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OLAADEGBU:
"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, says the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty" (Revelation 1:8.)

Here is our Lord Jesus Christ claiming absolute deity in His glorified form in His first words spoken to Apostle John on the Isle of Patmos.



I mean that there are three Persons in One God. God is One. The doctrine of the Trinity affirms that there is only one God and that in the unity of the one godhead there are three coequal and coeternal persons—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.



What I meant was that Mighty and Almighty are descriptions of the same God. If you insist as you have been taught that Jesus was a created being how then did He become a god? If God is eternal and all powerful and omniscient, how can an angel become that? Read my penultimate posts for answers to your other questions.

The questions has been asked long time ago, the reason I asked the question was because I noticed that people who belief in trinity have different explanations or understanding on what trinity really is , and thus before I discuss what trinity is and if its bliblical or not , I try to understand from trinitarians there personal understanding of trinity.

You took quite long in replying and thus we had moved on in the discussion , hence the questions are no longer relevant, talk less of the answer.

One thing I noticed from one of ur last post is the statement that " jesus is yaweh " .
This statement does not go along with the belief of syncan(who also belief in trinity) which is " jesus is not yaweh" .

With this two different belief in trinity, it makes it hard for one to understand trinity. Hence the need for inviting syncan to comment on your thread so that everyone can come to a full understanding of what trinity Is .


So far syncan has not commented , hope he is not playing the dissapear/ reappear trick u re employing .

But if syncan does not appear, oladeegbu, do u agree or dissagree with syncan beliefs that jesus is not yaweh ?
If you answer to this is yes, then you will have to repost ur belief in trinity to comform. To the fact that that jesus is not yahweh.
If the answer is no,then I can put syncan beliefs aside and discuss with you on ur own belief

OLAADEGBU:
Yes. In John 8:58 Jesus said:

"Before Abraham was, I am."

I AM was the most revered divine name of God in the Old Testament (Ex. 3:14). Christ was not merely claiming that He existed before Abraham, but that He was still in existence before Abraham. Dr. A.T. Robertson, one of the greatest Greek scholars who ever lived, had this to say about John 8:58 after translating it "I am":

"Undoubtedly here Jesus claims eternal existence with the absolute phrase used of God."

Also before I respond to your post, I will like to know what u understand on the following terms and question.

1)what is a God. (what do u understand by the term God)
2) what do you understand by the term Christ)
3) can you qoute and explain to us proverbs 8: 20 to 31

Pls dnt disspear again o

OLAADEGBU:
Yes. In John 8:58 Jesus said:

"Before Abraham was, I am."

I AM was the most revered divine name of God in the Old Testament (Ex. 3:14). Christ was not merely claiming that He existed before Abraham, but that He was still in existence before Abraham. Dr. A.T. Robertson, one of the greatest Greek scholars who ever lived, had this to say about John 8:58 after translating it "I am":

"Undoubtedly here Jesus claims eternal existence with the absolute phrase used of God."

Pls bear with me, I will reply ur post , but since you support trinity and syncan support trinity, I will wait till he answers my question .the question is : does he support oladeegbu's claim that jesus is yaweh? He can use simple yes or no , and he can give explanations.

Abi ,(to olaadeegbu and others reading the thread) dnt you think syncan should respond to that statement by oladeegbu?

OLAADEGBU:
Jesus Possesses the Attributes of God
Jesus possesses attributes that belong only to God.

Jesus is eternal. John 1:1 affirms: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” The word was in this verse is an imperfect tense, indicating continuous, ongoing existence. When the timespace universe came into being, Christ already existed (Hebrews 1:8–11).

Jesus is self-existent. As the Creator of all things (John 1:3; Colossians 1:16; Hebrews 1:2), Christ himself must be uncreated. Colossians 1:17 tells us that Christ is “before all things, and in Him all things consist.”

Jesus is everywhere-present. Christ promised His disciples, “Where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them” (Matthew 18:20). Since people all over the world gather in Christ’s name, the only way He could be present with them all is if He is truly omnipresent (see Matthew 28:20; Ephesians 1:23, 4:10; Colossians 3:11).

Jesus is all-knowing. Jesus knew where the fish were in the water (Luke 5:4, 6; John 21:6–11), and He knew just which fish contained the coin (Matthew 17:27). He knew the future (John 11:11, 18:4), specific details that would be encountered (Matthew 21:2–4), and knew from a distance that Lazarus had died (John 11:14). He also knows the Father as the Father knows Him (Matthew 11:27; John 7:29, 8:55, 10:15, 17:25).

Jesus is all-powerful. Christ created the entire universe (John 1:3; Colossians 1:16; Hebrews 1:2) and sustains the universe by His own power (Colossians 1:17; Hebrews 1:3). During His earthly ministry, He exercised power over nature (Luke 8:25), physical diseases (Mark 1:29–31), demonic spirits (Mark 1:32–34), and even death (John 11:1–44).

Jesus is sovereign. Christ presently sits at the right hand of God the Father, “angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him” (1 Peter 3:22). When Christ comes again in glory, He will be adorned with a majestic robe, and on the thigh section of the robe will be the words, “KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS” (Revelation 19:16).

Jesus is sinless. Jesus challenged Jewish leaders: “Which of you convicts Me of sin?” (John 8:46). The apostle Paul referred to Jesus as “Him who knew no sin” (2 Corinthians 5:21). Jesus is one who “loved righteousness and hated lawlessness” (Hebrews 1:9), was “without sin” (Hebrews 4:15), and was “holy, harmless, [and] undefiled” (Hebrews 7:26).

Source: https://answersingenesis.org/jesus-christ/jesus-is-god/is-jesus-god/

Before I reply this post.
@syncan , pls pls pls, for the sake of those who want a better understanding of trinity. Is oladeegbu right when he stated that jesus is yaweh?


Even if you dnt have much time to explain , a yes or no answer is good enough for us

vest:
@syncan try use simple grammar when u open the thread oh!

And pls tell him to stick to the bible, in simple terms , the bible explains the bible, we dnt need philosophy to explain it.

Pls help me ask him him if any of my statement is false

Jesus said he has a God.
Jesus said his God is our God.
Jesus Said we must worship the true God .
The bible said the true God is the father
Syncan said jesus is not the father.

TheTerrible:
see this guy oo?.........tell me who could see Jesus before He became human?

No one.

So get what am saying.
God can't be seen, right! But the 'man' Jacob saw is none other than God the Father to be precise but lets just say that 'man' was God.
The person, Melchizedek, that Abraham paid tithes to is none other than God. Yes! God because it is only to God we pay tithes to.

