL IVE DONE IS TO WRITE THE SCRIPTURE DOWN!

This just shows you are full of yourself, and shame on you, Mr Jehovah Witness.
Once you have explained this, then we will go on to the next paragraph, for you to explain where in the bible does it say the archangel Michael was delivered to earth by God to be His Son Jesus Christ.
If you could answer this simple question, then we haven't anything to argue about any longer.

brocab, I'm not the one who had been talking about himself throughout this thread, as for the arch angel issue, we will get to that, but for now I see it as another desperate attempt to change the topic under discussion, cus there are still issues at hand for you to respond to, let's clear them first!

issues at hand:
you said this : "But first you need to think about this, "we are Christians" and Christians are not Jehovah witnesses, Christians don't think the same as you, nor do we believe in any of your doctrines."

I asked you :
you dnt believe any of our doctrines? ok , one of the doctrines of jehovahs witnesses doctrine is that followers of Jesus are not supposed to participate in warfare , do you accept this doctrine or you believe that Jesus followers are supposed to participate in warfare, by warfare, I mean war among countries, nationalities, and tribes, e.g the nigerian civil war!
Another teaching is that fornicators, people who deliberately and continuously commit fornication after being found out, are not allowed to be part of

brocab, there are still other isues at hand
1. WRITTEN WHAAAT? pls point to what I've written and post it, anytime I say you said something, I endeavor to direct you to wheee and when you said it, so pls direct me and others to where I said " God and the Word is a two headed god"?
bunch of liars!

2. Brought what back to my attention, I know you desperately want him to bring those words he accused me of saying out, it pains you that he could not, hence you have to find alternatives!
..............................

And yet no response from you on the issue you yourself raised?
also up till now , you have not answered these questions
(ill find that post and point it to you)
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you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture:
[b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.

Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

Examine this questions brocab
1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.
brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :
1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9,11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18
17. 2 cor 1:3
18. Eph 1:3
19. 1 pet 1:3
20: 2Cor 8:6
21. 1 cor 15: 27,28
And a host of others
.............................................

Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.
Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty!
................................................

YOU HAVE AGAIN ADDED LIES TO YOUR VIEWS.
Lets see if Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him:
[b]King James Version
Joh 20:14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus!
King James Version
Joh 20:15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARGENER, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
I dnt think the disciples would have been able to recognize Jesus more than Mary, she probably would have known Jesus from birth, and the picture of Jesus in her memory would have been sharper than a 100 mega pixel camera!
but here you are , lying again that Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him!
dnt you think Mary should have been able to recognise Jesus instantly if he had been raise in the same body he died in?
* this is a question ill hope you can give us answer to .
Do you notice how Jesus appeared to his disciples who had locked the doors, his actions transcends the physical realm, he appeared to them gram!, in a locked rooM!. yet until he showed them death dealing wound marks, that was when they believed they where swing the Lord.
brocab pls tell us
1. DOES SOME ONE FACE CHANGE WHEN HE OR SHE IS RESSURRECTED WITH THE SAME BODY HE OR SHE DIED IN?
2.DOES SOME ONE GETS RESSURRECTED WITH THE WOUND'S OR INJURIES THAT KILLED HIM?
If your assumptions are true, I bet during the ressurection, we will know those whose throut where slit, cus there will still be a gapping hole in there necks. and those whose brains where blown out will have a hole in their head, cus they will be resurrected with that same body!
before, I digress, let's further examine ya lie.
King James Version
Joh 21:4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: BUT THE DISCIPLES KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus.
john 21: 12 New International Version
Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord.
even after seing Jesus after his resurrecting, after being with Jesus for years, they still do not recognize Jesus at first glance. If Jesus had been resurrected with the same body he had died in, the disciples will have no doubt, they wunt need to even bother to ask the question that dared not to ask, "who are you".
Jesus had just showed them who he is, it is left for us to understand that they still had issues with Jesus physical features, despite knowing that the person inviting theM to a meal is actually Jesus.
I for one believe that only spirits do appear and dissappear at will!
spirits can manifest physical bodies of any liking for any particular purpose, the scriptures is awash with such occurrences, they can even use it to have sex sef!
sir do you ever read the scriptures at all.
It says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God!
human body is flesh and blood!
how then do you espect the king of gods kingdom to have flesh and blood while his Co rulers do not!
how do you expect the physical to rule in the spiritual realm.
brocab, Jesus was a spirit before he came to earth, was he not?
how come , you refuse him his spirit nature when he had accomplished the work he was sent to do here on earth?

This made me remember my operation at LUTH, I rejected blood being used during the operation, though the operation was postponed for a little while, they eventually agreed to do it and I survived it, still alive till today.
A man beside me did the same operation, he had his before mine and took blood, the operation was successful , but the blood killed him!

zodiakzax:
(13)To God, every knee will bow and every tongue confess (Isa 45:22 23), to Jesus, every knee will bow and every tongue confess (Phil 2:10-- 11),

(13)sir , it is good to read the scriptures and understand what it says, it is not always good to take snippets out of it and use it to form a doctrine. now let's look at the scriptures you mentioned and see why it's not good to concluDe things by taking part of it and ignoring the rest.

Isa 45:22Turn to me and be saved, all the ends of the earth, For I am God, and there is no one else.
Isa 45:23By myself I have sworn; The word has gone out of my mouth in righteousness, And it will not return: To me every knee will bend, Every tongue will swear loyalty

Php 2:10[/u]so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend[/u]—of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground
Php 2:11and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
I do hope you read the scriptures well this time expecially the underlined .
Does this verses above mean, imply or tell us that jesus is same person as God ? no , for the previous verse has seperated God and Jesus and protected the words from beING manipulated.

Php 2:9For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and KINDLY GAVE HIM THE NAME that is above every other name
hope you get the above, God gave jesus a name , God exalted jesus to a superior position than the position jesus had before, it is that name that every one will bow, to the glory of who? God!
did the verse call jesus God? no , it says "and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord

I hope you remember the scriptures that says we have one God , the Father, and one Lord , Jesus?

talking about bowing down to someone and who we are really bowing down to, the following scriptures might help , but if you still have issues you might bring it up.

[b]Isa 52:13Look! My servant will act with insight. He will be raised up high, He will be elevated and greatly exalted.

Ac 2:32, 33[u]God resurrected this Jesus,[/u] and of this we are all witnesses.
33Therefore, because he was exalted to the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out what you see and hear.

Isa 55:10, 11For just as the rain and the snow pour down from heaven And do not return there until they saturate the earth, making it produce and sprout, Giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater,
11So my word that goes out of my mouth will be. It will not return to me without results, But it will certainly accomplish whatever is my delight, And it will have sure success in what I send it to do.

Joh 5:22, 23For the Father judges no one at all, but he has entrusted all the judging to the Son,
23[u]so that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.[/u]

Ro 10:9For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved.[/b]

(14)God is the same and his years will have no end (Ps 102:27), Jesus is the sme and his years will have no en d (Heb 1:12),

(14)Ps 102:27But you are the same, and your years will never end.

Heb 1:12and you will wrap them up just as a cloak, as a garment, and they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will never come to an end.”

the verses above is a continuation if the verses about creation, it has been previously explained to you about their roles in creation, that both have no end does not mean they are the same thing!
Jas 1:17Every good gift and every perfect present is from above, coming down from the Father of the celestial lights, who does not vary or change like the shifting shadows.

