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johnw74:
Just the same lies as before.

I told you I'm not doing more searches for lazy false jw,
but false jw hates the truth and loves to lie all the time.

well they must find an excuse for
1.not being to post the post where I made the statement
2. not being able to show where the responded to my explanation!

dolphinheart concerning God and the Word: "your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."

You know as well as I do that you said it, you just cannot help but lie

Lie Lie dolphinheart

they will keep on concerning my words with theirs, but they will have not post that post!
plus remember , up till now , he has not apologised for lying against me that I said " god is a two headed god"

brocab:
What is the Sabbath?

you brought up the issue of sabbath, so pls tell us what sabbath is, pls also tell us the day it is observed !

And why did people come together and gathered on the Sabbath dolphinheart? Why was the Sabbath day kept to rest and worship. {Exodus 20:8} dolphinheart?

it is you that should tell us that! You mentioned the sabbath, yet you know little about it!

Tell us Who can change what God had made, who has this power to change the gathering together of people to meet on the Sun-day dolphinheart "You"?

pls what day did they I change o!
where did you read that Christians are supposed to gather on one day of the week and that day of the week has been changed by dolphinheart ?

When in scriptures tells us who is Lord of the Sabbath. Not Lord of Sun-day worship.

good you noticed.

BROCAB, HOPE YOU HAVE STOPPED THAT DISGRACEFUL ACT OF FORGERY , IT IS NOT A GOOD THING. ONE HAS TO CHECK HIS POST YOU QUOTED TO SEE IF YOU HAD NOT FORGED IT!

brocab:
Don't we love the way you miss quote scriptures, What were the customs dolphinheart?
Why did Jesus say to Peter whom do the kings of the earth take customs or taxes from strangers, or from their sons, Peter answered from Strangers, Jesus said: then the Sons are free. I bet you don't even know what Jesus meant by these verses.
The answer is no I don't pay tithes.

the customs here are taxes collected from the Jews . This tax are payed to the temple, it is not the Same as tithe payed by the Jews.

ex 30: 12-16 “Whenever you take a census and count the sons of Israel, each one must give a ransom for his life to Jehovah at the time of the census. This is so that no plague may be brought upon them when they are registered.
13. This is what all those who are registered will give: a half shekel by the standard shekel of the holy place. Twenty geʹrahs equal a shekel. A half shekel is the contribution to Jehovah.
14. Everyone registered who is 20 years old and up will give Jehovah’s contribution.
15. The rich should not give more and the poor should not give less than the half shekel as a contribution to Jehovah to make atonement for your lives.
16You are to take the silver money of the atonement from the Israelites and give it in behalf of the service of the tent of meeting, that it may serve as a remembrance before Jehovah for the Israelites, to make atonement for your lives.”
this is different frome tithe , notice verse 15, same amount is collected from everyone, which is not possible with tithe.

It appears that it became customary for the Jews to give a fixed amount every year, even though a census was not taken annually. Jehoash, for example, called for “the sacred tax ordered by Moses.”- 2 Chr 24: 6,9. The Jews of Nehemiah’s time obligated themselves to pay a third of a shekel yearly for the service of the temple.— neh 10:32
In the time of Jesus’ earthly ministry, the Jews paid two drachmas to the temple. When asked whether Jesus complied with this taxation, Peter replied in the affirmative. Later, in discussing the matter, Jesus pointed out that kings do not tax their sons, the sons being part of the royal household for whom tax is collected. However, though being the only-begotten Son of the One worshiped at the temple, Jesus, to avoid giving occasion for stumbling others, saw to it that the tax was paid.
Therefore brocad, the issue is not about tithe, it is about tax, a fixed amount of money payed to the temple by the Jews every year.

If you knew the Christ like you say you do" by your fruit 'we will recognise you. But we Christians don't..

continue propping yourself up everytime.

And since you believe you know all the answers, then at least answer this>If the Sabbath was part of the Mosaic law and it was ruled out by Jesus. Then who changed the law and gave a new commandment to worship on Sunday-that all Churches may follow
Come on dolphinheart this is an easy one to answer.

1. I do not know all the answers, stop lying against me brocab!
2. The mosaic law was ruled out?, do you even know the scriptures at all?
3. your question is faulty, the law was not changed !
4. I have never at any point said someone gave a law or commandment to worship on Sundays and all churches may follow!
you are the one having such thoughts running in your mind, but you refused to show us where such law came from, or how it affects dolphinheart.
several times Ive asked you if god gave or the scriptures mentioned a day for Christians to worship or if Christians are to worship only on one day of the week . This two questions you refused to address or answer!

color=#000099]Is this really true-JW's twist and turn the scriptures, leaving half what is written out from the verses. Just to prove a senseless point.[/color]
Cant you read the scriptures yourself, is it because your afraid to admit it was Your ancestors the pharisees that accused Jesus for breaking the rules, Only because Jesus performed miracles of healing on the Sabbath, {Matthew 2:10, Mark 3:2, John 9 14-16} John records that Jesus performed a healing during one of the festivals in Jerusalem. John's gospel records what happen next, when Jesus confronted His accusers: Jesus answered them" My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.' Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, Because He not only broke the Sabbath, but He also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God" {John 5:17-18} [/u]From this, many assume that your ancestors the Pharisees accusation-that Jesus broke the Sabbath-was correct.[/u]

LIKE THE PHARISEES YOU TOO ASSUME THAT JESUS BROKE THE SABBATH RULES. THAT SAME WRONG ASSUMPTIONS OF THE PHARISEES EXIST IN YOU, FOR YOU BELIEVE JESUS BROKE THE SABBATH RULES!

your words again :

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{Before we continual with the Sabbath Jesus broke the Sabbath rules-Jesus healed a mans hand, and it was your own countrymen the Pharisees who tried to make a mockery out of Jesus doing good.

you yourself said Jesus broke the Sabbath rules.

Scriptures also records that Jesus disciples were walking through a field on the Sabbath plucking and ate heads of grain; seeing this some pharisees asked them, "why are you doing that, when it is not lawful to do on the Sabbath {Luke 6:2} Again many accept that the pharisees accusation is correct, and by their actions Jesus and His Disciples did not Keep the Sabbath.

BROCAB, DO YOU ACCEPT THAT THE PHARISEES ACCUSATION IS CORRECT?

Do we go on dolphinheart about this point made, and why is it always to much for you to study up the scriptures yourself, and see why your ancestors accused Jesus for breaking the Sabbath?
You JW'S do believe in the word of God Don't you?

this are the points I made which you refused to respond to
1. hope the info will include how you came about sabbath sartu r day, and how Christians are to worship on sabbath sartuday!

2. as a Christian, what day did the scriptures tell you to worship !

3. pls, include birthday to this pagan influenced doctrine o!

4. you have once again failed to quote and explain this scriptures :

[b]Joh 17:3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
1Jo 5:20But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us insight so that we may gain the knowledge of the one who is true. And we are in union with the one who is true, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting
1Co 1:3May you have undeserved kindness and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1Co 8:5For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,”
1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”
brocab, my god is not unknown, he is the god of Jesus, the father, the almighty God, Jehovah![/b]

brocab:
How funny does this sound" Are you serious, you can't believe Paul not only was he a man he also was filled with the Spirit of God-don't you know anything about Christ.

pls state where I said or implied that I don't believe Paul o! or where I said he does not have the spirit of God in him!

Christ didn't work alone-No flesh can raise the dead, heal the sick, but the Spirit can. Jesus needed the Spirit of God to pull off such miracles?

is this a question or a statement.

This same Holy Spirit that Jesus had, He gave to His disciples, His disciples couldn't pull off a stunt in their flesh alone-they were given a gift from God to be partakers of the divine nature, and it's the Spirit who can raise the dead.

I've just explained to you when one will share in the divine nature, it occurs when the promise is being fufilled, when you have excaped curruption!

Christ is the divine, the Father and the Holy Spirit are divine-No-one can pull off such stunts without being a partaker of their divine nature.

the above is a lie!

Jesus said Go out unto the world and baptise them in the name of the Father the Son and the Holy spirit-this is the keys to retrieve such nature. Their isn't another way into heaven, becoming born again is your only chance to enter into the kingdom of God.

when you have the holy spirit, you have a chance to enter the kingdom of God, but it is only when you enter that Kingdom that you leave your fleshly nature and put on a divine nature , thus being sharers of the divine nature with Christ.
you can't have two nature's at the same time!

Dolphinheart It seems you must enjoy making some kind of a mockery out of yourself-this is insane, the scriptures are so clear, that it doesn't need rocket science to work out what Jesus had said.
Are you listening to yourself, no wonder you can't accept Christ into your life-you don't even believe in Him well enough, to even understand Jesus couldn't do these miracles on His own accord He needed the Spirit of God to give Him the power to pull this off.

haha!, your fully god does not have power now abi!. you are just restating what what I've been telling you, but still in a wrong way.
where does the holy spirit cone from? it comes from the father!. so was it the holy spirit that gave Jesus power ? no ! it was the father that gave Jesus power through the holy spirit

King James Version
Ac 10:38How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

Isa 11:2And the spirit of Jehovah will settle upon him, The spirit of wisdom and of understanding, The spirit of counsel and of mightiness, The spirit of knowledge and of the fear of Jehovah.

Isa 42:1Look! My servant, whom I support! My chosen one, whom I have approved! I have put my spirit in him; He will bring justice to the nations.

Isa 61:1The spirit of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah is upon me, Because Jehovah anointed me to declare good news to the meek. He sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives And the wide opening of the eyes to the prisoners,

Mt 3:16After being baptized, Jesus immediately came up from the water; and look! the heavens were opened up, and he saw God’s spirit descending like a dove and coming upon him.

His Disciples needed the Spirit of God, no-one can raise the dead without Jesus's divine name mentioned.

that is a lie, the prophets did not use Jesus name to raise the dead!

{1 Corinthians 2:14} The person without the Spirit can-not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, but considers them foolishness.
{Romans 8:5} Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires.
{Galatians 5:16} So I say walk by the Spirit, and shall not fill the lust of the flesh.
Those who have accepted Christ and becoming a born again Christian are saved, Paul like the rest of us {Ephesians 6:12} War against flesh and blood, against the Principalities, against powers and against the rulers of the darkness of this age.

they had the spirit of God, but they where still in the flesh, the spirit is what assures themy that the promise will be fufilled.

Do you even know what this verse is telling you.
And going by Dolphinheart's description, he believes Paul wasn't filled with the Spirit of God, meaning to say Jesus disciples could raise the dead, heal the sick, and the blind now see, all in the name of their own flesh.

stop lying against me, where did I say or implied such!

Peter said silver and Gold I do not have, but what I have, I give to you, in the name of Jesus stand up and walk.
No-one can do such miracles without having the power-and this power can only come from the Christ Himself, Jesus's disciples couldn't heal the sick raise the dead, unless they had the Spirit of God to give them that power, this same power Jesus formed miracles, He was alive, He was dead, and look He is alive forevermore.
No man in the flesh can raise Himself up-and sit at God's right side, it's He's name that stands above any other name-healing the sick raising the dead, the blind now see, all in the name of Jesus. {No one can raise up anyone in the name Jehovah}
Peter did not say in his own name get up and walk, he said in Jesus's name get up and walk.
This is the divine that has the power, to do such miracles dolphinheart. The flesh alone can-not heal others unless one is a partaker of the divine nature to do so...

bolded is wrong!, if you had accepted the scriptures I quoted to you , you would have understood, but you could never quote and explain them!

solite3:
buhahahahaha. You are a comedian sir.I once again salute your reasoning. Idolatry is more than worshipping idols. You made my day

Idolatry includes the veneration, love, worship, adoration of an Idol sir, it's just not worship !

