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solite3:
this should help you read Hebrews 1. angels are servants Christ is d Son.vs 6 ask u a question can u ans it. OK vs 8 ans ur qust who he is, do notice it agrees with John 1.1. I don't wanna start wit u pls. get a kjv kneel down n ask God to show u d truth.let me tell u God is real Jesus is real n the holy Spirit is real.

keep it up, your character will be exposed more and more. You are picking verses up and down, but your eyes shut down its services to the ones you where asked to share your understanding on. You only see what you want to see, when the truth is being shown to you, you will not see it!. Some certain verses are being posted to you, you where asked to tell us what you understand by what is written in those verses, because such explanation will expose you as a liar, you refused to even quote them, talk less of explaining them.

"I dnt want to start with you"? Sir you can't start anything! you failed woefully when asked to explain scriptures. you failed woefully when asked to give prove of your allegations. you are not only a liar, you also try to build yourself up by laying false accusations on others.

You that have the kjv cannot even quote the scriptures I asked you to give explanation on. You keep on telling others to pray for the truth while you are running away from it.

solite3, tell us your understanding of the following scriptures, rev 1:1,4-6, Heb 1:9. tell us who you think is talking in rev3:2,12

solite3:
why no verse in the new testament which name did d apostle used in teaching, in healing which name did they used in performing miracles in baptism which name? Do u know d Lord's prayer? that would av been a good way for Jesus to mention his father's name rather he said our Father. Acts4:12,18 Neither is there salvation in any other:for there is no other name under heaven given among[b][/b]men, whereby we must be saved.18 And they called them, and commanded them not to [b][/b]speak at all nor tech in the name of Jesus. U c u are not d first to oppose that sweet name whether u like it or not u must bow to that name either willingly or by force.my friend come to Jesus u guys av been trying so hard bt d more u try d more its waxing stronger. It is not logic its power of God

What on earth are you saying sef!, no be by force you must comment o!

go and read the title of the thread well well ok!

hahn:
Ironic

yep

ifenes:
There is no shred of evidence that the Jews were in bondage in Ancient Egypt. If there is one civilisation with historical accuracy, it is Egypt. You are entitled to your belief. But your believe lack any form of historical evidence.

actually, my beliefs is not based on historical evidence. Most historical evidence mostimes are being written in favour of those in authority, who will want to record that it's army was wiped out by former slaves.

Molake94:
Do You guys believe in Jesus as God or as a prophet or as what

depends on your definition of what those terms(God and prophet) mean.

tunnypop:
In God I believe. Check john 1;1, 10
1. In the beginning was the word and the. word was with God, and the word was God.

10. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

Just like you can not separate the words coming out of you from you. Jesus is the word of God that was spoken and referred to. If you understand the trinity, then my point should be clear here.

John 10:30 says
"I and my father are one"

Lets assume that I cannot seperate the words coming out from me from me, can I control my words? yes, can my words control me?no.
The bible is called the word of God, is the bible God?

"I and the father are one", whose wOrd was heard there?, the words word or gods word?

in essence you are claiming that "the word" has no personality of his own, just like the fact that I can determine my words.

" the father is greater than I am" said the word, pls explain this in line with trinity.

UncleSnr:
The Jews are currently celebrating Passover now, while the Christians have celebrated Easter a long time ago.

Jesus died on the eve to Passover as recorded In John 19:14.

So Christians why the discrepancy in dates?

easter date has nothing to do with the bible or passover, except the Friday and Sunday issues, and this are not actually calender dates.

The christians who initiated easter wanted to solidify their calender with their own celebrations, therefore relying on the Jewish calender was not an option. first they tried to destroy the method the Jews used in calculating their calender, they then forced the new calender down everybody's throught, before formulating a celebration, devoid of old Jewish calculations but filled with pagan ones.

ifenes:
Passover is the celebration of the Spring Equanox. The Jews wait till it is evidence the weather is in Spring, which leads to Summer. It is an Astrological event,like the Christians/ Catholic celebrate Christmas( death of the Sun).

In Ancient Africa, the people worship the moon, in Europe it is the Sun..... Sun of god

wrong, passover was celebrated as a reminder of the events that led to the isrealites leaving bondage in Egypt. The season or sun's movement does not decide the celebration, but rather decide the date the celebration will be held, cus the season, sun and moon movement decides how the Jewish calender will be calculated. After calculation, the passover was held on the 14th day of the month of Nissan.

