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EVERY ONE CAN NOW SEE THAT THE OP IS A FRAUD. HE CAN NOT
1. refute or deny evidences/ proofs bought by scholars as to the curruption of the verses he quoted.
2. bring any evidence/ proof to surpport his quote of currupted text
3. respond to statements made on the currupted texts .

He has refused to share his understanding of certain scriptures posted to him, despite accepting the challenge and posting several scriptures above the stipulated 5 to surpport his views.

He has refused to respond to reply on the scriptures he quoted, preferring not to see them.
He has refused to respond to several questions asked about the verses he quoted.

readers can see that his method of not responding to truth is to cut off parts someone else post, expecially the parts that he cannot respond to and which exposes his teachings as false.

readers can see that their where several attempts made to make him respond to certain scriptures, but he vehemently refuses to do so.

A PERSONS BEHAVIOR WHEN DISCUSSING GOD'S WORD, HIS INABILITY OR REFUSAL TO RESPOND TO CERTAIN SCRIPTURES VERSES GOES A LONG WAY IN DETERMINING IF THAT PERSONS IS TRUTHFULL OR JUST WANT TO SHARE FALSE TEACHINGS!

[quote author=brocab post=45574658]Its funny you JW's disagree with {Revelation 1:7-8} and this verse is written in your own bibles.[/qoute]
you are the same person saying they did not tell you about the verse, you are now saying they disagree. your hiprocricy no get gauge.

I see dolphinheart had run away once more, leaving the dickhead to pick up the pieces.

continue seeing things.

We have answered {Hebrews 1:8-9} time and time again and none of you can understand the scriptures.

who be "we", pls post what "we" said, or direct us to where he said it. After then conclude the request by post next to it your views/ explanations/ understanding of reV 1:1,4-6 and also tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12

Maybe you should answer {Hebrews 1:8-9} and fill us in how this scripture should sound? I have already heard it from dolphinheart, who is and who was, and who is coming isn't Jesus, now lets here it from you' explain {Hebrews 1:8-9}

answer to the request and your questions will be answered

[quote author=solite3 post=45556064][/quote]pls adjust your posts so that I can reply

oluminnic:
@dolphinheart

You are not right with your inferences


I'm not teaching you trinity but the word of God

You are just like the scribes and pharisees of bible days
God does not have to change his character anytime/sometimes. There is an established personality of Jesus and that of the HS and the three of them can sit together to have a meeting

ok. The three of them can sit to have a meeting.
1. but its only one person that is sitting Down as three personalities right?
3. and that person is Jehovah right?

As regards 'analogy' I believe you should understand English. No analogy is perfect for anything, that is the reason why it is called analogy for easy understanding

I used the example of a single cast in a drama to help your understanding because I know where you are coming from.

sir you where the one that used the example, I was only discussing the trinity based on the example you used , you even affirmed the the trinity was more like (a) rather than (b).
thus I made conclusions based on the example you gave only for you to now claim it's inapopriate. For better understanding, let me just ask some questions
1. is Jehovah a person
2. is jesus a person
3. is the father a person
4. is the person jehovah , the same as the person jesus or they are two different persons
5. what is the connection between the father and son.
6. what is the relationship between the father and jehovah

@ johnw74 continued

Jehovah
Psa 130:7 Let Israel hope in the LORD: for with the LORD there is mercy, and with him is plenteous redemption.
Psa 130:8 And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.

Jesus
Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.


....

the scriptures says Jehovah is our savior and also mentions jesus as our savior, does this mean that Jesus is Jehovah ? no


in times past jehovah had redeemed mankind through his powerful hands and sometimes
saved the isrealites through people.

King James Version
Ne 9:27Therefore thou deliveredst them into the hand of their enemies, who vexed them: and in the time of their trouble, when they cried unto thee, thou heardest them from heaven; and according to thy manifold mercies thou gavest them saviours, who saved them out of the hand of their enemies.

but in the Christian era, Jehovah used jesus to redeem us, after acknowledging that the father is the God of jesus Christ, the apostle said this:
King James Version
Eph 1:5-7Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by(*through) Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of HIS will,
6,To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. King James Version
7In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
(note, some Translations say :
New Living Translation
He is so rich in kindness and grace that he purchased our freedom with the blood of his Son and forgave our sins.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Through the blood of his Son, we are set free from our sins. God forgives our failures because of his overflowing kindness.)

so you can see that our redemption is from God through Jesus Christ, do you remember who sent jesus to redeem us and why?

[b]Ac 20:28Pay attention to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the holy spirit has appointed you overseers, to shepherd the congregation of God, which he purchased with the blood of his own Son.

Ro 3:24,25 and it is as a free gift that they are being declared righteous by his undeserved kindness through the release by the ransom paid by Christ Jesus.
25. God presented him as an offering for propitiation through faith in his blood. This was to demonstrate his own righteousness, because God in his forbearance was forgiving the sins that occurred in the past.

Re 5:9And they sing a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, for you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought people [/color=blue]for God[/color] out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,

jude 25 (English Standard Version)
to the only God, our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen

1Ti 2:5, 6For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,6who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all—this is what is to be witnessed to in its own due time.[/b]

Jehovah
Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Jesus
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

who was pierced, Jesus or jehovah or both?
Answer : jesus

King James Version
Joh 19:34But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.

