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rev 1:1
The revelation of Jesus Christ,WHICH GOD GAVE HIM to show to his servants a the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant b John,

WHAT DOES THESE VERSE TELL US(pls brocab and solite3, you can disprove the following facts if you want to , but pls notice they are numbered, therefore if you want to challenge any of them, just signify first the number you have issues with, if this is not done, them it's shows that you aim is just to disrupt the facts given and not to counter, correct or disprove it)

it tells us that:
1. The revelation comes from God and was given to Jesus
2. "God " in these verse and "Jesus" in these verse are not the same person
3. God here is different from Jesus
4. It was God that wants jesus to show his servants the things that must shortly take place
5. Jesus now made the revelation from God known through his angel to his servant John
6. thereforE the revelation involved 4 persons , God, Jesus , the angel and John.

do we have other scriptures to surpport rev 1:1 and the explanation giving about it?
daniel w:28 English Standard Version
but there is a God in heaven who reveals mysteries, and he has made known to King Nebuchadnezzar what will be in the latter days. Your dream and the visions of your head as you lay in bed are these:

NOW WHO IS THAT GOD ?
King James Version
Am 3:7Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets

Now we all know that the kjv removed the name of God from that verse , so in other to know the name if the God that reveals his secrets to his servants , I'll have to quote from anether transLation that did not remove gods name from that verse

American Standard Version
Surely the Lord Jehovah will do nothing, except he reveal his secret unto his servants the prophets.

New World Translation
For the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will not do a thing Unless he has revealed his confidential matter to his servants the prophets.

NOW THESE QUESTIONS GOES TO YOU BROCAB AND SOLITE3
1. do you agree with all or some of the numbered points on rev 1:1?
2. do you agree that the name of the God who reveal secrets is Jehovah ?
3. do you agree that the God in rev 1:1, who gave the Revelation to jesus is Jehovah?

READERS SHOULD NOTE , IF THEY RESPOND TO THESE SCRIPTURES AND TO THE QUESTIONS ASKED WHEN THEY QUOTE THESE POST.
READERS SHOULD ALSO NOTE IFATHER THEY ATTEMPT TO CUT OF PART OF THESE POST WHEN THEY RESPOND.
cc: Barristter07 , jozzy4, and others

now ill move to rev 1:4

NOW LETS LOOK AT REV 1:7,8

brocab and solite3, I told you that to understand rev 1:7,8 better, one must first quote and understand what rev 1: 1,4-6 says, thus I requested for the past 20 pages that you quote and explain those verses, I also added heb 1:9 And rev 3:2,12 to it.
sincerely, I thought I would eventually be given an explanation in just I straight post, no one comes to an exam hall, answer part of the questions and expect to be allowed to come part the next day to answer other parts I thought. but that is exactly what brocab and solite3 tried to do.

WHenever the question was repeated to them, they will only answer snippets of it. They sometimes quote the verses and refuse to explain them or tried to give an explanation without quoting those verses. They scattered their answers into many posts so that it will seem that they had answered all , which they tried to claim anyway.

now I will give a detailed explanation of these verses , surpport it with other verses of the scriptures . After these ill ask brocab and solite3 a series of questions which readers will observe and notice to see if they will answer it or not.
I'll not respond to quotes until I finish my explanations
my next post will start with rev 1:1

[quote author=solite3 post=45819168][/quote]1. If you read the posts I pasted concerning jesus having same nature as God , you will see the explanations there, you where so busy making false allegations that I said Jesus and God have one nature that you did not see it, I've shown you again, and you are now actin as if it's not there!

brocab:
If you really believe that calling someone a lair is your way of being polite,

where and when did the issue of being polite come into these now, you just like to bring up things as if they where previously part of the discussion.
I never said callin someone a liar is my way of being polite, brocab dnt attribute things I never said nor believed to me!

then you really need to sit down and read the scriptures, and listen to what Jesus has to say about insulting people like you.
{Matthew 5:11} Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute and falsely say or kinds of evil against you. "because of Me.

well, for a fact, my words where facts supported by proof. If someone lies, that person is called a liar!

johnw74:
yes, you are right I quote false jw and show them where they are wrong and lying
and yes, I don't discuss with them, you've got it
boy, false jw so queer

good to note that anytime they ask you questions relating to the scriptures, you remember you dnt discuss with them.

brocab:
Are you dubious? Or just pain stupid.
Answer Solite3 question, I did ask you to answer {Revelation 1:7-8} two months ago, and I am still waiting? So no-to your lies-you haven't answered the scripture I had asked you to answer.

me and solite3 will get to his question part shortly . but for you, I'll repeat what I told him earlier: only dubious people answer question with a question, hope you are not dubious brocab?

If you want that question answered, you can help him answer the question he was asked before he replied with a question, then ask these and ill answer you.

brocab, you asked me to show you certain scriptures, I've done so, but no response from you yet !