Christmas and easter are celebration adopted from pagan worshipers by some so called christians, it has no correlation to the teachings of their holy book. 99.9% of what goes on during that celebration has a link with pagan practices during the time it was adopted.

Jozzy4:
can you now answer me: do u admit Jesus Have a God ?

been asking that same questions for ages, hope you get an answer.

imagine saying jesus quoted the old testament does not mean jesus mentioned the name of the father. They felt jesus was lying to God when he said " I have made your name known".

Jozzy4:
@ bold , do u mean comedian phony ?

mostimes comedian phony will rather just show you he is a comedian to try and shift the issue once he knows he can't answer it, there is someone else on this thread who will prefer to lie his way out when he is being shown scripture verses, even if you use a translation he agress with.

solite3:
Hmm so u re seeking my interpretation of scriptures forgetting that no scripture is of any private interpretation .May God forgive you. Son of man Jesus is calling you.BTW u re not afraid of God at ol.Do u tink d bible is a book u can twist calling God old sorts of name. Jesus is ur creator therefore he is ur God d earlier u no did d beta for u [code][/code]

solite3, everyone can see that you know nothing, na just mouth mouth you get. The bad part is that you are now using it to say wrong things about others without offering any solution. you cant even prove their words wrong, but you are dedicated to badmouth them.

you posted on this thread as if you know something, some verses where posted to you to share your understanding of it and you faltered badly.
I did not ask you to interprete, I asked for your understanding of those scriptures, hope you have not joined your fellow liar who resort to lies so as to escape sharing their knowledge on certain scriptures.

If you think scripture is not for any private interpretation, quote rev 1: 1,4-6, Heb 1:9, and rev 3:2,12, then add any other scripture you see fit to surpport it for better explanation.

when you can't tell the truth, you will be looking for excuse, I simply asked you to tell us who is talking in a particular verse, you are now talking about private interpretation, pls make your interpretation public and give us an answer , ye who understands the bible and others dnt!

modified: when you accuse someone of something, it is neccessary to add prove so that you are not accused of making false allegation, so pls for you not to add false accuser to your growing titles, pls tell me where I twisted the scriptures and which scripture I twisted!

solite3:
[s][/s] the bible is quite clear about who Jesus is. It is you that is struggling to believe it.

the bible is quite clear on who Jesus is right! good, very good!
I'm struggling to believe it abi? no problem

you that know the bible, that is not struggling to believe who Jesus is , can you pls pls pls tell us what you understand in the scriptures of rev 1:1,4-6 and heb 1:9?
can you tell the whole world who you think is talking in rev 3:2,12

if you can't do so, then its easy for people to know who is struggling to accept who Jesus is!

analice107:
Listen Dolphinheart, it's a total waste of time having a discussion with you when you have your Watchtower Blinders on. You see what watchtower has programmed you to see. Why waste my time on you. When we die, we shall find out. If there's no hellfire, I will have nothing to lose, but if there is, which am certain there's, then sorry for you.
Jesus kept talking about hellfire, but you turn around and call it something else. Pls go on.

Haba!, what does hell fire have to do with who God was talking to when he said " let us"
is it the Watchtower that removed the quotes you quoted from most translations?
you made a statement about " gods image", I told you that you never asked me that question, a good christian will either prove me wrong or acknowledge the mistake, you have done non of that!

its better you discuss your views than to hide it under your views of the Watchtower. you did not even try to prove me wrong, how then can I believe you if when your views are put to question, all you say is "when we die, we shall find out".

maybe your views about discussion is that everyone in it must believe in the same thing for a discussion to start, or that after the discussion, everyone must agree to the same thing.