@ bold how do you no they are false gods after all God called them gods
I never told you that sun moon and stars are also called heavenly host but angels and demons are also called hosts of heaven.
I kings 22 :19 And he said, Hear thou therefore the words of the Lord : I saw the Lord sitting on his throne, and[b] all the hosts of heaven [/b]standing by him on his right hand and on his left hand

1. Zep 1:4, 5“I will stretch out my hand against Judah And against all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, And I will wipe out from this place every vestige of Baʹal, The name of the foreign-god priests along with the priests,
5 And those who bow down on the rooftops to the army of the heavens, And those who bow down and pledge loyalty to Jehovah While pledging loyalty to Malʹcam;

I know they are false gods cus the scriptures explained to me how to identify false god, and they fall under that category ! or do you not agree with me that they are false gods !
Malʹcam is a principal Idol god of the ammonites, the scriptures let's us know how worthless they are , so they are false!
King James Version
Zec 10:2For the idols have spoken vanity, and the diviners have seen a lie, and have told false dreams; they comfort in vain: therefore they went their way as a flock, they were troubled, because there was no shepherd.

2. you said" I never told you that sun moon and stars are also called heavenly host but angels and demons are also called hosts of heaven". now please tell , are the sun and moon and stars and other things in the heavens also called host of heaven?

3.you quoted 1 kings 22: 19, I hope you do that for all the scriptures you mentioned, angels are called host of heaven, now do the isrea lites worship angels, the answer is no , now are heavenly objects called the host of heaven, the answer is yes, therefore when the scriptures says the isrealities worship All THE HOSTS of heaven, why don't you think it includes the heavenly objects!
Remember , my problem with you as stated initially is your desire to only link "host of heaven " to angels and demons.

pls read my post again:
"you can see that the isrealites pratIced all kinds of false worship , there are those who bowed to baal, there also those who bow down to the hosts of heaven, the moon and the sun and stars, and there are those who try to pledge loyalty to god and a false god at the same time.
look again at Gods command and tell if God is not referring to the things in the heavens.
King James Version
De 4:19 And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.
what did Jehovah say they see when they lift their eyes up to heaven? The sun moon and stars and all the host of heaven, if you look up to the heavens , do you not see this things?
Are those things demons? no!"

please show me where I said such

I never said you said such, I'm asking you a question which I want you to answer!
Jehovah said those those things are in heaven, are demons in heaven?

every knows you as the one making very false claims
@ bold you are shifting ground small small.

I have never said anything different from what I've said before

why do think the bible mention heaven first before earth?

because, there is no way you can mention both together!
saying " Peter and paul" does not mean Peter is first before Paul or does it?

your ignorance stinks. I bet the sun and the stars were created along with the earth.
Gen 1:14 And God said, let there be lights in the firmament of heaven to divide the day from the night: let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and for years:

and the sun and stars are not part of heaven that was created in the beginning?

hahaha. Angels rejects worship or obesiance but demons accept it.
Go and read 1kings 22:14-22. Also read Job 1:6

1. that angels do not accept worship does not mean they can't be worshipped sir!
2. you need to explain how you came about the belief that demons are in the physical heaven.

y don't you respond to the issue that Christians will be given the morning stars. Does that mean they will become angels

this was not what you said initially you, you altered the bible verse when you refused to quote it, stop lying against the scripture.
You want to discuss morning star , but you refused to answer the question:
the word morning stars, do you know where Jesus called himself such?

solite3, you deliberately removed or refused to respond to this:

1. you deliberately ommited this one , you sad: "is it the father that came to this earth."
I replied:
no, but someone has said Jesus is the father, do you know who said so? I bet you know, but you can't fit mention!

2. well everyone can see you could not respond or explain the scriptures quoted to to the scriptures, I'll just point it to you again:
Joh 17:26 you where afraid to quote and explain these verse, expecially the underlined
solite3, if you are a truth full person, pls explain the verse above!
you could also not respond to this :
did it say god exalted himself,? no!
did it say Jesus exalted himself ? no !
Did that verse imply that that the one who was exalted is same as one doing the exalting? no!
therefore , "God ", reffered to In those verses is not Jesus.!
Isa 52:13 Look! My servant will act with insight. He will be raised up high, He will be elevated and greatly exalted
Ac 2:32, 33
you are a bad person solite3, for this what God wanted with his name :
1Ki 8:60
Eze 36:23
Eze 39:7[/quote]

BROCAB , WHY DO YOU HAVE TO DESCEND TO THIS NEW LOW AGAIN! WHY DO YOU NEED TO DO THIS!
WE ARE STILL DISCUSSING ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU SHOULD STOP CUTTING OFF PARTS OF MY POST, NOW YOU HAVE DESCENDED FROM DEFAMATION TO FORGERY!
WHY SHOULD YOU ALTER MY WORDS!
WHY SHOULD YOU ADD MY NAME TO QUOTES THAT NEVER ORIGINATED FROM ME!
BROCAB, THIS IS A NEW LOW AND SHOULD STOP IMMEDIATELY!

brocab:
If you knew your scriptures more clearly you would have knowing Jesus didn't pay tithes. Now understand these simple verses {Matthew 17:24-27} Now those who receive the temple tax came to Peter and said, does your teacher not pay the temple tax, "He said yes" And when Peter had come into the house Jesus asked Him saying Simon Peter, From whom to the Kings of the earth take Customs or tax, from their Sons or from Strangers? "Peter said to Him from Strangers" Jesus said to Him then the Sons are Free.
"Jesus said never the less at least we offend them" go to the sea, cast a hook and the first fish that comes up take the money and give it to them for you and Me.
Jesus didn't want to argue over the matter, so He sent Peter to collect the cash. Just to shut them up.

sir, Temple tax is different from tithe!, and these tax , Jesus did pay, even though he is not supposed to pay!
so brocab, do you pay tithe today!( plus notice if he will answer)
you also did not respond to the other issues too!

Jesus observed the sabbath like anyone who was under the mosaic law did.
You latch on to Jesus observation of the sabath, do you latch on to the other things Jesus did too? no.
do you observe the other festivals Jesus observed, NO ! , why don't you do that?
Do you observe the other holy commands of mosaic law like Jesus did? no !
do you do all the things related to the sabbath? no !

{Genesis 14} Abraham paid there Custom tithes, with goods that didn't belong to him. .
{Before we continual with the Sabbath Jesus broke the Sabbath rules-Jesus healed a mans hand, and it was your own countrymen the Pharisees who tried to make a mockery out of Jesus doing good. But you should know this, your own religious ancestors, wanted to murder the Christ. They did after 3 years. But He came and He done what He came for, Jesus saved the world.}

Jesus broke the Sabbath rules? wow!, plso explain how Jesus healing a man results to breaking of the rules. seems you know nothing about the Sabbath and it's rules in the mosaic law.

I do understand why you feel Jesus didn't do enough for you-and this is why you keep Jehovah God as your main attraction, I find this always with the Atheist rejecting Christ, we were all the same' until that final moment some of us found Christ-but others as yourself are still searching, this is why Jesus's name never really came into assistance to you. You may have been a JW all your life and still you don't know the scriptures, because you have never studied them because of your restricted attitude you have towards Christ..

this exists only in your mind, for tens of pages on this thread, I've been talking about Jesus and his God! quoting scriptures that contain jesus' own words.

I actually thought you were the studying type-but of course I was wrong about you-I should have realised you worship a God you don't even know-and you call yourself a JW and you had already denied Charles Russell manuscripts." You are more of a copywriter, without having the knowledge to study.
Well we Christians are always searching for the truth, and we find it. The lord said first seek the kingdom of God and all things shall be added to you.

yet you that study could not quote and explain certain scriptures!

here I found a little info for you about why you worship on the Sunday instead of the Sabbath Saturday.

hope the info will include how you came about sabbath sartu r day, and how Christians are to worship on sabbath sartuday!

Millions of Christians today keep that day as Holy as it were.
But If I was to worship on a Sunday, and the scriptures said Sunday isn't the Sabbath day, I would study whom gave the authority to change that day?

as a Christian, what day did the scriptures tell you to worship !

Yet for nearly 2000 years had past, now millions of Christians have worship on Sunday. "The Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath {Luke 6:5} Here Jesus stated His claim and forbid anyone to meddle with the Sabbath, Yet He knew their will be those who would claim the power to Change God's law. Through Daniel He warned of just such a man. Describing of a "Little horn power" {Daniel 7:8} Daniel describes he will speak against the Most High and oppress His Saints, and try to change the set times and the Laws" {Daniel 7:25}

King James Version
Lu 6:5And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
you have graduated from mentioning verses that do not exist to saying things about verses that are not present in them.

Mr 2:27, 28Then he said to them: “The Sabbath came into existence for the sake of man, and not man for the sake of the Sabbath.28So the Son of man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”

Ex 20:9, 10You are to labor and do all your work for six days,10but the seventh day is a sabbath to Jehovah your God. You must not do any work, neither you nor your son nor your daughter nor your slave man nor your slave girl nor your domestic animal nor your foreign resident who is inside your settlements.

does the scriptures say Christians should worship only on one day of the week? no
does the scriptures say Christians should worship on the sabbath? no

Paul made a similar prediction:" Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will appose and will exalt himself over everything he is called God or is worshipped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming Himself to be God. {2 Thessalonians 2:3-7}
{Here is something for you-The Pope claims he can forgive Sins}
Paul warned that the blasphemy was already at work, and that is will come not from the outside influence, but from within the Church {2 Thessalonians 2:7, Acts 20:28-30} Sure enough, not long after Paul's day, apostasy appeared in the Church.
About a 100 years before Christianity, Egyptian, Mithraists introduce the festival of Sunday, dedicated to worshipping the Sun, into the Roman empire. Later as Christianity grew, Church leaders wished to increase the numbers of the Church. In order to make the gospel more attractive to non Christians, pagan customs were incorporated into the Church ceremonies. The custom of Sunday worship was welcomed by Christians who desired to differentiate themselves from the Jews, whom they hated because of the Jew's rejection of the savoir. The first day of the began to be recognised as both a religious and civil holiday. By the end of the second century, Christians considered it sinful to work on Sunday.

pls, include birthday to this pagan influenced doctrine o!

The Roman emperor Constantine, a former Sun worshipper, confessed conversion to Christianity, through his subsequent actions suggest the "conversion" was more of a Political move then a genuine heart change. Constantine named himself bishop of the Catholic Church, and enacted the first civil law regarding Sunday Observance in A.D.321.
Firstly this information may shoot straight over your head, but at least with this information in front of you, you dolphinheart worship a day, that the Catholic Church had designed for religious witnesses as yourself.

has your write up been able to show they altered sabbath day? no
does the churches say they observe the sabbath on Sunday ? no
have you been able to show where Christians are supposed to observe the sabbath law? no
have you shown the day Christians are supposed to worship ? no !

your write up could not answer any of the questions above!

Secondly.
have you been able to prove the day dolphinheart worships ? no
because one worships on Sunday, will it automatically mean that one follows the law of the Catholic Church? no!
is it possible two organization's can choose same day for their worship, using different guidelines? Yes!

And if you don't know which day you should worship then I advise you to stay at home and study some of Romes history why they changed the Sabbath day, into the Sunday-History states through Pagan religion, they don't worship the SON they worship the SUN.

I will advise you to open ya mouth and tell which day Christians are supposed to worship !