King James Version
Joh 20:25The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

what does the kjv say concerning the fulfillment of these prophecy?
[b]King James Version
Joh 19:37And again another scripture saith, They shall look ON HIM whom they have pierced




Zechariah 12:10 (New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE)
I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of mercy and supplication, so that when they look on him whom they have thrust through, they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and they will grieve for him as one grieves over a firstborn.

Zechariah 12:10 Revised Standard Version (RSV)
Mourning for the Pierced One
“And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of compassion and supplication, so that, when they look on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over......

Zechariah 12:10 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)
Mourning for the Pierced One
“And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of compassion and supplication, so that, when they look on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one....

Zechariah 12:10 Contemporary English Version (CEV)
Mourning for the One Pierced with a Spear
I, the LORD, will make the descendants of David and the people of Jerusalem feel deep sorrow and pray when they see the one they pierced with a spear. They will mourn and weep for him, as parents weep over the death of their only child or their first-born.[/color]

Jehovah
Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Jesus
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

both verses are talking about jehovah . since your translation removed the name of God in Joel 2:32, how could you know it was jehovah that was being talked about when it was quoted by the apostles in rom 10:13

Joe 2:32And everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved; For on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be those who escape, just as Jehovah has said, The survivors whom Jehovah calls.”

NOW I HAVE FULLY RESPONDED TO ALL THE SCRIPTURES YOU QUOTED, I EXPLAINED THEM AND USED THE SCRIPTURES TO SURPPORT MY VIEWS
NOW LETS SEE IF YOU CAN DO THE SAME FOR THE FOLLOWING SCRIPTURES

King James Version
Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

King James Version
1Co 11:3But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

King James Version
Joh 20:17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

King James Version
1Co 15:27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
King James Version
1Co 15:28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.



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johnw74:
@bold, You might as well repeat everything again, you have nothing genuine to say, and saying the same things over and over again is all you ever do

I will continue to repeat it as long as they are truth, as long as you can't provide contrary explanations, as long as you can't provide proof , and as long as you can't respond to them
EVERY ONE CAN NOW AGREE TO THE FOLLOWING
1. there are certain scriptures posted to johnw74 that he cant/refuse to respond to. He can claim that those scriptures had been repeated several times, but not once has he quoted and given his own view on those scriptures.
2. He has not been able to provide proof that the scriptures he quoted are not from currupted verses.
3. He has not been able to disprove facts shown to him by scholars about the currupted verses he quoted
4. He had not been able to show why older manuscripts e.g the dead sea schrolls(which had been kept hidden from his for Father's do not have some of the currupt ed verses.

@red, You don't understand at all, me having a discussion with antichrist jw
is like discussing truths with satan, I have no interest at all in that.,
I would just show satan to be wrong, as I do with antichrist jw.

you can't show me to be wrong cus you can't quote and explain the scriptures quoted to you, you are not capable of quoting and explaining those scriptures.

You can continue to reject all of God's inspired scriptures posted on Jesus being God as much as you want
and as you have been doing, I know Jesus is God, I know the Bible verses posted are true, and so I still won't be wasting time responding to all of your rejections of the scriptures.

it is you that reject gods word, I post it to you, but you refuse to respond to it. to show people once again what Kind of person you are ill quote the word of God to you once more and they should see that you wunt respond to it , you wunt share or tell your understanding of those scriptures!

King James Version
Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

King James Version
1Co 11:3But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

King James Version
Joh 20:17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

* READERS SHOULD NOTE ONCE MORE THAT HE HAD BEEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE HIS VIEW OF THOSE SCRIPTURES ABOVE, PLS NOTE AND SEE IF HE WILL TELL OR SHARE HIS UNDERSTANDINGS OF THE SCRIPTURES ABOVE, EXPECIALLY THE COLOURED PARTS

All you do is troll the OP and blaspheme God like a good little false jw does, calling God "a god "an angel"
and blaspheme God and the Word calling them "a two headed god"


These along with all others verses posted are true if you are going to start again, why not start here seeing that you didn't comment on them:

you did not post them to me, if you had wanted me to respond, you know what you should have done.

Here are even more verses showing that Jesus is God, showing that Jesus is Jehovah:

Jehovah
Psa 102:25 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.

Jesus
Heb 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

Does making the same reference to God(jehovah) and to his son(jesus) imply they are the same person? no

Why then does heb 1:10 quote psa 102:25 and apply it to the Son, when the psalm says that it is addressed to God?
Answer :Because the Son is the one through whom God performed the creative works there described by the psalmist.

[b]King James Version
Col 1:15,16 -Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16. For by him(*through him, by means of him) were all (*other)things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

King James Version
Pr 8:22,27-30The LORD possessed(*brought me forth/formed/created/ produced)me in the beginning of his way, before HIS WORKS of old.
27 [color=blue]When HE prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
30. Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;[/b]

(*) depending on the translation you use .

verse 30 of other translations say :
New International Version
Then I was constantly at his side.......
New Living Translation
I was the architect at his side........
English Standard Version
then I was beside him, like a master workman......
New American Standard Bible
Then I was beside Him, as a master workman......
Holman Christian Standard Bible
I was a skilled craftsman beside Him...........
International Standard Version
Then I was with him, his master craftsman........
NET Bible
then I was beside him as a master craftsman.........
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
I was fashioning with him.........
GOD'S WORD® Translation
I was beside him as a master craftsman......
New American Standard 1977
Then I was beside Him, as a master workman.....
King James 2000 Bible
Then I was by him, like a master workman.......
American Standard Version
Then I was by him, as a master workman.....
Douay-Rheims Bible
I was with him forming all things.....
Then I was by him, as a master workman......
World English Bible
then I was the craftsman by his side..........
Young's Literal Translation
Then I am near Him, a workman........
biblehub.com/proverbs/8-30.htm

King James Version
Heb 1:1,2God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
:2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son,[/blue] whom he hath appointed heir of all things, [color]by whom also he made the worlds;

King James Version
1Co 8:6But to us there is but one God, the Father, OF WHOM*(FROM WHOM)are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, BY WHOM(THROUGH WHOM) are all things, and we by him

It should be observed in heb 1:5b that a quotation is made from 2 sam 7:14 and applied to the Son of God. Although that text had its first application to Solomon, the later application of it to Jesus Christ does not mean that Solomon and Jesus ARE THE SAME.