So i stand to be proved wrong that it is to God we pay tithes to with biblical backing. If not the 'Melchizedek' Abraham paid tithe to is God. Look at it sef, there was neither prophet nor judge nor even your so called 'agents' then sef to say that Melchizedek is any of them.

Same to the person that Jacob struggled with. And you can tell me that was an angel because there is no where in the Bible that any person struggled/fought with an angel! Angels dont even have the luxury of time, they do what they are sent to do and poof they are gone.

Who told you you cant hear God! Chaiiiiii!!!!! Who spoke to Moses from the burning bush? Who spoke with the Israelites from the top of the mountain? Who was Abraham talking to, when he was making inquiry about the demise of sodom and gomorrah? Who did Samuel answer to when he said 'here i am, Lord'?

When Jesus was saying no one has seen God, Jesus was talking about seeing God in His Glory not when He has changed/diluted His form
I won't say that no one can hear God because you can't say Abraham was replying to the air neither was Samuel nor Elijah and many other prophets of old; or do yo want to tell me when Adam and Eve were 'answering the question of their lives' in Eden, they were talking to themselves?

Yes the bible says God/Jehovah is invisible but that doesn't mean He can't make Himself visible or does anywhere in the Bible say so?

Also take note that any time Jesus speaks he is talking to the unbelievers tha's what you people don't understand of Jesus' teachings, he is not talking to everybody in general but to unbelivers and 'shaky' christians. He said I have not come for the righteous but for sinners [paraphrased]
so take note that Jesus came with a message for the sinners not the righteous!

When He was saying nobody has seen or heard His Father, He was talking to the unbelievers though His disciples were present, why won't they be present? They are His disciples afterall.

Also because Jesus came in flesh doesn't mean He is neither God nor the Spirit He was in the beginning.
You are rikoduo made up of three forms:
soul-your main 'personality'
spirit- the spirit/breath of God/life in you
body- self explanatory

now without just one of'em you can't be rikoduo again so you have:
rikoduo the soul
rikuduo the body
rikuoduo the spirit

people can't see your soul but your body is a perfect replica of it and the spirit is needed for the soul and body to be bound together.

So if i've seen your body, i have also seen your soul, does that make your body short of what exactly it is?

With the above analysis you also equally say Jesus is the Son of God and God the Son

Haba! Siirr!,
Despite the seriousness of the issues on these thread, I can't help but laugh when I read ur thread.
first of all , ur postulations contained little or no biblical reference, quote or citation to back it up .
Second, u where told with biblical reference that no one has seen God, except the one he sent, God is invisible, No one can see God and yet live , and ur answer to that is that no one has seen jesus before he became human! Sir , y now!

Sir, are you saying that God personaly collects his tithe , so he had to take the for of high priest melchizedeck , become his own high priest so that he can collect tithe?
Are you saying the priest and levite who collected tithes from the isrealites are God in the form of men.
Do you know what the tithe , collected by the levites, is meant for and why they collect it?

Sir, if jesus was always talking to unbelievers, then I guess he was talking to unbelievers when he said he was going to prepare a place for them in haven right?


Sir, on the issue of soul, can I ask you 3 questions
1. What is the soul.
2. When god created Adam, where was it stated that God gave him a soul.
3. Can the soul be touched .
Pls answer with bible references.

armadeo:
I watched the first hunger games with disinterest. The copy of catching fire I got was cinema dubbed and terrible so I hated the film. Now mocking jay is topping the charts. Hmmmm.

What to do?

Go re-watch from part 1 , and these time watch correct dubbing.

Syncan:
You've shown that your hardheartedness is clogging your understanding, If I may decide to open a thread for it, I may decide to continue here, I may decide not to respond, I will do as it pleases me, for I requested sincerity from you, but obviously you are not. I shall refer you to scripture about what Jesus did to someone like you.

Lk 23:9. Then he questioned with him in many words; but he answered him nothing.

I told you the questions are not for me alone, but for readers of these thread ro have a better understanding of what trinity is.

I thank God you are not in charge of the thread as readers can on their own and personaly go through my questions, ur answers and my subsiquents remarks on them.

If u like answer, if u like dnt like , dnt answer. Just note, other people are reading our posts, reading every single bible verse quoted aand coming to an accurate knowledge that we must worship only the true God jehovah/ yaweh/ father. For jesus said he(the true God) is our God and his God and him Alone we must render sacred sacrifice.

Syncan:
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
He was in the world, and the world existed by his hand, and the world knew him not.

New Living Translation
He came into the very world he created, but the world didn't recognize him.

English Standard Version
He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him.

New American Standard Bible
He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.

King James Bible
He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
He was in the world, and the world was created through Him, yet the world did not recognize Him.

NET Bible
He was in the world, and the world was created by him, but the world did not recognize him.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
He was in the world, and the world existed by his hand, and the world knew him not.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
He was in the world, and the world came into existence through him. Yet, the world didn't recognize him.

Jubilee Bible 2000
He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

King James 2000 Bible
He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

American King James Version
He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.


Douay-Rheims Bible
He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.


What else should I say about this....They all say Jesus created the world, We know from genesis that God created the world, then Jesus is God.

Does these (what u posted) say I'm wrong when I said the bible stated that the world was created through jesus.

Syncan:
Let me first of all start by showing you the foolishness in your analogy. Now let me change house or road to something simple...Chair.

According to you:

Supposing dolphinheart heart tells fresky to make a chair, when some people (canticle and captivator) come along, and see fresky working, they ask "what are you doing", does fresky say "dolphinheart is making a chair? No. He says "I am making a chair". When he finishes making the chair, he displays it in his workshop; when people(Rjasan and zyzxx) pass by, they admire it saying "who made this chair"? What will be the answer? Fresky made this chair surely. Now the chair is now in dolphineheart's house the one who owns the chair, he gets some visitors(vest, francistony and Italo) who admires the chair, when they ask "who made this chair? will dolphineheart say " I made it" or will he say "fresky made it".
Even if dolphineheart taught fresky the work or gave birth to fresky, when we come to who made the chair, it will always boil down to fresky and not dolphineheart. Who did fresky make the chair for, he made the chair for dolphineheart. This is completely opposite what the scripture teaches. For even though you try to explain that dolphineheart made the chair through fresky, when we talk of made/create, we know exactly what it means, the primary maker is the one who we mean, every other time we use make without meaning the primary maker, we are only implying something else like "own", or "authorise" et.c. If then the primary creator of the chair is fresky, who will the glory and admiration from the people go to?

