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READERS SHOULD STILL CONTINUE TO NOTE BROCABS REFUSAL TO RESPOND TO THE SCRIPTURES QUOTED TO HIM OR THE QUESTIONS POSTED TO HIM. ALSO TO BE NOTED IS THAT ONCE A RESPONSE IS BEING GIVEN TO HIM ON THE SCRIPTURES HE RAISED HE WILL NOT RESPOND AGAIN ONLY TO COME AND REPEAT THE WHOLE THING LATER.
HE JUST DID THE SAME THING TO THIS POST.

brocab:
AND WHY DOES DOLPHINHEART INSIST ON HIM TO FIRST EXPLAIN REVELATION AND HEBREWS, THE TRUTH IS DOLPHINHEART DON'T KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN IT? NOT ONLY MYSELF' BUT OTHERS HAVE EXPLAINED THESE SCRIPTURES OVER AND OVER, AND STILL THEIR IS NO FRUIT FOUND IN DOLPHINHEART?

LIAR!!!!!
if you are not a liar, Copy and paste those responses, including yours in your reply to this post. answer to the request as stipulated and do not answer parts leaving other parts unanswered.

PLEASE NOTICE IF HE WILL DO THIS

ITS SAD EVERYONE IS LAUGHING AT YOU DOLPHINHEART, NO-ONE IS TAKING YOU SERIOUSLY, IT MUST BE LONELY FOR YOU TRYING TO CONNECT WITH YOUR ATTITUDE. BUT DON'T WORRY I AM SMILING BEHIND YOUR BACK EVERY TIME YOU HAVE WRITTEN SUCH RUBBISH AGAINST ME.

for ya mind!

YOU WON'T ANSWER REVELATION OR HEBREWS BECAUSE LIKE THE REST OF YOU DONKEYS' YOU ALL BELIEVE CHRIST IS A LITTLE GOD, AND NOT THE JEHOVAH GOD WHO IS, AND WHO WAS, AND WHO IS COMING BACK. I AM THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA THE FIRST AND THE LAST.
AND LETS CLEAR THIS UP, CAN YOU PROVE TO US ALL, WHERE DID BROCAB ONCE POSTULATED FALSE TEACHINGS AGAINST {REVELATION 1:7-8} THAT'S WRITTEN IN YOUR BIBLE.
TO BE TRUTHFUL IF DOLPHINHEART HAD ANSWERED THE QUESTION ABOUT {REVELATION 1:7-8} IN THE FIRST PLACE INSTEAD OF GIVING ME THE RUN AROUND, HE WOULDN'T BE ACTING LIKE HE IS NOW.
AGAIN DOLPHINHEART HAS MADE FALSE ACCUSATIONS AGAINST ME, ONCE AGAIN?

have I ever said I wunt tell him about rev 1: 7,8? no 

what have I said and have been saying all this while about that scripture.?
brocab quote and explain rev 1:1,4-6 and heb 1:9, tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.
do the above and ill explain rev 1:7,8 to you.
I want you to use your own words to expose yourself.

have I ever deviated from the above? no 

Why do i insist on him first explaining rev 1:1,4-6, heb 1:9 And telling who is talking in rev 3:2,12 before telling him about rev 1:7,8?

because 
1. He had once postulated false teachings about rev 1:7,8, this false teachings will be exposed and cleared if we examine rev 1:1,4-6, heb 1:9 And rev 3:2,12.
2. He will, as usual run away from the issue if I give him an explanation, only to come back later to ask the same question an answer has already been given, so I've decided that on these issue, he will use his own mouth to expose himself. He knows these, he knows those scriptures I asked him to quote and explain will expose his false teachings, hence he refuses to do so!. I've even promised to explain rev 1:7,8 to him if he quotes and explain those scriptures, but he still refuses to do so.
3. The note below is a third reason


ISSUES YOU REFUSE TO RESPOND TO
Why the kjv removed the name of God in most places it occured in the scriptures, I've asked you about it several times, but you refuse to respond

* pls note if he will respond in his reply

Note :
you have refused to: 

Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work. 

Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!. 
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

Examine this questions brocab 1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth? 
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit? 
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am" 
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit. 
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

You cannot answer if Jesus is the same person as the father.

You can't do this :
Simply quote and explain rev 1:1,4 -6 from any translation of your choice
Tell use who is talking in rev 3:2,12.....

brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :

1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9 
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3 
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9,11 
12. john 14:6 
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7 
16. ps 28:18

And a host of others

Brocab , examine these scripture 
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.

Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God!

brocab:
YOU ALSO BELIEVE IN YOUR OWN LIES.
Show me in the word where it say's Jesus is a god? Plus show me where Jesus being a god has a god superior to him?

JESUS IS A GOD
Isa 9:6For a child has been born to us, A son has been given to us; And the rulership will rest on his shoulder. His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
Isa 9:7To the increase of his rulership And to peace, there will be no end, On the throne of David and on his kingdom In order to establish it firmly and to sustain it Through justice and righteousness, From now on and forever. The zeal of Jehovah of armies will do this.

Joh 1:18No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him.

JESUS BEING A GOD, STILL HAS A GOD
Heb 1:9You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, YOUR GOD, anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”

Lu 3:21, 22Now when all the people were baptized, Jesus too was baptized. As he was praying, the heaven was opened up,
22and the holy spirit in bodily form like a dove came down upon him, and a voice came out of heaven: “You are my Son, the beloved; I HAVE APROVED YOU”

Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father AND TO MY GOD AND YOUR GOD.

1Co 11:3But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, THE HEAD OF CHRIST IS GOD.

Eph 1:17that THE GOD OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him.

Col 1:3We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,

Re 3:12“‘The one who conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name.

JESUS IS SUBJECTED AND LOYAL TO THAT GOD
Joh 14:28You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, FOR THE FATHER IS GREATER THAN I AM.

Joh 17:3This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.

Mr 15:34And at the ninth hour, Jesus called out with a loud voice: “Eʹli, Eʹli, laʹma sa·bach·thaʹni?” which means, when translated: “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”

Re 1:1A revelation by Jesus Christ, WHICH GOD GAVE HIM, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John,

Mt 20:23He said to them: “You will indeed drink my cup, but to sit down at my right hand and at my left IS NOT MINE TO GIVE, but it belongs to those for whom it has been prepared by my Father.”

Joh 8:42Jesus said to them: “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I HAVE NOT COME OF MY OWN INITIATIVE, BUT THAT ONE SENT ME.

1Co 15:24-28Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to HIS GOD AND FATHER, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power.
25For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet.
26And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing.
27FOR GOD "SUBJECTED ALL THINGS UNDER HIS FEET.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him.
28But when all things will have been subjected to him, THEN THE SON HIMSELF WILL SUBJECT HIMSELF TO THE ONE WHO SUBJECTED ALL THINGS TO HIM, that God may be all things to everyone.

1Pe 3:22He is at God’s right hand, for he went to heaven, and angels and authorities and powers WERE MADE SUBJECT TO HIM.

HOPING YOU WORLD BE ABLE TO QUOTE AND EXPLAIN SOME, IF NOT ALL OF THE SCRIPTURES ABOVE

And I can show you, your NWT bible claims Jehovah God is Jesus in {Revelation 1:8} Calling Him the Almighty.
This will be interesting?

no problem, just add your quote and explanation of rev 1: 1,4-6, and heb 1: 9
also tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.
If you do not add the above, your explanation will be termed as false !
a true Christian should not be afraid of sharing his knowledge of the scripture when he is being asked.

solite3:
thank God u even agreed I answered your question half.please apologise for the lie your told against me.

and you are not ashamed that you did not answer the question like you where supposed to

brocab:
You are still not listening, I am not interested in someone else calling Jesus the son of God,

we already know you are not interested in certain scriptures, it contradicts your false doctrines. well I am interested in what God himself had to say, what Faithfull withnesses had to say and what the disciples who where with jesus had to say about Jesus Christ .
It is this selective interested in the word of God that fuels false doctrines like yours.