Jehovah
Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Jesus
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Joh 5:22, 23For the Father judges no one at all, but he has entrusted all the judging to the Son,23so that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.

if you bow to the Son, you are inavently bowing to the father(god), cus it was the father that commanded it. and according to php 2:11 that you quoted , AlL is to the glory of who ? THE FATHER, THE ONLY TRUE GOD!, JEHOVAH!
jesus is not the same person as the father.

look at verse 9 of that same php chap 2

King James Version
Php 2:9Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

did God exalt himself? no
did God exalt someone else ? yes

King James Version
Ro 10:9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

did God raise hims elf? no
did God raise someone else? yes

who gave jesus the name everyone bows to ? The father, God, the only true god (php 2:9)

Jehovah
Deu 10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:

Jesus
Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Incidentally, see at Deut 17:14 God is referred to as a mighty God, and we know that God is also referred to as Almighty God, they are not two gods, a mighty god and an almighty God as false jw say.

did rev 17:14 call jesus God of God's? no
who is the God of gods ? jehovah
I wonder why the KJV removed the name of God in Deut 10:17

@bolded
King James Version
De 17:14When thou art come unto the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, and shalt possess it, and shalt dwell therein, and shalt say, I will set a king over me, like as all the nations that are about me;

Johnw74, the above shows you did not read the verse before posting it, you just did copy and paste and never studied what you where copying.

Jehovah
Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Jesus
Joh 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

if you had read the scriptures well you would have understood
[b]King James Version
Lu 1:31And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God SHALL GIVE unto him the throne of his father David:

Jesus Christ is the son of God and thus was given the throne of isreal. Nathaniel understood this, do you?

rev 22:13 is not referring to jesus.

to be continued......

solite3:
sincerely ur own ignorance is bliss.how can God be subject to God.keep misquoting scriptures.one thing that gladdens my heart is that u already agreed that Jesus has God's nature.u ve no excuse before God.

is jesus subjected to the father in heaven? yes or no.
IF no pls explain the scriptures he quoted to you, let's hear your understanding of those verses

solite3:
[font=Lucida Sans Unicode][/font] You Just said that Jesus is the same nature with God.ha author=dolphinheart post=45463090]
the disciples never prayed to become God

yes, the disciples never prayed to become God , neither did I say so. They prayed to have the same divine nature as jesus!

2 peter 1:4 New International Version
Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.
I once asked you what is divine nature, but you refuse to answer.

having divine nature does not make you God or a God, but it makes you have same nature as God!. despite having same nature as God, it does not mean you are equal to God!
two humans have the same human nature, but it does not mean that they have the same authority, power , intelligence, physical or mental attributes.

Jesus HAS same nature as God in heaven, that nature is divine, but it does not make jesus equal to God(who is the father, the almighty). The scriptures makes it clear several times that the father is the God of jesus!
King James Version
1Pe 1:3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

God is a spirit, Jesus is a spirit, the angels are spirits, likewise those disciples will be sprits when they enter heaven, for flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God !
jesus is a seperate person from the father, they both have the same nature, the father is God, so jesus can be said to have same nature as God , but it does not make jesus the father, therefore it does not make jesus God!

you can claim jesus is God cus jesus is called God, but jesus ,despite being called mighty God , still has a God superior to him, one who is called the almighty God, who is the most high!. This fact you refuse to acknowledge , cus anytime I ask you if jesus has a God that is superior to him at this moment, you refuse to answer!

yes christ divine nature in christians is the spirit of christ in them or the spiritual embodiment of christ in them.Does that mean they are now God? But christ by nature is God.

as at the time this speech was made, they already have the spirit of christ in them, therefore what they are hoping for is not the spirit of christ, but a transformation of their nature from a human nature to gods nature, from a slave to children of God, from a physical body to a spiritual body, and thus be like Christ!, this is the promise, their hope.


luke 22:29,30(New International Version)
And I confer on you a kingdom, just as my Father conferred one on me,

1 peter 1:3,4(New International Version)
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
(NLT SAYS: Now we live with great expectation)
4. and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you,

php 3: 20,21(New International Version)
But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ,
21. who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.
read 1Co 15:44-53
when your nature changes, it simply means your nature/form changes!,

yes we shall be like him cos he is already like us in perfect ways

funny, so they will be like jesus because jesus is already like them! wow!. now I see why you could not support this with scripture

well the scriptures tells us better sir
1 john 3:2 (New International Version)
Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.