(15)God is immutable (Mal 3:6), Jesus is immutable (Heb 13:8 ,

[b](16)Mal 3:6“For I am Jehovah; I do not change. And you are sons of Jacob; you have not yet come to your finish.

Heb 13:8Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today, and forever[/u]
Does the above verses mean they are the same person? no, this qualities that both of them have assures us that what they told us will not change.
example of what they said :

[b]King James Version
Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

King James Version
Joh 17:3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

to be continued later...............

brocab:
From the truth

sir, I'm not backing away from the truth!

brocab:
Then if you aren't pushing for me to believe in your doctrine, then why are you harassing me to answer the scriptures?

the questions will show if you are telling the truth or not, you refusal to answer then shows you are trying to hide something!
so far so good, those questions has been exposing your false teachings, again I state that it's not only questions you failed to answer , you have so far failed woefully in quoting and explaining certain scriptures!

You say you had answered all scriptures "I or we" have given you, and yet you still refuse to re-answer {Revelation 1:7-8}
So stop lying the world can see-your name posted throughout this page. Everyone of us already knows you aren't a true believer in Christ, so what do you want?

GOD WILL BE THE JUDGE BETWEEN ME AND YOU ON THESE ISSUE, IVE POSTED , POINTED TO YOU, MENTIONED YOUR NAME SEVERAL TIMES WHEN I EXPLAIN ED TO YOU REV 1:1,4-6,7,8; REV 3:2,12, AND HEB 1:9. IVE DONE IT TWICE ON THESE THREAD ! TWIIICE!, YOU REFUSED TO RESPOND TO ANY OF IT!

Christ said In {Matthew 10:14} Who ever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, then shake the dust of your feet and leave.

some of the scriptures I wanted you to quote and explain are jesus own words, but you refuse to do so .

And of course you are that one who will not receive the word of God.
Diffidently not from the KJ's bible, you had slandered this bible, calling it a lie from the beginning, claiming the New World Translation bible holds the truth about who Christ is.

YOU HAVE STATE LYING AGAIN!

Which I find this theory out of range because none of you JW's ever use your bibles to bring out the true facts about the word of God.

sir, I told you several times to use any translation you want to quote and explain the scriptures I asked you to qoute and explain, you are here still arguing about translations while still refusing to quote and explain those scriptures.

You want us to listen to you, then speak the truth about Christ dolphinheart, this isn't about you, it's about the word of God.

I dnt want "us" to listen to me , I want you brocab, to quote and explain the scriptures I posted to you, or are those scriptures not the word of God again?

issues at hand:

you said this : "But first you need to think about this, "we are Christians" and Christians are not Jehovah witnesses, Christians don't think the same as you, nor do we believe in any of your doctrines.

I asked you :
you dnt believe any of our doctrines? ok , one of the doctrines of jehovahs witnesses doctrine is that followers of jesus are not supposed to participate in warfare , do you accept this doctrine or you believe that Jesus followers are supposed to participate in warfare, by warfare, I mean war among countries, nationalities, and tribes, e.g the nigerian civil war!

Another teaching is that fornicators, people who deliberately and continuously commit fornication after being found out, are not allowed to be part of

brocab, there are still other isues at hand

1. WRITTEN WHAAAT? pls point to what I've written and post it, anytime I say you said something, I endeavor to direct you to wheee and when you said it, so pls direct me and others to where I said " God and the Word is a two headed god"?
bunch of liars!

2. Brought what back to my attention, I know you desperately want him to bring those words he accused me of saying out, it pains you that he could not, hence you have to find alternatives!
..............................

And yet no response from you on the issue you yourself raised?
also up till now , you have not answered these questions
(ill find that post and point it to you)

......................................

you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture:
[b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.

Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

Examine this questions brocab
1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :
1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9,11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18
17. 2 cor 1:3
18. Eph 1:3
19. 1 pet 1:3
20: 2Cor 8:6
21. 1 cor 15: 27,28

And a host of others
.............................................

Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.
Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty!
................................................


YOU HAVE AGAIN ADDED LIES TO YOUR VIEWS.
Lets see if Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him:
[b]King James Version
Joh 20:14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus!
King James Version

Joh 20:15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARGENER, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.

I dnt think the disciples would have been able to recognize Jesus more than Mary, she probably would have known Jesus from birth, and the picture of Jesus in her memory would have been sharper than a 100 mega pixel camera!
but here you are , lying again that Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him!
dnt you think Mary should have been able to recognise Jesus instantly if he had been raise in the same body he died in?
* this is a question ill hope you can give us answer to .
Do you notice how Jesus appeared to his disciples who had locked the doors, his actions transcends the physical realm, he appeared to them gram!, in a locked rooM!. yet until he showed them death dealing wound marks, that was when they believed they where swing the Lord.

brocab pls tell us
1. DOES SOME ONE FACE CHANGE WHEN HE OR SHE IS RESSURRECTED WITH THE SAME BODY HE OR SHE DIED IN?
2.DOES SOME ONE GETS RESSURRECTED WITH THE WOUND'S OR INJURIES THAT KILLED HIM?
If your assumptions are true, I bet during the ressurection, we will know those whose throut where slit, cus there will still be a gapping hole in there necks. and those whose brains where blown out will have a hole in their head, cus they will be resurrected with that same body!
before, I digress, let's further examine ya lie.
King James Version
Joh 21:4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: BUT THE DISCIPLES KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus.
john 21: 12 New International Version
Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord.
even after seing Jesus after his resurrecting, after being with Jesus for years, they still do not recognize Jesus at first glance. If Jesus had been resurrected with the same body he had died in, the disciples will have no doubt, they wunt need to even bother to ask the question that dared not to ask, "who are you".
Jesus had just showed them who he is, it is left for us to understand that they still had issues with Jesus physical features, despite knowing that the person inviting theM to a meal is actually Jesus.

I for one believe that only spirits do appear and dissappear at will!
spirits can manifest physical bodies of any liking for any particular purpose, the scriptures is awash with such occurrences, they can even use it to have sex sef!
sir do you ever read the scriptures at all.
It says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God!
human body is flesh and blood!
how then do you espect the king of gods kingdom to have flesh and blood while his Co rulers do not!
how do you expect the physical to rule in the spiritual realm.
brocab, Jesus was a spirit before he came to earth, was he not?
how come , you refuse him his spirit nature when he had accomplished the work he was sent to do here on earth?

zodiakzax:
really? Okay let's just say I didn't read it well, lemme ask you, why is Jesus called the Eternal Father or Everlasting Father? Pls explain.

you are just showing once more that you did not read the post well, read it again, expecially where I mentioned why jesus will be called evalasting father!

And like I said you are not making sense that's why I am not re quoting or replying to most of your explanations.

I see these as an excuse not to examine the scripture quote to you.

So from what you are saying I am to assume that God anointed Jesus to create or gave Him power to create and sustain all things by the power of His word when He (God) said He alone laid the foundations of the world or maybe I still didn't read your post well. Hmmm..

again this shows you did not read my post.
even if you will refuse to read my post, can you qoute those scriptures I posted and tell me what you think they are saying?

zodiakzax:
there's nothing to bear with since you are still not making sense.

sir, tell us your views about those scriptures I quoted and lets see if it does not make sense.

Those scriptures were given for u to see the similarity between God and Jesus. God says He will do this Jesus says the same thing, God says He will come with His saints, Jesus said He will come with His saints etc if Jesus is not God why then does He do the samething God does?

hope you read the scriptures I posted, read John chapter 17 and you will know more about those who god gave to Jesus .