According to scripture

1) In Gen1:3. God created the heaven and the earth.... If God had created a god first, where was he? because he has to exist on something outside God. God is the only thing that exists on himself. And why did the scripture not say, a god that God created, created heaven and earth? That would have been the truth.

2) In Jn1:10. He(Jesus) was in the world, and the[b] world was made by him[/b], and the world knew him not...Clearly without mincing words, scripture says that Jesus made the world. Is Jn1:10 contradicting Gen1:1? No. it cannot. But by your analogy, it contradicts completely, for one would be saying "God made the world" while the other says "a god made the world"

3) In Col1:16. all things were created by him, and for him......Scripture is clear here that all things were created by Jesus, and for Jesus. However your analogy shows that a god created all things, and for God. Why you try to make scripture lie is what I don't know.

4) Prov 16:4. The LORD hath made all things for himself...You can put (Yahweh/God) in place of "The LORD" and see what it says, that God has made all things for himself. But you say, "a god has made all things for God".

I can go on and on about the absurdity of what you preach, yet you harden your heart to truth. I can give my own analogy of what I mean, We can see that yours contradicts scripture, and even suggests that scripture contradicts itself.

( I've made a post in response to this but I do not think it was uploaded , hence ill try to rephrase what I tried posting earlier)

Sir , in response to your statement and analogy, I wunt use the word folishness like you did, but I will use the word "mischievous" and "wrong"
1) u have tried to change the whole concept of my analogy in trying to prove my example wrong . Which is fraudulent.
2) ur story line is different from mine and also different from creation.

A) there was no one to ask any question when creation started. Any one that could ask was part of creation. So ur analogy is wrong .
B ) when the creation started , it was not showcased to anyone , but rather was used by the creator. Therefore no one can ask the questions u are using to prove my analogy as false.
C) ur analogy is wrong cus ur repeatedly equate make to mean create.

Now on the scripture.
When God created jesus, jesus was always beside his father, loyaly learning from him, being his master worker.


1)The scriptures has shown us that jehovah is the creator of the heavens and earth.

2)The scriptures has also shown that the heavens and earth was created by Jesus, and in some cases through jesus.
3) The scripture has shown that jesus is not jehovah, the father.

To understand 1,2 and 3 above the scripture them shows us what it means by both being part of creation by putting both of them in refference to creation in one verse and explaining the role both played in creation, no translation of that verse ever said they did the same thing in terms of creation.
Jesus, being humble and loyal to jehovah , went further to explain who he was and what he did during creation.

You have so far refused to quote and explain these two verses, rather you jump to other verses that you think explain ur view.

If we take the facts the way u explained the scriptures u posted above . It would mean the following
1)jesus is the creator of heaven and earth
2)jehovah/yaweh/ father is creator of heaven and earth
3) jesus Is the father/jehovah/ yaweh.

Rjasan:
I believe each member of the Godhead possess special attribute or features which enable them to be called God e.g omnipotent, omnipresent etc. Members of the Godhead are regarded as one, in the sense that they are united in purpose. Whatever one wills to do is what the other wants. Equal in purpose but in power and might Christ made it clear when he said "The father is greater than I".... Heb 1:8. We saw how God the father called Jesus, the son God. A father who is a God called the son God. A little bit of reasoning will have it that the son possesses the attributes, features that qualifies as God. I believe that's why the bible says and the word was God. God The Father, God The Son and God the Holy spirit are one in the sense that they have unity of purpose. Just as a man married to a woman although they are two separate persons are one. For this reason shall a man leave his father and mother and shall cleave to his wife and they shall become one flesh. I believe there is kinda connection between members of the Godhead that we humans cannot fully comprehend. Our mind is too small. Let's leave what is to be. Heb 1:8 made me agree with syncan that JESUS IS GOD.

Sir, jesus omnipresent, pls state where the bible said that?, and I dnt want derived analogy
So now , the true god is made up of members?
Yes, jesus , the Holy spirit are united with the father because they are loyal to the father, they do jehovahs will and not their will. They wunt do what the father tells them not to do.
When jesus was about to die, his will was for the cup to pass away, but he did not do his will, but the will of the father, hence the loyalty, hence the reason he was rewarded by the father.
If a man marries a woman and the woman refuses his headship, they are not one.there unity in purpose is based on loyalty.

Are u saying they are not equal in power and might? Then I say you are a truthful man for not believing in trinity.

Sir, Jesus is a god, jesus is a mighty god, but jesus is not the almighty god , the phrase almighty have never been used when reffering to jesus, it has only been used in refference to the father, jehovah. J jesus is not the father.

Rjasan:
KJV... All things were made by him.

Sir , no be me say all things where made through him ! Na d bible talk am .comment on that first .

Syncan:
Oga, you see that thing I put in bold, there is no where it is written in the whole of scripture. Now see this one:

You say that "So we were created from God, for God ,through jesus"

Col 1:16: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:...Note that here scripture was talking about Jesus and said all things were created for Jesus, it means that even by your faulty analysis, Jesus is the owner, If all was made for God then Jesus is God

Wake up!

Sir
John 1: 3
Holman Christian Standard Bible
All things were created through Him, and
apart from Him not one thing was created
that has been created.

International Standard Version
Through him all things were made, and
apart from him nothing was made that has
been made.
Does these verse not butress my initial state that all things where made through jesus? After jesus has been created by God
I've noticed something about how U discuss. U take a verse or statement some one quoted, u start talking about it without expaining the verse before u jump to another. And u try asmuch as possible to evade other verses qouted in the same post .pls comment on all the verses quoted in the post .

Continuation.....
U have still not answered question 1 too9 and 11

Syncan:
When you talk about entity you talk about "Substance and Accident" that make up the entity's nature as I have mentioned before.

humanity connotes all that is included in the definition of man, for it is by this that man is man, and it is this that humanity signifies, that, namely, whereby man is man. Now individual matter, with all the individualizing accidents, is not included in the definition of the species.For this particular flesh, these bones, this blackness or whiteness, etc., are not included in the definition of a man. Therefore this flesh, these bones, and the accidental qualities distinguishing this particular matter, are not included in humanity; and yet they are included in the thing which is man.