I am interested in Jesus calling Himself the Son of God, without Him reading the scriptures' Psalms was written by David, and Jesus said He is the Son of God through the scriptures, not by His own accord He quoted psalms so the Jews would believe Him.

brocab, he quoted Psalms so that the Jews would believe that he is what? THE SON OF GOD!

let's look at the scriptures again.

[b]King James Version
Joh 10:36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; [/color=red]BECAUSE I SAID, I am the Son of God?[/color]
Does this verse above look like jesus was quoting from the psalms when he said this?NO!
your first task was to discredit other withnesses to the fact that Jesus is the son of God, your second task is to discredit jesus direct statemeNT that he told the Jews that he is the son of God. you failed woefully in both tasks.
when jesus told the Jews he was the son of God, they wanted to kill him, he had to defend his statements later with the psalms. Jesus used the scriptures cus he knew they would not understand the fact that he was in heaven as gods son, before coming to earth. In their minds, they thought he was just an ordinary human.

looking at your post again, you have not been able to tell us where quoted the psalms where David said " jesus (or david) is the son of god".

look at again at the supporting scriptures i quoted to you,
supportin scriptures:
Joh 5:25,26 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the SON OF GOD: and they that hear shall live.
26For as the Father hath life in himself; SO HATH HE GIVEN TO THE SON to have life in himself;

pls tell us brocab, if you are capable(though I find you incapable)who Jesus was talking about there? himself or someone else.

King James Version
Joh 20:17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

pls brocab, did Jesus not tell you he has a father?

you have quoted {John 10} Jesus presents Himself as the good shepherd, and in a debate with the Jewish leaders, He makes His claim.
"I and the Father are one" {John 10:30}

not only did I quote it, i explained what jesus said there, I gave you scriptures that surpported my views and Even gave you examples of what being one is. This you could not refute then or now!

Jesus claimed to be one with God, in the sense to be equal to Him, Jesus did not claim to be merely to be a messenger or a prophet of God, But of equal power of God.

You are a propagator of false doctrine brocab, you twist the scriptures to say what it did not tell you. Jesus being one with the father does not mean jesus is equal with/ to the father.
being one denotes unity of purpose. A man and a woman are expected to become one in a marriage union, having one purpose. brocab , does this mean the man and woman are equal in power in the union? I've asked this before, but no answer!
The answer is no, for the husband is the head of the wife!

brocad, open your eyes and read this scriptures below
King James Version
Joh 17:11And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
Joh 17:21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Joh 17:22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: King James Version
Joh 17:23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

ARE THE DISCIPLES EQUAL IN POWER TO JESUS OR GOD CUS THEY ARE ONE IN GOD AND JESUS? NOO!
BUT THIS IS WHAT BROCAB WANTS US TO BELIEVE, CUS HE BELIEVES THAT BEING ONE MEANS THEY ARE EQUAL!

so that brocab will not be successfull in twisting the scriptures, Jesus Himself said about himself and the father:
[b]King James Version
Joh 14:28Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: FOR MY FAYHER IS GREATER THAN I
pls notice that brocab would have read this scripture, and because it shows his doctrines as false, he would omit/refuse to quote and respond to it when talking about his doctrines or when it's used to prove his doctrines are false.

Jesus also told us that he was being given power and authority, he also told us who gave him such power. If jesus is equal to God, he will have such power and not be given such power.

His audience understood that Jesus was claiming equality with God the Father in {V 31} The Jews picked up stones again to stone Him, "When asked why they were planning to kill Him, they answered, for blasphemy, because you being a man make yourself God {John 10:33} If Jesus had been lying and deceived, His statement would have been blasphemous, In fact, the only way His words were not blasphemy is if Jesus was telling the truth about His equality with God.
Jesus referred to Himself as God's Son, and to God as His Father {John 10:36-37} Jesus used {Psalms 82:6} {I said you are god's you are all sons of the most high} this scripture gave Jesus the rights to claim He is the Son of God.
This is my argument, Where in the bible did Jesus actually say He is the Son of God, without someone else claiming He is? Psalms was written by David. Jesus made His statement to the Jews copying what psalms had said?

the Jews understood wrongly who Jesus is, being the son of God does not mean being equal to the father!
angels are also called sons of God, this does not mean they are all equal to God.

let's examine John chapter 10
King James Version
Joh 10:17Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
18. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. THIS COMMANDMENT HAVE I RECIEVED OF MY FATHER

the above words of jesus and other words caused a division among the jews, they later sorrounded jesus ,asking him if he was the Christ!
Jesus answered them
King James Version
Joh 10:25Jesus answered them, I TOLD YOU , AND YE BELIEVED NOT: the works that I do in MY FATHERS NAME, they bear witness of me.
Joh 10:29 MY FATHER, WHICH GAVE THEM TO ME, IS GREATER THAN ALL; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.
Joh 10:30I and my Father are one.

Jesus had already told them he has a father , who is Jesus to that father? A son!

like brocab, the Jews thought jesus was claiming equality with God, so they sought to stone Him.

[b]King James Version
Joh 10:33The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
from the scriptures above, can you see that the Jews where wrong?
they wanted to stone jesus cus he said he was the son of God, they believed jesus did not exist before in the heavens, and he was just a man like them, they thus think he, being a man was calling Himself God.

Jesus response to them shows that the Jews where wrong with their views

King James Version
Joh 10:34Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

this above verse is where Jesus quoted from psalms 82: 6
Ps 82:6I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

this was in reference to human judges who God had allowed to judge isreal , God called them gods . Jesus used their beliefs to counter their charge of blasphemy. They believe Jesus is just a man like them and Jesus used the fact that God called man gods to counter their charge.

King James Version
Joh 10:35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; King James Version
Joh 10:36Say ye of him, WHOM THE FATHER HATH SANCTIFIED, AND SENT INTO THE WORLD, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I AM THE SON OF GOD ?
Joh 10:37If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

let me simplify it for you, Jesus was saying, how come, when humans are being called gods , do you want to stone me, someone God sant Ifield and sent to earth by God , because I said I aM the Son on of God ?

brocab, did you notice that Jesus did nOT quote any scriptures again after showing them where in the scriptures humans are called gods?
his subsequent statements where therefore not quotes from the scriptures, but his own statement " I SAID, I AM THE SON OF GOD.

Jesus claimed that the Father sent Him,The one who the Father had set apart as His very own and has sent into the world {John 10:36} In this statement Jesus claimed pre-existence in the Fathers presents, No biblical prophet had ever made such a claim before, yet Jesus claimed to exist before Abraham

yes, Jesus existed before the world was created, but that does not mean he is equal to god. had a beginning, God does not. The scriptures had made it clear that Jesus has always been in subjection to the father!

{John 8:58} Jesus only stated that the Jews did not believe Him, He never said they misunderstood His claims to be God
{John 10:38} "Even through you do not believe me, believe the works that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father.
Again even with this statement How can Jesus claim to be the Son if they are equality one the same?

one and the same what?

You could not answer the question you where asked, but you decided to quote me.
After quoting me, you could not counter any of the beliefs I have
I believe Jesus is not the supreme being
I believe Jesus is not the most high
I believe when the scriptures say that the most high said to Jesus that he should sit at his right side.
I believe the visions of Stephen when he saw Jesus standing at the right side of God .
I believe that Jesus is a God.
I believe that Jesus being a God , still has a God superior to him
I believe that Jesus is subjected to that God .
I believe that that God is my God !, the only true god, the almighty God , Jehovah our father!

brocab:
{1 John 5:20} And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us insight to know Him, who is true, and we are in Him who is true, even in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the God and eternal life.