Why has He been called God and the names of God in Isa ?

because he is a God , a mighty one!, but he is not almighty God!
I Do not understand what you mean by " names of god" pls explain.

God says I alone laid the foundation of the world and sustain it by His power. Jesus also created the world and sustains all things by the power of His Word. What do you make of that.

I believe I've explained the issue of creation to you, did you read the scriptures I pointed and quoted to you? cus I'm beginning to think you do not read those scriptures, you read some, but refuse to read others that give further info.

God use the phrase first and last, Jesus used the same phrase, first and last. Why would He use that phrase if He's not God? When you are done explaining what ever you want to explain pls do explain Rev 22:16 for me. Thank you

a king in babyLon used the same phrase used for Jesus, does that mean he is jesus? no
the scriptures had made it clear who they are, you can thu conclude they are the same person.

look at this,
God commanded jesus to sit at his right side,
Jesus sat at God's right side
Stephen saw the two of them in a vision

but you want to claim they are the same person cus of similarities in phrases used for them, is this not an indirect way to alter what the scriptures had directly told us. The scriptures I quoted to you seperated jesus from God when talking about both of them, but you refuse to see and examine them.

Re 22:16“‘I, Jesus, sent my angel to bear witness to you about these things for the congregations. I am the root and the offspring of David and the bright morning star.’”

As “the faithful and true witness,” Jesus bears testimony to the completion of the sacred secret concerning the kingdom, saying: “I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright morning star.” He is David’s permanent heir, the eternal one in the Kingdom covenant and the one foretold at numbers 24 :17

I will see him, but not now;
I will behold him, but not soon.
A star will come out of Jacob,
And a scepter will rise out of Israel.
And he will certainly break apart the forehead of Moʹab
And the skull of all the sons of tumult.

All efforts by Satan, the wild beast, and Babylon the Great (read rev 12: 1-12, but ill quote verse 12
King James Version
Re 12:10And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
* sir, almighty God anointed Christ, he is not Christ!
also read rev 17:3-14)
they have therefore been unable to prevent this “star” from rising out of the house of David to sit down on the throne in the heavens forever.

Jer 23:5“Look! The days are coming,” declares Jehovah, “when I will raise up to David a righteous sprout. And a king will reign and show insight and uphold justice and righteousness in the land.

Jer 33:15In those days and at that time I will cause to sprout for David a righteous sprout, and he will execute justice and righteousness in the land.

Re 5:5But one of the elders said to me: “Stop weeping. Look! The Lion of the tribe of Judah, the root of David, has conquered so as to open the scroll and its seven seals.”
* sir, the one who will raise and the one he raised are not the same person.
hope you read about the had the scroll and who collected it from his hand!
the person who collected and the person who had the scroll are not the same!

zodiakzax:
have you read your answers? Does it even make sense to you?

Ithe does sir, and to lots of others too, I deliberately numbered each one so that you can easily point to the one you feel does not make sense, where you can make known your views about the scriptures quoted . but you have so far, pointed to none, and you have not shown contrary opinion to my views.

I've given you those scriptures and comparisons bcs Jesus did what God alone can do.

and I've shown you , with scriptures , why jesus could do such!, so therefore, the Pharisees belief that only God can do it is wrong, cus God can allow or anoint anyone to do such after being given pOwer from God to do such, no wonder jesus attributes those wonderful works to his father!
If the father had not given jesus the authority to judge, Jesus would not judge!

And please Jesus was never addressed as our Father because it was through Him eternal life came from. John 15 Christ called the apostles brethren. We are joint -heirs with Him. He asked us to call God Father. Where did you get that info from. Give me one scripture that says Jesus was called Father? He's everlasting Father same us God.

you are making the same mistake you made to my first post on these issues, you did not read my post well well.(hope you have read that post well now, cus I've not seen your response yet)
I never said Jesus was adressed as father, I said Jesus will be called "eternal father" for a reason, and not because he is the same person as the father. unless you want to tell us that that verse in Isa is not for Jesus Christ.

Micah 5:2(ISV):

As for you, Bethlehem of Ephrathah, even though you remain least among the clans of Judah, nevertheless, the one who rules in Israel for me will emerge from you. His existence has been from antiquity, even from eternity.

And He's the Mighty God. Wanted to see if you guys interpret it as mighty god. You don't even know what you are doing. Satan is always limited in his wisdom.

where this part of the issues you raised, I only attended to the issues you raised, let us not digress as if we are just trying to find fault by any means.

brocab:
How brain dead do you sound, most of these questions you ask-don't make any sense, you don't believe in the divine nature Jesus had with His Father and His Father's Spirit, so how can we continual to answer any of your questions?

1. answer the question brocab, and stop giving excuses
2. stop lying brocab, on several occasions I've explained divine nature to you, posts in which you refuse to reply to , only to make the allegations several pages later.
3. stop making false analogy brocab, tell us where the holy has same divine nature with jesus ?

Firstly I can't answer all your questionnaire in a flash of time, you have been pestering us Christians to answer these questions for you, and when we try to explain them, you turn them away, or twist them around to sound to your needs.

1. The questions have been asked months ago, there is no flash here!
2. I'm not pestering "us christians ," I'm asking you brocab!, the questions are directed to you brocab and not "us christians".
3. Who is "we" that you have been mentioning since sef?, I did not ask "we " anything, I asked brocab, and brocab has refused to answer.
not only had you refused to answer, you have also refused to quote and explain certain scriptures posted to you.

So what is it 'you want, what is your point, what do you want from us?

I did not ask anything from "us"

I have told you already you need to slow down on your questionnaires, and give us some meanings to your questions. When I read though your page, none of it makes any sense, you change from one verse to another, and I am finding it hard to keep up with the times.

the questions are mostly numbered and spaced.
The scriptures verses you where asked to quote and explain has not changed.

You need to slow down and ask yourself What your needs are? And how can we Christians be at service to you?
It shows in every page' you had refused every scripture we have provided for you, this only proves you don't believe in the word of God, so what is your point? You really need to ask yourself what kind of answers you are searching for.

it as been explicit from the beginning: " pls brocab, answer the questions and pls brocab , quote and explain this scriptures!

do I refuse any scripture you have provided to me ? no , most times I quote and explain them!

But first you need to think about this, "we are Christians" and Christians are not Jehovah witnesses, Christians don't think the same as you, nor do we believe in any of your doctrines.

in ya mind!
you dnt believe any of our doctrines? ok , one of the doctrines of jehovahs witnesses doctrine is that followers of jesus are not supposed to participate in warfare , do you accept this doctrine or you believe that Jesus followers are supposed to participate in warfare, by warfare, I mean war among countries, nationalities, and tribes, e.g the nigerian civil war!

Another teaching is that fornicators, people who deliberately and continuously commit fornication after being found out, are not allowed to be part of the congregation. do you agree with these or not?

So if you are pushing us to agree with you about anything on this matter, we can't because the Holy Spirit has a strong hold over us, because we have chosen to believe in Christ and everything about Christ. This is what a Christian is all about, "believing. Where you seem to have trouble in, believing the truth about Who Christ is.
The Spirit of God won't allow His own" to believe you, nor believe in your doctrine. Plus none of it makes any sense to have any dealings with God.
It is the Holy Spirit who teaches us all things concerning Christ. One must be born again before he can enter into the kingdom of God, As I said we are Christians, and Christians don't chase after the lies you JW's seek.
The bible teaches us that Jesus Christ is Lord, He did not come to earth as the archangel Michael, nor did He return to heaven the same way.