This was your request:

brocab:
YOU ALSO BELIEVE IN YOUR OWN LIES.
Show me in the word where it say's Jesus is a god? Plus show me where Jesus being a god has a god superior to him?
And I can show you, your NWT bible claims Jehovah God is Jesus in {Revelation 1:8} Calling Him the Almighty.
This will be interesting?

this was my response:

dolphinheart:
JESUS IS A GOD
Isa 9:6For a child has been born to us, A son has been given to us; And the rulership will rest on his shoulder. His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
Isa 9:7To the increase of his rulership And to peace, there will be no end, On the throne of David and on his kingdom In order to establish it firmly and to sustain it Through justice and righteousness, From now on and forever. The zeal of Jehovah of armies will do this.

Joh 1:18No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him.

JESUS BEING A GOD, STILL HAS A GOD
Heb 1:9You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, YOUR GOD, anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”

Lu 3:21, 22Now when all the people were baptized, Jesus too was baptized. As he was praying, the heaven was opened up,
22and the holy spirit in bodily form like a dove came down upon him, and a voice came out of heaven: “You are my Son, the beloved; I HAVE APROVED YOU”

Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father AND TO MY GOD AND YOUR GOD.

1Co 11:3But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, THE HEAD OF CHRIST IS GOD.

Eph 1:17that THE GOD OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him.

Col 1:3We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,

Re 3:12“‘The one who conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name.

JESUS IS SUBJECTED AND LOYAL TO THAT GOD
Joh 14:28You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, FOR THE FATHER IS GREATER THAN I AM.

Joh 17:3This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.

Mr 15:34And at the ninth hour, Jesus called out with a loud voice: “Eʹli, Eʹli, laʹma sa·bach·thaʹni?” which means, when translated: “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”

Re 1:1A revelation by Jesus Christ, WHICH GOD GAVE HIM, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John,

Mt 20:23He said to them: “You will indeed drink my cup, but to sit down at my right hand and at my left IS NOT MINE TO GIVE, but it belongs to those for whom it has been prepared by my Father.”

Joh 8:42Jesus said to them: “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I HAVE NOT COME OF MY OWN INITIATIVE, BUT THAT ONE SENT ME.

1Co 15:24-28Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to HIS GOD AND FATHER, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power.
25For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet.
26And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing.
27FOR GOD "SUBJECTED ALL THINGS UNDER HIS FEET.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him.
28But when all things will have been subjected to him, THEN THE SON HIMSELF WILL SUBJECT HIMSELF TO THE ONE WHO SUBJECTED ALL THINGS TO HIM, that God may be all things to everyone.

1Pe 3:22He is at God’s right hand, for he went to heaven, and angels and authorities and powers WERE MADE SUBJECT TO HIM.

HOPING YOU WORLD BE ABLE TO QUOTE AND EXPLAIN SOME, IF NOT ALL OF THE SCRIPTURES ABOVE




no problem, just add your quote and explanation of rev 1: 1,4-6, and heb 1: 9
also tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.
If you do not add the above, your explanation will be termed as false !
a true Christian should not be afraid of sharing his knowledge of the scripture when he is being asked.

UP TILL NOW NO RESPONSE ABOUT THOSE SCRIPTURES FROM YOU, YOU HAVE REFUSED TO QUOTE AND EXPLAIN THEM.

you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture:

[b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work. 

Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!. 
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

Examine this questions brocab 1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth? 
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit? 
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am" 
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit. 
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

You cannot answer if Jesus is the same person as the father.

You can't do this :
Simply quote and explain rev 1:1,4 -6 from any translation of your choice
Tell use who is talking in rev 3:2,12.....

brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :

1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9 
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3 
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9,11 
12. john 14:6 
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7 
16. ps 28:18

And a host of others

Brocab , examine these scripture 
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.

Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty![/b]

johnw74:
I know you dumb
but again, I don't discuss truth with satans church

I have showed your plenty of lies though

but you can quote them, and anytime they ask you a question about the scriptures, you remember you dnt discuss with them! phony

UP TILL NOW, YOU BROCAB, HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO SHOW OR POINT TO WHERE I SAID THE WORDS YOU ARE ACUSSING ME OF SAYING.
christians are not supposed to lay false accusations.

brocab:
If Christians are not suppose to make false allegations, then why do you call yourself a Christian in the first place.

Haba! are you saying christians can make false accusations, thus I'm not supposed to call myself a Christian?

JW's are proven to be the greatest lairs when any religion is involved.
Hypocrites for you shut up the Kingdom of heaven against men, for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.

and yet I've been able to show you from the bible how true their beliefs where until you started lying about them.

I had asked you to prove, where I had lied against {Revelation 1:7-8} Please show the world who's lying, dolphinheart or the word of God.