Substance:
God is the same as His essence or nature, that is God is God by nature....The father is Omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, without beginning. Same goes for the son (the word), same goes for the Holy spirit. They have every attribute of God, they are God by nature.
St. John's testimony is yet more explicit than that of the others. He expressly asserts that the very purpose of his Gospel is to establish the Divinity of Jesus Christ (John 20:31). In the prologue he identifies Him with the Word, the only-begotten of the Father, Who from all eternity exists with God, Who is God (John 1:1-18). The immanence of the Son in the Father and of the Father in the Son is declared in Christ's words to St. Philip: "Do you not believe, that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me?" (14:10), and in other passages no less explicit (14:7; 16:15; 17:21). The oneness of Their power and Their action is affirmed: "Whatever he [the Father] does, the Son also does in like manner" (5:19, cf. 10:38); and to the Son no less than to the Father belongs the Divine attribute of conferring life on whom He will (5:21). In 10:29, Christ expressly teaches His unity of essence with the Father: "That which my Father hath given me, is greater than all . . . I and the Father are one." The words, "That which my Father hath given me," can, having regard to the context, have no other meaning than the Divine Name, possessed in its fullness by the Son as by the Father.

Accidents
Go back to list of accidents, there is no accident in God. God is a simple entity.

I had earlier shown you, using the five rules, how Divine essence (God) is not a person. However, there are three persons that possess the attributes of God, yet God can only be one, hence these three persons are one God. It then means that as persons, they can interact with one another distinctly, yet as God be everywhere (omnipresent).

Continued ..........




G) The true God is not omnipresent, for he is spoken of as having a location where he dwells , reside. :
1Ki 8:49;
John 16:28;
Heb 9:24).

His throne is also there in heaven :
Isa 66:1

All things are naked and
openly exposed to the eyes of him,and he
is the One telling from the beginning the
finale.
Heb 4:13;
Isa 46:10, 11;
1Sa 2:3
His power and knowledge extend everywhere, reaching every part of the universe.— 2Ch 16:9;
Ps 139:7-12;
Am 9:2-4.

H)Jehovah God is described in the Bible as living from time indefinite to time indefinite,
forever :
Ps 90:2, 4;
Re 10:6
Pls note :Jesus died!



YoU stated :
St. John's testimony is yet more explicit than that of the others. He expressly asserts that the very purpose of his Gospel is to establish the Divinity of Jesus Christ (John 20:31).

I)The bible says: John 20: 31

King James Bible
Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

There jesus is showing that the father is superior , that he was sent by God .

U stated:
In the prologue he identifies Him with the Word, the only-begotten of the Father, Who from all eternity exists with God, Who is God (John 1:1-18).


J)The bible says jesus is not the father, the father is the only true God, worship the only true God, therefore, worship the father.
(John 1:1 is a discussion for another day )

U stated:

The immanence of the Son in the Father and of the Father in the Son is declared in Christ's
words to St. Philip: "Do you not believe, that I am in the Father, and the Father in
Me?" (14:10), and in other passages no less explicit (14:7; 16:15; 17:21).

What book of the bible?

K) Bible says
Jesus said : the father is greater than I am
Jesus said : the father sent me
jesus said: I do not my will, but the will of he that sent him
Jesus said : let not my will be done , but Gods will

Jesus said : I'm going back to God , my God and ur God.

If we do Gods will , we will become jesus brothers, but jehovahs sons .


U stated:
oneness of Their power and Their action is affirmed: "Whatever he [the Father] does, the Son also does in like manner" (5:19, cf. 10:38);


L)Bible says;
The son does not do anything of his own initiative , but what he behelds the father doing(paraphrased). This is not equal authority , but jesus loyalty in conforming to the fathers ways, just as we are also encouraged to do.

No where in the bible will u hear God following jesus ways, or jesus sending God anywhere.

U stated:

and to the Son no less than to the Father belongs the Divine attribute of conferring life on whom He will (5:21).

M)Bible says
“Not by bread alone does man live but by every expression of Jehovah’s mouth does man live.” ( De 8:3)
Jesus Christ repeated this statement and also said: “My food is for me to do the will of
him that sent me and to finish his work.”
Joh 4:34;
Mt 4:4
On another occasion he declared: “Just as the living Father sent me forth and I live because of the Father, he also that feeds on me, even that one will live because of me.”— John 6: 57

These shows that life is from God and we receive it through jesus Christ .

U stated:
10:29, Christ expressly teaches His unity of
essence with the Father: "That which my
Father hath given me, is greater than all . . .
I and the Father are one." The words, "That
which my Father hath given me," can,
having regard to the context, have no other
meaning than the Divine Name, possessed
in its fullness by the Son as by the Father.

N)Well u said it , every one can see :the father gave him , he did not have it initialy.

Syncan:
When you talk about entity you talk about "Substance and Accident" that make up the entity's nature as I have mentioned before.

humanity connotes all that is included in the definition of man, for it is by this that man is man, and it is this that humanity signifies, that, namely, whereby man is man. Now individual matter, with all the individualizing accidents, is not included in the definition of the species.For this particular flesh, these bones, this blackness or whiteness, etc., are not included in the definition of a man. Therefore this flesh, these bones, and the accidental qualities distinguishing this particular matter, are not included in humanity; and yet they are included in the thing which is man.

Substance:
God is the same as His essence or nature, that is God is God by nature....The father is Omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, without beginning. Same goes for the son (the word), same goes for the Holy spirit. They have every attribute of God, they are God by nature.
St. John's testimony is yet more explicit than that of the others. He expressly asserts that the very purpose of his Gospel is to establish the Divinity of Jesus Christ (John 20:31). In the prologue he identifies Him with the Word, the only-begotten of the Father, Who from all eternity exists with God, Who is God (John 1:1-18). The immanence of the Son in the Father and of the Father in the Son is declared in Christ's words to St. Philip: "Do you not believe, that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me?" (14:10), and in other passages no less explicit (14:7; 16:15; 17:21). The oneness of Their power and Their action is affirmed: "Whatever he [the Father] does, the Son also does in like manner" (5:19, cf. 10:38); and to the Son no less than to the Father belongs the Divine attribute of conferring life on whom He will (5:21). In 10:29, Christ expressly teaches His unity of essence with the Father: "That which my Father hath given me, is greater than all . . . I and the Father are one." The words, "That which my Father hath given me," can, having regard to the context, have no other meaning than the Divine Name, possessed in its fullness by the Son as by the Father.

Accidents
Go back to list of accidents, there is no accident in God. God is a simple entity.

I had earlier shown you, using the five rules, how Divine essence (God) is not a person. However, there are three persons that possess the attributes of God, yet God can only be one, hence these three persons are one God. It then means that as persons, they can interact with one another distinctly, yet as God be everywhere (omnipresent).