You want answers but you aren't prepared to read or watch them-Secondly I gave you the video so maybe you could have learned something about History, but I suppose that's to difficult for you, to even know such knowledge.
I would hate to be a JW, it must be hard for you all, not allowed to study outside the Church, if the JW's are as good as they believe they are-then why do you believe in the unknown God and not Jesus

they do not believe in an unknown god, severAl times I've told you about their God, I'll tell you one more time !

[b]Joh 17:3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

1Jo 5:20But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us insight so that we may gain the knowledge of the one who is true. And we are in union with the one who is true, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting

1Co 1:3May you have undeserved kindness and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

1Co 8:5For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,”
1Co 8:6[u]there is actually to us one God, the Father,[/u] from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”[/b]

brocab, my god is not unknown, he is the god of Jesus, the father, the almighty God, Jehovah!

Dolphinheart's Quote> How does this affect the witnesses? The answer to this question it does, People from all walks of life are searching for the truth, and because of the many religious back grounds around the world, people are becoming more confused, and in most cases people walk the other way.
You believed Jesus tithed-the truth is He didn't tithe. With all the wrong teachings around the world, people run the other way.

you failed to address the "these" and how it affects the witnesses !

The KJV would be the most closes to the 1611 version written bible ever made.

and so ?
do they have most of the manuscripts available today then(at that time)? no!

If I had a JW at my door and a Mormon of the latter day saints at my door at the same time, what information do you believe I would receive about Jesus? None.. You don't preach it, so why should he

witnesses will tell you about Jesus, how God sent him to come and redeem us , how he will be king of God's Kingdom which he will use to solve all of mankind's problem , how he is the mediator between us and his God. They will also tell you how one can gain evaluating life through the knowledge of Jesus and the one who sent him, Jehovah, the father, the only true god !.

brocab:
I had seen it myself bro, Dolphinheart will never own up to the truth.

then it should be easy for you to post it na! right? , wrong!, cus you too refuse to post the full text of what you have seen!

johnw74:
Lie Lie dolphinheart

The thread - the OP, was about John 1:1, about God and the Word being God.

must I agree to what the op says,? no!
can I counter what the op says,? Yes
was the op right about God and the word? no
could the op counter my arguments and comment on the scriptures I used as proof? no
did I counted the ops arguement? Yes!

up till this moment, he could not show where he responded to my explanation!

and you false jw dolphinheart said concerning God and the Word: "your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."

did dolphinheart talk about God and the word?
has dolphinheart been able to proof without response from the op that the real god and the word is not his god? Yes !.
This is the reason why up till now, he cannot provide the transcript of what transpired in that thread!, he could only try and justify his accusations based on his understanding and could never provide the full texts of our posts.

PLS NOTE, HE IS USING THE PREVIOUS ISSUE TO COVER UP HIS INABILITY TO SHOW US WHERE HE RESPONDED TO MY EXPLANATION( the main issue at hand)

and you false jw dolphinheart continue to twist and lie and deny that referring to God and the Word you said: "your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."

you have still refused to apologise for your first accusation, but as you have decided to modify it without apology, you could not provide the post I said it!

and I did post a link to it, absolutely everything you said is lies, not just part of it, but all of it is lies.

you did not provide a link to my post sir!, you could provide a link to all the post , but you where asked to provide a link, to my post. I short , I dare you to post my full text in your next post if you can!
at least when issues of who said what comes up, I point to the date, time and page which the statement came up. This you gave refused to do!

Speaking lies is speaking naturally for you Lie Lie dolphinheart

Jesus is definately talking off false jw's here, as well as other habitual liars of course:

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

oga, show where you responded to my explanation and let's see!

PLS NOTE ONCE MORE, HE COULD NOT RESPOND, QUOTE AND EXPLAIN THE SCRIPTURES QUOTE TO HIM

brocab:
What dolphinheart failed to answer this one correctly. Does he ever answer any of them correctly?
Dolphinheart we know these websites are off limits for you, and the JW's don't approve you to read other sites that may lead you into the truth about Christ-but listen, no-one will know? But you need to understand One must be born again before he/she has anything to do with the divine nature. HE/SHE CAN NOT ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD WITHOUT BEING BORN AGAIN WHICH IS PART OF THE DIVINE NATURE.

being born again Is not part of the divine nature!, Paul like others where still battling with their present fleshy nature, despite being born again!.if you have divine nature, you wunt be flesh and blood, FLESH AND BLOOD CANNOT INHERIT GOD'S KINGDOM, BUT FLESH AND BLOOD CAN BE BORN AGAIN. THEREFORE, HAVING THE SPIRIT OF GOD DOES NOT MEAN YOU HAVE DIVINE NATURE!

If you chose not to listen to me, then at least give some thought and look into these web sites.
http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/2-peter-1-4.html

postrich it's content here, so all can know what you are talking about!

Look up this website below, and find out why your organisation won't educate you concerning the Word of God. http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/higher-education-university.php

post it's content here, so we can examine it.

Quote>Dolphinheart said>therefore brocab, divine nature cannot be in the flesh. Peter was still a mortal till he died, therefore he did not have divine nature till he died. Dolphinheart don't believe Paul as a man in the flesh was also filled with the Holy Spirit being a partaker of the divine nature before He died?

he will be a partaker or share in the divine nature after he died, after he had fought to the end!, divine nature cannot be in flesh nature, divine nature is divine, cannot be part of a slave nature.

If Paul didn't have the Spirit of God, the divine, then how did he have it after he had died?

never said Paul did not have gods spirit , that power and jesus promise is what Paul said will put them through that they may partake in the divine nature!, but he urged them to continue earnest effort (2 Peter 1: 5 ) and be more dililgent(verse 10). These is done to prevent falling by the way(remember they already have gods spirit o) and ensure they attain to that promise of jesus, which will ensure them partaking in the divine nature!

King James Version
Heb 4:11Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

paul, like others with the holy spirit, could still fall short having divine nature , hence he told them in verse 10

2Pe 1:10Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to make your calling and choosing sure for yourselves, for if you keep on doing these things, you will by no means ever fail.[/quote]what could make them fail? succumbing to their present nature flesh!

Heb 6:11But we desire each one of you to show the same industriousness so as to have the full assurance of the hope down to the end,
Heb 6:12so that you may not become sluggish, but be imitators of those who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
Paul like the others, have to hope down to the end, I bet you know what hope is, you can't still have hope in something if you already have that something! and this hope on the promise can only be achieved at the end! , with faith and patience( bet you understand what faith means!)

Read the promises again and decipher when it will come to pass, look at it and see if it can be achieved on earth!

Lu 22:29, 30and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom,
30so that you may eat and drink at my table in my Kingdom, and sit on thrones to judge the 12 tribes of Israel.

Joh 14:2In the house of my Father are many dwelling places. Otherwise, I would have told you, for I am going my way to prepare a place for you.

Ga 3:29Moreover, if you belong to Christ, you are really Abraham’s offspring, heirs with reference to a promise.

[quote]His flesh would end up in hell, where your flesh is heading.

you use heLl anyhow , when it suits you, it's flesh that will end up in hell, not soul again!

Having God's divine nature Paul was transformed into heaven {Philippians 3:20-21}

Php 3:20But our citizenship exists in the heavens, and we are eagerly waiting for a savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ,
Php 3:21who will transform our humble body to be like his glorious body by his great power that enables him to subject all things to himself.

brocab, this is the point where having divine nature occurs, when the promise is being fulfilled! Paul left his flesh nature and had divine nature.

and when will these occur?
1Co 15:42So it is with the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised up in incorruption.
1Co 15:49And just as we have borne the image of the one made of dust, we will bear also the image of the heavenly one.

when paul was talking, was he bearing the image of the heavenly one? no
2Pe 1:13But I consider it right, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you with reminders
2Pe 1:14knowing as I do that my tabernacle is soon to be removed, just as also our Lord Jesus Christ made clear to me.

Dolphinhearts second quote>therefore brocab you can have the holy spirit. Dolphinheart refuses to have the Spirit of God?
Isn't the Holy Spirit part of the Godhead the divine, and you refuse to have Him. No-wonder nothing you write makes any sense and your spirit is dead while trying to understand the scriptures.

continue saying things you don't know!

brocab:
Firstly I did give you the evidence about the Roman Catholic Church how they Changed the Sabbath Saturday into their Sun worship Sunday' But because you had refused to look in the video I provided for you on Page 95.

like I told you then, pls tell us what you learnt from the video, how did the Catholic Church change the sabbath day.?
How does this affect the witnesses?

Then their is nothing more I can say, you are just full of yourself I bet you don't even know which side of the bed you wake up on?[quote]not gonna go their with you
hope you have researched the day the isrealites have their sabath?
hope you can answer if Christians where given a particular day to worship ?

[quote]The Sabbath day was blessed as the day of worship by God Himself.
Am I writing to a child? It seems you still don't understand dolphinheart why people gather together on one day of the week, either it's on a Saturday or the Sunday, any day-but it's one day of the week everyone gathers together to worship in one accord.

brocab, use the scripture to proof the bolded above.
One day? who gathers in one day of the week ? pls be specific, if some people gather in one day of the week, it does not mean all people do it!

Jesus kept the Holy Sabbath-same with His disciples, they kept it too. But it was the Roman Catholic's who had changed it, from the Sabbath, to worship after their pagan beliefs, the Sun God, changing it into Sunday, and of course you are part of the many millions who have chosen to walk blind not knowing any history why Pagan religion is still active today.

ARE YOU SERIOUS!
Jesus observed the sabbath like anyone who was under the mosaic law did.
You latch on to Jesus observation of the sabath, do you latch on to the other things Jesus did too? no.
do you observe the other festivals Jesus observed, NO ! , why don't you do that?
Do you observe the other holy commands of mosaic law like Jesus did? no !
do you pay tithe like Jesus did ? no !
do you do all the things related to the sabbath? no !


King James Version
Col 2:16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Jesus preached and done Miracles on the Sabbath He done Miracles everyday-and He taught everyday. We teach everyday-we are spreading the gospel and the truth about Christ everyday.
[b]But theirs a day when the Christians gather together in one accord. And in your case you don't know who you worship I believe you worship "the SUN, but I don't believe you worship the SON.

@ bolded, you could not mention the day, neither could you give where such command is giving to Christians about that day!
are Christians supposed to gather only on one day of the week?
if so, what day is that?
where do we find such instruction in the scriptures?
again I ask, hope you have done a research about the day the sabbath occurs ?

solite3:
well dolphinsheart you are not making any sense Nehemiah 9:6 proves to any sane human being that angels are the invincible host of heaven, you are trying to differentiate worshipping host of heaven from worshipping idols. U don't know what idolatry is.

Idolatry is more than worshiping idols, the scriptures had been specific in what the isrealites worshipped.

King James Version
Eze 8:16And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD’S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.

Zep 1:4, 5“I will stretch out my hand against Judah And against all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, And I will wipe out from this place every vestige of Baʹal, The name of the foreign-god priests along with the priests,
5 And those who bow down on the rooftops to the army of the heavens, And those who bow down and pledge loyalty to Jehovah While pledging loyalty to Malʹcam;

you can see that the isrealites pratIced all kinds of false worship , there are those who bowed to baal, there also those who bow down to the hosts of heaven, the moon and the sun and stars, and there are those who try to pledge loyalty to god and a false god at the same time.
look again at Gods command and tell if God is not referring to the things in the heavens.
King James Version
De 4:19 And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.

what did Jehovah say they see when they lift their eyes up to heaven? The sun moon and stars and all the host of heaven, if you look up to the heavens , do you not see this things?
Are those things demons? no!

Jehovah said those those things are in heaven, are demons in heaven?