King James Version
1Jo 5:20And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, EVEN IN his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

why are you afraid to explain the verse you posted!
when Jesus came, who did he teach us about? the only true God
who dI'd he call the only true God? The father!
who is the father? his God, our God , the almighty , the supreme being, the most high, Jehovah!

exepts from John chapter 17(kjv)
[b]1 These words spoke Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, FATHER, the hour has come; glorify YOUR SON, that YOUR SON also may glorify you:
* esus testifies again that he is the son of God, he was not praying to himself, he was praying to God!

2 As YOU HAVE GIVEN HIM power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as you have given him.
* jesus let's it known again that God gave him power over all flesh

3 And this is life eternal, that they might KNOW YOU the only true God, AND Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
*jesus states it clearly and directly that the father is the ONLY TRUE GOD !

4 I have glorified you on the earth: I have finished the work which YOU GAVE me to do.
* Jesus Christ let's you realise that it's the father, the only true God that have him the work he came to do on earth!

6 I have manifested your name unto the men that you gave me out of the world: yours they were, and you gave them to me; and they have kept your word.

7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever you have given me are of you.

8 For I have given unto them the words which you gave me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from you, and they have believed that you did send me.

11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to you. Holy Father, keep through your own name those whom you have given me, that they may be one, as we are.

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also who shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; AS YOU, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also MAY BE ONE IN US: that the world may believe that you have sent me.

22 And the glory which you gave me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

23 I in them, and you in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that you have sent me, [/color]and have loved them, as you have loved me.

24 Father, I will that they also, whom you have given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which you have given me: for you loved me before the foundation of the world.

25 O righteous Father, the world has not known you: but I have known you, and these have known that you have sent me.

26 And I have declared unto them your name, and will declare it: that the love with which you have loved me may be in them, and I in them.

can you see from the above that Jesus and the father are not the same person, that the father is superior to jesus like jesus said: the father is greater than I am!

read 1 john chapter 5 again and you will understand what the verse you quoted is saying

abeg, who fit give me a short list of some good bolly wood movies to watch . just watched "pk" after solving the subtitle issues , and I really enjoyed it!
obixcel, armardeo Cao, anyone?
by the way I rated pk 8.9/10

Barristter07:
brocab



hello sir

I love the fact that you Love Jesus Christ, this is what is expected of every Christian.

but I wont want you to misunderstand dolphinheart, ( note that am not defending dolphinheart,).

Dolphinheart belives Jesus is A mighty one, infact a Mighty God . @ dolpinheart , correct me if am wrong

and every Christian know Jesus is a powerful being . no doubt .


But brocab, I want you to know that when u hear anyone saying Jesus is not God . they dont mean he is not powerful or mighty . they meant he doesnt fit the definition of God as the SUPREME BEING

definition of God

God
1.
2.
[god]
noun
the one Supreme Being, the creator and
ruler of the universe.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/god.

scripture firmly established that Jesus is not the supreme being, [size=27] by declaring many times that our Lord Jesus Christ has his own God too , [/size] any objection to that Fact ?

sir, You are definitely right!
I believe Jesus is not the supreme being
I believe Jesus is not the most high
I believe when the scriptures say that the most high said to jesus that he should sit at his right side.
I believe the visions of Stephen when he saw Jesus standing at the right side of God .
I believe that Jesus is a God.
I believe that Jesus being a God , still has a God superior to him
I believe that Jesus is subjected to that God .
I believe that that God is my God !, the only true god, the almighty God , Jehovah our father!

brocab:
You can't make a mockery out of something you don't understand, and I don't expect you to understand it, so its no good trying to understand something you haven't got a clue off.
Your argument is your own, its useless you are trying to prove Jesus is the Son of God, but your answers doesn't go with my Question? {Everyone knows Jesus is the Son of God}
My question is why didn't Jesus actually identify himself to His disciples, nor to anybody else in this matter.
When we read the scriptures Jesus didn't directly call Himself the Son of God, nor did He claim to be God. This information came from else where' written in the scriptures' who Jesus is.

Did info come from someone else as stated in my post you quoted? yes
info about who Jesus is came from God, nathy, matha and the disciples.

did any of them say "jesus is God !"? no

what did they say?
they said Jesus is the anointed one, the son of the living God!
* brocab, can you tell us who anointed jesus?!

You stated that in the scriptures , Jesus did not directly call himself the son of God , I've shown you where Jesus said so , but since you did not read it , ill show you again .

King James Version
Joh 10:36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest;  BECAUSE I SAID, I am the Son of God?

BROCABS, DID YOU HEAR JESUS OWN STATEMENT ABOVE, ARE YOU CALLING JESUS A LIAR THAT HE NEVER SAID "I AM THE SON OF GOD?"

supportin scriptures:
Joh 5:25,26 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
26For as the Father hath life in himself; SO HATH HE GIVEN TO THE SON to have life in himself;

King James Version
Joh 20:17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

brocab, why do you think the Jews wanted to kill him!
King James Version
Joh 5:18Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, BUT HE SAID ALSO THAT GOD WAS HIS FATHER making himself equal with God.


It's painful that you ,claiming to be a Christian will claim and focus on "Jesus not directly saying he is the son of god" as if it would negate the statements of others that where recorded in the scriptures!
they where all recorded for a reason, and they did not contradict each other!
King James Version
Joh 20:31BUT THESE ARE WRITTEN, THAT YE MIGHT BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS THE CHRIST, THE SON OF GOD, AND THAT BELIEVING YE MIGHT HAVE LIFE THROUGH HIS NAME!

Below are statements I made concerning what the scriptures I quoted tells us, you could not respond to it cus they are truth!
[b]is Jesus the highest? no
is Jesus son of the highest? yes.
is the the God who sent him? no
was Jesus sent by God ? yes
is Jesus the son of God ? yes
I wonder why some would desperately want to redefine who Jesus is using indirect method!
* What did this scriptures teach us
1. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God 
2. Jesus is the only begotten Son of the father
3. God send his son to the world
4. If you believe in the son , you will gain evalasting life 
5. The son is a different person from God 
6. Jesus is not almighty God , but his father is, being the one who sent him, and Jesus saying God sent him!, more importantly with 7 below.
7, Jesus said that only the father is the true God!
8. Jesus prayed to the father, affirming to do his will till death
9. The scriptures states that God is the head of Christ, this is also in liNe with the scriptures which tell us that the father is greater than Jesus, the father is God of Jesus , and Jesus having a God who anointed him!
10. Jesus was sent to pass on a message to mankind
11. Jesus was sent to save makind
12. Jesus was sent to lead us back to God , to become his children
13. Jesus came to give his life as a ransom so that we might gain evalasting life[/b]

Jesus always claimed to be the Son of man, or "I Am" He spoke only of His Father. He said' "I Am the Father are one.

Jesus is one with the father just as a husband and wife are expected to be one!
jesus wants his disciples to be one with him and his father also.

do you know that Jesus said he has a God ?
do you know that Jesus said the father is greater than him?

Jesus would agree on everything that was rightly said about Him, and it was God who spoke about His Son Jesus' either through others to get His message across. Or God would Say this is My Son in Him I Am well pleased.

gram!, with your own words, you just comfirmed that Jesus is Not the God who spoke about Jesus. that God is the almighty God !