Ill do so , after you have quoted and explained rev 1:1,4-6, heb 1:9
And tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12

johnw74:
Yes it shows I don't have anything to do with satans church
except expose their lies

but right now, we are not talking about any church, the request is for you to share your understanding about certain scriptures. from the transLation that you use.

brocab:
Just answer Solite3 question, dolpinheart do you agree the Father called Jesus God?

like I said to him, I'll reply you the same way, only dubious people answer question with a question, hope you are not dubious brocab?
If you want that question answered, you can help him answer the question he was asked before he replied with a question, then ask these and ill answer you.

brocab, you asked me to show you certain scriptures, I've done so, but no response from you yet !

solite3:
these were your words dolphinsheart , u initially asked me to share my view on these verses u never told me to quote and explain.

now let's look at my question again:
" maybe you that knows the implication can explain what you understand by what's recorded in revelation 1:1, 4-6
and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.
finally can you tell us what you think about heb 1:9
if you can't explain these verses, then its you that needs forgiveness."

Now let's look at your deliberately seperated answers:

since u ve brought revelation1:4-6 let's c what it says
vs4 JOHN to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which was, and which is to come[b]( referring to The father);[ /b]and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne[ b]( referring to the Holy Spirit) [/b]
vs5 And from Jesus Christ,who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the faithful witness,and the first begotten of the of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
vs6 And hath made is kings and and priest unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever.Amen.
hope I av addressed it. I will c if u will not refer back to rev1:8( which is the main issue n which had been addressed)

did you see what you did wrong there ?, you failed to share your understand of verse 1, 5, and 6 of revelation chapter 1.
you deliberately omitted verse one and just quoted verse and 6 without telling us what you understand by what is written there.
therefore solite3, pls correct those deliberate omissions, you have not answered it.

b]the issue of who was talking in Revelation 1,2&3 it is Jesus[/b]

I did not ask you about revelation 1,2&3. I asked you to tell us who is talking in rev 3: 2,12
in your next post correct this too.

as for heb1:9 brocab addressed it before I don' t like going back to things.
Hebrews1:9 Thou has loved righteousness, and hated iniquity;therefore God,even thy God,hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
This is in reference to Christ earthly ministry when Christ was anointed with the holy spirit(oil of gladness) without measure everyman that has ever receive the holy spirit was with measure but Christ own was without measure.Just as every man has a God so also Christ as a man has a God. This tells you Christ is a perfect man

I will hold on to these your explanation of heb 1:9, will come back to it once you have added the omitted verses and made neccessary corrections in your next post.
you can see once again the verses you did not attend to , so dnt claim that you have answered all the questions.

The questions are still pending

1. Jesus has a God? yes or no
Jesus is subjected to that God ? yes or no
if Jesus have a God, how can He then be almighty God !

2. on April 27 this request
"for those saying Jesus is God.. pls. explain these Scripture for me ... Ephesians 5:1,2 1timothy 2:5 John 8:42 Act 2:22 Hebrews 12:2...... "

3. on April 29
" the God of our Lord Jesus Christ " Eph 1:17, who is the God of Jesus Christ ?

4. "You say Jesus is still a man in heaven, you also say Jesus has a God when he was a man.

NOW DOES Jesus STILL HAVE A GOD IN HEAVEN?"
who anointed Jesus? who is that person to Jesus?

you can see that the questions are numbered, so dnt muddle it up or answer partly.

solite3:
all I c are scriptures that do not relate to my question .

that's what you programmed your eyes to see. read it again, slowly this time, examine the places I mentioned nature!

All I want is for you to show me were u explained "Jesus has same nature as God" failure to do so will mean u re are a liar.
Mean while I answered ur questions but I told u I can't quote the whole verse. Let me post them again

I've done that extensively, I can't be blamed for your failure to see it .

meanwhile, your questions are still pending

1. On April 27, I asked you to do this:
" maybe you that knows the implication can explain what you understand by what's recorded in revelation 1:1, 4-6
and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.
finally can you tell us what you think about heb 1:9 "

2. on April 27 this request
"for those saying Jesus is God.. pls. explain these Scripture for me ... Ephesians 5:1,2 1timothy 2:5 John 8:42 Act 2:22 Hebrews 12:2...... "

3. on April 29
" the God of our Lord Jesus Christ " Eph 1:17, who is the God of Jesus Christ ?

4. "You say Jesus is still a man in heaven, you also say Jesus has a God when he was a man.
NOW DOES Jesus STILL HAVE A GOD IN HEAVEN?"
who anointed Jesus? who is that person to Jesus?
you can see that the questions are numbered, so dnt muddle it up or answer partly

solite3:
how does all these explain what u meant by this statement"Jesus has same nature as God" show me where u explained it.

read the post again sir!, expecially where I quoted philipians 2: 6.

Your questions are still pending
Jesus has a God? yes or no
Jesus is subjected to that God ? yes or no
if Jesus have a God, how can He then be almighty God !