The host of heaven the Israelites worship were actually demons but the sun, moon and stars were only medium

you have started again, using false manmade analogy to surrport yourself, you can come up with any assumptions , but they are not true.
The sun , moon and stars are part of the hosts of heaven, you see a lot of the others at night when you look into heaven, eg planets, comets, moons, galaxies, etc.

In the beginning God CREATED the heaven and the earth
Angels may therefore be created along with the heavens. There is order heaven first before the earth.

continue to shift your stance small small , it might get in line with facts soon, hopefully.
The statement, god created the heaven and earth does not in anyway indicate order or rank in creation.
look at our physical earth in relation to the the heavens, the movement and laws guiding the existence of all these bodies and tell again if one was created before the other or all where undergoing creation during the same period!
earth and heaven where both created during the same period, in the beginning!

You ask if the Israelites where worshipping angels since angels are host of heaven. The answer is no. Why? First angels do not accept worship or obeisance whatsoever. Secondly angels do not live in this physical heavens but demons do because they have been driven away from heaven.

1. that angels do not accept worship does not mean they can't be worshipped sir!
2. you need to explain how you came about the belief that demons are in the physical heaven.

Revelation 2:28 tells you that all who overcomes will be given the name morning star does that mean they become angels?

King James Version
Re 2:28And I will give him the morning star.

you refusal to quote that bible verse shows
1. you can't answer the question asked : (note: the word morning stars, do you know where Jesus called himself such?)
2. you are trying to lie against the scriptures again!

solite3, you deliberately removed or refused to respond to this:

1. you deliberately ommited this one , you sad: "is it the father that came to this earth."
I replied:
no, but someone has said Jesus is the father, do you know who said so? I bet you know, but you can't fit mention!

2. well everyone can see you could not respond or explain the scriptures quoted to to the scriptures, I'll just point it to you again:
Joh 17:26 you where afraid to quote and explain these verse, expecially the underlined

solite3, if you are a truth full person, pls explain the verse above!
you could also not respond to this :
did it say god exalted himself,? no!
did it say Jesus exalted himself ? no !
Did that verse imply that that the one who was exalted is same as one doing the exalting? no!
therefore , "God ", reffered to In those verses is not Jesus.!
Isa 52:13 Look! My servant will act with insight. He will be raised up high, He will be elevated and greatly exalted
Ac 2:32, 33
you are a bad person solite3, for this what God wanted with his name :
1Ki 8:60
Eze 36:23
Eze 39:7

johnw74:
Lie Lie dolphinheart

Last time I done a search for lazy antichrist dolphinheart,
he then denied it for many posts, saying one lie after another,
page after page, even though I gave the link to him saying it,
false jw twisted and lied about what he said.

I have to admit false jw's are good at one thing:
using every means known to lie, twisting what is said, taking away from what is said, adding to what is said, etc, etc.


false jw dolphinheart said about God and the Word:

dolphinheart:

just like that issue on where he lied against me, that I said " god is a two headed god", he could not provide the date and time I said such. He adjusted his accusation without apologising, yet he still could not post the details or post the post where such statement was made.
He kept on trying to define and explain my statements, yet he could not provide the full texts of that post so that everyone can cross check his explanation , nor point out the post where such statement occurred .

This is the same thing he is doing now, claiming he responded to my explanation but Could not provide it !

brocab:
Firstly-I have already written about the divine nature and what the bible say's who retrieves such nature.
Sorry the JW's don't get a mention, unless one is born again he cannot enter into the kingdom of God..

good for you to note that it is only those those get into gods kingdom that will have that nature!, align that to if you have gods nature now and what needs to happen to those who will enter gods kingdom.

Secondly-Even a Child knows the scriptures? What day is the Sabbath day of the week.
Dolphinheart don't know.Your refusal to choose to stay in darkness, will blind you even more away from the truth. Not knowing why you practice pagan religion just shows how brain dead you sound.

On the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day, And God blessed this day and sanctified it, because he rested from all His work {Genesis 2:2-3} Because God rested on the seventh day.
He designated a Holy day to be remembered for all time.
"Remember the Sabbath day to keep it Holy," He says in the fourth commandment "Six days you shall labour and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God {Exodus 28:7-10}
{Exodus 20:11. Ezekiel 20:12} The Lord blessed the seventh day and Hallowed it. More over I will give them my Sabbath to be a sign between them and Me. It was a custom for the Jews to meet on the Sabbath Saturday, Jesus preached on the Sabbath, {Acts 17:2. 18:4} Paul's custom were to teach on the Holy Sabbath day of the week.

You yourself can see how lame you are! have you forgortten your statement :

I ask " if it's the pagan practises you are worried about-then why do you worship on pagan Sunday, Instead on the Sabbath Saturday?

did you forget my question:
" instead of Sabbath sartudday?, are you implying there was a day the scripture set aside for worship by Christians ?
instead of you to answer the question, you are here rambling about the Sabbath which you don't even know which day it occurs.

Jesus preached on the Sabbath, yes, did Jesus preach on other days too? Yes!
Did Jesus set a particular day for preaching or worship for Christians? no!

Paul preached on the Sabbath, yes, did Paul preach on other days too? Yes.
did Paul set a particular day for Christians to preach or worship?
why did Paul choose to have a custom to preach in the synagogue on a Sabbath?
1. He had senior access to the synagogue
2. He could use the occasion to preach, using the scriptures in the synagogue which he was very familiar with.
3. people where gathered there on a Sabbath so he could preach to them at once!
Ac 9:19, 20and he ate some food and gained strength. He stayed for some days with the disciples in Damascus,20and immediately in the synagogues he began to preach about Jesus, that this one is the Son of God.
Ac 13:13, 14Now Paul and his companions put out to sea from Paʹphos and arrived at Perga in Pam·phylʹi·a. But John left them and returned to Jerusalem.14However, they went on from Perga and came to Antioch in Pi·sidʹi·a. And going into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, they took a seat.
Ac 14:1Now in I·coʹni·um they entered together into the synagogue of the Jews and spoke in such a manner that a great multitude of both Jews and Greeks became believers.
Ac 18:4He would give a talk in the synagogue every sabbath and would persuade Jews and Greeks.

if you know there is no day set aside for Christians to worship, why do you then ask such question?
you need to go and do small research on when Sabbath day is for the Jews!

But the fact is, it was the Roman Catholic Church who had changed the Sabbath into the Sunday worship-because it reflects to there Sun worship of Pagan religion.
The Catholic's and dolphinheart had once again been exposed they both worship against the Christ-only to worship after other god's' god's that reflect back to their Sun.

can you see how silly your statements are!, you could not provide proof that the catholics changed the day of the sabath. are they observing the Sabbath or they choosed a day to worship their own god, like you just said above.
pls next time , know things well before laying accusations.
jehovahs witnesses have not set aside a day for worship!, they organize their fellowship on any day of the week !

you have always tried to find fault, but this one one of the lamest!, you want to condemn an organisation, but you have unwittingly added a large number of churches to your list.
so RCCG, WINNERS CHAPEL, etc, who have worship on Sundays are now worshiping sun god!

brocab:
DOLPHINHEART QUOTE-PLS TELL WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE PARTAKES OF THE DIVINE NATURE?
FIRSTLY I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ONE MUST BE BORN AGAIN BEFORE HE/SHE PARTAKES IN THE DIVINE NATURE.
WHICH LEAVES YOU OUT DOLPHINHEART YOU DON'T EVEN BELIEVE IN CHRIST WELL ENOUGH TO ACCEPT HIM AS YOUR LORD AND SAVOUR.

continue boasting, let him who things he stands beware that he does not fall!.
Seek Jehovah, all you meek ones of the earth, Who observe his righteous decrees. Seek righteousness, seek meekness. Probably you will be concealed on the day of Jehovah’s anger.

Answer-{2 Peter 1:3-4} Say's His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us to His own Glory and excellence, by which He had granted to us His precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakes of the divine nature. Having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire, {ESV Bible} The verse plainly say's that believers are made partakers of the divine nature" through God's promise, but what does this mean? To what extent can we be part of God's nature.

why do you always deliberately get the scriptures wrong, Did the verses say they will be partakers of divine nature through gods promise ? no!

let's start with verse 3
New International Version
His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness.

English Standard Version
His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence,

King James Bible
According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue.

do you understand what Peter said their? he says God's divine power, has given to them/ granted them(believers) all things that pertain to life and godliness/godly life/ godly devotion. These god did through the knowledge of him who called them to/by his OWN GLORY AND GOODNESS/VIRTUE/EXCELLENCE.

This is a very important verse to understand. do you remember what Jesus said in John 17 : 3: This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.

it is on these that verse 4 stands(note the underlined)
verse 4
[b]New International Version
Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

English Standard Version
by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire.

King James Bible
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.[/u]

hope you can see all that is involved before becoming partakers in the divine nature, it not just through a promise.

now the real issue at hand is , what is the divine nature and what does it mean to participate in it.
Note, Peter , despite having the holy spirit , has not participated in these divine nature o, neither have those he was talking to. hope you noticed the words " you may".
that they have not participated in the divine nature can also be Deduced from the promises themselves.

Lu 22:29, 30and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom,
30so that you may eat and drink at my table in my Kingdom, and sit on thrones to judge the 12 tribes of Israel.

Joh 14:2In the house of my Father are many dwelling places. Otherwise, I would have told you, for I am going my way to prepare a place for you.

Ga 3:29Moreover, if you belong to Christ, you are really Abraham’s offspring, heirs with reference to a promise.
since these promises had not been fulfilled when Peter was writing these, it also means he is not yet partaking in the divine nature.

The key to understand this concept is to recognise what the bible means when it refers to our "Nature".
Every human is born with a sin nature, a natural bent towards pleasing self"{Romans 5:12, 7:14}

King James Version
Ro 5:12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

King James Version
Ro 7:14For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal,(human, flesh, fleshly) sold under sin.
hope with the quoting of these verse, we can understand that sin is not our nature, but our nature which is flesh, fleshly , human is sold under sin.
that is why Paul could further say :

King James Version
Ro 7:15For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

King James Version
Ro 7:18For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

King James Version
Ro 7:20Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

so brocab, our nature is human, but we are presently under sin influence , not that we have sin nature!

]Our natural selves can not please God {Romans 8:8}

that verse was talking about those who are under the control of the flesh, not all humans.

No matter how hard we try to do good, our motivations are underlying desires, are please and promote ourselves. That sin nature keeps us from fellowship with God, keeps us in bondage to sin, and leads eventually to spiritual death {Romans 5:16, 23, 7:14. 2 Peter 2:19}

King James Version
Ro 5:16And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

I DO NOT KNOW WHICH TRANSLATION YOU ARE USING , BUT CAN YOU PLS CAN YOU QUOTE WHAT ROM 5: 16 ,23 SAYS .
*This is one of the side effects of copy and paste and refusal to quote scriptures.

King James Version
2Pe 2:19While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

lemme add this scripture:
Ro 6:16Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey, either of sin leading to death or of obedience leading to righteousness?

There are countless humans who have been obedient to god, despite being under sins influence, sometimes the flesh causes them to sin, but they did not allow it gain control of their lives.