Nop, I'm not pushing for you to agree with me, that is far from my aim.

brocab, there are still isues at hand:

1. WRITTEN WHAAAT? pls point to what I've written and post it, anytime I say you said something, I endeavor to direct you to wheee and when you said it, so pls direct me and others to where I said " God and the Word is a two headed god"?
bunch of liars!

2. Brought what back to my attention, I know you desperately want him to bring those words he accused me of saying out, it pains you that he could not, hence you have to find alternatives!
..............................

And yet no response from you on the issue you yourself raised?
also up till now , you have not answered these questions
(ill find that post and point it to you)

......................................

you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture:
[b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.

Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

Examine this questions brocab
1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :
1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9,11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18
17. 2 cor 1:3
18. Eph 1:3
19. 1 pet 1:3
20: 2Cor 8:6
21. 1 cor 15: 27,28

And a host of others
.............................................

Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.
Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty!
................................................


YOU HAVE AGAIN ADDED LIES TO YOUR VIEWS.
Lets see if Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him:
[b]King James Version
Joh 20:14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus!
King James Version

Joh 20:15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARGENER, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.

I dnt think the disciples would have been able to recognize Jesus more than Mary, she probably would have known Jesus from birth, and the picture of Jesus in her memory would have been sharper than a 100 mega pixel camera!
but here you are , lying again that Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him!
dnt you think Mary should have been able to recognise Jesus instantly if he had been raise in the same body he died in?
* this is a question ill hope you can give us answer to .
Do you notice how Jesus appeared to his disciples who had locked the doors, his actions transcends the physical realm, he appeared to them gram!, in a locked rooM!. yet until he showed them death dealing wound marks, that was when they believed they where swing the Lord.

brocab pls tell us
1. DOES SOME ONE FACE CHANGE WHEN HE OR SHE IS RESSURRECTED WITH THE SAME BODY HE OR SHE DIED IN?
2.DOES SOME ONE GETS RESSURRECTED WITH THE WOUND'S OR INJURIES THAT KILLED HIM?
If your assumptions are true, I bet during the ressurection, we will know those whose throut where slit, cus there will still be a gapping hole in there necks. and those whose brains where blown out will have a hole in their head, cus they will be resurrected with that same body!
before, I digress, let's further examine ya lie.
King James Version
Joh 21:4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: BUT THE DISCIPLES KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus.
john 21: 12 New International Version
Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord.
even after seing Jesus after his resurrecting, after being with Jesus for years, they still do not recognize Jesus at first glance. If Jesus had been resurrected with the same body he had died in, the disciples will have no doubt, they wunt need to even bother to ask the question that dared not to ask, "who are you".
Jesus had just showed them who he is, it is left for us to understand that they still had issues with Jesus physical features, despite knowing that the person inviting theM to a meal is actually Jesus.

I for one believe that only spirits do appear and dissappear at will!
spirits can manifest physical bodies of any liking for any particular purpose, the scriptures is awash with such occurrences, they can even use it to have sex sef!
sir do you ever read the scriptures at all.
It says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God!
human body is flesh and blood!
how then do you espect the king of gods kingdom to have flesh and blood while his Co rulers do not!
how do you expect the physical to rule in the spiritual realm.
brocab, Jesus was a spirit before he came to earth, was he not?
how come , you refuse him his spirit nature when he had accomplished the work he was sent to do here on earth?

brocab:
Are you backing down dolphinheart? This doesn't sound like you.

backing down from where and what?

brocab:
Quote> Can the almighty God have a God? "Yes" to this question"

haha a! , so who is the God of the almighty God?
in essence you are saying the most high still has a God higher than him, you are saying the supreme being still has someone more supreme than him!, can you see what false teachings is making you do?
brocab, there is no one above the almighty God, there is no one above the most high!

{divine nature} Lets read what the bible say's "God called Jesus "God" in {Hebrews 1:8} But of the Son He say's your throne "O GOD" Is forever and ever. So yes God the Father called Jesus God, Not a god, but God.

did you read verse nine?, what does verse 9 tell you? It tells me that Jesus, even though he is a God, even though he is called mighty God , he still has a God!

now let's compare and contrast.
Does jesus have a God? yes
Does the father, Jehovah have a God? no
did Jesus call the father "his God" ? yes.
did the father call jesus "his God"? no
did Jesus call the father "my God" ? yes
did the father call jesus "my God" ? no
is jesus subjected to someone ? yes
is the father subjected to anyone ? no
is jesus sent? yes
is the father sent? no
is jesus sitting on the throne of the most high? no, he is at his right side
is jesus the most high? no, he is at his right side?

let me give you a simple example.
john and Peter are managers in a company
john and Peter are both managers
john is a different person from Peter
john is Peters manager
peter is not John's manager
john is a senior manager and manages peter despite peter being also a manager.
john is the most senior ,most high manager.

In the scenario above
john can call peter "manager," but he wunt call peter "my manager"
peter can call john "manager" and he is correct to also call john " my manager".

Jesus has told us who his God is, he calls that one "my god".
Jesus has also told us who our God is , that is why, in relation to jesus the disciples could say:

1Co 8:5,6: For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,”
1Co 8:6 [u]there is actually to us one God, THE FATHER, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.[/b]

brocab, I dnt know about your God, but the scriptures have helped me to identify who my God is!, he is the same one jesus identified as THE ONLY TRUE GOD!, the God of jesus who commanded jesus to redeem us.

Quote> Does Jesus have a God at the moment.
Yes" Jesus also has the Holy Spirit and He is part of the divine nature with The Father the Son and the Holy Spirit. {1 John 5:7}

Did 1John 5: 7 say Jesus is part of the divine nature with others ? no !
do not add to that scripture!

1 john 5:7
New International Version
For there are three that testify:
New Living Translation
So we have these three witnesses--
English Standard Version
For there are three that testify:
Berean Study Bible
For there are three that testify:

Quote> Does Jesus have a God He is subjected at this moment. Jesus sits at God's right hand side in heaven {Mark 16:19}

you are a very funny man brocab,
does sitting at the right side means he is subjected at the moment? yes ,no
who is he sitting at the right side of ? God!, how can you sit at the right side of someone, after being giving instructions by that same someone to do so, and you are now claiming that Jesus is that same someone, Haba!

Quote> Can the Almighty God be subjected to anyone? "Yes" God had raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Jesus Christ {Ephesians 2:6}

oh my!
so the almighty God is subjected to the humans he saved and raised ?

Now you can answer one for me, Is Jesus a divine being with the Father?

unlike you , I dnt wait for months before answering.
Jesus is not the same being with the Father, divine or not!
the father is a seperate person from Jesus .
even when they are together in the same location, the scriptures has shown they are two seperate beings , two seperate persons !

HOPE READERS CAN NOW SEE WHY I ASK QUESTIONS, CUS THEIR ANSWERS TO SUCH QUESTIONS WILL EXPOSE THE FALSE TEACHINGS THEY ARE SO DESPIRATE TO USE INDIRECT ANALOGY, MAN MADE VIEWS , PHILOSOPHY AND CREATED GRAMMAR AND WORDS TO ESTABLISH.
MOST I ME WHEN THIS TEACHINGS ARE BEING DISECTED WITH THE SCRIPTURES, THEY WILL REFUSE TO QUOTE IT, TALK LESS OF EXPLAIN ING THEM, HENCE THE NEED TO ALWAYS REMIND THEM

issues still at hand!
1. WRITTEN WHAAAT? pls point to what I've written and post it, anytime I say you said something, I endeavor to direct you to wheee and when you said it, so pls direct me and others to where I said " God and the Word is a two headed god"?
bunch of liars!