1. On April 27, I asked you to do this:
" maybe you that knows the implication can explain what you understand by what's recorded in revelation 1:1, 4-6
and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.
finally can you tell us what you think about heb 1:9 "

2. on April 27 this request
"for those saying Jesus is God.. pls. explain these Scripture for me ... Ephesians 5:1,2 1timothy 2:5 John 8:42 Act 2:22 Hebrews 12:2...... "

3. on April 29
" the God of our Lord Jesus Christ " Eph 1:17, who is the God of Jesus Christ ?

4. "You say Jesus is still a man in heaven, you also say Jesus has a God when he was a man.

NOW DOES Jesus STILL HAVE A GOD IN HEAVEN?"
who anointed Jesus? who is that person to Jesus?
you can see that the questions are numbered, so dnt muddle it up or answer partly

Barristter07:
dolphinheart



brother, this shows the level at which people can go to lie . he said "you can search the translations for IT. "

yet he denied again that he never said its in the bible .


infact , imagine someone quoting a movie in a bible discussion , and never confessed this until he is seriously hammered. ... if not that he was caught , he would have continue with his lie of go and search translations for it, as if its there.

I do understand sir, I've been following his denial on these thread ever since you asked him that question

Barristter07:
Jozzy4



hello sir ,

would u belive that this same guy johnw74 alias ",lie lie john " actually told me to go and search for those words in [[bible]] translations.


now he changed and said its not in the bible, but its movie ... but yet can tell me to go and search the translations for it ?


to sustain a lie, more lies have to be told.. thats his case.

oh my!

solite3 look at my explanations on phiL 2:6-8, my statements and explanation of my statements.
I'm doing this to show you that unlike you, I'm ready to answer to requests.

may 9,2011

dolphinheart:
your analysis is wrong! Paul was talking about having the same mental attitude with christ , to have humility , to have unity and love in mind, to consider others superior to you.
For Jesus said :
King James Version
Mt 11:29Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

phil 2:6 English Standard Version
who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,

the above verse is telling us that Jesus, despite being in the same nature or form with God , did not count it that he can be equal to God , a sharp contrast from Satan. He did not see his nature as giving him the right/ authority or chance to grasp equality with God.
col 1:15English Standard Version
He is THE IMAGE of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

heb 1: 3 International Standard Version
He is the reflection of God's glory and the exact likeness of his being, and he holds everything together by his powerful word. After he had provided a cleansing from sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Highest Majesty
* jesus is not the highest majesty!


phil 2:7 English Standard Version
but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.

Jesus was so humble that he agreed to take the form of a servant, so as to carry out the instructions of the highest majesty. so that God's purpose might be fulfilled.

King James Version
Joh 1:14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth

King James Version
Joh 3:16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

King James Version
1Jo 4:9In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

phil 2: 8 English Standard Version
And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross

Jesus, after humbly taking on human form, he continued being humble even to the point of death.
King James Version
Joh 10:17Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

King James Version
Heb 2:9But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

1Ti 2:5, 6For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,6who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all—this is what is to be witnessed to in its own due time.


phil 2: 9English Standard Version
Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name,

Again , you can see that Jesus is not the God in these verse. because of the humility, loyalty and love(even till death) that Jesus showed , God exalted him and gave him a name above every other name!

Isa 52:13Look! My servant will act with insight. He will be raised up high, He will be elevated and greatly exalted.

Ac 2:32, 33God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses.
33Therefore, because he was exalted to the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out what you see and hear.

Eph 1:20, 21which he exercised toward Christ when he raised him up from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places,
21far above every government and authority and power and lordship and every name that is named, not only in this system of things but also in that to come.

1. Jesus was not/ never equal to God before, presently or in the future!
2. Jesus never at any time ever had the reputation as the most high!
3. Jesus was not said to take the form of an angel, he took the form of a human, that form is what the writer was referring to as a servants form!


read : www.bibleanswerstand.org/philippians.htm

ANGEL.
Strong's Concordance
malak: a messenger
Original Word: מַלְאָך
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: malak
Phonetic Spelling: (mal-awk')
Short Definition: angel

NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from an unused word
Definition
a messenger
NASB Translation
ambassadors (2), angel (101), angels (9), envoys (1), messenger (24), messengers (76).

biblehub.com/hebrew/4397.htm

aggelos: an angel, messenger
Original Word: ἄγγελος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: aggelos
Phonetic Spelling: (ang'-el-os)
Short Definition: an angel, messenger
Definition: a messenger, generally a (supernatural) messenger from God, an angel, conveying news or behests from God to men.
biblehub.com/greek/32.htm

now the question, was Jesus sent by God to give us a message?
was jesus a supernatural being?

you did not answer my question, do you agree with the scriptures I quoted earlier?

when you respond, pls dnt muddle it up and endeavor to answer the questions there!

may 9

dolphinheart:
I NEVER SAID THAT!
jesus was in the form of God , same nature as God . These same divine nature is what the disciples prayed to be in.
King James Version
2Pe 1:4Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