We cannot free ourselves from sin, because we cannot change our own natures, Just as a tiger cannot change it's own stripes.
That's why we need a savour, Jesus said there is only one way we can get a new, divine nature. He said you must be born again {John 3:3}
Only a complete new birth can bring about the radical change of nature required to fellowship with the Holy God.
Mental agreement with God's Word is not enough to change our sin nature.
"WE MUST BE SAVED" from the natural {Ephesians 2:8-9. Titus 3:5}
Salvation implies that we were helpless, and we have been rescued from the evil bent from our human nature.
When we come to Christ in faith, accepting His death and resurrection as our substitute, we declare Him to be our lord in our lives {Romans 10:8-9} At that moment the Holy Spirit "BIRTHS" us into the family of God. Our old nature is defeated, and we receive a NEW DIVINE NATURE that desires the things of God {2 Corinthians 5:17}

after going on a wild goose chase, you just blew it up when you came back to the topic at hand,
your refusal to quote those scriptures has afforded you the chance to change the words as used in those verses, and thus make it look like it is talking about divine nature.
is Peter and the believers changed man/ men? Yes
was Peter and the believers given divine power? Yes
did Peter say he and the believers have divine nature? no
will continue on these below.

When Christ died for us, He became our sin, so that when we come to Him in faith, we gain His righteousness {2 Corinthians 5:21} It is a divine exchange: our sin for His perfection. TO BE BORN AGAIN MEANS WE ARE RECREATED AS NEW PEOPLE WITH A NEW NATURE.
Believers have a divine nature, and no-longer have to be enslaved to the passions of sin to the flesh {Romans 6:6,14} {1 John 3:9} Say's No one who is born of God will continual to sin, Because GOD'S SEED REMAINS IN THEM. they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.
When we share in His divine nature" we begin to desire the things God desires. We love what He loves, and we hate what He hates.{Galatians 5:22. 1 John 4:4} We have the power to conquer every temptation that comes against us {1 Corinthians 10:13} God declares that we are "more than conqueror's" because of the power of the Holy Spirit who dwells within our hearts {Romans 8:37} Sin no-longer controls the one who has become a partaker of the divine nature. By given us His nature, GOD MAKES US HIS SONS AND DAUGHTERS AND CONFORMS US TO THE IMAGE OF HIS SON {Romans 8:29. 2 Corinthians 6:18}...................
WHAT WILL BE THE FALSE ALLEGATIONS DOLPHINHEART WILL HAVE AGAINST THE BIBLE THIS TIME?
In summary, the Godhead is the essence of the Divine being: the Godhead is one and only deity; Jesus incarnated Godhead. Entered our world and showed us who God is, No-one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who Himself God, and is close relationship with the Father, has made Him known {John 1:18. Hebrews 1:3}

now let's see where you got it wrong? you attributed divine nature to those who must be saved from the natural, if they where saved from the natural Peter and others will not be admonishing them to put on effort to do certain things, so that they will not fail !(2 Peter 1: 5-11)

[b]2Ti 4:7, 8I have fought the fine fight, I have run the race to the finish, I have observed the faith.8From this time on, there is reserved for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, will give me as a reward in that day, yet not to me only, but also to all those who have loved his manifestation.

Php 2:12Consequently, my beloved ones, just as you have always obeyed, not only during my presence but now much more readily during my absence, keep working out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

2Ti 2:15Do your utmost to present yourself approved to God, a workman with nothing to be ashamed of, handling the word of the truth aright.

Heb 4:11Let us therefore do our utmost to enter into that rest, so that no one may fall into the same pattern of disobedience.

Jude 3Beloved ones, although I was making every effort to write you about the salvation we hold in common, I found it necessary to write you to urge you to put up a hard fight for the faith that was once for all time delivered to the holy ones.[/b]

secondly, you made a blunder, there is a big difference between continuing to sin and sin itself, you can sin, but not continue to commit sins.

another mistake you made is the mentioning of God making us his sons and daughters, do you know when this will occur?
Ro 8:23Not only that, but we ourselves also who have the firstfruits, namely, the spirit, yes, we ourselves groan within ourselves while we are earnestly waiting for adoption as sons, the release from our bodies by ransom.
do you see how this verse splits your doctrine apart? they have the spirit, which you say makes you have the divine nature, but are they yet fully sons of God? no , they are earnestly waiting for the adoption as sons. they are still in their fleshly , human bodies, despite gaining control over it, they gave nor been released yet.

Re 21:7Anyone conquering will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be my son.

brocab, you can have the holy spirit, you can overcome your fleshly nature which is under sin, but they are all a means to and end and not the end itself, it does not mean you have divine nature, it means you are in line to reCieve that promise . It is more than not continue sinning, cus you wunt sin in the first place. It is more than also having power over the flesh cus you would not be in the flesh, those with divine nature will be children of God, being in God's Kingdom, and the scriptures had made it clear that flesh and blood cannot inherit that Kingdom.

1Co 15:53For this which is corruptible must put on incorruption, and this which is mortal must put on immortality.

1Pe 1:3, 4Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for according to his great mercy he gave us a new birth to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4to an incorruptible and undefiled and unfading inheritance. It is reserved in the heavens for you,

1Jo 3:2Beloved ones, we are now children of God, but it has not yet been made manifest what we will be. We do know that when he is made manifest we will be like him, because we will see him just as he is.

Re 20:6Happy and holy is anyone having part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and they will rule as kings with him for the 1,000 years

therefore brocab, divine nature cannot be in the flesh. Peter was still a mortal till he died, therefore he did not have divine nature till he died.

Ro 8:30Moreover, those whom he foreordained are the ones he also called; and those whom he called are the ones he also declared to be righteous. Finally those whom he declared righteous are the ones he also glorified.

hope you can see the sequence.

HE IS TRYING TO CHANGE THE ISSUES AGAIN, WHEN THEY ARE EXPOSED , THAT'S WHAT THEY DO.

brocab:
It doesn't matter how many times we have explained to you the word-you will always find away to argue the point-which gives us knowledge you haven't the slightest idea which bible you should be reading-I believe you should stick with the bible you know best, the KJV, and not your own bible "which of course the NWT confuses you.

who be "we", you that could not quote and explain certain scriptures, now want to determine the translation one will use, I've quoted from the kjv to you, you could not reply.

Everything sounds dripple to you-only because you are swapping from one bible to another, trying to prove your senseless point.

see excuse, so that's why you too decided to dribble yourself by saying we are part of divine nature cus we are made in God's image, then you contradict yourself with" by the promise, we MAY BECOME SHARERS in divine nature! . wish one should we believe, are we part/participants/ sharers of divine nature which you ascribed to the godhead or are we to become part of it at a later date!

The bible was written simple, you don't need rocket science to know the scriptures, a Child at the age of 12 years can read and understand the word of God, we just need the Spirit of God to guild us. This is why we Christians read the bible as it sounds-because we search the scriptures and find the answers from God Himself.

you need the spirit of God to guide us to do what? pls always complete your statements.

But you in the other hand dolphinheart 'you are relying on your own understanding to find any answers, you not having the Spirit of God to guild you-shows the spirit in you is dead.
Did you not know the word is a living word, and the word has been given to us Christians, who had decided to believe in Christ and become born again Christians-as the word had told us to do.
Dolphinheart the word is alive, like He was from the beginning in each of us, like the Father lived in Jesus and Jesus lived in the Father, His word lives on.
You in the other hand-are trying to work your way up without faith to be with Jehovah, you yourself don't recognise the Spirit of God, only because you have refused to believe God's Spirit lived in Jesus. Nor do you believe Jesus and God are one the same.

nice one, only that I've seen such tactics used before, ego rountrippling, making claims that cannot be investigated, making accusations that cannot be verified so that you can sound important and spirit filled.

Every Christian knows nothing is done without the Spirit of God. Jesus didn't work alone-He needed the Father, just as the Father needed Him, we need Him both-to work though us, with us, and work around us. Without the Spirit of God you are dead.

him both?, because saying it correctly will expose you, you have decided to falsify English!
well the scriptures has separated "them", not him, and says we gain evaluating life by knowing them , not him.

Joh 17:3This means everlasting life, their coming to know you,(1st person) the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.(2nd person)
Joh 17:4I have glorified you on the earth,(2nd person glorifying 1st person) having finished the work you have given me to do.(2nd person does the work of first person )

I've told you before brocab, nowadays, the only way you can alter what the scripture says is to claim the holy spirit helped you to do so, cus you know you can easily lie that you have the holy spirit. but do you know how I can decipher if you are telling the truth or not, it is done through questions, examinING the scriptures and checkING the persons character and behavior. you have failed in all this three .
1. For months now, you have made statements, but once a question is asked about those statements, you falter and try to change the topic, or you refuse to respond .
2. For months now, you have been asked to quote and explain certain scriptures, but you refuse to cus they will render your beliefs as false.
3. as for your character, you have tried to defame others, saying things about them that you can't prove. you have lied deliberately and acted shifty when it comes to issues under discussion, you try to raise yourself above others, claiming to have things that they don't have, thinking such statements will mean you are saying the truth.

{Matthew 8:22} Jesus told them follow Me, and let the dead bury the dead
Why Is this so hard for you to understand Christ lives in each of us, He had told His disciples He will send them another helper the Holy Spirit-who you yourself have denied He is a person and this person is part of the Godhead, these 3 are 1.

you are a very funny guy, Ive shown you how your for fathers added words into the scriptures to support their trinity, it has been proven to you that those words where not in the scriptures initially, evedence has been shown to you on how the addition took place. But when I Did so, all you could do was change the topic, cuso you could not refute the fact.

Jesus lived in His Father and the Father lived in Him, we can do nothing without having to Lord living in us, In the name of Jesus-is the name above every other name 'either in the heavens, on Earth, and under the earth.[/qoute]
big question for you brocab, and I know you will not answer, who gave Jesus that name, did Jesus give himself that name ?

[quote]Every knee shall bow down to Jesus, and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Jesus is Jehovah God who's coming in the clouds that every eye will see-Who is who was, and who is coming.

this is a perfect example of cut and paste with addition of some fasle words in the middle,
if you are confident that my accusations above is false, pls quote the scriptures where you got those statements from, everyone will see that you deliberately omitted some points in those verses which would have rendered your statements false.

The Holy Spirit is used back then as He is used today, without the Holy Spirit-we can't do nothing without Him the Son nor the Father. Is it really impossible for you to realise, Jesus said go out unto all the world baptising them, in the Name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit. No organisation or no Church building is mentioned. Why because the Church is the body, and the body is Christ.

brocab, do you go about babtizing people?
how do you go about baptising people?
what is the name of the holy spirit?
pls note he will not answer these questions !

{Matthew 23:13} "But who unto you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, for ye shut up the Kingdom of heaven against men; for ye neither go in yourselves, nor will you allow those who want to enter in.
Listening to you dolphinheart really makes a difference on peoples lives, you won't go into heaven nor will you allow anyone else to go in.

that thought, only exist in your mind.

Don't you realise the truth about Christ is travelling at a faster rate across the nations, the word of God is spreading faster then you think dolphinheart, and their is nothing you can do to stop it.

yep, in many lands, the good news is being preached everyday, in homes and on the streets.

What? Is this true You don't understand about the Pagan Sunday? Most Churches carry on the pagan practices.
Forget your comeback-Check out this video's below it may help you understand the importance, we all need to know about Paganism.

if you can't in your own words tell about pagan Sunday, then you should not have mentioned it.
I asked you if god set a day for us to worship !