2. Brought what back to my attention, I know you desperately want him to bring those words he accused me of saying out, it pains you that he could not, hence you have to find alternatives!
..............................
And yet no response from you on the issue you yourself raised?
also up till now , you have not answered these questions
(ill find that post and point it to you)
......................................
you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture:
[b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.
Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

Examine this questions brocab
1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.
brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :
1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9,11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18
17. 2 cor 1:3
18. Eph 1:3
19. 1 pet 1:3
20: 2Cor 8:6
21. 1 cor 15: 27,28
And a host of others
.............................................
Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.
Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty!
................................................
YOU HAVE AGAIN ADDED LIES TO YOUR VIEWS.
Lets see if Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him:
[b]King James Version
Joh 20:14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus!
King James Version
Joh 20:15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARGENER, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
I dnt think the disciples would have been able to recognize Jesus more than Mary, she probably would have known Jesus from birth, and the picture of Jesus in her memory would have been sharper than a 100 mega pixel camera!
but here you are , lying again that Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him!
dnt you think Mary should have been able to recognise Jesus instantly if he had been raise in the same body he died in?
* this is a question ill hope you can give us answer to .
Do you notice how Jesus appeared to his disciples who had locked the doors, his actions transcends the physical realm, he appeared to them gram!, in a locked rooM!. yet until he showed them death dealing wound marks, that was when they believed they where swing the Lord.
brocab pls tell us
1. DOES SOME ONE FACE CHANGE WHEN HE OR SHE IS RESSURRECTED WITH THE SAME BODY HE OR SHE DIED IN?
2.DOES SOME ONE GETS RESSURRECTED WITH THE WOUND'S OR INJURIES THAT KILLED HIM?
If your assumptions are true, I bet during the ressurection, we will know those whose throut where slit, cus there will still be a gapping hole in there necks. and those whose brains where blown out will have a hole in their head, cus they will be resurrected with that same body!
before, I digress, let's further examine ya lie.
King James Version
Joh 21:4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: BUT THE DISCIPLES KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus.
john 21: 12 New International Version
Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord.
even after seing Jesus after his resurrecting, after being with Jesus for years, they still do not recognize Jesus at first glance. If Jesus had been resurrected with the same body he had died in, the disciples will have no doubt, they wunt need to even bother to ask the question that dared not to ask, "who are you".
Jesus had just showed them who he is, it is left for us to understand that they still had issues with Jesus physical features, despite knowing that the person inviting theM to a meal is actually Jesus.
I for one believe that only spirits do appear and dissappear at will!
spirits can manifest physical bodies of any liking for any particular purpose, the scriptures is awash with such occurrences, they can even use it to have sex sef!
sir do you ever read the scriptures at all.
It says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God!
human body is flesh and blood!
how then do you espect the king of gods kingdom to have flesh and blood while his Co rulers do not!
how do you expect the physical to rule in the spiritual realm.
brocab, Jesus was a spirit before he came to earth, was he not?
how come , you refuse him his spirit nature when he had accomplished the work he was sent to do here on earth?[/b]

zodiakzax:
(10).God will come with all the holy ones (Zech 14:5), Jesus will come with all the holy ones (1Thess 3:13);

(10)King James Version
Zec 14:5And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee

King James Version
1Th 3:13To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

Does the verses above mean jesus is Jehovah?no
there is more to this coming which might be discussed later, but not verse 11 to 13 of 2 thess 3:13 which had already differentiated jesus from God, one can read John chapter 17 to see who gave jesus this saints !

King James Version
1Th 3:11-13[u]Now God himself and our Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ,[/u] direct our way unto you.
1Th 3:12And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you.
1Th 3:13To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

(11)Only God is our savior (Isa 43:11), Jesus is our savior (Tit 2:13, 2Pet 1:1)

(11)Isa 43:11I—I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior.”
Tit 2:13while we wait for the happy hope and glorious manifestation of the great God and of our Savior, Jesus Christ,
2Pe 1:1Simon Peter, a slave and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have acquired a faith as precious as ours through the righteousness of our God and the Savior Jesus Christ:
are those verses telling us that because jesus is our savior, it mean he is Jehovah, the almighty God who said their is no savior beside him? The answer is no!

Jehovah is identified as the principal Savior, the only Source of deliverance.
at times past, he sent people to save the isrealites.
Jg 2:16So Jehovah would raise up judges who would save them from the hand of their plunderers.
Jg 3:9When the Israelites called to Jehovah for help, Jehovah raised up a savior to rescue the Israelites, Othʹni·el the son of Keʹnaz, the younger brother of Caʹleb.
Jg 3:15Then the Israelites called to Jehovah for help, so Jehovah raised up for them a savior, Eʹhud the son of Geʹra, a Benʹja·min·ite who was left-handed. In time the Israelites sent tribute through him to Egʹlon the king of Moʹab.

When Jesus was on earth, Jehovah was his Savior, supporting and strengthening him to maintain integrity through his strenuous trials
Heb 5:7During his life on earth, Christ offered up supplications and also petitions, with strong outcries and tears, to the One who was able to save him out of death, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear.
Ps 28:8Jehovah is a strength for his people; He is a stronghold, bringing grand salvation to his anointed one.

Along with his role as Savior, Jehovah is also the “Repurchaser.”
Isa 49:26I will make those who mistreat you eat their own flesh, And as with sweet wine, they will become drunk with their own blood. And all people will have to know that I am Jehovah, Your Savior and your Repurchaser, The Powerful One of Jacob.”
Isa 60:16

In the past he redeemed his people Israel from captivity. In delivering Christians from sin’s bondage, he does the repurchasing through his Son Jesus Christ

1Jo 4:14In addition, we ourselves have seen and are bearing witness that the Father has sent his Son as Savior of the world.
King James Version
Ac 5:31Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Therefore jesus can also be called our savior, but the scriptures has shown he is not Jehovah or almighty God.
Jude 25 to the only God our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glormajesty, might, and authority for all past eternity and now and into all eternity. Amen.

(12)God is the creator of the universe (Isa 44:24, Jer 27:5), Jesus is the creator of the universe ( Jn 1:3),

(12) Sir, I believe this has been handled.

will continue later, pls bear with me ..........

brocab:
This just shows how ignorant you are, Nothing I had said' made a difference to you, you need to slow yourself down. We have answered most of your questionnaires, and still you had refused to return your answers concerning who Jesus is 'to His Father.

brocab, you have not answered most of my questions, that why I keep repeating them to you, note that it is not only questions you refuse to answer, you refuse to quote and explain certain scriptures too.
A beg , who is "we"?