King James Version
1Jo 3:2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
Jesus, being a son of God, had that same divine nature or form. The scripture says he is the image of God!

nature does not determine servitude. There are humans who do not serve God, likewise spirit creatures.

yes jehovah is not a man and never became a man, but jesus became a man!

john 1:14 New International Version
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us...........
New Living Translation
So the Word became human and made his home among us.......
English Standard Version
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us,........

phil 2:7 New International Version
...... being made in human likeness.
New Living Translation
........was born as a human being. When he appeared in human form
English Standard Version
being born in the likeness of men.

that is why jesus refered to himself as the son of man, because he was a human!
King James Version
Isa 53:3He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.


imagine, you are still claiming that Jesus is the same person as the one who anointed him. did Jesus anoint himself?
he sat at the right hand of the most high, Jesus is not the most high!

again, you refuse to answer my question!

may 11

dolphinheart:
continous lie against me will not make your lies turn to truth. I've asked you to show where I said you should where I said Jesus had one nature with God , you could not!
I've accused you of making false accusations without proof ,now I'm using this post to reaffirm my believe that you solite3 is very good at making false accusation without proof.
you use those false accusation as an excuse not to respond to certain questions and issues
For example, you claim jesus is still a man in heaven, and you said Jesus had a god cus he was a man. now you are being asked if jesus still has a God since he is a man in heaven?

*readers should note if he will answer the question above

you claimed jesus broke his body but only sacrificed his blood, I should you scriptures that explained that Jesus gave both his body and blood, you could only cancel it,refusing to respond to it.

may 11

dolphinheart:
solite3 , stop lying against me!
If you can't provide proof of what I said, stop lying!
an example: I have the same nature as my father
I have the same human nature as my father

I have the form of a human
my father has the form of a human
we both have the same human form

my father has his own human form
I have my own human form

[quote author=solite3 post=45799078][/quote]1. you have replied those quotes, these shows you have seen them and responded to them, but in a bid not to allow me reply your response, you deliberately muddled up your response , mixing my words with yours. I've requested several times that you modify that post and Correct it, but you REFUSED to do so!
pls pls pls solite3, go back to your response of that post of mine and correct the muddled up parts so I can respond to it!

2. If you say "insults are facts" in these issue, then I apologise for insulting you with facts. Though it does not change the fact that those facts are true, therefore I apologise for insulting you with the truth.

3. I'm not confused ,YOU DID LIE AGAINST ME THAT I SAID " JESUS AND THE FATHER BOTH HAVE ONE NATURE!

4. you asking which false doctrine? The false doctrine that Jesus is Jehovah, and the false doctrine postulated about rev 1:7,8.
quote and explain rev 1: 1,4-6 and heb 1:9. tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12 and we will see if those false doctrines are exposed or not.

your questions are still pending

Jesus has a God? yes or no
Jesus is subjected to that God ? yes or no
if Jesus have a God, how can He then be almighty God !

1. On April 27, I asked you to do this:
" maybe you that knows the implication can explain what you understand by what's recorded in revelation 1:1, 4-6
and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.
finally can you tell us what you think about heb 1:9 "

2. on April 27 this request
"for those saying Jesus is God.. pls. explain these Scripture for me ... Ephesians 5:1,2 1timothy 2:5 John 8:42 Act 2:22 Hebrews 12:2...... "

3. on April 29
" the God of our Lord Jesus Christ " Eph 1:17, who is the God of Jesus Christ ?

4. "You say Jesus is still a man in heaven, you also say Jesus has a God when he was a man.

NOW DOES Jesus STILL HAVE A GOD IN HEAVEN?"
who anointed Jesus? who is that person to Jesus?
you can see that the questions are numbered, so dnt muddle it up , or give part response

johnw74:
@bold, yes of course, I always do what I want to do, and with false jw, it's showing what liars they are
I do that very well

as for the rest, it's just more of pharacee jw loving to lie

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

everyone can always do what they want to do , you are not special when it comes to that.
But along with such privileges comes responsibility , the responsibility of doING things the right way.
one must always remember that when we do what we want, such actions determines who we are and what we are after, our personality and intentions.

If during a discussion or arguement about the scriptures, I ask you questions about the scriptures and seek your understanding of such scriptures but you refuse , despite replying and talking to me, IT SHOWS WHO YOU ARE!

johnw74:
I don't lower myself to answer questions from pharacee jw's
I've said it many times and you know it,
but pharacee jw loves to lie


I don't have to answer for brocab
but pharacee jw cannot help but lie all the time


it's really funny-pathetic false jw lecturing on lies



false jw agree with the Pharisees that Jesus wasn't God

the Pharisees denied the Trinity and the Deity of Christ, so do pharacee jw's

the Pharisees denied the physical resurrection of Christ and salvation by grace alone, so do pharacee jw's

false jw's are todays pharacees.

but you can raise yourself to quote me abi? phony!

when you are being asked questions about your doctrines , that when you remember your self glorified status!