And your Church as well as every other Church are practising Pagan religion.
History about the Pagan Isis goddess-and later it was Constantine-who brought the Pagan worship into the Roman Catholic Churches-and since then under Rome the Roman Catholic's had never Changed their Sun worship from Sun-day. God said you shalt not worship any other God, and Him only you shall serve.
Pagans believe in "Queen Isis, and the Catholic's believe in Mary-but the Sabbath is the last day of the week-when God finished His work.
Have you ever seen inside the Vatican, their are pictures and statues of Suns everywhere-look On the clothing the Popes and the priest wear-it has the Sun pictured on their backs.
It is really interesting, to watch this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xta31joiIhU

guy, in what way does this affect me that try to worship god everyday, do I look like a catholIc to you. simple questions asked, you are saying something else!

note: for the 4th time running, you failed to answer this question :
PLS BROCAB, IN YOUR REPLY TO THIS POST, PLS TELL, WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE PARTAKERS OF THE DIVINE NATURE.
note: some translations use "share", "sharers" , "participate".

johnw74:
false jw cannot help but lie again and again.

Truly I did respond to false jw's post,
you may not have liked my response , but that's your problem isn't it, and it is there isn't it,
Lie Lie dolphinheart

I posted the scriptures, and of course they are perfectly true,
but false jw responded to the scriptures I posted, twisting and denying the plain meaning of them.

Lie Lie dolphinheart


Jesus is Jehovah:


Jehovah
Psa 102:25 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.

Jesus
Heb 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:


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Jehovah
Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Jesus
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.


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Jehovah
Deu 10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:

Jesus
Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Incidentally, see at Deut 17:14 God is referred to as a mighty God, and we know that God is also referred to as Almighty God, they are not two gods, a mighty god and an almighty God as false jw say.


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Jehovah
Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Jesus
Joh 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.


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Jehovah
Psa 130:7 Let Israel hope in the LORD: for with the LORD there is mercy, and with him is plenteous redemption.
Psa 130:8 And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.

Jesus
Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.


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Jehovah
Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Jesus
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.


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Jehovah
Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Jesus
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.





The Jehovah verses are referring to Jehovah
and
the Jesus verses are referring to Jesus.

But there are deceivers and antichrists that will twist it all around.

2Jn_1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

deceiving antichrist jw would say: a god, an angel, has come into the World,
a god, an angel, is the saviour of the World.

Christians know it's God that saved us.

3:4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Tit 3:6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

Notice verse 4, the Father is "our Saviour"
and in verse 6, Jesus Christ is "our Saviour"

Jesus is Jehovah, our Saviour.

EVERY CAN SEE ONE MORE TIME, HE COULD NOT POST HIS RESPONSE TO MY EXPLANATION OF THOSE SCRIPTURES.

you could not show your response, but you want to talk about if I liked it or not! imagine

johnw74:
Lie Lie dolphinheart

I did respond, but false jw loves to lie,
I saw your lies and twisting and explaining away the true meaning of every one of those verses,
but they are true, and show that Jehovah is Jesus.

false jw loves to lie.

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then it will be easy for you to show us na! so what is holding you!
pls show where you responded to my explanation of those scriptures !

pls note that he will not !

brocab:

Everyone already knows you aren't a man of God-and everything you say against a Christian-only leads back to you.

that knowledge sir, exists only in your mind, a mind trained to refuse to see , quote and explain certain scriptures.

Matter of fact you are quiet funny, and I only reply back to you, because you do mock the KJ bible, and most of the other bibles as well.

and if I ask you to show me where I did the mocking now, you wunt be able to respond! always ready to lay false accusations but never ready to defend it!

And yet you can't seem to take your eye's away from them when quoting the scriptures?
You don't use your own bible-why is that

you've asked this question before, and I've answered you.

This must prove the KJ version holds the truth, who God really is.

see reasoning!

{John 17} If you were to say to me, after I had seen you do many miracles like Jesus had done, raising the dead, healing the sick, preaching the word etc..
And without my understanding the word of God, I would also think the same as you, having completely no understanding what had just happened.
But because I have become a Christian, and I had seen you do all these wonderful things, and you said to me, you are in the Father and the Father is in you. I would believe you, because as a Christian, I know Jesus couldn't do anything without His Father, I and the Father are one.

did I say I did not believe Jesus and the father are not one? no , so you just ranted for nothing. look at what I said again and let's see it you will say it's a lie

"could you explain those scriptures? no , I've quoted them and explained them to you before.
The underlined parts of John 17 helps explain what Jesus meant by " I and the Father are one, does it not?, does it not show you that Jesus is not saying " I and the Father are one God? . does it not show you that Jesus is talking about unity of purpose ?
I do know you will not respond!

{John 17:20-22} I do not pray for these alone, but also those who will believe in Me through their word, that they maybe one, as you, Father, one in Me, and I in You; that they also maybe One in Us, that the world may believe that you sent Me. And the glory which you gave Me, I have given them, that they are one just as we are One.[/b]

Trinity doesn't need to be written in the bible-its just another word used for Godhead, the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit, and these 3 are One, otherwise I and the Father are One.

yes trinity is not written in the scriptures, it had to be fomulated by men , using words and statements they had illegally added into the scriptures!
its sad to hear you say trinity is another word for godhead, why do you use trinity (man made word) instead of godhead( the one you claim is in the bible), why does the kjv not translate the three different words in the Hebrew texts to be trinity instead of Godhead.

It's not ok to add the trinity theory-but it seems its ok for you to add-Jesus didn't say He is One God. When the bible correctly said I and the Father are one.

yes, because Jesus did not say " he is one God". do not add to what the scriptures say.

In stead of mocking, why don't you read the scriptures before you start judging us.
If the pagan name is bothering you, because we Christians use the name Trinity, than I ask " if it's the pagan practises you are worried about-then why do you worship on pagan Sunday, Instead on the Sabbath Saturday?

well , I've been quoting and explaining the scriptures on these thread, why would I not read them before explaining.
pagan Sunday?, I don't understand what you mean by pagan Sunday, what is pagan Sunday?
instead of Sabbath sartudday?, are you implying there was a day the scripture set aside for worship by Christians ?, cus me I try to worship god everyday o!

{Matthew 12:48} Jesus said who is My mother and who are my brothers, and then He turned towards His disciples and said these are My mother and My brothers for who does the will of My Father is My mother and My brothers and sisters.
This scripture say's it as it sounds, Jesus calls them family.
You always try and find ways to disbelieve in the scriptures, trying to make a mockery out of God's word.

wait! I've I ever said anything different about that verse?, you just brought a verse up, and lay false accusations. who does that!

{2 Peter 1:2-4} is another scripture you had refuse to believe. These scriptures may not sound to you dolphinheart, but as a Christian these verses are clear to me? And these scriptures shows we are part of God's nature, we have been made in His and Jesus's image.. {Genesis God said let Us make Man in "Our" image-so which image was The Lord God preferring too?}
We are all made for God's purpose, everything He made was made for Him.
KJ Version {v 4} By the promises we may become shares in the divine nature.
Does this mean because we have chosen to believe in Christ?
You wouldn't believe it, but without you knowing it, we are actually part of God's creation {Ephesians 2:10}
We are part of God's divine plan {Ephesians 1:11, Romans 8:28, 1 Corinthians 12:6, Psalms 135:6} everything that God had made we have been moulded by His Hands being part of His creation, the heavens, the skies, the angels, everything, God needed us, just as much, as we need Him.
It's a pity dolphinheart you can only see-what is put in front of you-you can't go beyond your teaching status-Jesus is calling you into His kingdom and all you need to do is accept His call.

can you see how you dribble yourself , we are part of divine nature cus we are made in God's image, then you contradict yourself with" by the promise, we MAY BECOME SHARERS in divine nature! . wish one should we believe, are we part/participants/ sharers of divine nature which you ascribed to the godhead or are we to become part of it at a later date!

well verse 4 clears it for you brocab, you are not yet part of the divine nature , and no matter the number of "I am this , I am that " you say, this truth will remain standing.

For a third time running , you failed to answer this question :
PLS BROCAB, IN YOUR REPLY TO THIS POST, PLS TELL, WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE PARTAKERS OF THE DIVINE NATURE.
note: some translations use "share", "sharers" , "participate".

solite3:
Mr dolphins heart I salute your reasoning, clap for yourself.

thank you, but since it's you that is saluting, you can also do the clapping.

hmm dolphinsheart you are high own watch tower liquor.

you can say wateva you want, I've noticed you act this way when you cannot refute the explanation given, you either ignore it or try to yab your way out. I'll just repeat the truth you can't dispute :
"the verse said " in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth".
The first part of the sentence is tied to the second part , so we can say god created the heaven and the earth in the beginning.

your are a mockery

again, derogatory speech is what you employ when you find an issue or question impossible to deny or handle. EVERYONE CAN NOW SEE YOU COULD NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION , AS EXPECTED , YOU COULD NOT ANSWER!
" with this, it means the heavens and earth had a beginning,no be so?( pls note if he will respond to this statement that " the heavens and earth had a beginning"

everyone knows the heaven and earth had a beginning , but agreeing to such will make your logic about beginning look false!.

why did the bible use the word "created" if beginning means created.
John didn't say in the beginning God created the word but it said in the beginning was the word. Can you spot the difference? So sad your are high

did I say "beginning means created" ? no! , so who is now high!, resorting to character defamation when you have been found wrong will not help you,
this is what I said :
" note again that in the instance that something had a beginning ,it also means that thing was created!"

if you had answered the preceeding sentence or you had left the questions and this sentence above together, you would have understood better. now is my statement wrong?, is it not a fact that if something has a beginning then it is created? you could see that fact in the statement, but since it will affect your beliefs, you decided to twist what I said and accuse me on what I did not say.
solite3 beginning does not mean created, but anything that has a beginning is created , no be so ?(PLS NOTE HE WILL NOT RESPOND TO THIS )

a very big lie. Angels where never created before the heavens. To set the record straight. Angels are called the hosts of heaven. Luke 2:13, and see what d bible said about them, genesis 2::1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
You see that the heavens and its hosts were created. Note: heavens in plural meaning not just one heaven but heaven in general which God created in the beginning

1.) One can see how very cunning you are, look at the bolded above, you want to defend your lie by using only heavens, cus if you had used heaven and earth as used in genesis 1:1, you would have been found wanting!

2. )now let me bust your bubble a little bit about the record you tried to set straight.
you mentioned luke 2: 13, but you refused to quote it, we all know why.
luke 2:13 from different translations
New International Version
Suddenly a great company of the heavenly host appeared with the angel, praising God and saying,
New Living Translation
Suddenly, the angel was joined by a vast host of others--the armies of heaven--praising God and saying,
English Standard Version
And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying,
King James Bible
And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,
International Standard Version
Suddenly, a multitude of the Heavenly Army appeared with the angel, praising God by saying,
GOD'S WORD® Translation
Suddenly, a large army of angels appeared with the angel. They were praising God by saying,

solite3, did any of those translations use "host of heaven", no! non used it, you can argue all you want, but the plain fact is that NON USED " HOST OF HEAVEN".
Solite3, you had to use another lie to surport a first lie.

3.)you quoted gen 2: 1.: Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. The word "them" their is referring to what? The host of the heavens and earth, not the heavens alone!

4. now let me tell you about the host of heaven using the scriptures.

jer 8:2
New International Version
They will be exposed to the sun and the moon and all the stars of the heavens, which they have loved and served and which they have followed and consulted and worshiped. They will not be gathered up or buried, but will be like dung lying on the ground.
King James Bible
[b]And they shall spread them before the sun, and the moon, and all the host of heaven,[/u] whom they have loved, and whom they have served, and after whom they have walked, and whom they have sought, and whom they have worshipped: they shall not be gathered, nor be buried; they shall be for dung upon the face of the earth.

solite3 ,did you see host of heaven in the kjv here? Yes it's there!
what did the KJV refer to as the host of heaven? THE SUN AND THE MOON AND ALL THE STARS OF THE HEAVENS!
I know you wunt answer this question, but I will ask anyway, pls tell, are the sun and the moon the isrealites worshipped the angels?