God's message had travelled the land, even The woman said I know the Messiah is coming and Jesus said "I Am He. God spoke through Thomas and said" My Lord and My God. God also spoke through Peter, You are the Son of the living God.
So dolphinheart don't jump to far ahead of yourself, you have completely lost your mark.

did God send himself as the messiah? no
who did God send? his son
did the son acknowledge being seNT by God ? yes in John 17: 1-3

READERS SHOULD STILL CONTINUE TO NOTE BROCABS REFUSAL TO RESPOND TO THE SCRIPTURES QUOTED TO HIM OR THE QUESTIONS POSTED TO HIM. ALSO TO BE NOTED IS THAT ONCE A RESPONSE IS BEING GIVEN TO HIM ON THE SCRIPTURES HE RAISED HE WILL NOT RESPOND AGAIN ONLY TO COME AND REPEAT THE WHOLE THING LATER.
HE JUST DID THE SAME THING TO MY POST HE QUOTED

brocab:
These two scriptures are really getting to you-you are making a mockery out of yourself, all I had asked was for you to answer two simple verses, over two months ago, and of course you have been doing the run around to avoid these two simple verses.

have I been running around ? no
have I been changing the topic? no
have I ever said I wunt tell him about rev 1: 7,8? no

what have I said and have been saying all this while about that scripture.?
brocab quote and explain rev 1:1,4-6 and heb 1:9, tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.
do the above and ill explain rev 1:7,8 to you.
I want you to use your own words to expose yourself.

have I ever deviated from the above? no

Why do i insist on him first explaining rev 1:1,4-6, heb 1:9 And telling who is talking in rev 3:2,12 before telling him about rev 1:7,8?

because
1. He had once postulated false teachings about rev 1:7,8, this false teachings will be exposed and cleared if we examine rev 1:1,4-6, heb 1:9 And rev 3:2,12.
2. He will, as usual run away from the issue if I give him an explanation, only to come back later to ask the same question an answer has already been given, so I've decided that on these issue, he will use his own mouth to expose himself. He knows these, he knows those scriptures I asked him to quote and explain will expose his false teachings, hence he refuses to do so!. I've even promised to explain rev 1:7,8 to him if he quotes and explain those scriptures, but he still refuses to do so.
3. The note below is a third reason

I thought someone of your intelligence, and part of the JW organization could answer such. Am I wrong?
One would think {Revelation 1:7-8} would be easy to answer, but in your case "which I find strange" you are jumping too and fro scriptures from other bibles, not using the New World Translation bible, does this mean you and the rest of the JW's believe your bible is faulty.[/qoute]
I've asked you to test me and see if I wunt explain rev 1:7,8 to you, you have refused to respond to my request.
If I quote from a wrong translation, you have a right to mention it, you have not only refused to mention if I quoted a wrong translation, you have refused to talk about the verses I quoted.
there was a time you made allegations about some scriptures in the NWT being omitted, I explained ALL the scriptures you claimed where omitted to you, you saw the truth , instead of agreeing to it, you ran away from the issue. now you are trying to raise issues about the translation I use , an issue which I've explained and which you failed to respond to , expecially when I asked you some questions about it.

YOU ONCE CLAIMED YOU AGREE WITH THE KJV, I DECIDED TO QUOTE FROM THE KJV TO YOU IN MOST CASES POSSIBLE, THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN GO AGAIN ST IT IS TO ASK WHY I AM NOT QUOTING FROM THE NWT!

[quote]Listen I don't really care if you believe your bible is wrong? All I had asked could someone answer Revelation for me.

good, but I do care why the kjv removed the name of God in most places it occured in the scriptures, I've asked you about it several times, but you refuse to respond

* pls note if he will respond in his reply

You JW's had avoided these verses like a plague, "Does this mean Someone had made a terrible mistake and accidentally slip in Revelation' because it shows that someone knew God lived amongst men.
And does this mean the NWT-bible actually go's against your organization, and of course it couldn't be used as a positive doctrine.
I am not after a complete bible study, all I had asked was' could someone from your organization answer the truth?
The New World Translation bible, {Revelation proves Jehovah God is Jesus}
I am not arguing, I believe it too.
This removal has affected your knowledge on who the true God is:

continue to stroke ya ego, quote and explain rev 1:1,4-6, heb 1:9, and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12 and you false teachings will be exposed.
use any translation you like , but let us know which one you used. more importantly, dnt scatter the answers into several posts while still not answering all of them like your friend tried to do.

[b]Note :
you have refused to: 

Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work. 

Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!. 
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

Examine this questions brocab 1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth? 
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit? 
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am" 
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit. 
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

You cannot answer if Jesus is the same person as the father.

You can't do this :
Simply quote and explain rev 1:1,4 -6 from any translation of your choice
Tell use who is talking in rev 3:2,12.....

brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :

1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9 
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3 
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9,11 
12. john 14:6 
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7 
16. ps 28:18

And a host of others

Brocab , examine these scripture 
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.

Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty![/b]

solite3:
dolphineheart lieing is your nature keep it up

solite3, pls pls pls, answer the questions in full!

READERS SHOULD STILL CONTINUE TO NOTE BROCABS REFUSAL TO RESPOND TO THE SCRIPTURES QUOTED TO HIM OR THE QUESTIONS POSTED TO HIM. ALSO TO BE NOTE THAT ONCE A RESPONSE IS BEING GIVEN TO HIM ON THE SCRIPTURES HE RAISED HE WILL NOT RESPOND AGAIN ONLY TO COME AND REPEAT THE WHO LE THING LATER.

brocab:
You still have refused to answer {Revelation 1:7-8}

I've told you several times and I will repeat it again
brocab quote and explain rev 1:1,4-6 and heb 1:9, tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.
do the above and ill explain rev 1:7,8 to you.

I want you to use your own words to expose yourself.

And you had jumped once again, this time too far ahead of yourself, you really didn't understand anything I had written. Jesus avoided His identity, directly calling Himself God.

I gave you direct statements from the prophets, from the disciples, from Jesus himself and from God!, none of those statements or scriptures used to surpport it could you disprove, counter or go against. Your refusal to talk about those scriptures shows you can't go against what it said, and anytime it's mentioned, it hurts you!
Unfortunately for you, I'll continue to post those scriptures.

You dummy everyone knows Jesus is the Son of God, but deep within who is Jesus?
The question was, why didn't Jesus "directly tell His disciples His true identity?

funny you, because you realised that you cannot alter, confront or disprove the earlier answer given you decided to change the question to make it look as if I answered the wrong question, people are watching you o .

This was your question:

Why did Jesus the messiah avoided His true Identity?

You now change it to this so as to avoid a response to my answer:

why didn't Jesus "directly tell His disciples His true identity?

well ill tell you!
experience is the best teacher, if you experience something, you have better knowledge than just being told, but jesus did not only give this experience of who he is to his disciples he told about who he is to others in the presence of his disciples. Finally jesus made sure that they understood what they had experienced and what he told them.

WHO DID THE ANGEL TELL MARY THAT JESUS IS?
King James Version
Lu 1:31,32- And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
32 He shall be great, [color=red]and shall be called THE SON OF THE HIGHEST: and the Lord God shall give unto HIM the throne of his father David:

Ga 4:4But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

* is jesus the highest? no
is jesus son of the highest? yes.
is the the God who sent him? no
was jesus sent by God ? yes
is jesus the son of God ? yes
I wonder why some would desperately want to redefine who Jesus is using indirect method!

WHO DID JESUS SAY THAT HE IS
King James Version
Joh 10:36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

kjv
Mt 26:63,64- But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.
64. Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

WHO DID THE GOD SAY JESUS IS
King James Version
Mt 3:17And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

WHO DID PEOPLE AND SPIRITS SAY JESUS IS
army officers:
[b]Mt 27:54But when the army officer and those with him keeping watch over Jesus saw the earthquake and the things happening, they grew very much afraid and said: “Certainly this was God’s Son.”

nathy:
Joh 1:49Na·thanʹa·el responded: “Rabbi, you are the Son of God, you are King of Israel.”