Does Jesus have a God At this moment?
The answer to this question is yes and no, In order to properly address this question, we have to learn a little biblical theology and a little logic.
First of all "Jesus has two natures; divine and human.
Second "Jesus was made under the law {Galatians 4:4} and was made for a while A little lower then the angels {Hebrews 2:9} As someone who was under the law it would be necessary for Jesus to obey the law, and worship God {In this case the Father John 17:5}
Thirdly "We have to be careful with the Word "God" we don't want to commit the logical fallacy of equivocation where the meaning of the word changes as we are using it. Let me clarify: With the next two sentences, notice the word "God" is used in each.
{1} The trinity is the teaching that the One God of all existence consist of 3 divine persons: The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
{2} The Father is God, The Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God.
In sentence number {1} The Word "God" is a quantitative, dealing with how many god's there are.
In sentence {2} The Word "God" qualitative, dealing with nature, that is the nature of divinity.
Yes Jesus who is the second person of the trinity and divine by nature, worshipped God the Father, under the Law {Galatians 4:4}
Jesus had humbled Himself and emptied Himself in the incarnation and was cooperating with the limitations of being a man while acting under Jewish Law. {Philippians 2:5-8}
Also Jesus is still a man {1 Timothy 2:5, Colossians 2:9} And will be a man forever {1 Corinthians 15:28, Hebrews 6:20, 7:25} Therefore it can be said that Jesus, the man, had someone he would call His God. And He was a reference to the Father, {Since He will always be a man, as well as divine} He will always have someone He will call His God, but this is in reference to God the Father.
That does not mean that Jesus does not share the same divine nature as God the Father since the bible say's that Jesus is also God made man. {John 1:1, 14, Colossians 2:9, Hebrews 1:8 But of the Son He say's, YOUR THRONE "O GOD" IS FOREVER AND EVER}

CAN YOU YOURSELF SEE YOUR RAMBLING,

Jesus have two natures at same time? no , the theory is a lie!, I've posted the truth to you about that statement when you said Jesus was fully God, you failed as usual to respond it it, only to bring such falsehood up again.
New question you should consider: what happened to jesus divine nature when he died? Did it die too!

brocab , no one is talking about worship yet, we are talking about having a God and being in subjection to that God.
you said : "Yes Jesus who is the second person of the trinity and divine by nature, worshipped God the Father, under the Law "
brocab is jesus under the law now? no , I'm asking if jesus who is no longer under the law at the moment has a God.
even the Gal 4:4 that you mentioned never said anything about Jesus having double nature
Jesus is still a man? well this is what the scriptures said about Jesus resurrection tion: [b]1Pe 3:18For Christ died once for all time for sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death IN THE FLESH but made alive IN THE SPIRIT.
JESUS WAS NEVER MADE ALIVE IN THE FLESH!

THE VERSES YOU MENTIONED NEVER SAID ANY THING ABOUT JESUS BEING A MAN AT THIS MOMENT, I.E BEING FLESH AND BLOOD AT THIS MOMENT , TALK LESS OF BEING ONE FOREVER.
Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, the scriptures said!

The funny thing is the fact that as long as jesus is a man, he can never be God almighty!

you have so far used a false teaching ( jesus having double nature) to arrive at another false doctrine( the man jesus calls someone his God in heaven)
the main facts are that, in heaven, Jesus says God is his God, he calls God " my God ". If you say that God is the father, then the God in revelation IS THE FATHER!
The father is the almighty God !

you have only attempted to answer one question, which you failed woefully in, you attempt to use false teachings(which had been debunked without reply in these thread) to tell us that Jesus has a God and does not have a god at this same moment. This fictional explanation can only be found in fictional novels that talk about hybrids, it's not in Gods word.
Jesus emptied himself and his divine nature was changed to that of human nature I.e flesh and blood, he BECAME FLESH. You are trying to make jesus sacrifice illegal by claiming a god died and not a man died, you are trying to justify that adam could not have resisted Satan's lies since he did not have divine nature alongside his human nature.

brocab, you keep mentioning this divine nature of jesus forgetting it's that same divine nature that those who will go to heaven will have!, does it make them god too!

Since its only one question that you attempted to answer, I'll post as a reminder the other issues.

1. WRITTEN WHAAAT? pls point to what I've written and post it, anytime I say you said something, I endeavor to direct you to wheee and when you said it, so pls direct me and others to where I said " God and the Word is a two headed god"?
bunch of liars!

2. Brought what back to my attention, I know you desperately want him to bring those words he accused me of saying out, it pains you that he could not, hence you have to find alternatives!
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And yet no response from you on the issue you yourself raised?
also up till now , you have not answered these questions
(ill find that post and point it to you)

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you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture:
[b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.

Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

Examine this questions brocab
1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :
1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9,11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18
17. 2 cor 1:3
18. Eph 1:3
19. 1 pet 1:3
20: 2Cor 8:6
21. 1 cor 15: 27,28

And a host of others
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Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.
Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty!
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YOU HAVE AGAIN ADDED LIES TO YOUR VIEWS.
Lets see if Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him:
[b]King James Version
Joh 20:14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus!
King James Version

Joh 20:15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARGENER, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.

I dnt think the disciples would have been able to recognize Jesus more than Mary, she probably would have known Jesus from birth, and the picture of Jesus in her memory would have been sharper than a 100 mega pixel camera!
but here you are , lying again that Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him!
dnt you think Mary should have been able to recognise Jesus instantly if he had been raise in the same body he died in?
* this is a question ill hope you can give us answer to .
Do you notice how Jesus appeared to his disciples who had locked the doors, his actions transcends the physical realm, he appeared to them gram!, in a locked rooM!. yet until he showed them death dealing wound marks, that was when they believed they where swing the Lord.

brocab pls tell us
1. DOES SOME ONE FACE CHANGE WHEN HE OR SHE IS RESSURRECTED WITH THE SAME BODY HE OR SHE DIED IN?
2.DOES SOME ONE GETS RESSURRECTED WITH THE WOUND'S OR INJURIES THAT KILLED HIM?
If your assumptions are true, I bet during the ressurection, we will know those whose throut where slit, cus there will still be a gapping hole in there necks. and those whose brains where blown out will have a hole in their head, cus they will be resurrected with that same body!
before, I digress, let's further examine ya lie.
King James Version
Joh 21:4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: BUT THE DISCIPLES KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus.
john 21: 12 New International Version
Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord.
even after seing Jesus after his resurrecting, after being with Jesus for years, they still do not recognize Jesus at first glance. If Jesus had been resurrected with the same body he had died in, the disciples will have no doubt, they wunt need to even bother to ask the question that dared not to ask, "who are you".
Jesus had just showed them who he is, it is left for us to understand that they still had issues with Jesus physical features, despite knowing that the person inviting theM to a meal is actually Jesus.

I for one believe that only spirits do appear and dissappear at will!
spirits can manifest physical bodies of any liking for any particular purpose, the scriptures is awash with such occurrences, they can even use it to have sex sef!
sir do you ever read the scriptures at all.
It says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God!
human body is flesh and blood!
how then do you espect the king of gods kingdom to have flesh and blood while his Co rulers do not!
how do you expect the physical to rule in the spiritual realm.
brocab, Jesus was a spirit before he came to earth, was he not?
how come , you refuse him his spirit nature when he had accomplished the work he was sent to do here on earth?

zodiakzax:
(3)God is the temple of the New Jerusalem (Rev 21:22), Jesus (the Lamb) is the temple of the New Jerusalem (Rev 21:22)

King James Version
Re 21:22And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

(3)does this verse above mean that the Lamb is God Almighty? no.
The verse has done a good job in seperatING the Lamb from God almighty by using the word "and". not only that the scriptures also seperated the Lamb from almighty God, who is seated on the throne.

King James Version
Re 5:6,7 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
Re 5:7And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.[/b]
so what is the verse teaching us:

Jehovah God and the Lamb ‘Are Its Temple.’ When John sees New Jerusalem coming down from heaven, he made the remarks found in reV 21:22 Since the members of New Jerusalem will have direct access to the face of Jehovah himself, they will not need a temple through which to approach God.