[quote author=solite3 post=45793769][/quote]1. it's no wahala, unless you are reffering to someone else, the the moniker is dolphinheart.
maybe you dnt want me to reply to your post, hence you mention another moniker.

2. Amen too, but concerning the issue at hand, I've shown you why I made such statements , cus they are facts supported with proofs, a person who lies is called a liar!

3. The questions are still few, pls answer them!

Jesus has a God? yes or no
Jesus is subjected to that God ? yes or no
if Jesus have a God, how can He then be almighty God !

1. On April 27, I asked you to do this:
" maybe you that knows the implication can explain what you understand by what's recorded in revelation 1:1, 4-6
and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.
finally can you tell us what you think about heb 1:9 "

2. on April 27 this request
"for those saying Jesus is God.. pls. explain these Scripture for me ... Ephesians 5:1,2 1timothy 2:5 John 8:42 Act 2:22 Hebrews 12:2...... "

3. on April 29
" the God of our Lord Jesus Christ " Eph 1:17, who is the God of Jesus Christ ?

4. "You say Jesus is still a man in heaven, you also say Jesus has a God when he was a man.

NOW DOES Jesus STILL HAVE A GOD IN HEAVEN?"
who anointed Jesus? who is that person to Jesus?

you can see that the questions are numbered, so dnt muddle it up , or give part response
do well to increase your question to one million . Keep

Jozzy4:
@ dolphin heart and barister .

this your friends are funny o , they quote Rev 1:12 that John turn to see the voice speaking to him , when its clear he is reffering to the voice speaking in verse 10 and 11 telling him to write to the congregations .


lolzzzzzzzz.

just allow then to continue to state their false beliefs, dnt correct them until they, in their own words quote and explain rev 1:1,4-6 and heb 1:9, and also reV 3:2,12.

They had read those verses, but since explaining them will expose their false teachings, they wunt explain it.

johnw74:
@bold, you do err, it is your god satan that is chief of liars

his spirit can be seen in you right now

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

UP TILL THIS MOMENT, NEITHER YOU NOR BROCAB COULD SHOW OR POINT TO WHERE I SAID THE WORD HE IS ACUSSIN ME OF SAYING.
Christians are not supposed to make false allegations, it is not a good thing, "liar" is a word used for those who do what brocab had done, it is not good to lie against someone else.

I've asked you and brocab to quote and explain
1. reV 1:1,4-6,
2. heb 1:9
I be also asked you to tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12

THIS REQUEST YOU HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO FULLY CARRY OUT!

solite3:
first if u really had read n understand that passage ur questions would be needless

stop giving excuse on why you can't answer the questions.
go and un muddle your reply to where I explained philipians 2 : 6-8 so that I can reply you!

I av posted it not just me but also brocab.

sir, those are facts surpported with evidence and not insults , a person who lies is called a liar!

oga u didn't

oGa, I DID!

can u search them out n repost them

I've told you where they are located, go look at them, cus you yourself quoted them!

u said Jesus has same nature as God

yes that's what I said , so why did you lie against me that I said Jesus and his father both have one nature?

y were u now asking for my view before when u have made u ur mind not to believe them even the verses I gave u were also theories

because answering those questions will expose more of your false doctrines. you know that too, that's why you wunt quote and explain them

very very blind n meaningless

They are not blind arguments, they are not meaningless questions
the answers to those questions will go a long way to show if you are telling the truth or not

I av posted them

you quoted facts and not insults

do u agree that the father called Jesus God?

only dubious people answer question with a question, hope you are not dubious . If you are not, then pls answer the question, then you can ask yours!

your questions are still pending

Jesus has a God, yes or no,?
jesus is subjected to that God , yes or no
if jesus has a God, how can He then be almighty God ?

1. On April 27, I asked you to do this:
" maybe you that knows the implication can explain what you understand by what's recorded in revelation 1:1, 4-6
and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.
finally can you tell us what you think about heb 1:9 "

2. on April 27 jEphz
"for those saying Jesus is God.. pls. explain these Scripture for me ... Ephesians 5:1,2 1timothy 2:5 John 8:42 Act 2:22 Hebrews 12:2...... "

3. April 29
" the God of our Lord Jesus Christ " Eph 1:17, who is the God of Jesus Christ ?

4. "You say Jesus is still a man in heaven, you also say Jesus has a God when he was a man.
NOW DOES Jesus STILL HAVE A GOD IN HEAVEN?"
who anointed Jesus? who is that person to Jesus?
you can see that the questions are numbered, so dnt muddle it up , or give part response

solite3:
u select verses for me to interpret even when I give u answers u say I didn't answer it the way u want or they are theories but u ignore mine n pretend it does not exist.