John the baptist:
King James Version
Joh 1:34And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

martha:
King James Version
Joh 11:27She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

demons:
King James Version
Mt 8:29And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
King James Version
Lu 4:34Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art; the Holy One of God.[/b]

unfortunately, brocad says : jesus is God, he knows more than all those people combined.

WHAT DID THE DISCIPLES SAY AFTER EXPERIENCING WHO JESUS IS, EXPECIALLY WHEN HE ASKED THEM WHO HE IS
King James Version
Mt 16:15-17He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Stephen did not see a false vision, he saw the truth and it was recorded
King James Version
Ac 7:55But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
Ac 7:56And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

BROCABS , READ THE SCRIPTURES AND BELIEVE
King James Version
Joh 20:31But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

And yet Jesus allowed God to tell the world who He is. [/color] God had even use Thomas to announce Jesus's identity.
{John 20:28} Thomas said My Lord and My God.

Jesus told the world who He is, the father bear witness to these.
your statement "jesus allowed god" is another testament that Jesus is not the God you mentioned!

did Thomas exclamation mean that Jesus is the God of Thomas ? noo!
jesus had earlier told them who their God is!
King James Version
Joh 20:17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

and these they believed and followed
King James Version
Col 1:3We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,

And God's Holy Spirit supernaturally reveals this secret wisdom about Christ in us too.
{1 Corinthians 2:7-13} No" we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden, and that God destined before our glory before time began. None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had they would not have crucified the Lord of glory! No mind has conceived what God prepared for those who love Him, but God has revealed it to us by His Spirit... We have...received..the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
{Deuteronomy 29:29} "The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but those things which are revealed belong to us and our children forever, that we may do all the works of the law.
{Jeremiah 33:3} "Call to Me, and I will answer you, and show you great and mighty things, which you do not know.
{Isaiah 45:15} "Truly you are the God who hides Himself.
{Isaiah 48:6} "From now on I will teach you of new things, of hidden things unknown to you.
{John 6:45} "It is written in the prophets, They will all be taught by God.
{John 14:26} The Holy Spirit that God will send to you in My Name' will teach you all things. And bring to you the remembrance all things I had said to you.
{1 John 2:27} As for you, the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone teach you, But us His anointing teaches you about all things, and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in Him.
This scripture shows us we don't need anybody else teaching us the word of God, only the Holy Spirit reveals the truth to you.
{1 Colossians 2:2-3, 4:3, 1:26,27}That they may know the mystery of God, namely Christ, in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
So we understand God's Spirit the Holy Spirit teaches us all things, and yet the Holy Spirit is recognized as a person by John.
{John 16:15-Acts 13:2} The Holy Spirit is presented as a personal being, with a self Identity, different from both the Father and the Son. As the Father and Jesus makes this distinction when speaking of Him, He the Holy Spirit says "Separate Barnabas and Saul to "Me;

good, now listen to what the scripture revealed about Jesus! do not formulate your own theory from indirect statements.

Rilwayne001:
Your answer is actually subjective as Those monikers I mentioned up there will also come here to defend their belief that is contrary to yours.

I do not think I've stated any of my beliefs on this thread.
do you know if their belief is contrary to mine or you think their belief is contrary to mine?

I see no need to further the discuss since others will also come here to say they are better. Unless of course you want me to further question your subjective belief.

hope you noticed that my comment was not on if I'm better or not, I did not even talk about anyone's belief talk less of comparing.
do not prejudge or predict what others will say in the future, using it as a basis on what you do in the present.
you have the right to question me on anything at anytime on these thread. I also have the right to determine my response, if their is one.

I actually opened a thread about the watchtower sometimes ago, but non of you turned up.

none? are you sure ?

Rilwayne001:
Okay na, I get your drift clearly. No need to long things as I am not even the mood.

Thanks.

good you got my points. since you are not in the mood for an answer, i think it would have been good if you had not asked the question?

[quote author=solite3 post=45678591][/quote]mostimes, I too use a phone, and I dnt muddle people's words up, mixing my words with their own quotes. I just see it as a new way to avoid being replied to .

your questions are still pending

[b]1. On April 27, I asked you to do this:
" maybe you that knows the implication can explain what you understand by what's recorded in revelation 1:1, 4-6
and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.
finally can you tell us what you think about heb 1:9 "

2. on April 27 jEphz made this request
"for those saying Jesus is God.. pls. explain these Scripture for me ... Ephesians 5:1,2 1timothy 2:5 John 8:42 Act 2:22 Hebrews 12:2...... "

3. jozzy4 asked you on April 29
" the God of our Lord Jesus Christ " Eph 1:17, who is the God of Jesus Christ ?

4. "You say Jesus is still a man in heaven, you also say Jesus has a God when he was a man.
NOW DOES Jesus STILL HAVE A GOD IN HEAVEN?"
who anointed Jesus? who is that person to Jesus?

you can see that the questions are numbered, so dnt muddle it up. Also dnt just one today then come tomorrow saying you have answered all

solite3:
D whole world can c ur lies dolphineheart.lies which are false witnesses trade mark.Barrister quoted half of my words n started contradicting himself with it.dolphinsheart said Jesus has same nature as the father n when I quoted him he started attacking it. Goodnews said Jesus is THE MIGHTY GOD but when I showed him where Jehovah was also called THE MIGHTY GOD he suddenly change topic.@jws Who do u think u re deceiving. I don't take u serious anymore

your lies can cause an earthquake!
did you quote my words when I said Jesus has same nature as God ? no , you claimed I said something else which I did not say. I put what you claimed I said and what I actually said side by side and you where found to be a false accusser.

because you have been proven to be false, you changed your accusation, refusing to quote your exact words on which you accused me of initially, preferring to quote mine own words.

solite3:
this was how I answered heb1:9 Mr dolphineheart do you now c that u need God's mercy?

sir , did you answer the questions, attempting to answer one in different posts is an attempt to scatter the logic behind the question.
combine your answers and put it one single post, so that people reading it can easily see your false teachings.
I bet when you where siting for high school exams, you answer part A today, went home and came back to answer part B the next day .

solite3:
Dolphineheart when you asked to quote rev1:4-6

solite3, I was the one who asked that the verses above should be quoted and explained.
now let me show you what did you did wrong.

One of the questions was quoting and explaining the following scriptures
1. rev 1:1,4-6 and heb 1:9
2 tellING us who is talking in rev 3:2,12

did you quote and explain rev 1:1 In that post ?no
did you explain rev 1:6 in that post? no
did you quote and explain heb1:9 in that post ? no
di you tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12 in that post? NO OOOOO!

so since you did not do as requested ill have to ask you the questions again for you to see.

1. On April 27, I asked you to do this:
" maybe you that knows the implication can explain what you understand by what's recorded in revelation 1:1, 4-6
and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.
finally can you tell us what you think about heb 1:9 "

2. on April 27 jEphz made this request
"for those saying Jesus is God.. pls. explain these Scripture for me ... Ephesians 5:1,2 1timothy 2:5 John 8:42 Act 2:22 Hebrews 12:2...... "

3. jozzy4 asked you on April 29
" the God of our Lord Jesus Christ " Eph 1:17, who is the God of Jesus Christ ?

4. "You say Jesus is still a man in heaven, you also say Jesus has a God when he was a man.
NOW DOES Jesus STILL HAVE A GOD IN HEAVEN?"
who anointed Jesus? who is that person to Jesus?

Rilwayne001:
Well I thought you were.

since its just a thought, can you now modify that post to reflect your thoughts instead of making it seem like facts?