Let's dig deeper.

jer 19:13 King James Bible
And the houses of Jerusalem, and the houses of the kings of Judah, shall be defiled as the place of Tophet, because of all the houses upon whose roofs they have burned incense unto all the host of heaven, and have poured out drink offerings unto other gods.

King James Bible
2 cor 33:3 For he built again the high places which Hezekiah his father had broken down, and he reared up altars for Baalim, and made groves, and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served them

King James Version
De 4:19And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.
HOPE ALL CAN SEE THE HYPOCRISY OF SOLITE3, HE WAS QUICK TO POINT TO THE VERSE THAT HE THINkS SUPPORT HIS VIEWS , BUT HE COULD NOT POINT TO VERSES WHERE THE KJV SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED "HOST OF HEAVEN ".
WE SHALL SEE IF HE WILL QUOTE AND EXPLAIN THIS SCRIPTURES ABOVE!

5.) now let us go back to the initial lie, that God created the heavens and earth before the angels.
I said it's a lie and that the angels where created before God created the heavens and the earth.
here is my proof :
Job 38:4Where were you when I founded the earth? Tell me, if you think you understand.
Job 38:5Who set its measurements, in case you know, Or who stretched a measuring line across it?
Job 38:6Into what were its pedestals sunk, Or who laid its cornerstone,
Job 38:7When the morning stars joyfully cried out together, And all the sons of God began shouting in applause?

unless you want to tell me that the sons of God are not angels, pls believe it when I tell you that the angels where in existence before God created the heavens and earth.
(note: the word morning stars, do you know where jesus called himself such?)

the home of angels is where, how will they exist before their home.

we can look at it from two angles.
A. If the father and jesus , who are spirits existed before the creation of the heaven and earth, the angels, who are also spirits could exist before the creation of heaven and earth.
B . The heavens that the mentioned in gen 1: 1 is not the heavens where God resides , where the angels too reside.

the bible never said angels existed before the heavens. Your confusion is at a new height again.
Read again genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

your claims have been examined and proved to be false, therefore we can say "in the beginning" of gen 1:1 will therefore be reffering to the beginning of the creation of heaven and earth, not the begginING of the creation of God, or are you saying the heavens and earth has no beginning?

yes the only time it was in gensis was chapter1

well , one must always lie to support a lie!, look at what you said below:
" the bible never uses that word again in respect to creation"

I responded to you saying :
"you say the bible never used that word(which I believe you mean " beginning" again in respect to creation, pls read rev , 3:14, matt 19:4 and 2 pet 3:4.".
solite3 , is genesis the bible!
apart from the issue of creation, the Hebrew word translated to " in the beginning" is used in other places apart from genesis!

smh the beginning used in genesis is used in connection with creation but the beginning of the creation of God is Christ title as the source which totally agrees with the bible.

"in the beginning is used in connection to wateva it comes before sir.
"In the begining" in gen 1:1 let's us know the heavens and earth had a beginning
"In the beginning" in Jer 26: 1, let us know that the reign of jehoiaKim had a beginning, likewise, jer 27:1
" in the beginning" in jer 49:34 , let's us know that the reign of zedekia had a beginning
" in the beginning" in John 1: 1, let's us know that the word had a beginning!

please go to your dictionary and check the meaning of beginning. I only use the alternate word for beginning which is source

now let's use source to replace beginning in John 1:1, "in the source was the word". does that make sense, can you see your folly? alternate source for beginning in all other occurrences in the scriptures and see how large your folly is.

please can you quote it from Jerusalem bible

why? , did the king James version translate it wrongly?

calm down dolphins go to your dictionary and do the needful instead of this rant

beginning:
1. The act of doing that which begins anything; commencement of an action, state, or space of time; entrance into being or upon a course; the first act, effort, or state of a succession of acts or states.
2. That which is begun; a rudiment or element.
3. That which begins or originates something; the first cause; origin; source.
4 . The initial portion of some extended thing.

of all the explanations given there , you decided to choose only one, and when we applied it to the sentence in John 1:1, it did not make sense!

be- gin- ning
an act or circumstance of entering upon an action or state:
the point of time or space at which anything begins :
www.dictionary.com/browse/beginning

:the point or time at which something begins
:a starting point
:the first part of something
beginnings : an early stage or period .
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/beginning


the first part of something or the start of something
the origin of something, or the place, time, or way in which something started
dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/beginning

how does this relate to what I am saying.

I shows you that jesus was created!

firstborn means the most exalted. Psalm 89

good , firstborn of all creation them means the most exalted among all of creation.

is it the father that came to this earth.

no, but someone has said jesus is the father, do you know who said so? I bet you know, but you can't fit mention!

you are right Jesus himself took part of the creation by becoming a man this is what we have been trying to tell you. But y didn't you use this your logic when you said Jesus has same nature as God, does it not mean that Jesus is God.

nop, read prov 8: 22-31. also the firstborn must be the first to be born of whichever category he is in.
firstborn of a goat, must be the first of the goats offprings,
firstborn of man must be the first of the man's offspring's
firstborn of all creation must be the first created.

you can apply this same logic of mine to the statement, "jesus has same nature as god" , it means jesus is a god? The only begotten God like some manuscripts say!

that is why Jesus called us his brethren not angels.

hope your statement is in agreement to the question I stated after quoting that scripture to you
"[b] Ro 8:28 We know that God makes all his works cooperate together for the good of those who love God, those who are the ones called according to his purpose;
Ro 8:29because those whom he gave his first recognition he also foreordainedto be patterned after the image of his Son, so that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.
can you see the difference between God that the apostle mentioned and Jesus? iF you cannot see it add this verse to it so it becomes clearer.

hmm Jesus pleading on our behalf shows he is an high priest

jesus is high priest to who? god!
let's just say you did not see the underlined , that's why you could not the question, so I decided to show you again:

"Ro 8:34Who will condemn them? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that the one who was raised up, who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us.
1s Jesus the same person with the one he is sitting at the right hand of?( I know you will not answer this question )

I didn't say Jesus is the same person as the father but Jesus himself is Jehovah God the creator

you are quick to leave the question I asked you so that you can answer the question I did not ask you, new tactics discovered.

but Jesus himself did not teach his disciples using Jehovah's personal name since the disciples were going to preach to the gentles it would have been a good way to teach about God's name but he choose not to

by your own words you are calling jesus a liar! For jesus said this :

[b]Joh 17:26 I have made your name known to them and will make it known, so that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them.”
you are saying jesus did not make gods name know while he lied that he had made it known.

you where afraid to quote and explain these verse, expecially the underlined
[b]Joh 17:6“I have made your name manifest to the men whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours, and you gave them to me, and they have observed your word.
solite3, if you are a truth full person, pls explain the verse above!

you could also not respond to this :
did it say god exalted himself,? no!
did it say Jesus exalted himself ? no !
Did that verse imply that that the one who was exalted is same as one doing the exalting? no!
therefore , "God ", reffered to In those verses is not Jesus.!

[b]Isa 52:13 Look! My servant will act with insight. He will be raised up high, He will be elevated and greatly exalted.
Ac 2:32, 33 God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses
.33Therefore, because he was exalted to the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out what you see and hear.

angels are mere servants

show where that is written , don't just mention it, quote it.

Jesus never on his own authority as a man mention Jehovah's name but instead called him Father. Today Christians all over the world follow this example including the translators of kjv.

haha, so jesus called Jehovah father right! see ya hypocrisy, and I've been telling you that Jehovah is the father of jesus for ages , u just confirmed that I'm right !

so because you feel jesus did not mention Jehovah, which is false anyway, the kjv now has a right to replace gods name in places which god himself has inspired that his name should be written, which the writers had painstakingly recorded.
you are a bad person solite3, for this what God wanted with his name :

1Ki 8:60so that all the peoples of the earth may know that Jehovah is the true God. There is no other!

Eze 36:23‘I will certainly sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the nations, which you profaned among them; and the nations will have to know that I am Jehovah,’ declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, ‘when I am sanctified among you before their eyes.

Eze 39:7I will make my holy name known among my people Israel, and I will not allow my holy name to be profaned any longer; and the nations will have to know that I am Jehovah, the Holy One in Israel.’
you and your for fathers have been trying desperately to erase Jehovah's name, erase who Jehovah is so it can conform to your pagan originated doctrines, but in the long run, I it will not work!
jesus came to declare that name, but you lie that jesus did not declare it .

solite3:
it is you who lacks basic comprehension here

Brocab said if the bible says we are part of the Godhead then he believes it. He never said we are actually part of the Godhead

you omitted the underlined part in your explanation!

" I understand you won't be a partaker of the Godhead, only because you don't believe what Christ had said: but for us Christians we believe in everything Christ had told us-and if the scriptures say we are part of His Godhead-then it's true"

remember, the issue is on divine nature and Godhead, so pls as brocabs advocate, what is the Godhead? , after you answer, I'll show you what brocab said about godhead !

[quote author=solite3 post=46521155][/quote]ill prefer to shut up to a question where both options are wrong, wunt be forced to select when both options are wrong.
For example, God called humans Gods , are we going to say they are true Gods cus god called then God's , or are we going to say the one which God has called gods are false cus they are human. when we use our sences, we learn better.!

solite3:
very good,now your problem has been detected. You read something and you failed woefully to comprehend it.

now let's he how you understood it.

Gensis 1:1 in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth
Why does the bible uses the word "beginning" in gensis 1:1?
Ans; because the heavens and the earth are the first thing God created. If not the use of the word "beginning" in gen1:1 will be wrong. The bible never uses that word again in respect to creation.

YOU CAN LIE SHA!
1. seperatING a word from a sentence and use that word to explain your doctrine shows how false your doctrine is !
the verse said " in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth".
The first part of the sentence is tied to the second part , so we can say god created the heaven and the earth in the beginning.
with this, it means the heavens and earth had a beginning,no be so?( pls note if he will respond to this statement that " the heavens and earth had a beginning" .
note again that in the instance that something had a beginning ,it also means that thing was created!

2. you lie that the heavens and the earth where the first thing God created, the angels existed before the heavens and earth where created, for they where rejoicing during those creative says.
3. how will it be wrong if angels existed before the bigginING oF the creation of the heavens and earth.

4. if the angels existed before the creation of heaven and earth," in the beginning" of gen 1:1 will therefore be reffering to the beginning of the creation of heaven and earth, not the begginING of the creation of God!

5 you say the bible never used that word(which I believe you mean " beginning" again in respect to creation, pls read rev , 3:14, matt 19:4 and 2 pet 3:4.

John1:1 In the beginning ( when God's very first works were created) was the word ( the word was present) and the word was with God and the word was God.

again you try to diviDe a simple sentence, the verse says " in the begginING was the word" .
This implies the fact that the word had a begginING, the verse never related in the begginING with when god started creation.
you are also trying to twist " was the word" which relates more to existence, to mean presence, even if we take it to mean presence, it will mean that Jesus was not present before the beginning! , which like the scriptures rightly teach, Jesus had a beginning!, " in the beginning was the word", just like the heavens and earth also had a beginning.

It therefore mean the word is not part of creation

Revelation 3:14 clearly states that he is the beginning or source of God's creation just as the father is the source of the creation.

Jesus again is uncreated and no other than Jehovah himself.

can you see how you are trying to dribble yourself, adding to what that verse said while refusing to quote it. You add source to your definition of beginning now but but could not add it when you where explaining gen 1:1, and Joh 1:1.
using the same standard for " begginING will expose you, so you decided to use different standards .