You have a right not to discuss with me, but your reasons are based on personal views and not on the scriptures. maybe you can't explain the issue of the omitted quote I brought up.

goodnews201668:
How do you manage to understand what he is saying? His story is not always coordinated.

that's how he types, he does not try to arrange his points in an orderly manner. One has to read his posts at least 3 times to understand what he is trying to say, and even after that , you might not understand him. The color seperation only makes it worse.

solite3:
I av been following d comments of these jws n it seems dey don't knw d implications of calling Jesus a god.may God forgive dem

maybe you that knows the implication can explain what you understand by what's recorded in revelation 1:1, 4-6
and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.

finally can you tell us what you think about heb 1:9

if you can't explain these verses, then its you that needs forgiveness.

analice107:
Which of my quote couldn't you find?

first, I did not say I could not find your quote, I said I could not find your quote in moSt of the translations I checked.

below is your quote of 1 john 5:7, the bolded part is what was not added to most translations

"So there are three witnesses in heaven: the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit, and these three are One;

After research, I also gave you the reason it can't be found in those translations, it's not part of what apostle John wrote down. There we need to discuss it's authenticity firSt.

I was the one who asked you about God's image. You want to turn it around.

sorry analice, you did not ask me about God's image, if I'm wrong, pls prove me wrong.

I posted 1st John, you left it and went to Proverbs, and job?

I did not leave it, I pointed to you the fact that John 1:1 was not pointing to the time when God said "let us", the event of John 1:1 points to a time long before "let us". I posted job and proverbs, to let you know those who where in existence when God said " let us", and who God was specifically talking to at that moment. you talked about angels, and I showed you that angels where in existence before the creation of the world.

analice107:
Then who are the "US"?
because, 1 John 5:7 says; So there are three witnesses in heaven: the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit, and these three are One;
And;
John 1:1 In the beginning [before all time] was the Word (Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself.

So, who are the 'Us' because according John Chapter 1, Angels weren't part of creation.

1. you did not give us an explanation on " the image of God"

2: who are the "us":
proverbs 8:30English Standard Version
then I was beside him, like a master workman, and I was daily his delight, rejoicing before him always,[/b]

the "him" and "master workman" are the "us".

3. 1 john 5:7:

I checked numerous translations and did not find those words you quoted in most of them. I concluded that this ommission is not about translation or meaning of a sentence, cus a large part of your quote cannot be found in those translations.
decided to dig deeper on 1: John 5: 7 and Wikipedia has these to say about the verse(note: I checked other info too.

[b]The Comma Johanneum (or Johannine Comma or Heavenly Witnesses) is a comma (a short clause) in the First Epistle of John, 1 John 5:7–8 . The scholarly consensus is that that passage is a Latin corruption that entered the Greek manuscript tradition in subsequent copies.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_Johanneum

so for us to discuss that verse, we must first adress the view that the words you quoted are not part of what John originally wrote down.

4. John 1:1
we could go on and on on what the verse really said, but if we examine your views on that verse , you explanations will contradict your views.
The discussion is about the statement God made at the time he wanted to create man, man was not created at the beginning of anything!, therefore comparing when angels existed to when man existed and linking it up with John 1:1 is wrong process.
John 1:1 was before the angels and men, so who was in existence when God made the statement "let us"

5. where the angels in existence when God said "let us", the answer is yes!
man was not created until the world was created, but the angels where present during the creation of the world.
job 38: 4-7(NIV)
4 “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?
Tell me, if you understand.
5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?
6 On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone—
7 while the morning stars sang together
and all the angels a shouted for joy?

uboma:
I like these.
Please tell us more.
I have also wondered the essence of speaking in tongues when no one understands what is being said...

King James Version
1Co 14:11Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.

1 cor 14: 13-19 (ESV)
13 Therefore, one who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret.
14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful. 15 What am I to do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will pray with my mind also; I will sing praise with my spirit, but I will sing with my mind also.
16 Otherwise, if you give thanks with your spirit, how can anyone in the position of an outsider say “Amen” to your thanksgiving when he does not know what you are saying?
17 For you may be giving thanks well enough, but the other person is not being built up.
18 I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. 19 Nevertheless, in church I would rather speak five words with my mind in order to instruct others, than ten thousand words in a tongue.

Florblu:
I just answered that question bro I never said that

ok, though I never said you said it.

1 cor 14: 22-28,33

22 Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is not for unbelievers but for believers.
23 So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and inquirers or unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind? 24 But if an unbeliever or an inquirer comes in while everyone is prophesying, they are convicted of sin and are brought under judgment by all,
25 as the secrets of their hearts are laid bare. So they will fall down and worship God, exclaiming, “God is really among you!”
26 What then shall we say, brothers and sisters? When you come together, each of you has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. Everything must be done so that the church may be built up.
27 If anyone speaks in a tongue, two—or at the most three—should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret.
28 If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and to God.
33 For God is not a God of disorder but of peace—as in all the congregations of the Lord’s people.