However does that stop the fact that your belief is different from that of Catholic, Angelican, Protestants C and s, mormon and other thousands of Christian denominations?

If actually you have the same belief as jman05 does that make your belief with other Christians on the board- such as: truthman2012 (a Trinity believer) and Annunaki (a non Trinity believer but doesn't believe Jesus is not an archangel) - the same?

the denominations and monikers you mentioned and i might share some beliefs, and I do know that some beliefs of these same denominations are not supported by me. I do not know much about the monikers you mentioned, and I'm not ready to use your views about there beliefs as a decider cus it might just be your views about their beliefs and not really their beliefs( your thoughts about me is a good example)

And the questions are: aren't you all Christian? Aren't you all reading the same Bible? If you you do, is it true that the Bible is a book of confusion?

Question: aren't you all christians?
answer: I dnt know. A Christian is a follower of jesus, one who tries to live his life the way Jesus did. I dnt know how they live their lives , so I dnt know if they are christians or not. one, even I , can claim to follow Christ when actually we are not.

This can be understood better if we look into to the Muslim world, ISIS , and some other groups claim to be Muslims while stating that some others are not , those others claim to be Muslims and that ISIS members are not. how does one know who really is a Muslim or a Christian?

Question: aren't you all reading the the same bible?
answer: the bible is a collection of books written over thousands of years by different writers. During these times, some have added books claiming to be part of the bible, claiming it's inspired, but their falsehood can be easily discovered. some have removed some inspired and not inspired scriptures from their own collection of books. so to answer you, sometimes, people who claim to be christians might not be reading the same collection of books.

These can be better understood when we look at the issues with the hadiths, some are claimed to be authentic, while some are claimed to be otherwise.

another important issue the bible has or had is the issue of translation, I belief the Koran had these too. only that for the bible , it's more complex since its older and cover a longer period of time.

Question: is it true that the bible is a book of confusion?
answer: the bible, the collection of inspired scriptures , is not a book of confusion.
confusion comes in when people deliberately want it to mean what is on their minds, and the devil gives them full surpport in these. over the years , some have been able to alter some words in the scriptures, but through time, such alterations has been discovered and corrected.

The Koran is a good example to explain these, Shia and sunni Muslims have the same Koran, I'm not such, but I'm led to believe that their understanding of it is different, I'm being told that there are several school of thoughts in each denominations too.

unlike the Koran, the bible went through a lot before we can have it today.
1. The issue of language and translations
2. The issue of destruction of the original copies. since some of this scriptures where written thousands of years ago , those originals could not have lasted that long. hence copies of it is prone to attacks by those who wanted to currupt the scriptures, but as christians, we believe that God preserved those original words till today, it's part of our faith.
there is also the issue of man made actions affecting the scriptures, for example, we are well aware of how many times Jerusalem was attacked and destroyed by those who where neither christians nor Jews. We know how those attacks would have affected the safety of the scriptures.
there is also the issue of those who Jesus described as weeds, but all in all, the word of God survived them all!
therfore, the confusion comes from the understanding, and not from the bible itself, just like you claim about isis and their understanding of the Koran.

Yes I am.. Rilwayne001 a. K. A rilwon. A. K. A truthman2013 (the real one)

ok.

Rilwayne001:
[b] Perhaps this is a memo to rilwayne001..?lol. And I must confess, this is really an eye opener. I learnt a lot again here.

It would have been better - like I used to tell these fellows that they should utilize the time they use in foraying into Islam to study their religion more.

Truthman2012 has been here for a while and he never created a thread to preach what Christianity teaches. All he does with his countless monikers is to keep preaching hate against Islam. He has nothing to offer us about Christianity with his countless monikers, but he has hatred to preach for us about Islam https://www.nairaland.com/truthman2012

I say: could it be because there really is nothing to preach about the Bible or the fear of the rebuttal he would get from atheist or even we Muslims on the board? Or perhaps he doesn't even believe what he profess? Or he is scared of his fellow that have this contradictory view about Christianity?

Same thing applies to Annunaki. He used to be "jagoon" before switching account to what he currently is. He's been here since 2008 with no reasonable thread about Jesus and Christianity except Muhammad and Islam. Like for real is it that these people have more faith in Muhammad and Islam that Jesus and Christianity to the extent that they have nothing to offer to the latter?

Truth is, they are all confused. They are all doubting their beliefs. Dolphin heart a unitarian Christian doesn't have the same belief with jman05 a Jehovah witness. Truthman2012 a Trinity believer who is allergic to anything outside his own church, who is also allergic to Catholic it's member doesn't have the same believe with Annunaki who doesn't believe in Trinity.

From JW to Catholic-anglican-protestans to deeper life, redeem church, white garments, C and S, celestial church and so on and the confusion continues. With over 30000 Christian denomination in the world, it is evident that there are lots problem in Christianity. However these fellows are not ready to explain or proffer solution to this problems but are quick to dabble into Islam.

And the most ridiculous part is that they hardly read their Bible and in return are ignorant of a lot of lies and contradictions in it.

Just take a look at how Matthew lied in your post. The Bible has been a fraud right from Genesis to revelation. Ask Annunaki or parisbookaddict to come and clear this now and they will have nothing to say except insult. Muhammad this, Allah that.. Smh

Once again, thank you brother for this thread. This thread should adjust their thinking capacity if actually they have an active brain.

[/b]

sir, why did you call me a unitarIan Christian and how did you come to the conclusion that I dnt have the same belief as jman05

ill like to ask, are you rilwon?

.

solite3:
dolphineheart be truthful and civilized.

I'm definitely truth full and civilization sir

I ve answered u before. U ve ignored all my posts. u re not worth my attention

no you have not, hence I post it again for you to see.


[b]1. On April 27, I asked you to do this:
" maybe you that knows the implication can explain what you understand by what's recorded in revelation 1:1, 4-6
and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.
finally can you tell us what you think about heb 1:9 "

2. on April 27 jEphz made this request
"for those saying Jesus is God.. pls. explain these Scripture for me ... Ephesians 5:1,2 1timothy 2:5 John 8:42 Act 2:22 Hebrews 12:2...... "

3. jozzy4 asked you on April 29
" the God of our Lord Jesus Christ " Eph 1:17, who is the God of Jesus Christ ?

4. "You say Jesus is still a man in heaven, you also say Jesus has a God when he was a man.
NOW DOES Jesus STILL HAVE A GOD IN HEAVEN?"
who anointed Jesus? who is that person to Jesus?

I'll also add this :
" keep it up, your character will be exposed more and more. You are picking verses up and down, but your eyes shut down its services to the ones you where asked to share your understanding on. You only see what you want to see, when the truth is being shown to you, you will not see it!. Some certain verses are being posted to you, you where asked to tell us what you understand by what is written in those verses, because such explanation will expose you as a liar, you refused to even quote them, talk less of explaining them. "
you refuse to answer the question above, but you feel it's ok to ask the question below
solite3, pls answer the questions above!

brocab:
So what is the truth about Jesus, Why did Jesus the messiah avoided His true Identity?

Jesus did not avoid his identity , he said who he is, where He came from, why he came and who sent him many times!, over and over again. below are just a few!

[b]King James Version
Joh 3:13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, [color=red]but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

King James Version
Joh 6:38For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, BUT THE WILL OF HIM THAT SENT ME.

King James Version
Joh 8:42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came FROM God; neither came I of myself, but HE sent me.

* What have we learnt so far
1. Jesus came from heaven
2. He came down from heaven cus he was sent by someone else,
3. He came to earth to do the will(order/command) of the person that sent him
4. The person who sent him is the father
5. The father is God !
let's continue.....