1 cor 15:49( New International Version)
And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly man.

rom 8:29 (New International Version)
For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.

yes Jesus is God's image Exactly no difference. where does the theory of Almighty n mighty emanated from

good, an image is a representation of oneself, it's not oneself. your image is not you, it's your image!

let me use the scriptures to explain further
1 cor 15: 49 talks about bearing two images , the one they bear, and the one they will bear. The image they bear is of the earthly one , they bore the image of adam, a human , who had human form , had human nature.
gen 5:3 (New International Version)
When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth.
can you see that setH is the image of adam? does that mean that setH is adam? no!
does it mean that setH is equal to Adam? no!
does it mean that that setH is a human, with same nature with adam? yes!
apply that to jesus and you will understand better how jesus is the image of God .

now the verse continues to say they will bear the image of the heavenLy man, who is a spirit, with a different nature to adam. when they bear this image, does it mean they become God!? no!
therefore jesus having the image of God does not mean he is God, just as his disciples bearing the image of jesus does not mean they are jesus or become jesus!

[s what is this one saying, so nature does not determine servitude, can God be a servant? Is it possible? There are humans who choose not to serve God,that is called abandoning there purpose it is called sin same thing with angel.All things were created for God's pleasure n it is called service.

well, it depends on the understanding of what the term God means, but the scriptures had been irrevocably clear that Jesus who is a God is subjected to someone more superior to him.

acts 4:27,30(New International Version)
Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the Gentiles and the people of Israel in this city to conspire against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed.
Stretch out your hand to heal and perform signs and wonders through the name of your holy servant Jesus."

King James Version
1Co 15:28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

yes

God was never a man ? yes
jesus was a man? yes.
is jesus same person as the one who anointed him?no
who anointed jesus ? God!
is the one who anointed jesus the God of jesus? yes

brocab:
Now this is the last time I will write the scriptures for you, if you still don't understand what I have copied from the bible, then I advise you to crawl back under that rock from where you came from, and stay there, until Jesus returns.
I simply asked you a question and you answered it, not changing the topic, but making it more interesting-while you are writing' I have noticed you don't used your own bible in any of the verses you have laid out on this page, and yet the JW's swear your bible is 100% truth? And while You have claimed our bible doctrines are a pack of lies, you still prefer to use them to prove your point. And not your own bible?
New Would Translation bible {Hebrews 1:8-9} {This verse points it out clearly who God is speaking too, "but it shows the JW's had change one simple word that had changed man kind-drawing them further away from the truth}
New World Translation bible {V 8} But about His Son, He say's God is your throne, forever and ever, and the scepter of your kingdom is the scepter of uprightness.
King James bible {V 8} "But to the Son He says: "Your throne O God is forever and ever, a scepter of righteousness and a scepter of your Kingdom.
{It shows who made the switch, with the word, one bible had changed history, the New World Translation, had removed the truth away from the scriptures. While the King James and many other bibles that follow stands fern' who God is speaking too, "God had called His own Son God}
New World Translation bible {V 9} You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God had anointed you.
King James bible {V 9} "You have loved righteousness and you have hated lawlessness. Therefore GOD your God had anointed you with the oil of gladness more than your companions.
So it seems both bible"s have a slight difference between them. Enough to change the truth away from God's people.
New World Translation bible {Revelation 1:4-6} John to the seven congregation + that they are in the province of Asia: May you have undeserved kindness and the peace from "the One who is and who was and who is coming, + and from the seven spirits, + that are before His throne.
{And of course the JW's don't believe the One who is and who was and who is coming, is Jesus}
king James bible [Revelation 1:4-6} "John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before His throne.
New Would Translation bible {V 5} "And from Jesus Christ, "the faithful witness" + "the first born from the dead, + and the ruler of the Kings of the earth. " + To Him who loves us + and who set us free from our sins by means of his own blood. + -
King James bible {V 5} And from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the first born from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood.
New World Translation bible {V 6} And he {Jesus} made us to be a kingdom, + priest + to his God and Father-yes, to him be the glory and the might forever Amen.
King James bible {V 6} And {Jesus} had made us kings and priest to His God and Father, to him be glory and dominion forever and ever Amen.
New World Translation bible {Revelation 3:1-2,12} {Jesus speaks to the JW's and said} I know your deeds, that you have the name that you are alive, but you are dead, become watchful + and strengthen the things remaining that were ready to die, for I have not found your works fully performed before My God.
King James Bible {Revelation 3:1-2} {Jesus says} I know your works, that you have a name that you are a live, but you are dead, be watchful and strengthen the things which remain that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before God.

brocab, I believe you are educated, I strongly hope I not wrong. I believe you have the capacity to understand a request and answer it accordingly.

brocab, I didn't not ask you to examine different translations
I did not ask you to just qoute verses,
i did not ask you who the person who was talking was talking to, look at what I asked you well well.

brocab, pls QUOTE and EXPLAIN rev:1,4-6 , heb 1:9 And then tell us who is TALKING in rev 3:2,12.

SIMPLE REQUEST!

I know you, I know you will do anything possible so as not to quote those scriptures and show the world your views on those scriptures. you must have been cracking your brains on how you can explain those verses to make it look as if it surpports your doctrine, but you cannot. hence you decided not to quote and explain them!
you prefer to be jumping left and right. your latest attempt is to quote different translations but refusing to share your understanding of any!

brocab, if you dont want to quote and explain those scriptures,pls leave it!

as to the translation I use , I prefer to use mostimes on these thread the translation that you accept. I want to use your own translation as much as possible to show you that your doctrines are false!
I wunt use your translations in cases where it has deliberately on its own removed God's name, or where it does not fully expresses my views.
I once asked you why the kjv removed God's name in most places where it occured in the scriptures, but in your known usual way, you refused to answer!

tossen:
What about the new heavens? It is important to remember that in the ancient mind, “heavens” referred to the skies and outer space, as well as the realm in which God dwells. So, when Revelation 21:1 refers to the new heavens, it is likely indicating that the entire universe will be created—a new earth, new skies, a new outer space. It seems as if God's heaven will be recreated as well, to give everything in the universe a “fresh start,” whether physical or spiritual. Will we have access to the new heavens in eternity? Possibly, but we will have to wait to find out. May we all allow God’s Word to shape our understanding of heaven.