I asked the question :
10) does jesus have the same entity as the father, are they one and the same?
(b)can jesus and the father be in the same place and same as two different spirit creatures interacting with each other?
11) if they are equal , is possible for them to exchange roles ?


True to how I thought u will reply, u did not seperate ur answers based on the numberings, and you fused human analogy and teachings about God to try and explain ur beliefs . I for one will stick to the bible.

You stated:

"God is the same as His essence or nature, that is God is God by nature....The father is
Omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, without beginning. Same goes for the son (the word), same goes for the Holy spirit.
They have every attribute of God, they are God by nature."

The bibles says
God is God not by nature

A)God has a name: deut 6:4.

American Standard Version
Hear, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah:

Darby Bible Translation
Hear, Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah;

World English Bible
Hear, Israel: Yahweh is our God; Yahweh is one:

Young's Literal Translation
Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah;

B)He is living , God is a living God:2 cor 6:16

King James Bible
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people

Jer 10:10

King James Bible
But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation.

American Standard Version
But Jehovah is the true God; he is the living God, and an everlasting King: at his wrath the earth trembleth, and the nations are not able to abide his indignation.

World English Bible
But Yahweh is the true God; he is the living God, and an everlasting King: at his wrath the earth trembles, and the nations are not able to withstand his indignation.

Pls note : u have stated that jesus is not the father.
The bible tells us that the true God is the father
The bible tells us the true God is jehovah .
Hence the bible is true in stating that the father is jehovah who is the true god .
Therefore jesus is not the true God.

C)God is a spirit: John 4: 24

King James 2000 Bible
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

2 cor 3: 17
Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the
Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.


D)God has a name , he is living and is a person , he has presence, :acts 3:19

King James Bible
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from
the presence of the Lord;
,
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
“Repent therefore and be converted, so that your sins will be blotted out, and the
times of rest from before the face of THE LORD JEHOVAH will come to you.”

Heb 9 : 24

For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself,
now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf.

Note also : Christ is to appear in the presence (before)God.

E)The reason God is God is because of his creatorship, not nature: rev 4: 11.

King James Bible
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure
they are and were created.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Our Lord and God, You are worthy to receive glory and honor and power, because You have created all things, and
because of Your will they exist and were created .

Pls note :Anything that is worshiped can be termed a god, inasmuch as the worshiper attributes to it might greater than his own and
venerates it. A person can even let his belly be a god. ( Ro 16:18; Php 3:18, 19) The Bible
makes mention of many gods (Ps 86:8; 1Co 8:5, 6), but it shows that the gods of the
nations are valuelesss.—Ps 96:5.

Therefore , God is our God cus we accept that he created us and he is good for us to worship.



F)Everywhere there is a testimony of the works of his hands Ps 19:1)



To be continued .........

Syncan:
Please show me where i posted that you said so. I needed your opinion and i said you should be truthful about it, true or false ?

Oh you have already concluded that I am twisting the bible, while you are the one holding on to Jehova needing a proxy Jesus to create the world. When your jehova spoke, Jesus did what exactly for light to appear? I actually thought you sincerely want to learn, but It's now clear you've hardened up your heart to hold on to a lie. Take a look at the bold in yours and take a look at the bold below, God needed no helper to make anything.


Gen 1:6-7 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

The truth shall set you free.

Sir, I'm sorry , thought you where reffering to me as the origin of that statement. This brings about the question, who made the statement?are you the one that made the statement? Then its you that needs to state if its true or false first.
if the statement was not made by anyone, then there is no need for anyone to answer.




I've concluded cus you have so far up to the point of my typing and saving these post to answer questions that I've asked days ago.
If you think jesus is a proxy based on the bibles explanations , then its you against the bible.

Now ill use the bible to explain my belief , if you think that my understanding of the scriptures I'm about to explain on is wrong, pls quote the scriptures I explained on and give us ur own understanding .

1 corinthians 8:6

there is actually to us one
God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

New International Version
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord,
Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

King James Bible
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

International Standard Version
yet for us there is only one God, the Father, from whom everything came into being and for whom we live. And there is only one Lord, Jesus the Messiah, through whom everything came into being and through whom we live.

Weymouth New Testament
yet *we* have but one God, the Father, who is the source of all things and for whose service we exist, and but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom we and all things exist.


These verse helps me ( and I truthfully hope, u too) to understand creation better . That all things where created by the father through jesus Christ.

A vivid example is when we say "mr syncan built a house" . Yes Mr syncan built a house, but Mr syncan did not physicaly build the house, he built the house through the use of bricklayers and other artisans.
When the house is being constructed , we don't say the bricklayer is building a house, we say mr syncan is building a house, because the house belong to Mr syncan.
Same with when we say the govt is building a fed road and uses Julius Berger to build it.
After completion, the road Belong to the Govt, we dnt say the road belong to julius Berger, despite the fact that it was the company that built the road . The govt built the road through the company.

So we were created from God, for God ,through jesus.

John 1:2, 3 buttress these fact further by stating that all things apart from jesus where created through jesus , signifying that it was jehovah that created jesus, but used jesus to create every other thing.

Jehovah is fittingly and uniquely called “the Creator.”—Isa 40:28.
It is because of God’s will that all things “existed and were created.” (Re 4:11)

Jehovah’s first creation was his “only- begotten Son” (John 3:16), “the beginning of the creation by God.” (Re 3:14) This one, “the firstborn of all creation,” was used by Jehovah in creating all other things, those in the heavens and those upon the earth, “the things visible and the things invisible. ( Joh 1:1-4, 10, 14, 17) As wisdom personified, this One is represented as saying, “Jehovah himself produced me as the beginning of his way,” and he tells of his association with God the Creator as Jehovah’s “master worker.” ( Pr 8:12, 22-31)

Syncan:
Just trying to let you know why you should not confuse person with entity.

Meanwhile be truthful : If Jesus, and not the father created all things, Who was it that in Gen 1:1 created heaven and earth. Who said in Gen 1:3 "let there be light". Who rested on the seventh day after creating man on the sixth?

U asking the question again ? Pls note , I never said "jesus and not the father created all things". Dnt twist my word like u trying to twist d bible .

Jehovah is our creator
We are created by jehovah through jesus,
Jesus is Gods master worker.
God wanted to create light, he said it and jesus did it .
If these answer is not good enough for you , let me know so that I can show you where in the bible I took those words and explanation from .