Florblu:
No pls
I only said speaking in tongue is speaking directly to God 1cor 14:2 says " For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God. Tongue is an intimate and direct line of communication with God

are you saying that without speaking in tongues, one cannot pray directly to God?

analice107:
I can't remember saying you quoted from the Watchtower. Am still saying that, no matter how glaring the truth is, you don't accept it because WATCHTOWER says contrary. You chose to believe WHAT WATCHTOWER says as opposed to the Bible.
Your head is inside the Watchtower organisation. You see the Bible through its eyes.
@Dolphineheart. Am very certain you have been reading my post to your brothers and yours too. Why haven't you treated the Bible passages I have posted? How long shall we keep doing this?
Let's pause and treat the ones that are posted already. Am tired with JW evading scriptures yet labelling their opponents.

analice, if you have posted a bible verse to me , we would probably have treated it together, mostimes, if the scripture you posted is to someone else, I normally(though not in all cases) give time for that person to respond.
now is there a scripture you want us to discuss about?

as to the watchtower issue, I see it as a distraction, you need to extablish your views as truth before claiming it's the truth, these we are examining on these thread. so can you now there clear the air on your views of Abels blood crying from the ground?
is it literal ?

Secondly, if you feel my understanding of the scriptures I quoted are wrong, cus I based it on the Watchtower, can you kindly state those scriptures and give your own understanding of it?

analice107:
Unlock your dada maybe you can have space in your head to reason.
When man fell, he automatically picked up Satan's nature. Anyone with that nature is an enemy to God, and God has prepared a place to put those who hate him at the end of ages.
Just keep living your life in rebellion and die in it, at resurrection, you will stand before him, if your name is not found written in the book of life, YOU WILL BE CAST TO HELLFIRE WITH SATAN WHOSE NATURE YOU SHARE.
Hello, stay off my mention. Your reasoning is warped.

@ bold, the man did not chose to be born with that nature, he saw himself in that nature , do you think it is now right for that man to be burnt for eternity for failing to get out of that nature?, a nature he was not giving a choice to choose? its like telling me to run 200m while the time limit is for 100m race, cus I'm already far behind in the starting line with lots of huddles set in the way.

analice107:
Maybe it's me as you said, but you said if God will take the pain away from the woman, why should she worry? You didn't make any mention of what God should to the criminal. Or did you and I missed it?

no, I was just focusing on the woman, but still, you are not supposed to conclude for me.

You dolphinheart are clever or you think you are. Now you have added the angle of repentance. Why didn't you include it in your first post so that we could treat it together?

I did not add the angle of repentance, just created a new outcome. let's say they are two different men, one repenting and one not. do you forgive the one who repents and refuse to forgive the one who does not?
how does forgiving or not forgiving affect your pain, how does forgiving or not forgiving affect the outcome of the criminals punishment?

Listen, just like it doesn't take a criminal to kill twice before he is termed as a killer, so also it doesn't take him a lifetime to repent of his crimes.

ok

My forgiving the criminal is something I must do, because he who says to a criminal "Thou shall not kill", also said to me "If you forgive not men their trespasses, your father who is in heaven will not forgive you your own trespasses". But this matter is not about me. Whether I forgive him or not, if he doesn't repent and dies in that state, he will stand judgement if found guilty by reason of his resisting the free gift of Christ' nature which would have empowered him to live right. Every guilty person gets sentenced.

I'm just trying to merge you, who being in the image of God is ready to forgive and forget the atrocities of that man, despite he repenting or not, how much more will a more perfect God now see it as good the prospect of tuturING that man with fire for billions and billions of years.

Wait... What do you consider to be fair punishment justifiable enough for a man who is found without the nature of Christ?

first, I do not understand what you mean by nature of Christ.
now to the question, man, apart from adam , was born imperfect, he was born with error, he was born imperfect!. coupled with these is the fact that he was born in a society or system ruled by Satan. It is from this very negative position that man must strive to please God. sin rule as King in us and we strive to do gods will despite this state. It is our effort to do this that will determine if we will be giving the gift of evalasting life or not.
those who do not strive to do this will simply lose that opportunity, they will lose their life for eternity. This serves as a punishment fitting enough for those who deliberately refuse to do God's will.
like I said earlier, man is created, and if man refuses to do the will of his Creator, he can simply be uncreated to serve as a punishment for him, and those who strive to do gods will can be giving evalasting life.