I dnt think you where expecting me to give you the whole bible to read , or do you?
The questions are easy for one to understand, you understand it, but you refuse to follow the way it was asked, cus doing so will expose your false doctrines.
I dnt want you to answer part of the questions And leave part, only to come and claim you have answered it. I dnt want you to quote alone, I want you to quote and explain! something you already know that if you do , it will expose your false doctrines!

you have started laying another false accusations, pls pls, show where you asked a question and I pretended it does not exist!

note:
1. I dnt sub scribe to using a question to answer a question, only dubious people do that!
2. pls when you quote me, stop adding words to my quotes like you just did.I did not say all of the things in that quote, if you dnt know how to quote others, ASK!
3. pls modify those quotes so I can respond, if you refuse to do so, it shows its a method you have employed to stop being replied to!

questions still pending

Jesus has a God? yes or no
Jesus is subjected to that God ? yes or no
if Jesus have a God, how can He then be almighty God !

1. On April 27, I asked you to do this:
" maybe you that knows the implication can explain what you understand by what's recorded in revelation 1:1, 4-6
and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.
finally can you tell us what you think about heb 1:9 "

2. on April 27 this request
"for those saying Jesus is God.. pls. explain these Scripture for me ... Ephesians 5:1,2 1timothy 2:5 John 8:42 Act 2:22 Hebrews 12:2...... "

3. on April 29
" the God of our Lord Jesus Christ " Eph 1:17, who is the God of Jesus Christ ?

4. "You say Jesus is still a man in heaven, you also say Jesus has a God when he was a man.
NOW DOES Jesus STILL HAVE A GOD IN HEAVEN?"
who anointed Jesus? who is that person to Jesus?
you can see that the questions are numbered, so dnt muddle it up , or give part response

solite3:
Dolphineheart I av posted two of your insults one to me were u said I av bad trait n d oda to brocab calling him a liar. Do u now c that u insults people but take it as normal.

it's dolphinheart , not dolphineheart, unless you are referring to another moniker.

Sir, making allegations without proof is a bad trait, did you make false allegations without proof? yes you did!
therefore It is not an insult, I'm just describing what you did! and what you did was bad!
when someone lies deliberately , what do you call that person? A liar!. It is not an insult, it's just stating the facts.
even when I accuse you or him of making false allegations or lying, I first ask you to provide evidence or proof to surpport your claims, you do not provide it, thus the statement " false accuser" and "liar" sticks.

your questions are still pending

Jesus has a God? yes or no
Jesus is subjected to that God ? yes or no
if Jesus have a God, how can He then be almighty God !

1. On April 27, I asked you to do this:
" maybe you that knows the implication can explain what you understand by what's recorded in revelation 1:1, 4-6
and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.
finally can you tell us what you think about heb 1:9 "

2. on April 27 this request
"for those saying Jesus is God.. pls. explain these Scripture for me ... Ephesians 5:1,2 1timothy 2:5 John 8:42 Act 2:22 Hebrews 12:2...... "

3. on April 29
" the God of our Lord Jesus Christ " Eph 1:17, who is the God of Jesus Christ ?
4. "You say Jesus is still a man in heaven, you also say Jesus has a God when he was a man.

NOW DOES Jesus STILL HAVE A GOD IN HEAVEN?"
who anointed Jesus? who is that person to Jesus?
you can see that the questions are numbered, so dnt muddle it up , or give part response

[quote author=solite3 post=45768151][/quote]1. Yes I did read philipians 2: 6-8 and I understood it. I quoted it to you showing I read it, and I explained it to you, showing I understand. I went further to add scriptures that surpport my understanding of philipians chapter 2 .

2. your refusal to show where I insulted you before or during your allegations shows you raised a false unsubstantiated allegations against me. I've warned you repeatedly to stop making allegations you can't show proof of.

3. When did I explain my statement about Jesus having the same nature as God ?

first time: may 9 2016, 2:33pm, on these thread
col1:15 and heb 1:3

second time: may 9 2016, 4:24PM, on these thread

third time: may 11 2016, 12:46pm, on these thread

while you where lying against me that I said Jesus and his father both have one nature.

4. your word's are theories and a twisting of the direct words found in the scriptures, while you refuse to quote and explain scriptures that show you the truth.