Pls , even if I'm confusing person with entity, pls answer my question in the same numberings as asked. If you think its entity I mean , answer as entity, if u think its persons I mean , answer as person.

CANTICLES:
Trinity is d greatest absurdity in dis era !!!

If someones reads Colosians 3:1 that says " Christ Seats at the right hand of God" !!! Accordin to trinitarian absurdity .... That scripture means

" Christ seat at the right hand of God the father, the son , the holyspirit" !!!! Trinity is total heresy !!!!

They say they are three that make one, but that one is not three in it( me , I'm so confused)
they say the Christ is God, the almighty. Christ means anointed one, so who anointed the almighty? So confusing
They say the Christ also serves as high priest , high priest to who ? High priest to himself ?
They say they are equal, yet one learnt from the other and is always doing his will.

They say the seed is God himself
They now use English, philosophy, and other man made knowledge to explain the bible . No wonder we where being pre-warned about belief in human knowledge.

Syncan:
Every object man can think of, that is, everything that can be subject or predicate of a proposition has been grouped into nine (10) categories, they include: substance, quantity, qualification, relative, where, when, being-in-a-position, having, doing, being-affected

To give a rough idea, examples:
of substance are man, horse;
of quantity: four-foot, fivefoot;
of qualification: white, grammatical;
of a relative: double, half, larger;
of where: in the Lyceum, in the market-place;
of when: yesterday, last-year;
of being-in-a-position: is-lying, is-sitting;
of having: has-shoes-on, has-armour-on;
of doing: cutting, burning;
of being-affected: being-cut, being-burned.


All these are lumped into two main Headings :Substance and Accident. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accident_(philosophy)]

1. Substance (οὐσία, ousia, essence or substance). A Substance is that; which is not an accident. divided into two:

(a) primary substance: is that which cannot be predicated of anything or be said to be in anything.eg. This particular tree, this particular man.

(b)secondary substances, which are universals and can be predicated.



2. Accident: That which may or may not belong to a subject, without affecting its essence. All other nine categories of objects above belong to accident. For example, a chair can be made of wood or metal but this is accidental to its being a chair: that is, it is still a chair regardless of the material from which it is made

we now have a definition comprising the five notes that go to make up a person: Remember we said that a "Person" is defined as“an individual (primary) substance that is complete, subsistent, and is of a rational nature

(a) substance-- this excludes accident; the
(b) complete-- it must form a complete nature; that which is a part, either actually or "aptitudinally" does not satisfy the definition;
(c) subsisting --the person exists in himself and for himself; he is the ultimate possessor of his nature and all its acts, the ultimate subject of predication of all his attributes; that which exists in another is not a person;
(d) Individual---this excludes the universal, which has no existence apart from the individual; e.g. Man, Dog, Angel.
(e) rational--- excludes all non-intellectual objects.

Any thing being considered, that fails to satisfy even one of these five notes, is not to be called a person. e.g


The human soul belongs to the nature(humanity) as a part of it, and is therefore not a person, even when existing separately. (falls short of b)

The human nature of Christ does not exists in himself and for himself, but exists “for and in line with the activities” of the Divine Personality of the Word. It is therefore communicated by assumption and so is not a person. (falls short of c)

Lastly the Divine Essence (God), though subsisting per se, is so communicated to the Three Persons that it does not exist apart from them; it is therefore not a person. God as an entity is not a person (falls short of d)


So there you go, we have our full definition of a person, so anything we are talking about and using person, has to follow these rules.

Exercise: Check if the word is a person.

Sir I do understand the English you are trying to teach me. Its the philosophy I have problem with, why? , because its simply man made analogy and not from the bible.
Man through language, definition, philosophy, and belief can term God to be anything he wants it to be .
That is why the bible tells us to be wary of such knowledge and belief what the bible tells us .

So therefore, sir , using the bible as the basis , can you answer the questions I asked ? If you re not answering it , let everyone on the thread know so that we can move on .

Abuamam:
I am simply pointing out that their own stated objectives never include fighting for Islam. I am not making a case for them, neither does Islamic law in any way justify their methods; if anything, we feel the effects of their atrocities even mo4e than you do, and many of our scholars have lost their lives opposing them. The point is they have other reasons that have nothing to do with Islam, until they want to decieve the muslim youth into their ranks.

I respect your desire not to respond, but I wonder if your physician's outrage at unnecessary civilian deaths extends to the thousands of innocent victims of drone strikes on wedding parties and carpet bombing of an overcrowded open air prison, deliberately targetting children, of whom over 700 were killed in 3 weeks. Or whether you just roll your eyes at 'Israel and the west...' narrative. Perhaps you would then understand that we who try to counter the false teachings of the extremists can never succeed while the youth keep seeing the above events being ignored by the world's intellectuals.

Bro u have not answered my questions, pls do.

On the issue of what's happening in the middle east, I do believe most of these wahala started with the Arabs and the religion they carry along with them .
If they had not decided to conquer Iran and Iraq based on some flimsy excuse that the conquered region was planning to attack first , the world would not have had the opportunity of instigating war between two factions of the same religion .
If they had not invaded Israel , the isrealites wunt be fighting for there survival today.

They say the isrealis commit war crimes. As if the other countries around them did not try to do the same thing to them. ( I'm not saying the killings by the isrealis is right, I do hate the atrocities they commited, but its the nuetrals that can complain and not the people and religion who have failed in their ambition in eliminating isrealites.)
If you are peaceable, others cannot cause war between you . Fighters in Syria are mostly from same region , same wider tribe
Same language , same religion , but they are fighting themselves cus they are different sects of same religion.
Most of the other countries are fighting themselves cus they want to enshrine there own personal form of the religion.

In saudi Arabia , there citezins who are of different sect (the shias) are not allowed into the military, civil service and govt owned oil companies (and these oil the country export is from shia citezens lands) .
They are aalways cheated as monority, what do you think will happen if they are giving arms by unfriendly countries to fight the government. A good example of these is what is happening I bahrain.


The religion in itself, for it to be fully effective , must be state run, the shatia cannot become effective if its not effected by the state, hence the religions need and drive to control the state in which they reside.


Last note , I personaly do believe that the terrorist are just following a trend set by their predicessors during the conquests of islam.

Abuamam:
1) No. You are trying to nitpick. They cannot follow the man to ascertain who he talks to and who he does not talk to. People of similar faith to him are free to leave Saudi Arabia if they feel restricted in their worship and want to speak to spiritual leaders. Of course, if they consider money more important than their faith, then it is not the fault of Saudis.