Cc Jessicha , dolphin heart and jozzy4.. Take ur answer

it seems? no it does not seems! God wunt destroy the present earth talk less of destroying outer space, talk less of destroying his abode!

tossen:
Let me put this to final rest. Why I disagreed with ur sister Jessicha. She was wrong while quoting her Bible talking about new heaven and new earth saying some people will be in heaven and some will be in earth. This heaven and earth will pass away and will be replaced with a new heaven and new earth. The righteous will not be separated. Or ranked. They will All be together. Not some on new earth, some on heaven. I didn't want to argue. But let me give my final piece on this thread I hope you will take your time to read.

Many people have a misconception of what heaven is truly like. Revelation chapters 21-22 gives us a detailed picture of the new heavens and the new earth. After the events of the end times, the current heavens and earth will be done away with and replaced by the new heavens and new earth. The eternal dwelling place of believers will be the new earth. The new earth is the “heaven” on which we will spend eternity. It is the new earth where the New Jerusalem, the heavenly city, will be located. It is on the new earth that the pearly gates and streets of gold will be.

Heaven—the new earth—is a physical place where we will dwell with glorified physical bodies (1 Corinthians 15:35-58). The concept that heaven is “in the clouds” is unbiblical. The concept that we will be “spirits floating around in heaven” is also unbiblical. The heaven that believers will experience will be a new and perfect planet on which we will dwell. The new earth will be free from sin, evil, sickness, suffering, and death. It will likely be similar to our current earth, or perhaps even a re-creation of our current earth, but without the curse of sin.

Cc jessicha , tempem

I wunt comment much, but how can old earth and old heaven pass away, in this case two difference places, and now be replaced by new earth and new heaven , but now they are one place or same place!

tossen:
The same way your Jessy mutilated my message and chose to hammer on the actual word I used instead of the message I was out to pass. Thereby completely changing the topic.

there is a very big difference.
you are trying to pass a message, you claim she attacked the words you used to pass your message.
There is no attack on my words here, but a reference to my words when i was talking about something else that is different from what the attacker is implying.

He made reference to two things
1. my use of different translations
2. My alleged non use of the NWT.

I seperated the two references and answered each accordingly, how can he now use my answer on the first issue, make it look like I posted it over the second issue which he replied me on.
He knew that my quote that he cut off was on the second issue, yet he quoted me on the first issue while attacking me on the second, also he removed my quote on the second issue in his reply. Can you see what he tried to do ?

tossen:
Pls I wasn't talking to u. Don't engage yourself in a futile discourse. preach the gospel don't tell ppl d type of heaven they r going. Don't confuse people. Such confusion incites more questions ur sister wasn't able to answer.

you claim she is not able to answer, and you refuse an answer from Me. OK no problem.

oluminnic:
@dolphinheart
Sorry about that. What i described was more like (a)

So in conclusion, we can say that jehovah, a person, sometimes and anytime can change/ adjust his character/personality to that of the son.
This is that:
it was jehovah, the person, that died when he was performing/acting/expressing himself in the personality of jesus

jesus is not a real person, but a character performed by jehovah

that Jesus and Jehovah are the same person or personalities of the same person

I'm I right with this statements above?

In the beginning, the son was there (during the creation) in the father, not as separate being; the same way the Levites paid tithe to Melchizedech in Abraham. In Genesis, only God and Holy Spirit were mentioned but John 1:1 showed that he was in the Father

with this above, you are reaffirming that jehovah was not talking to a seperate being/ person, but he was talking to a separate personality of himself, which was inside him.

Is Jehovah a person? YES

Saying is the son a character used by the father will not be appropriate cos I only used it as an analogy, just for understanding sake

So are you using an inappropriate analogy to teach me the trinity?

solite3:
The aim of this thread is state clearly Our Lord Jesus is God. Among the myriad of verses declaring this truth I will pick John. Yes John the beloved John 1:1 in the beginning (before time began or before anything was created) was the word(the word was already in existence) and the word was with God(this does not only denote his presence with God but his existence with God from eternity and also mean the word was actively toward God) and the word was God(the word was in essence God)
Vs 2 The same was in the beginning with God(it means that the word was both God and with God at the same time,there was no progress no change,not like he was in existence n then he became God n was later with God).

sir, who is the God that the word was with?
how can he be with God and still be that same God ?
" in the beginning was the word", does God has a beginning?

solite3:
Man n woman are the same nature.man is not more human man than woman neither is woman more human than man. Christ is God

yes, they have the same human nature, but they are not the same human, one is a male human with distinguishable physical, mental , phycological attitude that is different from the other which is called female!

they have the same human nature, but in a god approved union, when they become one, one of the human with human nature is the head of the other, yet they both have the same nature, just like God is the head of christ!