If you, being in the image of God can forgive , it does not take God anything to uncreate that man who sins, it's still punishment for that one as these time around, it is imposible for such person to lIve again. He is thus non existent, a good punishment for those who refuse to serve God.
It s does or should not affect your joy, your service to God or your spirituality if God burns or does not burn someone, their outcome does not determine yours. "vengeance is mine" God said, not Tuture is mine.

You Know What? If we will not treat man's responsibility in this whole matter, then am done talking to you. All you see is hellfire, you refuse to see its a choice they make.

choice? to burn for eternity ? I dnt think so. You can choose to serve God or not, but the outcome of your choice should not be the main determinant, as in what determines your choice. man is partially responding for the outcome of his choice, it is the outcome of a wrong choice we are discussing about, not if man will be held responsible for his choice.

I don't get it at all. It's wrong for men to burn, but you don't see anything wrong with man's rebellion.

in fact, I dnt see anything wrong in punishment, I just see something wrong in punishment by tuture with no hope of repentance or the tuturING ever ending, a loving parent will not do that to his or her wayward child, neither will a God of love.
I do see something wrong with man's rebellion, but just like previous rebellion, they will be destroyed, not burnt and kept in pain for billions of years!.

look at this scenario , a young man in sodom, wad killed by divine judgement, he would have continued living and thus had a chance for repentance, this divine judgement cut that off, he was now sent into fire for thousands of years , before being judged and sent back into fire for billions and billions of years, must because his imperfect state failed to repent. my God does not purnish people like that. If you dnt deserve to live, then you wunt live, you will not exist again.

You don't see anything wrong with the fact that they reject the road that leads away from hellfire.

What of some who lived and did not know their is a road that leads away from hell?

And I keep saying, it's not basically the theft or murder on themselves that leads men there but the satanic nature in them which propels them to commit those cries. So long as that nature is in them they are enemies to God, and God made hell for his enemies.
Why have you people not mention that nature even for once? Are you people advocating for Satan?
Am done with you sir.

a satanic nature that has been in them from birth, growing up with that nature in a satanic world, wow, it's not easy for those who choose to serve God. but they choose to serve God cus they love God , not because the other choice leads to eternal burning.

analice107:
So very human reasoning.
Where then is the Justice you talk about? If God takes away the woman's pain and let the criminal go, what kind of God will that be? Then He has denied himself.
It's not even about the woman. It wasn't the woman who said thou shall not kill. It was God. So if a criminal does that, he, although hurt that woman, but his case is mainly with God who put that law.

I dnt know if it's deliberate, but it seems that you sometimes say things not implied by the person you are quoting. nowhere in my statement have I ever said that God will let the criminal go, that your idea of justice is different from mine does not mean the wicked are not punished.

let me give you another scenario about this man that killed a woman's husband and children and slathered her baby in a cruel manner. 20 years later, this woman sees the man, he is now a pastor in her church. He met her and told her that he had now changed his ways and repented. will the woman still insist that the man should burn for eternity cus of the pain he inflicted on her? will the pain now go away or still remain cus the man had repented.? must vengeance be the end result of your pain?

these are questions you need to consider and answer and it will help you to understand the neccessity of hell. If you can forgive this man for a reason while alive in this world, why will you not forget about him when you are full of joy in God's new world. If then you can forget about him, how much more will it be easier for God to forget about him by un creating him and deleting him from existence. is that not better than for God to keep reminding you that a man is being tutured for the crime he committed in which caused you pain you are no longer feeling?

live a thousand years in full joy and bliss, and you will realise that anyone who had missed such opportunity is under some form of evalasting punishment, he does not have to be Tutured in other to be punished . nor will his Tuture add of remove from your the joy that awaits you.