2) No again, and for the same reasons as above. You see, Christians really believe that they are doing non Christians a favour by evangelising and would go to any length to create disorder in the muslim society. Prevention is better than cure.

3) If the authorities do not know about it, they cannot stop it. If the authorities do know about it, then it has been broadcast by invitations etc. This is not allowed.

4) He is an apostate. Obviously he is evangelising and trying to corrupt muslims. There should be fora for muslim/ non muslim debate. Christians do air misconceptions about Islam in order to convert muslims, and ignorant muslims should be protected from such falsehood.

5) No they do not. In fact, the prophet (saw) discouraged us from taking the Qur'an into non friendly territory. Migrating to such areas by muslims is only permitted in case of a necessity.
Again they do not count it as oppression if they are prevented from doing so in a foreign land, where furthermore, they are immigrants and not citizens, and knew the country's rules before travelling there. However, it is in muslim territory where muslims are the majority, for example if they ban mosques in, say, Egypt.
To shed more light on this, muslim women have been banned from wearing the niqab; and even hijab; in certain locations in Europe. Many Islamic books are banned in certain parts of Russian territories. Germany is proposing an official translation of the Qur'an... etc. No muslim scholar or group suggested that muslims take up arms in any of these cases.

1)I'm not trying anything , just asking questions based on specific scenarios, are u saying he will not be allowed in, even if he stated where he will be holding the private meetings and with whom he will be holding them? We do have the police na, if someone does anything contrary to the law , he will be arrested na.


2) they have already prevented Christians from evangelizing, what are they preventing by not allowing me to sit alone in a park , or when travelling in a bus, to bring out My bible and read silently.

3)what do u mean by "broadcast by invitation"
What I'm asking is if a group of people or one person go to the authorities and ask for permision to meet at a location (after all the participants have privately agreed to meet among themseves ), will the saudi authority allow such gatherings?

4)What will happen to someone in saudi Arabia , who being a Muslim initialy , privately converts to Christianity, because he does not go the mosque again, the people ask him y and he tells them he does not believe in islam and its teaching again but now believe in jesus?

5) y re Muslims in the UK and lagos fighting over the use of hijab?

Abuamam:
Obviously you have anger issues. Go to Iraq and tell ISIS to leave the Yazidis alone if you feel so strongly about it. I was asked about apostasy, and I pointed out that an apostate is a former muslim; which excludes the Yazidis. What they worship is their headache.

You are of course, entitled to your opinion about Islam, but what led ME to Islam was the wonderful rationality inherent in its teachings. If I see a misconception about Islam, I point out the correct position. What you choose to do with the information does not worry me in the least.

Pls answer my Questions

Abuamam:
1. If you have something tangible to do there, you will be given a visa. A number of consultant physicians and other professionals there presently and previously, that I am acquainted with, are pastors. I do not know whether the title is included in their passport. Your title is not a criteria. You will not be given a visa if your activities are not defined. That goes for any country.

2. No, you cannot. The authorities do not want the kind of chaos subsisting in countries where public 'reading of the Bible' is allowed; eg public transport, street corner type of Bible reading/ preaching.

3. Yes they can. The authorities will not intrude into private homes to check what or how you worship. However, christian groups especially, are never content to worship privately. They always want to mislead muslims. The authorities do not want every self-appointed 'pastor' opening a home 'church' for tithe collection. Fraud is taken seriously in the Shari'a.
Rule of thumb; if the authorities get to know that non muslims are gathering to conduct rituals, the implication is that a lot of people have been invited. Secrecy is the key. Do not use loudspeakers and do not invite muslims and you will not be punished.

4. The punishment for leaving Islam is defined under the Shari'a as the death sentence. This however is not applicable unless you publicly seek fame for leaving Islam with intention to mislead others, eg brag on western media about how you know you are going to be killed for leaving Islam, then using your newly found status (likely a non entity before your conversion) to give public presentations at the UN and every evangelical christian gathering in the US, abusing Islam. What you do in your own home is your business, and you will not be pursued to assess whether you go to the mosque or not.

5. Oppression in Islam; whereby you have the right to defend yourself using violent means; include loss of life or property, or violent persecution for holding a belief. It is noteworthy that revenge is not acceptable as justification for violence in Islam. Neither is conversion of non muslims to Islam, permissible under the Shari'a.

1 can a preacher be allowed to come and talk to his fellow brethren in saudi Arabia, after telling immigration that he wants to come and personaly talk about the bible to people of similar faith?


2) the public reading I was refering too is: reading your bible openly in a park or bus but not making any sound or reading it out loud , but just reading to urself like reading a novel . Is that allowed in saudi Arabia?

3) in gathering to worship, I mean renting a space, not inviting Muslims and getting together to perform worship to their god before going to private homes. Tithes are not collected. Loudspeakers are not used. Can dat be allowed in saudi Arabia ?

4)what will happen to a Muslim who attends Christian gatherings in private homes,and when asked, tells anyone who asks that he is no longer a Muslim in saudi Arabia. he does not preach , but discuss about the bible with other non Muslims

5) do Muslims count it as oppression if they are not allowed to carry their Koran during a visit to a country?
Do Muslims count it as oppression when they are not allowed to fully pratice their religion in the country they reside and work in ?

Abuamam:
So anything that has a website attached is automatically true? People wrote that article, you know. You reposted the article on a public forum, you should have prepared for criticism.




CORRECTIONS

1. Saudi Arabia is not the headquarters of Islam. Muslims have no headquarters. Saudi Arabia is only the location where the muslim Qibla is sited, and where muslims go for hajj.

2. No country witholds its visa on the basis of religion. They withold visas mostly when an applicant comes from a country which may have a bad reputation for drugs, prostitution, 419 and other vices, and the applicant can show no tangible reason for applying for a visa, no visible source of income; and often makes multiple false claims on his visa application.

3. There could be up to 3 million non muslim foreign workers in Saudi Arabia (none of which was forcefully dragged to Saudi Arabia from his/her country). They make their money and go back. Saudi Arabia still remains one of the destinations of choice for foreign workers. No swords are used on them.


4. Here are some flags that have weapons:

Swaziland, Kenya, American Samoa... spears.
Angola... Machete.
Barbados... trident.
Belize, Haiti... axes.
Guatemala, Mozambique... guns/rifles.
Sri Lanka, Venezuela, Oman... swords/sabres.

I hope this helps your 'research'.

5. Islam is a religion that promotes peace but not at the expense of allowing oneself to be oppressed. Islam prescribes peace when peace is offerred. It permits self-defence as a practical code of conduct.