EVERY ONE CAN NOW AGREE TO THE FOLLOWING
1. there are certain scriptures posted to johnw74 that he cant/refuse to respond to. He can claim that those scriptures had been repeated several times, but not once has he quoted and given his own view on those scriptures.
2. He has not been able to provide proof that the scriptures he quoted are not from currupted verses.
3. He has not been able to disprove facts shown to him by scholars about the currupted verses he quoted
4. He had not been able to show why older manuscripts e.g the dead sea schrolls(which had been kept hidden from his for Father's do not have some of the currupt ed verses.

johnw74:
same thing again and again, false jw thinks he can show that the Bible verses of Jesus Christ being God are not true
he has failed miserably and will continue to fail
he posts other verses that he thinks do that, but they don't as i have already shown
false jw does not understand the verses he posts, not one has shown that Jesus Christ is not God

if not all, nearly all of the verses you posted to me have been explained to you, I did not cut any part of your post off, neither did I remove any scriptures you quoted when responding.
It is you that refuses to respond again when I explain the scriptures you quoted to you, expecially when I ask questions relating to that verse that you can't answer

just look at the verses showing that Jesus is God that Jesus is Jehovah, they cannot be disputed
except by more rejection and twisting of the scriptures by non believers

post five of those verses, and I'll explain to you , then I'll post five and we will see if you can quote and explain them.
This is another Challenge to you to proof you are not a false doctrine propagator.
If the verses you quoted does not correspond to other translations or to the entire scriptures, of if it's currupt ed, I'll point it out to you, and we will see if you can do same to mine.
I'll almonize what the scriptures is really saying by using the scriptures you quoted and the one ill quote.

false jw thinks he can post scriptures against scriptures, he needs to understand those scriptures

take up my request above. or should I start first?

tossen:
Dear Jessicha... This is why people reject your teachings. U just demonstrated it. I spoke on what I understood. You said I was wrong. Willing to learn... I asked u to enlighten me about it then u said it isn't what I should be concerned about but God. Why bring it up in The first place? Only God knows. All you did was ensure we wouldn't move forward from that point then u said truth is bitter as if I was hurt whereas I was willing to learn from u. God help ur ministry.

U didn't give me a scripture that negates my view. U built up on my view.

there is a slight difference in your understandings
you believe everyone goes to heaven, but the part of heaven they go to is decided by God.
*pls cotrect me if I'm wrong

Jessicha believs that it is not everyone that goes to heaven, that some will be here on earth, ant that who goes where will be decided by God.

The difference now is not in who decides , but in where everybody goes to.

does everyone go to heaven?(everyone here denote those you feel gained the approval of God to go to heaven), the answer is no , for the scriptures say that some will be here on earth.

brocab:
Then if your bible don't justify the truth about Christ, then you can't explain anything concerning {Revelation 1:7-8. Revelation 1:1-6, or Hebrews 1:9}
Is this why the JW's don't use the New World Translation bible, because it doesn't line up with the word of God.
And if your bible don't hold the truth about Christ, then why are you believing in a doctrine that's under these circumstances?

you are a very funny person , you cut part of my post off, and presented the part that has nothing to do with your reply.
well, I count this as an attempt to change the topic,
brocab, pls quote and explain rev:1,4-6 , heb 1:9 And then tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.

solite3:
first of all everything is wrong with u agueing God's word secondly it not my assertion that Jesus is the most high it is in the bible even dolphineheart agreed Jesus had God's nature.u re not Elihu.Elihu had d spirit of God which u do not av.

solite3 , stop lying against me!
If you can't provide proof of what I said, stop lying!
an example: I have the same nature as my father
I have the same human nature as my father

I have the form of a human
my father has the form of a human
we both have the same human form

my father has his own human form
I have my own human form

solite3:
thank God u agreed that Jesus have one nature.

continous lie against me will not make your lies turn to truth. I've asked you to show where I said you should where I said Jesus had one nature with God , you could not!
I've accused you of making false accusations without proof ,now I'm using this post to reaffirm my believe that you solite3 is very good at making false accusation without proof.
you use those false accusation as an excuse not to respond to certain questions and issues
For example, you claim jesus is still a man in heaven, and you said Jesus had a god cus he was a man. now you are being asked if jesus still has a God since he is a man in heaven?

*readers should note if he will answer the question above

you claimed jesus broke his body but only sacrificed his blood, I should you scriptures that explained that Jesus gave both his body and blood, you could only cancel it,refusing to respond to it.

u don't know what u re saying.u said nature does not determine servitude that is only for created things u got it.
The bolded part is falsely added to my statement, why?
you should have quoted me(where I said those words), but because it wunt allow you add words to my statement, or if you add it, it will glaringly evident, you decided not to quote.

[quote]God is not a servant by nature but angels are.that is while those angels that left their first estate are in chains.may God forgive u.

is Satan a servant of God now?
who is the God of this system of things.
* a question I've asked before but you refuse to answer
what is divine nature, and what is form of god ?

solite3:
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pls correct the post so I can reply you

brocab:
You can't explain yourself without writing the same scripture over and over from different bibles?

I do so so that you and solite3 will have a better understanding of what the scriptures is saying!

Does this mean-you don't understand the scriptures yourself, you need to justify what each scripture is telling you, I also see you don't like using your own bible the New World Translation, could I ask you why? Or is it too much to ask?[/color]
sir mostimes, I give an explanation alongside the scriptures I quoted
I did not use the NWT is different from I do not like to use the NWT. I use any translation as long as I feel it's translation of that verse is right!