[b]King James Version
Joh 1:14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

King James Version
Joh 3:16,18For God so loved the world, THAT HE GAVE his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
18. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in THE NAME OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD

King James Version
1Jo 4:9,10.In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
10. Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that HE loved us, and SENT HIS Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

King James Version
Joh 17:3And this is life eternal, THAT THEY MIGHT KNOW THEE THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST, WHOM THOU HAST SENT.

King James Version
Lu 22:41, 42And he was withdrawn from them about a stone’s cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,
42Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

King James Version
1Co 11:3But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; AND THE HEAD OF CHRIST IS GOD

King James Version
1Jo 2:1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous

King James Version
Joh 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.[/b]

* What did this scriptures teach us
1. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God
2. Jesus is the only begotten Son of the father
3. God send his son to the world
4. If you believe in the son , you will gain evalasting life
5. The son is a different person from God
6. Jesus is not almighty God , but his father is, being the one who sent him, and Jesus saying God sent him!, more importantly with 7 below.
7, Jesus said that only the father is the true God!
8. Jesus prayed to the father, affirming to do his will till death
9. The scriptures states that God is the head of Christ, this is also in liNe with the scriptures which tell us that the father is greater than jesus, the father is God of jesus , and Jesus having a God who anointed him!
10. Jesus was sent to pass on a message to mankind
11. Jesus was sent to save makind
12. Jesus was sent to lead us back to God , to become his children
13. Jesus came to give his life as a ransom so that we might gain evalasting life

Following (4)above, I'll like to ask you if you believe in Jesus when he told us who our God is in John 20 :17
King James Version
Joh 20:17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

brocab, can you explain the coloured parts of these scripture:
[b]King James Version
Ac 17:30,31 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
31.Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

for more better understanding of jesus and his relationship to his God and Father , read John chapter 5 and chapter 17

Jesus never said clearly in so many words "I am God" but He did say indirectly:

your preference to accept indirect, derived, man made beliefs instead of the direct words of God, Jesus and his disciples is a very bad thing!
jesus had DIRECTLY told you who sent him, why he was sent, who he is, his relationship with the one who sent him.
1.The father had said Jesus is his son, that he anointed him
2. Jesus has said the father is his God and father, that he sent him, that he is superior to him
3. The disciples had repeatedly said we have only one God who is the father , the God of jesus.

you refuse this direct statements but believe supposed indirect statements.
indirect is another word for twisting what the scriptures said , while deliberately ignoring direct words from God.

{John 6:41-42} At this the Jews began to grumble about Him because He said, "I Am the bread that came down from Heaven" They said is this not Jesus the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can He say, I came down from Heaven"?"

because he was sent to be the bread! he is not the same person as God who sent him!

{John 8:58} I tell you the truth, "Jesus answered , before Abraham was born "I Am" At this they picked up stones to stone Him.

Jesus existed before Abraham, he was the begginING of the creation of God

{John 6:35} I Am the bread of life.

yes, cus God gave him the ability and authority to give us life!

{John 8:12} I Am the Light of the world.

King James Version
Isa 49:6And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: [/color=red]I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.[/color]

{John 10:9} I Am the gate.

King James Version
Joh 10:9I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

{John 10:11} I Am the good shepherd.

King James Version
Heb 13:20Now the God of peace, THAT BROUGHT AGAIN from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

{John 11:25} I Am the resurrection & the Life.

King James Version
Joh 11:25Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

King James Version
Joh 3:16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

King James Version
Joh 5:25,26 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
26For as the Father hath life in himself; SO HATH HE GIVEN TO THE SON to have life in himself;

{John 14:6} I Am the way & the truth and the life.

way to who ? his God and father!

{John 15:1} I Am the true vine.
{Exodus 3:14} {Note "I Am" is the name God's used for Himself when He spoke to Moses. Stoning was the punishment for blasphemy prescribed in the Mosaic Law}

quote those sriptures and let's examine

* readers should note by now that apart from using an indirect way, he is cutting part of the same statements that will not surpport his indirect beliefs off, hens I had to post those scriptures fully.

What did Jesus mean when He said I and the Father are One?

because jesus and the father are united, have same purpose, the fulfillment of the fathers will. The same oneness that a husband and wife should have, the same oneness that the disciples are encouraged to develop and have! so that they may also be one with jesus and God!

{John 10:30} Jesus presents Himself as the good shepherd, and in a debate with the Jewish leaders, makes the claim I and the Father are one. it was a bold statement-one His audience found quite audacious-and it reveals much about who Jesus is.
Do I go on?

go and read the scriptures brocab, Jesus told them again and again that he is the son of God, and not God himself. God being the father who the Jews had no problem with.
The father is greater than I AM, Jesus said!

NOTE: you have refused to respond to the request , nor the scriptures quoted to you!

solite3:
I thank God you agreed that Jesus has the same nature as God

I be said that siiiiiiiiince! are you just reading it?, no wonder you kept laying false accusations

how many times will I answer your questions .

once is enough sir . but since you have not answered it, ill post it here again


[b]1. On April 27, I asked you to do this:
" maybe you that knows the implication can explain what you understand by what's recorded in revelation 1:1, 4-6
and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.
finally can you tell us what you think about heb 1:9 "

2. on April 27 jEphz made this request
"for those saying Jesus is God.. pls. explain these Scripture for me ... Ephesians 5:1,2 1timothy 2:5 John 8:42 Act 2:22 Hebrews 12:2...... "

3. jozzy4 asked you on April 29
" the God of our Lord Jesus Christ " Eph 1:17, who is the God of Jesus Christ ?

4. "You say Jesus is still a man in heaven, you also say Jesus has a God when he was a man.
NOW DOES Jesus STILL HAVE A GOD IN HEAVEN?"
who anointed Jesus? who is that person to Jesus?


I'll also add this :
" keep it up, your character will be exposed more and more. You are picking verses up and down, but your eyes shut down its services to the ones you where asked to share your understanding on. You only see what you want to see, when the truth is being shown to you, you will not see it!. Some certain verses are being posted to you, you where asked to tell us what you understand by what is written in those verses, because such explanation will expose you as a liar, you refused to even quote them, talk less of explaining them. "
you refuse to answer the question above, but you feel it's ok to ask the question below
solite3, pls answer the questions above!

oluminnic:
The answers to all your questions are there

no sir , they re not.
You can see that I specifically numbered it so that when you answer , you can show whic question you are answering. For example , if you put "(1), I'll know it's the answer to question 1 that you are giving

1. On April 27, I asked you to do this:
" maybe you that knows the implication can explain what you understand by what's recorded in revelation 1:1, 4-6
and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.
finally can you tell us what you think about heb 1:9 "
Up tilL this moment, you are still refusing to do it!

2. on April 27 jEphz made this request
"for those saying Jesus is God.. pls. explain these Scripture for me ... Ephesians 5:1,2 1timothy 2:5 John 8:42 Act 2:22 Hebrews 12:2...... "
up tilL now, NO RESPONSE!