King James Version
1Jo 3:2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

King James Version
Re 22:3,4And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
4. And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.[/b]

Those who make up New Jerusalem will render sacred service to God diectly under the high priesthood of the Lamb, Jesus Christ. For this reason the Lamb shares with Jehovah in being, in effect, the temple of the New Jerusalem.

(4)God is the alpha and omega (Rev 1:8, Jesus is the alpha and omega (Rev 22:13)

(4)rev 1:8 English Standard Version
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
I am The Alap and The Tau, says THE LORD JEHOVAH God, he who is and has been and is coming, The Almighty.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
"I am the A and the Z," says the Lord God, the one who is, the one who was, and the one who is coming, the Almighty.

King James Version
Re 22:13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

I believe this two verses are referring to the same person, who is the father, the God almighty, Jehovah. There is no reference to jesus their , Jesus is not the alpha and omega.

(5) God is the first and last (Isa 44:6, 48:12), Jesus is the first and last (Rev 22:13),

(5)Isa 44:6This is what Jehovah says, The King of Israel and his Repurchaser, Jehovah of armies: ‘I am the first and I am the last. There is no God but me.
Isa 48:12Listen to me, O Jacob, and Israel, whom I have called. I am the same One. I am the first; I am also the last.
rev 22:13* ( quoted earlier)

These three verses are referring to the same person, God, the almighty, Jehovah, the most high.

(6)God is the beginning and the end (Rev 21:6), Jesus is the beginning an the end (Rev 22:13)

(6) King James Version
Re 21:6And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

rev:22: 13*

this verses are reffering to the same person, God, Jesus father, the almighty God.

(7)Only God can forgive sins (Lk 5:21), Jesus forgives sins (Lk 5:20),

(7)King James Version
Lu 5:21And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?

King James Version
Lu 5:20And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee.

As we can see from luke 5:21 the words" only God can forgive sin was not a statement as you tried to make it look like , but a question in the mind of the Pharisees, this question came as a result of jesus earlier statement found in verse 40.

The Pharisees would have this thoughts probably because of these scripture.
Ps 103:2, 3Let me praise Jehovah; May I never forget all that he has done.3He forgives all your errors And heals all your ailments;

But jesus knowing their thoughts answered them
King James Version
Lu 5:23Whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Rise up and walk?
Lu 5:24But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power upon earth to forgive sins, (he said unto the sick of the palsy,) I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy couch, and go into thine house.

does this healing and forgiveness of sin make jesus to be God ,since some try to claim only God can forgive sins? no
the scriptures says these about the power jesus used:
King James Version
Ac 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

Other supporting scriptures:
[b]Isa 11:2And the spirit of Jehovah will settle upon him, The spirit of wisdom and of understanding, The spirit of counsel and of mightiness, The spirit of knowledge and of the fear of Jehovah.
Isa 42:1Look! My servant, whom I support! My chosen one, whom I have approved! I have put my spirit in him; He will bring justice to the nations.
Isa 61:1The spirit of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah is upon me, Because Jehovah anointed me to declare good news to the meek. He sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives And the wide opening of the eyes to the prisoners,
Mt 3:16After being baptized, Jesus immediately came up from the water; and look! the heavens were opened up, and he saw God’s spirit descending like a dove and coming upon him.


Since Jesus was giving power and authority to judge, it is imperative to believe that the authority to forgive sins is included in it. Jesus has proven that it is even easier to forgive sins than to heal.
The disciples are not God because they had the authority to forgive sins or do they?
King James Version
Joh 20:23Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

(God is our hope (Ps 71:5), Jesus is our hope (1Tim 1:1),

(Ps 71:5For you are my hope, O Sovereign Lord Jehovah; I have trusted in you since my youth.

1Ti 1:1Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the command of God our Savior and of Christ Jesus, our hope,
does this scripture makes jesus to be the same person as Jehovah that David had hope in? no
the following scriptures clear the air on that
[b]1Pe 1:3, 4Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for according to his great mercy he gave us a new birth to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,[/u]4to an incorruptible and undefiled and unfading inheritance. It is reserved in the heavens for you,
the hope that the disciples had in Jesus was given to them by who ? God , who is also God and Father of jesus, the same God that David had hope in. This thus make jehovah as the primary sours of hope for mankind.

(9)God is eternal (Deut 33:27), Jesus is eternal (Isa 9:6, Heb 1:1011);

(9)King James Version
De 33:27The eternal God is thy refuge, and underneath are the everlasting arms: and he shall thrust out the enemy from before thee; and shall say, Destroy them.

King James Version
Isa 9:6For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace
King James Version
Heb 1:10*
King James Version
Heb 1:11They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
sir the above scripture does not mean jesus is the same person as God or jesus is the almighty God.
Jesus was not called eternal God, he will be called eternal father, cus it is through him humans will gain eternal life. When human live for eternity, it still does not make them god!

will continue again when I've adressed some post to me.

zodiakzax:
am just very surprise at how low you have fallen, very sad, hmm look at the Hebrews 1 again and see if the writer was referring to God or to the Son?

Hebrews 1:8-10English Standard Version (ESV)

8 But of the Son he says,

“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,
    the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has anointed you
    with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.”
10 And,

“You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning,
    and the heavens are the work of your hands;

The statement is clearly about the Son. Either way if it was about the Father, you people wouldn't have changed verse 8 by saying " God is your throne forever" you have yet again change scripture for your own use. The original as it reads was " to the Son he says: thy throne,o God, is fore ever and ever. Which was taken from Psalm 45:6 (let's see how you can defend this) and your bible blashemeously changed it in Ps. 45:6 again, go and do your research and get the original Hebrew mss and verify yourself. Now if you still think that verse is talking about God then your people would have changed Lord in verse 10 as Jehovah as they've always been doing when Lord refers to God. So why didn't they use Jehovah in this statement but used Lord instead? That is because they knew who it was referring to and that person was Christ. Other than that they would have been admitting Christ is jehovah which is very clear in the statement. The "And" in vs 10 meant that the writer was still talking about the Son from vs 8, surely any learned person can see that.

sir I never said it was about the father na, neither did I said it was about God, pls read my post very very well before trying to degrade, because if you have taken time to go through it, you would not have said the above. I hope you will see the points listed their.

sorry that the other parts of my reply to the main post is taking time, will continue on it later. Just posted this to clear the wrong understandING up

hope you wunt mind if I check the scriptures you posted and give my own views, it will take time since the verses are many, and pls ill have to number each point in your post.

zodiakzax:
If there's any wise among you who will like to know the truth for him or herself then I suggest you carefully go through what all my brethren in Christ has posted so far and what I've posted below. Be the Judge of it and be honest with yourselves.
(1)The Bible says that: The heavens are the work of God’s hands (Ps 102:25), the heavens are the work of Jesus’ hand (Heb 1:10), God laid the foundations of the earth (Isa 48:13), Jesus laid the foundations of the earth (Heb 1:10),

King James Version
Ps 102:25Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.

King James Version
Heb 1:10And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

King James Version
Isa 48:13Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.

Do these verses mean that Jesus is the same person as God? I answer is no .
why do I say so?
reading from verse 1 oF Hebrews shows that it is God that was talking and that God was not talking about himself but talking to and about someone else. The attributes he asigned to the person he was talking go and about cannot be applied to God, in this case I'll refer to this God as Almighty God .

excerpts from previous verses of heb chapter one before we get to verse 10.
King James Version
Heb 1:1-4,9: God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2. Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his(a) Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3. Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
4. Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
9. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God,(your god) hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

What have I learnt from those verses, I've learnt that(pls correct me if Im wrong)
1. that the person (Jesus) being referred to in verse 10 is not the God that was talking in that verse.
2. that the person , Jesus in an heir, the almighty God is not an heir to no person.
3. The person being refered to in verse 10 sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, thus that person(jesus) is not the Majesty on high, which indicates jesus is not the most high!
4. the person being talked about in verse 10 has a God who anointed and promoted him!