[quote]Does this mean your bible doesn't hold any truth like the rest of the bibles do, and you yourself is afraid to read it from the New World Translation, because you can't justify the truth about Christ.

no sir!

solite3:
everyone can see your falsehood.dolphineheart u already said it Jesus and his father have one,

WHERE DID I SAY THAT! IF YOU CANT SHOW ME, PLS PLS PLS, STOP LYING AGAINST ME!
even your saying jesus and the father are one does not mean they are the same person !

when has reputation( position)become nature or are u saying that Jehovah is God only by position? U are raving?

solite3 the verses said "HIMSELF" , the verse did not say his reputation!

johnw74:
^^^
You give other persons opinions of some scriptures that agree with your false doctrine
and you say that's proof

with your many words you think you are right
the truth doesn't take many words, like:

"Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever"

a sensible person who believes he/she knows the truth and has proof will show my proofs as false, then provide his or her own proofs.
1. those people are not talking about what the verse meant, they are talking, with facts to show, what the verse said!
2. those people have been able to prove with facts that there where additions to the scriptures which where not there before
3. those people where AbLe to prove that certain people deliberately altered the words of the scriptures by putting a line where is was not originaly In, using an ink different from the one used in writing that manuscript.
4. those people have been able to prove that older manuscripts more reliable manuscripts do not have the altered words in those verses. how can an earlier copy not have a word and the word is now found in later copies of the same earliar copy.

5. I always thank god, who through his infinite wisdom has kept the older manuscripts , e.g the dead sea scroll from the hands of your for father's, if not they would have altered the words in those scrolls too. but as the scrolls where found during a time they could not make those alterations on it, it exposed their earlier works. It shows that the kjv translated the bible from a manuscript that had been currupt ed by YOUR FOR FATHERS!

you go to great lengths to try and show that many bible verses are not true
and you change them to suit false jw satanic doctrine that the Word is not God.

i quoted several verses to you, if you feel my quotes are not true. pls quote the correct verse of the verses I quoted and explain them, also surpport the version you feel are correct with proofs.

you mean you want everyone to believe that
you post all the verses you want and I will explain them to you as i have done
but when you add your false interpretations to them, I probably will not waste time responding as i have told you many times
but you love to lie

they already know you dnt respond to certain scriptures, you dnt quote and/or explain some of the scriptures I quote to you. even when you claim I made a wrong explanation of that scripture, you dnt give your own counter explanation of that scripture

to show the world that you dnt do as said above, I'll post there scriptures from the kjv now, people will now notice if you will quote those scriptures and explain what the scripture says.

King James Version
Eph 1:3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

King James Version
1Co 11:3But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

King James Version
Joh 20:17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

oluminnic:
Elohim is a hebrew word, it means mighty ones
Romans: 1. 20. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: - Bible Offline
So if I use stage drama to explain trinity just for the sake of understanding, it is not out of place

sir I never said using stage is out of place. I gave you two examples in which one can use stage drama to describe jehovah, you have not selected one of them or provide another example. neither have you answered my question, is Jehovah a person?

If you agree that a man can make something with his son then it shouldnt be difficult for you to believe that the Son (Word) was there when God created the world
Proverbs: 8. 22. The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. 23. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. 24. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. 25. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: 26. While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. 27. When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: 28. When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: 29. When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth: 30. Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; - Bible Offline

it's not difficult, in fact I agree that the son was there when the statement "let us" was made. but the issue is : what was the son there as, was he there as a character of the being jehovah or was he a seperate being that the being jehovah was talking to .

The scripture above established that Wisdom (the Son) was with the Father (God) before the creation of the wordJohn: 1. 10. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. - Bible Offline

good sir, is the son a character used by jehovah or the son is a seperate being that jehovah was talking to .

brocab:
The problem is' with your many demands, you are starting to sound like a broken record, we believers have explained these verses to you over and over, and still you are finding it hard to comprehend them, your mental state of mind won't allow you to recognize the word of God, as its written.
Which makes life difficult for you when the truth is staring right at you.
Before we start our study-you need to remove this blindness you carry from your eye's, before we begin.

brocab, not we believers ,should quote and explain rev 1:1,4-6, and heb 1:9. also tell us who is talking in rev 3: 2,12. do this and I'll tell you about rev 1:7,8.
you ar e afraid to quote those scriptures cus you know it exposes your doctrines as false

solite3:
christ did not put off his God nature,where did u get that one from.

Haba! do you not read the scriptures?
phil 2:7
New International Version
rather, he made himself NOTHING by taking the very nature of a servant, being MADE in human likeness.

New Living Translation
Instead, he GAVE UP his DIVINE PRIVILEDGES.....

English Standard Version
but EMPTIED HIMSELF.......

New American Standard Bible
but EMPTIED HIMSELF.......

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Instead He emptied Himself by assuming the form of a slave.....
International Standard Version

Instead, POURED OUT IN EMPTYNESS.....
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
But he STRIPPED HIMSELF.....

How can you now claim that Jesus came to earth with the same nature that he emptied, stripped, gave up!

God nature and divine nature(supernatural nature)are not d same.

pls tell us, using the scriptures , what is God nature and what is divine nature. remember the apostles day they will be like jesus!

are u saying christ did not resurrect,that God lied ?

no, never said so . Christ was resurrected , but his resurrection was different from previous resurrections.

Christ only said that his body will be[b][/b]broken n his blood poured out.christ only resurrected with flesh and bones.Go n get a real bible(KJV) and start reading.may God forgive you.

Lets check the bible out
King James Version
Lu 22:19And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is GIVEN for you: this do in remembrance of me.