3. jozzy4 asked you on April 29
" the God of our Lord Jesus Christ " Eph 1:17, who is the God of Jesus Christ ?
Up till now you could not provide an answer!
I'll still keep to my response(posted earlier) about your character

" keep it up, your character will be exposed more and more. You are picking verses up and down, but your eyes shut down its services to the ones you where asked to share your understanding on. You only see what you want to see, when the truth is being shown to you, you will not see it!. Some certain verses are being posted to you, you where asked to tell us what you understand by what is written in those verses, because such explanation will expose you as a liar, you refused to even quote them, talk less of explaining them. "

you refuse to answer the question above, but you feel it's ok to ask the question below

solite3:
dolphineheart u are hilarious, u said Jesus has the same nature with God.what is the nature of God?

solite3, pls answer the questions above!
ill answer the question once you admit you raised false accusation against me, of which I've proved it to be false!

brocab:
You are wasting my time, you can't answer your bible's mistakes. nor can you answer any of the scriptures that's been written.
The New World Translation bible had proven Jehovah God is Christ Himself. {Revelation 1:1-8,12-13, 17-18. Revelation 22:6-7, 12-13, 16-17, 20 And the One who bears witness of these things say's "Yes I am coming quickly" Amen! "Come Lord Jesus"}
{End of digestion}

pls pls pls brocab , qoute and explain what you understand by what is written in rev 1:1,4-6 and heb 1:9, pls tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12
DO that and I'll tell you about rev 1:7,8

you already have a long list of unanswered questions and scriptures you have so far refused to quote and explain

hundreds of places where it occured in the scriptures. 
This removal has affected your knowledge on who the true God is: 

[b]Note :
you have refused to: 

Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work. 

Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!. 
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

Examine this questions brocab 1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth? 
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit? 
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am" 
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit. 
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

You cannot answer if Jesus is the same person as the father.

You can't do this :
Simply quote and explain rev 1:1,4 -6 from any translation of your choice
Tell use who is talking in rev 3:2,12.....

brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :

1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9 
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3 
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9:11 
12. john 14:6 
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7 
16. ps 28:18

And a host of others

Brocab , examine these scripture 
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.

Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty ![/b]

Before I go into your post, I'll like to remind you of the questions you have vehemently refused to answer, and scriptures you have refused to respond to up till now!

1. On April 27, I asked you to do this:
"maybe you that knows the implication can explain what you understand by what's recorded in revelation 1:1, 4-6
and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.
finally can you tell us what you think about heb 1:9"

Up tilL this moment, you are still refusing to do it!

2. on April 27 jEphz made this request
"for those saying Jesus is God.. pls. explain these Scripture for me ... Ephesians 5:1,2 1timothy 2:5 John 8:42 Act 2:22 Hebrews 12:2......"

up tilL now, NO RESPONSE!

3. jozzy4 asked you on April 29
" the God of our Lord Jesus Christ " Eph 1:17,  who is the God of Jesus Christ ?

Up till now you could not provide an answer!

I'll still keep to my response(posted earlier) about your character

" keep it up, your character will be exposed more and more. You are picking verses up and down, but your eyes shut down its services to the ones you where asked to share your understanding on. You only see what you want to see, when the truth is being shown to you, you will not see it!. Some certain verses are being posted to you, you where asked to tell us what you understand by what is written in those verses, because such explanation will expose you as a liar, you refused to even quote them, talk less of explaining them."

Now let's look at your muddled up post.

solite3:
these were your word's dolphineheart


phil 2:7 English Standard Version
but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.

Jesus was so humble that he agreed to take the form of a servant, so as to carry out the instructions of the highest majesty. so that God's purpose might be fulfilled.

. Jesus was not said to take the form of an angel, he took the form of a human,
aggelos: an angel, messenger
Original Word: ἄγγελος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: aggelos
Phonetic Spelling: (ang'-el-os)
Short Definition: an angel, messenger
Definition: a messenger, generally a (supernatural) messenger from God, an angel, conveying news or behests from God to men.
dolphineheart where are you?

solite3, these are my exact words below:
"the above verse is telling us that Jesus, despite being in the same nature or form with God , did not count it that he can be equal to God , a sharp contrast from Satan."

this is what you said I said:

u said Jesus and his father have one nature

can you see it has been proven that you are a liar now?

You still make false acussations despite d fact that I went further to explain what having the same nature means!

other questions you have refused to answer :

"You say Jesus is still a man in heaven, you also say Jesus has a God when he was a man.
NOW DOES Jesus STILL HAVE A GOD IN HEAVEN?"

who anointed jesus? who is that person to jesus?

solite3:
u clearly don't have anything to say.

you dnt want me to reply that post abi! so you refuse to fix it so that we know where my words ended and where yours began? no problem! continue with your ways.

u said Jesus and his father have one nature

YOU ARE A BIG LIAR SOLITE3, IVE ASKED YOU TO SHOW WHERE I MADE THE STATEMENT "JESUS AND HIS FATHER HAVE ONE NATURE" AND YOU HAVE BEEN UNABLE TO DO SO!
STOP MAKING FALSE ACCUSATIONS PLSSSSSSSSSSS!

but at d same time deny that Jesus is God n saying his Father is God U re really confused

solite3, pls pls quote and share your understanding of reV 1:1,4-6 and heb 1:9, also tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12

let's see one more time, who you really are!

you refuse to answer if jesus who is in heaven has a God!

oluminnic:
@dolphinheart

Eve was taken out of man Gen.2:23, they both became two separate person but the bible says when they cling together they are one Gen. 2:24. The man was created to be god over other creature but to Eve, his bone of bone, he is lord.

Don't forget man was created in the likeness of God; meaning if you want to understand somethings about God, study the history of the first(sinless) man. Even the bible showed that we are created to declear God (1 Peter1:10-12, Eph. 3:10-11)

When God revealed his name Jehovah, you will noticed everything followed suit, names were given in line with that because it was a new line of revelation. Even Jesus means 'Jehovah is salvation'. But in Jesus was a new revelation, we understand that the word that was God(John1:1) was in him (John 1:14), that he is one with God (John 10:30), that he referred to God (which all knew as Jehovah then) as 'my Father' (John 5:18) that there a person of Holy Spirit, who cannot leave the Father except he goes to the Father (John 16:7)

In Jesus, we understand that there is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. And how di we know they are one. Jesus said I and my father, we are one. Instead of Jesus saying baptise in the name of God, he said baptise in the name of the Father, the name of the Son and the name of the HS (Matthew 28:19)

And that is why in the NT, you hear HS, Jesus Christ, God (Father) because we were baptised in the name of Jesus (and his revelation) while in the OT, you see Jehovah (God's revelation to Moses) because they were baptised into Moses (1 Cor. 10:1-2).

sir pls add the answers to my question in your explanations so I can examine it together

brocab:
You are like a broken record dolophinheart, I am still waiting for you to answer {Revelation 1:7-8}

whichever one of you wants to answer it
brocab, solite3. pls pls pls qoute and explain what you understand by what is written in rev 1:1,4-6 and heb 1:9, pls tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12

DO that and I'll tell you about rev 1:7,8

solite3:
dolphineheart I understand that some scriptures may seem difficult for you to understand but if you truly desire and receive christ into your heart the scale will be removed. U will understand everything like the broad day light. Your burden will be lifted, the God that was with the apostles is still around today and still doing wonders.God is not limited to what we think that's why he is JEHOVAH you see we Christians don't border to define God we simply believe.Let me tell you, if you want the truth follow the example of daniel.U can be free!

oGa, go and adjust that post so I can reply you. abi arranging post anyhow is now the new method of changing topic?
you removed my post and added it to yours when you quoted me, you also added some of your words to my quote.
Pls adjust the post so we know what you said I what I have said, that is not too hard a thing for you to do na.

who is scripture difficult for him to understand between me and you, is it you that refuse to qoute and explain it or me that responds to all scriptures that you quoted.

let me show who you are to the world once more
solite3 pls quote and explain rev 1:1,4-6, and heb 1:9
tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12

let's see if you will respond in your reply

efismikoko:
Please Christians if god cursed Eve after she ate the forbidden fruit that she will give birth in pains why do other animals feel pain when they do give birth
This to me prove that the bible was written by men and was not inspired by any god

op, go and read the bible again, read out what God said to Eve, repeat it several times, so that it can sink in! then come back here and tell us what you read.

expo: god did not curse her by saying she will give birth in pains