With the above, I do not think that person is almighty God , who is said to be the creator.
but the question is still there, how can this person who god was talking about be said to have laid the foundation of the earth as God is said to have done. The answer lies in the following scriptures.

[b]Ps 33:6By the word of Jehovah the heavens were made, And by the spirit of his mouth everything in them.

Col 1:15,16He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;
16because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him and for him.

Pr 8:22, 27- 31: Jehovah produced me as the beginning of his way, The earliest of his achievements of long ago.
27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there; When he marked out the horizon on the surface of the waters,
28When he established the clouds above, When he founded the fountains of the deep,
29When he set a decree for the sea That its waters should not pass beyond his order, When he established the foundations of the earth,
30Then I was beside him as a master worker. I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time;
31I rejoiced over his habitable earth, And I was especially fond of the sons of men.[/b]

This scriptures proves to me, and I hope it does so to you too that jehovah, who is called the almighty God is primarily responsible for creation, the power for the creation came from but he used his only begotten Son, who was his master worker, to do it .
That is why the apostles could rightly distinguish between jesus and God and their roles in creation, they told us :

1Co 8:6there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

Joh 1:10He was in the world, and the world came into existence through him, but the world did not know him.
pls do not forget what the God talking in verse 10 of heb chapter was said to do with Jesus in verse 2.

(2)God is our judge (Ps 50:6, Eccl 12:14, 1Chron 16:33), Jesus is our judge (i 4:1, Rev 20:12),

King James Version
Ps 50:6And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is judge himself. Selah.

King James Version
Ec 12:14For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

1Ch 16:33At the same time let the trees of the forest shout joyfully before Jehovah, For he is coming to judge the earth.
* I could not get what I 4:6 is
King James Version
Re 20:12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

even without looking into these scriptures , the issue of judging had been already cleared by Jesus himself, the disciples and by God himself.

Joh 5:22For the Father judges no one at all, but he has entrusted all the judging to the Son,

King James Version
Joh 5:27[u]And hath given him authority to execute judgment also,[/u] because he is the Son of man.

Ac 10:42Also, he ordered us to preach to the people and to give a thorough witness that this is the one decreed by God to be judge of the living and the dead.

Ac 17:31Because he has set a day on which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and he has provided a guarantee to all men by resurrecting him from the dead.”

2Co 5:10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of the Christ, so that each one may be repaid according to the things he has practiced while in the body, whether good or bad.

hope with the above scriptures you can see that Jesus is not God almighty cus he is judging!

will continue with the rest later ........pls bear with me .

brocab:
ARE YOU EXPECTING ME TO ANSWER YOUR 101 QUESTIONNAIRE ONCE MORE.

it's not necessary you answer all at once, any one you answer will be released from the list.

This shows you are not ready to listen to the truth about the word of God, because dolphinheart knows all the answers.

I've been asking questions so as to get answers !

The question you should be asking is, Is Jesus divine with His Father.

Lets exhaust this present and still mounting set of questions first!
I've noted the above , might bring it up again later

Once you can answer this question, then you will have all your answers answered.
If you refuse to answer this question, then your group of questioning is useless, and your questioning won't allow us to seek the truth about God Himself.
Think about that?

good, you can add this question to the others, or still better, use it to answer them!


meanwhile ,issues, questions and request still pending :
you said : "We have never denied Jesus has a God"

then this question should not be too hard for you to answer
1.DOES JESUS HAVE A GOD AT THIS MOMENT?
2. DOES JESUS HAVE A GOD HE IS SUBJECTED TO AT THIS MOMENT?
3. CAN THE ALMIGHTY GOD HAVE A GOD?
4 . CAN THE ALMIGHTY GOD BE SUBJECTED TO ANYONE?
readers should take note that he did not answer


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1. WRITTEN WHAAAT? pls point to what I've written and post it, anytime I say you said something, I endeavor to direct you to wheee and when you said it, so pls direct me and others to where I said " God and the Word is a two headed god"?
bunch of liars!

2. Brought what back to my attention, I know you desperately want him to bring those words he accused me of saying out, it pains you that he could not, hence you have to find alternatives!
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And yet no response from you on the issue you yourself raised?
also up till now , you have not answered these questions
(ill find that post and point it to you)

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you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture:
[b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.

Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

Examine this questions brocab
1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :
1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9,11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18
17. 2 cor 1:3
18. Eph 1:3
19. 1 pet 1:3
20: 2Cor 8:6
21. 1 cor 15: 27,28

And a host of others
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Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.
Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty!
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YOU HAVE AGAIN ADDED LIES TO YOUR VIEWS.
Lets see if Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him:
[b]King James Version
Joh 20:14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus!
King James Version

Joh 20:15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARGENER, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.

I dnt think the disciples would have been able to recognize Jesus more than Mary, she probably would have known Jesus from birth, and the picture of Jesus in her memory would have been sharper than a 100 mega pixel camera!
but here you are , lying again that Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him!
dnt you think Mary should have been able to recognise Jesus instantly if he had been raise in the same body he died in?
* this is a question ill hope you can give us answer to .
Do you notice how Jesus appeared to his disciples who had locked the doors, his actions transcends the physical realm, he appeared to them gram!, in a locked rooM!. yet until he showed them death dealing wound marks, that was when they believed they where swing the Lord.

brocab pls tell us
1. DOES SOME ONE FACE CHANGE WHEN HE OR SHE IS RESSURRECTED WITH THE SAME BODY HE OR SHE DIED IN?
2.DOES SOME ONE GETS RESSURRECTED WITH THE WOUND'S OR INJURIES THAT KILLED HIM?
If your assumptions are true, I bet during the ressurection, we will know those whose throut where slit, cus there will still be a gapping hole in there necks. and those whose brains where blown out will have a hole in their head, cus they will be resurrected with that same body!
before, I digress, let's further examine ya lie.
King James Version
Joh 21:4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: BUT THE DISCIPLES KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus.
john 21: 12 New International Version
Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord.
even after seing Jesus after his resurrecting, after being with Jesus for years, they still do not recognize Jesus at first glance. If Jesus had been resurrected with the same body he had died in, the disciples will have no doubt, they wunt need to even bother to ask the question that dared not to ask, "who are you".
Jesus had just showed them who he is, it is left for us to understand that they still had issues with Jesus physical features, despite knowing that the person inviting theM to a meal is actually Jesus.

I for one believe that only spirits do appear and dissappear at will!
spirits can manifest physical bodies of any liking for any particular purpose, the scriptures is awash with such occurrences, they can even use it to have sex sef!
sir do you ever read the scriptures at all.
It says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God!
human body is flesh and blood!
how then do you espect the king of gods kingdom to have flesh and blood while his Co rulers do not!
how do you expect the physical to rule in the spiritual realm.
brocab, Jesus was a spirit before he came to earth, was he not?
how come , you refuse him his spirit nature when he had accomplished the work he was sent to do here on earth?

solite3:
@ dolphins Enough of the textus receptous argument. You can choose whatever you want to believe, if after all the scriptures presented, you still pesist in unbelief. You will have yourself to blame before God.

pls tell the world, the source of the Textus Receptus version of Rev 1:11? what manuscript did it get it from!