King James Bible
And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

sir begginING does not mean source, stop altering the scriptures, the verse correctly says that Jesus is the begginING of the creation of God,
simply means jesus is the beginning of gods creative works
jesus is Gods first creation
when god started creating, Jesus was the first.

[b]Pr 8:22Jehovah produced me as the beginning of his way, The earliest of his achievements of long ago.

Col 1:15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;

the Father is never attributed to be firstborn of all creation.
All over the scriptures, the term firstborn is associated with whatever it is firstborn of. ThE firstborn of a goat must be a goat
the firstborn of man must be a man
the firstborn of isreal must be an isrealites
the firstborn of the death must have Been dead
the firstborn of creation must have been created, but you decided to change that rule for it to conform with your false teachings.

Ro 8:28We know that God makes all his works cooperate together for the good of those who love God, those who are the ones called according to his purpose;
Ro 8:29because those whom he gave his first recognition he also foreordainedto be patterned after the image of his Son, so that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.
can you see the difference between God that the apostle mentioned and jesus? iF you cannot see it add this verse to it so it becomes clearer

[b]Ro 8:34Who will condemn them? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that the one who was raised up, who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us.
1s jesus the same person with the one he is sitting at the right hand of?( I know you will not answer this question )
the answer is no , do you know the person who asked Jesus to sit at his right side? that person is God, Jehovah!
This busts your false teaching that Jesus is Jehovah.

As for the removal of the name Jehovah
KJV didn't remove it but only replace it with LORD to prevent repetition but still left it in some places.

this is the lamest excuse I've ever heard , CANT YOU SEE HOW UNREASONABLE YOUR ANSWER IS .

Imagine, kjv did not remove but replace.
Simple Definition of replace . : to be used instead of (something) : to do the job or duty of (someone) : to put someone or something new in the place or position of (someone or something)

GOD HAS PUT HIS NAME IN MANY PLACES IN THE SCRIPTURES, THE WRITERS OF THOSE SCRIPTURES, THOUGH USING THEIR HANDS AND DOING IT ONE BY ONE, PUT GOD'S NAME THERE.
But the kjv felt it 1 will be too repetitive to leave gods name in all places where the scriptures had put gods name, therefore they prefer to repeat LORD instead of what the ordained writers of the scriptures wrote.

THIS IS A PREFECT EXAMPLE OF ALTERING WHAT THE SCRIPTURES SAID CUS OF SELFISH NEEDS.
They wanted to avoid repeating gods name by not avoidING repeating LORD. imagine, Avoid repeating the original by repeating the one they replaced the original with!, is that not a lame excuse by you!

the most painful part is that it costs nothing in leaving gods name in all places it occured, cus the kjv was printed, not hand written in all the copies available. If the manuscripts could be copied , leaving gods name there in wateva language it is copied in, who is the kjv author who now felt repeating it would have been repetitive.?

Even Jesus did not teach his disciples to pray calling the name of Jehovah. why was it so can you answer
I believe if there is anybody for you to accuse should be Jesus himself for not teaching his disciples to pray using Jehovah's personal name and also to teach but instead teach them to call him father.
The translators of KJV are simply following Jesus example

your lie know no bounds, the whole of isreal know jehovahs name, it's in their scrolls, they know the God jesus was reffering to , they know his name as Jehovah.

how on earth do you think now that Jesus would not have mentioned this name when he was quoting from the scrolls that this name was written!

how on earth would you expect jesus to say this is he had not told them the name of God?

Joh 17:26 I have made your name known to them and will make it known, so that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them.”
are you trying to call jesus a liar that he did not make gods name known?
If no, pls tell us what Is the name jesus made known?
your refusal to answer will show your hypocrisy and your alliance with those who had desperately tried to remove gods name from the scriptures, cus if it's left left there, it proves their doctrines to be false!

Mt 6:9“You must pray, then, this way: “‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified.

Jesus did not say, let our name be satisfied, now tell us, what is the name of the Father in heaven?

Joh 17:6“I have made your name manifest to the men whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours, and you gave them to me, and they have observed your word.
solite3, if you are a truth full person, pls explain the verse above!

Ultimately you should also accuse the father for raising the name of Jesus so high that at the mention of that name every knee should bow and every tongue should confess that Jesus is the Lord.

stop looking for excuse sir, read that verse again and stop reading parts of it while leaving the rest.

I've also noticed that anytime you dnt quote a scripture you want to talk about, you tend to try to hide something, did the verse say " the father exalted jesus" , no! it said " God exalted jesus!"

did it say god exalted himself,? no!
did it say Jesus exalted himself ? no !
Did that verse imply that that the one who was exalted is same as one doing the exalting? no!
therefore , "God ", reffered to In those verses is not Jesus.!

Isa 52:13[u]Look! My servant[/u] will act with insight. He will be raised up high, He will be elevated and greatly exalted.

Ac 2:32, 33[u]God resurrected this Jesus,[/u] and of this we are all witnesses.33Therefore, because he was exalted to the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out what you see and hear.

Why giving a mere servant such honor that you didn't give to your own personal name?
Mr Accuser you doing the work of your father efficiently even the devil has respect for God but youu ? You have none. You question everything about God but follow devil blindly.

mere servant? , where did you get that phrase from?

I have glorified my name, and will glorify it .
Jesus being exalted is to the glory of who? God!, the father!

1Ti 2:5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

King James Version
1Co 8:5For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
1Co 8:6[u]But to us there is but one God, the Father,[/u] of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

the scriptures has directly told us who our one God is, but you refuse it, trying desperately to include jesus inside that one God!

brocab:
You don't believe in the Trinity, nor do you believe in the Godhead:

yes I do not, like you said , they are indirect knowledge based on false and wrong ana logy of the scriptures, they are man made doctrines that cannot stand scrutiny, hence you refusal to answer questions and quote and explain scriptures. The concept of trinity was taking from pagan worship and not the scriptures.
The most dangerous part of this teachings is its many different concept.

as for the Godhead, even the NKJV is adjusting small small!

Nor do you accept we are all part of the body of Christ, which makes us Sons to the most high God.

CONTINUE YOUR LIES!

{John 17:20-22} I do not pray for these alone, but also those who will believe in Me through their word, that they maybe one, as you, Father, one in Me, and I in You; that they also maybe One in Us, that the world may believe that you sent Me. And the glory which you gave Me, I have given them, that they are one just as we are One.
{1 John 2:1-3} Behold what matter of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called Children of God. Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know him. Beloved now we are children of God; and it has not been revealed that we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. And if everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, Just as He is pure.
{Galatians 3:24-27} Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith, but after faith has come we are no longer under the tutor. For we are all Sons of God, through faith of Jesus Christ, for as many of you were baptised into Christ have put on Christ.
{1 Corinthians 12:27} Now you are the body of Christ.
{Romans 8:14} "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God , these are Sons of God, For you did not receive the Spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the spirit of adoption by whom we cry "Abba Father".

could you explain those scriptures? no , I've quoted them and explained them to you before.
The underlined parts of John 17 helps explain what jesus meant by " I and the Father are one, does it not?, does it not show you that Jesus is not saying " I and the Father are one God? . does it not show you that Jesus is talking about unity of purpose ?
I do know you will not respond!

This of course is enough evidence we Christians need-

need for what?

but this doesn't answer for you dolphinheart, your organisation are not classed as God's sons and dauthers, until you hand your lives over to Christ fully, you will never become a true believers in Him, and you will never understand the scriptures fully, to even know where you all stand with Christ. And if you had the Spirit of God, you would know who you are in Christ, you would know you are a child of Christ-and you would know His Spirit lives in you.

if you have read the scriptures well well, and not just quoting it to find fault, but quoting it to fully understand it, you would have understood when being gods children will occur.!
you would have also understood why they will be brothers to jesus but sons to God, why they will be heirs with jesus and Co rulers with him.
But since you read the scriptures with the sole aim of finding fault , you will not understand what it's telling you. Which affects your inability to explain certain scriptures, or respond to certain posts from me where explanation are being given!

Which makes you a lair and a cheat. By their fruit we will know them.

you first lay false accusation, then use these false accusation to call me a liar and a cheat, brocab, that method will not work! on previous cases where you had made such allegations, I called you out to prove it, you could not, so you decided to adopt this new method .

your character is already known, but it still does not prevent me from asking you the question you refuse to answer:

[b]Now let's put brocabs sincerity to the test, pls note if he will respond.
he had earlier said this:

In each of the 3 verses a slightly different Greek word is used, but the definition of each is the same deity or "divine" nature, the Word Godhead is used to refer to God's essential nature.

now the kjv says this in 2 peter 1:3,4
King James Bible
According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust

PLS BROCAB, IN YOUR REPLY TO THIS POST, PLS TELL, WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE PARTAKERS OF THE DIVINE NATURE.
note: some translations us "sharers" , "participate".
expo: 1 Co 15:50-54; Php 3:10, 11; 1Pe 5:1; 2Pe 1:2-4; Re 20:6.

johnw74:
Jesus is Jehovah:


Jehovah
Psa 102:25 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.

Jesus
Heb 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:


....


Jehovah
Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Jesus
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.


....


Jehovah
Deu 10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:

Jesus
Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Incidentally, see at Deut 17:14 God is referred to as a mighty God, and we know that God is also referred to as Almighty God, they are not two gods, a mighty god and an almighty God as false jw say.


....


Jehovah
Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Jesus
Joh 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.


....



Jehovah
Psa 130:7 Let Israel hope in the LORD: for with the LORD there is mercy, and with him is plenteous redemption.
Psa 130:8 And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.

Jesus
Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.


....


Jehovah
Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Jesus
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.


....


Jehovah
Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Jesus
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

hope you where not sleeping when I quoted and explained those scriptures on this thread, you could not respond then, you are bringing it up again, typical!

well I do not discuss with those whose believe comes from the search for similarities who refuse to respond to direct statements from God, Jesus and the apostles!
IF I quote the scriptures for you, you will NOT SEE IT!

solite3:
you don't have right to say that since you cannot say if Jesus is a true God or a false god

if you had asked me who Jesus is now, I would have gladly told you, but asking me who Jesus is with only two wrong options is wrong. The two options are not right !

solite3:
did the scriptures say we are part of the godhead

your statement shows you do not know what brocab is talking about, for if you know, you would have explained his statements.

solite3:
John1:1 In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God

does jehovah have a beginning ? how can the person that was with another person now be the same person he was with?

well, there is no need to wait and see if you will answer, the scriptures has told us who jehovah is, the problem you had was because the kjv removed jehovahs name in many many places it was mentioned in the scriptures, if not, you would have know Jesus is not jehovah God!

solite3:
read what brocab posts more slowly and attentive he never said humans are part of the Godhead

can you now explain to us what he said ?

" I understand you won't be a partaker of the Godhead, only because you don't believe what Christ had said: but for us Christians we believe in everything Christ had told us-and if the scriptures say we are part of His Godhead-then it's true.

solite3:
Jesus and his father are one is that a false doctrine. Jesus is Jehovah God

Jesus said, he and the father are one. Jesus is Jehovah God is false, man made doctrine with no surpport from the scriptures !

solite3:
False witnesses says humans are part of the Godhead another obvious lie from satan

actually it was brocab that said it , 10:39 PM, June 11.
" I understand you won't be a partaker of the Godhead, only because you don't believe what Christ had said: but for us Christians we believe in everything Christ had told us-and if the scriptures say we are part of His Godhead-then it's true.
{John 17:21} That all of them may be one, Father just as you are in Me, and I Am in You, May they also be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent Me.
Haven't any of you 'learned anything from this one verse?

solite3:
Jesus Christ is Jehovah God.

False doctrine!