They are not blind arguments, they are not meaningless questions
the answers to those questions will go a long way to show if you are telling the truth or not

pls show where I had insulted you now of before

Jesus has a God? yes or no
Jesus is subjected to that God ? yes or no
if Jesus have a God, how can He then be almighty God !

your questions are still pending
1. On April 27, I asked you to do this:
" maybe you that knows the implication can explain what you understand by what's recorded in revelation 1:1, 4-6
and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.
finally can you tell us what you think about heb 1:9 "

2. on April 27 jEphz
"for those saying Jesus is God.. pls. explain these Scripture for me ... Ephesians 5:1,2 1timothy 2:5 John 8:42 Act 2:22 Hebrews 12:2...... "

3. April 29
" the God of our Lord Jesus Christ " Eph 1:17, who is the God of Jesus Christ ?

4. "You say Jesus is still a man in heaven, you also say Jesus has a God when he was a man.
NOW DOES Jesus STILL HAVE A GOD IN HEAVEN?"
who anointed Jesus? who is that person to Jesus?
you can see that the questions are numbered, so dnt muddle it up , or give part response

solite3:
your questions will soon reach 1 million,keep multiplying

not multiplying, just repeating it to show you you have/will/refused to answer them

pls show where I had insulted you now of before

Jesus has a God? yes or no
Jesus is subjected to that God ? yes or no
if Jesus have a God, how can He then be almighty God !

your questions are still pending
[b]1. On April 27, I asked you to do this:
" maybe you that knows the implication can explain what you understand by what's recorded in revelation 1:1, 4-6
and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.
finally can you tell us what you think about heb 1:9 "
2. on April 27 jEphz made this request
"for those saying Jesus is God.. pls. explain these Scripture for me ... Ephesians 5:1,2 1timothy 2:5 John 8:42 Act 2:22 Hebrews 12:2...... "
3. jozzy4 asked you on April 29
" the God of our Lord Jesus Christ " Eph 1:17, who is the God of Jesus Christ ?
4. "You say Jesus is still a man in heaven, you also say Jesus has a God when he was a man.
NOW DOES Jesus STILL HAVE A GOD IN HEAVEN?"
who anointed Jesus? who is that person to Jesus?
you can see that the questions are numbered, so dnt muddle it up , or give part response

solite3:
dolphineheart u re the contradicting d scriptures.I responded to your questions but u said I didn't respond the way u wanted.hmm.I am not a robot

pls solite3, post your response again, and if you cannot post it, pls tell us the time and date you responded to it . I'll go there and reply you.



pls show where I had insulted you now of before

Jesus has a God? yes or no
Jesus is subjected to that God ? yes or no
if Jesus have a God, how can He then be almighty God !
your questions are still pending

[b]1. On April 27, I asked you to do this:
" maybe you that knows the implication can explain what you understand by what's recorded in revelation 1:1, 4-6
and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.
finally can you tell us what you think about heb 1:9 "

2. on April 27 jEphz made this request
"for those saying Jesus is God.. pls. explain these Scripture for me ... Ephesians 5:1,2 1timothy 2:5 John 8:42 Act 2:22 Hebrews 12:2...... "

3. jozzy4 asked you on April 29
" the God of our Lord Jesus Christ " Eph 1:17, who is the God of Jesus Christ ?

4. "You say Jesus is still a man in heaven, you also say Jesus has a God when he was a man.
NOW DOES Jesus STILL HAVE A GOD IN HEAVEN?"
who anointed Jesus? who is that person to Jesus?

you can see that the questions are numbered, so dnt muddle it up , or give part response

solite3:
did u read philippians2:6-8?u re arguing blindly.

I've not only quoted philipians 2:6-8 to you, I explained to you what is written there, you muddled up your reply so that I will not be able to reply, I've asked you to correct your post, you refused till now.

pls show where I had insulted you now of before

I have in detail explained what having the same nature entails, you refused to respond, only to come here and post false theories.

Jesus has a God? yes or no
Jesus is subjected to that God ? yes or no
if Jesus have a God, how can He then be almighty God !

other questions posted to you are still awaiting your response

[b]1. On April 27, I asked you to do this:
" maybe you that knows the implication can explain what you understand by what's recorded in revelation 1:1, 4-6
and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.
finally can you tell us what you think about heb 1:9 "

2. on April 27 jEphz made this request
"for those saying Jesus is God.. pls. explain these Scripture for me ... Ephesians 5:1,2 1timothy 2:5 John 8:42 Act 2:22 Hebrews 12:2...... "

3. jozzy4 asked you on April 29
" the God of our Lord Jesus Christ " Eph 1:17, who is the God of Jesus Christ ?

4. "You say Jesus is still a man in heaven, you also say Jesus has a God when he was a man.
NOW DOES Jesus STILL HAVE A GOD IN HEAVEN?"
who anointed Jesus? who is that person to Jesus?

[quote author=solite3 post=45766312][/quote]everyone can see that you could not respond, quote and explain the scriptures quoted in the post.

pls if you cannot explain those scriptures, pls leave and let the person it was quoted for explain them
the scriptures does not contradict itself

solite3:
insults as usual. U dolphins says Jesus has the same nature as God which means
If God is Almighty then Jesus is Almighty
If God is holy then Jesus is holy
If God is righteous then Jesus is righteous.
Cos Jesus has same nature as God

pls show where I had insulted you now of before

I have in detail explained what having the same nature entails, you refused to respond, only to come here and post false theories.

Jesus has a God? yes or no
jesus is subjected to that God ? yes or no
if jesus have a God, how can He then be almighty God !

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