He will recompense accordingly. He said his eyes are moving all over the earth watching the sons of men, that may reward them according to their deeds.
There's reward for very labor.

yes, reward them according to their deeds? no deed of man is equal to evalasting roasting. If you had ever really seen a real person being burnt alive, you will probably understand.
part of my last post: The God that created man, told us in his book to man, what man is, he also had recorded what he told that man about where he is going when he dies, what will happen to him when he dies. how will such man feel when he finds out that he is not where God said he will be when he died, nor in a condition God said he will be when he died.
man was created, man was nothing before creation. if such creation( man) does not serve the purpose or reason of being created, the best thing to do is to uncreate him and return him to nothing. abi no be so ?

Jozzy4:
beautifully expressed, the abuke/dwarf part is funny though

Jozzy4:
beautifully expressed, the abuke/dwarf part is funny though

haha!

analice107:
Watchtower says that when man dies he returns to the dust and it ends there, no consciousness of any kind. Why was Abel's blood crying. Where the consciousness come from to know that what Cain did was wrong and needed avenging?

analice, pls when we discuss , let's stay focused on what we are discussing ok. I've quoted from the scriptures on these thread not the Watchtower, you are just trying to change the topic by accusing me falsely. you can see the translation I use is stated mostimes at the beginning of the verse I quoted and mostimes you will see " King James Version". I do this so that you wunt defend yourself by attacking the source of my quotes mostimes when we are discussing an issue.
It is not the Watchtower I used, I used the scriptures in passing my point, scriptures that has not been refuted or given contrary explanation to up till now!

You want to use Abel's story to claim that man is concious after death, but your claims are faulty from the start

1. if abel was concious after death, and his blood cried out, is abel conciousness in the blood? these question will be hard for you to examine cus it shatters your beliefs.

2. If abel is crying out to prove he is consious after death, why was he crying out from the ground where his blood is? is abel in the ground where his blood is?

I think it's very very very bad for one who claim to be christian to formulate a theory based on part of the words of God and discredit or refuse to acknowledge the other part, more expecially when they are part of the Same sentence. you want to believe abel is crying,but you want to ignore where he crying from, cus the location of the cry will not allow you take God's word to be literal. you have decided to cut God's word in half, believing one part cus you can use it in your doctrines and discarding the second part of the same sentence cus it affects your doctrines negatively. analice, I think this is a very bad way to read the scriptures, cus how you have been handling the issue of Abel's blood crying out from the ground has just totally stripped the scripture of his protective covers.

anOther question to you, pls what is crying out, his blood, his spirit, his soul?, since what cries out will determine what is consious in man after death. The answer to these will be used to show you that your doctrine is false.

I have shown what the scriptures say will happen to man when he dies, it says HE KNOWS NOTHING. I'm open for discussion if you want to discuss those scriptures.

Where did the Bible say the souls of the departed go?
I have posted these scriptures too many times here but you people dodged them.

pls feel free to quote them again.

Did you say man doesn't have a spirit?

1 Thessalonians 5:23 And may the God of peace Himself sanctify you through and through [separate you from profane things, make you pure and wholly consecrated to God]; (and may your spirit and soul and body) be preserved sound and complete [and found] blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ (the Messiah).
Did Watchtower edited this part out of your Bible?

you question shows you deliberately wanted to change the issue from if man is a spirit in a body to if man has a spirit. I never said that man does not have a spirit, I said that "MAN IS NOT A SPIRIT". man has a spirit, or life force that activates him, that makes him to be alive, that makes him to be called a living soul!. The same spirit that is in man is also in animals. read gen 2:7 again and you will understand what man is!

The gospel of Materialism is a Luciferean gospel. How do you reconcile resurrection which is the Souls of men entering back into their bodies to stand judgement for their deeds which Materialism which teaches that there's no spirit realm?
Ha gradually am beginning to see the motive behind Charles Tass Russell's Watchtower organization.

your attack based on lies will not make you right, it can only boost your ego, but people will easily see through it.

You keep shifting between soul and spirit,taking parts of both which suits your doctrine.
pls provide scriptures which says souls of men enter back into their bodies to stand judgement. which bodies sef, the one that has tured to manure? or those burned during cremation?
Or are you saying God will mould their old bodies back for them and put their soul in it, pls dnt tell that to a correct abuke or a dwarf.

I've never ever said to you that there is no spirit realm, that there are differences in our understanding of spirits should not make you make a blank statement that I dnt believe in Spirit realm. you are seeing thier motives through false accusations you brought forward just because they show you the truth from the scriptures, wow!