New International Version
And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me."

King James Version
1Co 10:16The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

New Living Translation
When we bless the cup at the Lord's Table, aren't we sharing in the blood of Christ? And when we break the bread, aren't we sharing in the body of Christ?

now solite3, did Jesus say he is going to give his body or not!

solite3:
[s][/s]

you have now resorted to lying against me to cover your false doctrines up. I showed you again what I said, even adding scriptures that surpport my views, but you think cancelling it is the best way to counter it.
You say Jesus is still a man in heaven, you also say Jesus has a God when he was a man.
NOW DOES JESUS STILL HAVE A GOD IN HEAVEN?

johnw74:
more of the to be expected dribble false jw talks, a lot of confusion and twisting of scriptures to try and show that it is Father talking to John

Christians not having false doctrines to pander to, say it as it is
it is Jesus through His angel who speaks to John

and yet you can't counter any of the scriptures I quoted, you can give counter explanations to any of the scriptures I quoted.
you cant even quote them to give you own explanation.

I quoted rev 1:1 to you, emphasis was on a part of it which I wanted you to explain, you have seen that giving an explanation on that statement will expose your doctrines, thus in your reply to me, you refuse to mention it. It's typical of you, it's your way of avoiding the truth.

rev 1:1 New International Version
The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,

johnw74, who gave jesus the Revelation?

It is Jesus who said "I am the alpha and Omega", Jesus is the one who was pierced
dolphin says it is the Father speaking

dolphin says if Jesus has a god then He is not the Almighty God
he thinks there are two gods almighty god (the father) and mighty god (the son)

if you have issues with dolphin, go clear it up with him or her, stop linking what dolphin said to what dolphinheart never said, dolphinheart had never said the bolded above

the terms mighty God and Almighty God are referring to the one true God


No I never deliberately left out rev 1:4-6 but the false accuser never stops

and yet you still , right here in this post , refuse to quote and explain rev 1:4-6. but you will claim you never left that part of the question out.

John sent greetings to the seven churches in asia from the Father and the Son, it is not the Father speaking
it is John

QUOTE THE VERSES AND EXPLAIN SO WE CAN EXPOSE YOUR FALSE DOCTRINE, STOP THIS DRIBLING!!!

a couple of verses down it is Jesus speaking, "Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

before you rush to a couple of verses down, quote and explain the couple of verses up first!

Notice John calls him the Almighty

The one speaking is the one who was pierced, previous verse
earlier John sent greetings from Father and son
Jesus now comes as God not as man, that's why He is speaking as God

you won't, and couldn't understand that

or anything of the Truth for that matter.

sir, quote and explain reV 1:1,4-6, heb 1:9, tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12

DO NOT CUT THE REQUEST
DO NOT SELECT WHICH REQUEST TO ETERTAIN
DO NOT SPLIT THE ANSWERS TO THE REQUEST INTO SEVERAL POST.

On a single post of yours johnw74, pls attend to the request.

brocab:
Of course you would find the story about Jesus hard to understand, only because you JW's believe Michael came to earth as an angel, and God changed Michael into a man calling himself Jesus, who later died, and returning himself back into the archangel, and flew up into heaven, to sit at God's right side.
Now this story is too far fetched, plus it isn't scriptural, Someone would have to be on drugs {Brainwashed} to believe something like this.
Pls tells where did they bury the Christ? And who was seen for 40 days after He had risen? Was Jesus in the flesh or did His disciples see him in Spirit?
What your problem is' you are to caught up with your fairy tales Watchtower magazines, cartoon people living with the animals on earth, while your elders live with God in heaven, you call the 144000 tribes of Israel' Jehovah Witnesses.
No wonder you can't believe in the bible stories about Christ.
Stories such are these can only be found in the Watchtower Magazines none of them are even written in your own New World Translation bible.
I could find a much better story from a Superman comic book, then read something that doesn't make any sense.
The scriptures have repeated themselves over and over who Christ is, and still you refuse to believe them.

to answer the question, you no gree do. to quote the scriptures , you no gree do, all you do is to change the topic all the time. We are talking about if jesus is still a man in heaven, that question you refuse to answer or respond to .
You claim I find the story of jesus hard to understand, yet you refuse to answer questions about Jesus.

haha, so Christ is still a servant! , he did not regain his divine nature.? brocab, answer that!
your statement surpports the fact that in heaven, Christ still has a God !, brocab respond to that.

you are arguably telling us that Jesus did not present any body as a ransom for us, he collected his human body back after three days?, ie this true brocab?

Sir read the bible well well, flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God!, brocab , did Jesus go to heaven with flesh and blood?

an extra question for you, why did Mary not recognise jesus when he was resurrected ?

brocab:
The word of God isn't known to you, everytime someone had explained {Revelation 1:1,4-6. Hebrews 1:9. and Revelation 3:2,12} to you, you still don't understand any of it. {Revelation 1:7-8} would be to difficult for you to explain what any of these scriptures had said, so I am wasting my time asking you to explain these scriptures, only because the bottom line is' you don't know how to explain them.
Already you had mentioned on this page, who is, and who was, and who is to come, is not Jesus.
You speak of another Jesus, a Jehovah witness Jesus. One you call a little god.

brocab , quote and explain rev 1:1,4-6, and heb 1:9. also tell us who is talking in rev 3: 2,12. do this and I'll tell you about rev 1:7,8.
you ar e afraid to quote those scriptures cus you know it exposes your doctrine as false!