I kinda like the way of tithing as prescribed by Moses.
deut 14: 24-27 “Now when the LORD your God blesses you with a good harvest, the place of worship he chooses for his name to be honored might be too far for you to bring the tithe. 25 If so, you may sell the tithe portion of your crops and herds, put the money in a pouch, and go to the place the LORD your God has chosen. 26 When you arrive, you may use the money to buy any kind of food you want—cattle, sheep, goats, wine, or other alcoholic drink. Then feast there in the presence of the LORD your God and celebrate with your household. 27 And do not neglect the Levites in your town, for they will receive no allotment of land among you.

does your church when it says bring your tithe allows you to use the money to buy correct kain kain and assorted meat!?, if not , u better ask the pastor why he dey collect tithe in the first place if he will not follow the rules guiding it.

moreover Levites dnt have landed property, companies or holdings, the pastors today have offshore accounts!

I can bet their world not have been much brouhaha over tithing in nigeria, if not for one salient fact, the larger the church, the larger the pastors earthly collections, even if he claims the earthly collection is for the church.

goodnews201668:
Just wait he will come here probably by midnight and qoute you only to say trash and nonsense or repeat the same things again.
The way he talks I wonder if he's sound mentally.

haha!

analice107:
Let's leave the location now for a while.

Are we in agreement that there's life after death? That men doesn't cease from existing after they die?

there can be life after death, that is why their is the ressurection hope. but the scriptures stated that when you die, you return to dust, when you return to dust, you know NOTHING!, your thoughts and feelings has perished?

God said adam returned to dust, David said he will return to dust, job said he will return to dust. They did not just say "turn" , the scriptures said " RETURN", we are both learned enough to know what return means! and dnt come up with a false idea that's it's only the body that returns cus the spriture is referring to the person, the person returns to dust cus God said he is from dust. dust formed from the ground, infused with spirit is called a living soul! A living being, or a being that has life!

Genesis 4:10 And [the Lord] said, What have you done? The voice of your brother’s blood is crying to Me from the ground.

The voice of Abel cried out for vengeance, forget where it cried out from. Abel was not all dead. He was there somewhere, that is why his blood's voice cried out against evil.
If when men die, they cease to exist, what then is the need for judgement?

we can't forget where he cried out from, cus the location determines if it's symbolic or literal.
you accept part of that verse that Abel literally cried out, but you dnt want to accept that he cried out from the ground, is that how you study the Bible , taking parts that look good to your believes and avoiding the parts that throw out your beliefs?
If you believe abel cry was literal, then you have to accept the literal location where he is crying out from! failure to accept both shows that your belief is very faulty.

The question to you now is., do you accept the location where Abel was crying out from? The ground where is blood was spilled?

you refuse to share your view on if soul are literally under the alter.

remember man is not a spirit
King James Version
Isa 42:5Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:

spirit was giving to "them"(me , you and animals). The "them" is the being that is living!

analice107:
She has the right to say WHAT SHE THINKS, about the morality of the punishment?
Really? Who sets the boundaries for that morality? Her?
Yahweh created his earth. Decided to create animals differently. It was his prerogative to create man differently from other animals. He created him in his image.
God is not mortal, He is immortal, He is a spirit, invisible. In that same way he created man.
But if man remains in that state, how can he be visible in a visible, material earth? hence; the body which houses the spirit.

2 Corinthians 5:4 For while we are still in this tent, (body) we groan under the burden and sigh deeply (weighed down, depressed, oppressed)—not that we want to put off the body (the clothing of the spirit), but rather that we would be further clothed, so that what is mortal (our dying body) may be swallowed up by life [after the resurrection].

He decides to set his rules over his creation as it pleased Him. she wasn't there, her opinion wasn't sort. Now she has the right to think about the morality of the punishment?
Does God answer to her?

@ bolded, man is a spirit in a body? and you got that by your added explanation(in brackets) of 2 cor 5:4 ?
when will you guys stay on to one thing!
pls tell us, what does man go these Hellfire with sef, his spirit, his body or his soul?,
some one said body and soul can be destroyed in hell, another person Said Jesus preached to the spirits in hell. abeg, does the whole 3 supposed components of man go to hell when he dies.

as to the justification thing, will you suscribe putting pepper in the anus of your child for 10 years cus he stole ones? at least you are created in God's image too.