6. ISIS, AlQaeda, the Taliban etc were mostly created and trained by the western governments to create havoc in Arab countries, or fight Russia for them. Check their histories. Both Bin Laden and alBaghdadi; among others; were trained by the US, then went out of control.

There is a difference between fighting for a just cause in Islam, and using the name of Islam to fight for no just cause.

Questions
1) can I go to saudi Arabia if inserted to my passport or other documents are titles such as bishop or pastor? Will I be giving visa if the saudi authority know I'm a Christian reliflgious leader?

2)can I publicly read my bible in saudi Arabia?

3) can non Muslims gather to pratise their religion in saudi Arabia?
4) what is the punishment for leaving Islam in saudi Arabia?

5)what is oppression in islam

Syncan:
If you sincerely want to know, then I will try and take your questions one after another, in order of my choice. I will only move to the next one when we have an agreement with the earlier. Again please stick to what I say I believe, and not to the falsehood you've been fed with that I believe.
Eg. In (8.) above, you asked for the origin of the three Gods...I have never said there are three Gods, rather I said there is one God you may revisit my response on Trinity.

Again. In (9) You asked "How do we know that the holy Spirit is a God...I never said the holy spirit is a God, rather I said the Holy spirit is God.

This is the post that brought about the questions


The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and yet there are not three Gods but one God. In this Trinity of Persons, the Son is begotten of the Father by an eternal generation, and the Holy Spirit proceeds by an eternal procession from the Father and the Son. Yet, notwithstanding this difference as to origin, the Persons are co-eternal and co-equal: all alike are uncreated and omnipotent.

"go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" (Matthew 28:18).


Now these are my questions(some rephrased as per ur request and others added.


1.)(a) What is God ? (b)who is a God?(c) who is a god?
2.)(a) Who is the father and(b) what is his name.?
3).who is the holy spirit?(b)what is his name?
4.) What do you mean by" they are not three Gods but one"?
5.) What do you mean by " in this trinity of persons"?
6) what do you mean by " the son is begotten of the father by an eternal generation"
7.)what do you mean by " the holy spirit proceed by an eternal procession"
.what are the origin of the the three persons?.
9.) How do we know the holy spirit is God ?(b)if the holy spirit is God, can we say that the holy spirit is a God or a god? If no , why no ? .
10)does jesus have the same entity as the father, are they one and the same?(b)can jesus and the father be in the same place and same as two different spirit creatures interacting with each other?
11) if they are equal , is possible for them to exchange roles ?

Pls these question is not for me alone but for others reading this thread so that we can all get a full understanding of trinity.

U can answer any question first before the others but pls answer all.
Pls also endeavor to be definite with each answer , and u can do that by adding yes or no to the answers giving.

Syncan:
If you sincerely want to know, then I will try and take your questions one after another, in order of my choice. I will only move to the next one when we have an agreement with the earlier. Again please stick to what I say I believe, and not to the falsehood you've been fed with that I believe.
Eg. In (8.) above, you asked for the origin of the three Gods...I have never said there are three Gods, rather I said there is one God you may revisit my response on Trinity.

Again. In (9) You asked "How do we know that the holy Spirit is a God...I never said the holy spirit is a God, rather I said the Holy spirit is God.

Sir , pls do not wait for my agreement on one question before u go to the next. Ur answer is not for me alone but also for multitudes of sincere humans who are reading this thread. Pls answer all, as the questions all came from a need to better understand ur post. U do not need to answer in the sequence I asked but pls put the numberings so that I and others will know which of the questions u re answering.

On Q8. U said there is difference in there origin that's y I asked the question, and I based the fact that u said that" jesus is God" and" holy spirit is God " to also mean that jesus is a God likewise the holy spirit.
Same for question 9

But not to worry , I will rephrase the questions and add some in my next post. If u have issues with it , u can tell me and ill still try to rephrase. But pls wenever u decide to answer , for the sake of others , pls answer all .

Syncan:
The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and yet there are not three Gods but one God. In this Trinity of Persons, the Son is begotten of the Father by an eternal generation, and the Holy Spirit proceeds by an eternal procession from the Father and the Son. Yet, notwithstanding this difference as to origin, the Persons are co-eternal and co-equal: all alike are uncreated and omnipotent.

"go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" (Matthew 28:18).

Pls sir , then can u answer the following questions
1. What is God ?
2. Who is the father and what is his name.
3.who is the holy spirit?
4. What do you mean by" they are not three Gods but one"?
5. What do you mean by " in this trinity of persons"
6 what do you mean by " the son is begotten of the father by an eternal generation"
7.what do you mean by " the holy spirit proceed by an eternal procession"
8.what are the origin of the the three Gods.
9. How do we know the holy spirit is a God ?
Ill like to know more about trinity , hence the questions , ill be waiting for ur. Reply .

Syncan:
bros, believe me, you are the one putting "god" in those places. The scripture does not call any "god" mighty. Only God is Mighty used for all other "gods" are created. Na you de use "gods" where scripture obviously put God.

Except you chose to believe lies then you can call the mess they've written all over here as explanation of Heb1:8, someone said ps45:6 was talking about solomon, shebi na them be the explanation, go and read that Ps45:1-17 yourself in a bible, then heb1:1-8, then tell me it was talking about solomon.

Who explained "I am"? What i saw is a lame lie to avoid open fact. Go to the gospel of John chapter 8 yourself and notice at what point the Jews picked up stone.

To your questions Oga.


1.) The bible did not reveal that jesus is same as the father, if I'm wrong ,give us where the bible stated that jesus is jehovah/yaweh or father. Scripture never said that Jesus is the father, Scripture says that Jesus is the son of the father in eternity, scripture also says that Jesus is God, just as the father is God, just as the Holy Spirit is God. I have told you before, Yawheh does not mean father.


2. The bible reveals to us that we must worship the one and only true God, it reveals his name as jehovah/yaweh .
Give us where the bible states that jesus is an only true God. It is the Only true God that can forgive sins, Jesus forgives sins by his own authority (see Is. 43:25; Mark 2:5-9). Jesus calls himself "the Lord of the Sabbath" in Mark 2:28. The Sabbath is referred to as the "Sabbath of Yahweh" in the Old Testament (cf. Ex. 20:10)


3. Give us where jesus is called almighty God. Whatever word that was used to represent this almighty of yours was used for Jesus in Heb 1:8 and as well in "And the Lord God (Gk. ho kurios ho theos, the Lord the God) of the spirits of the prophets sent his angel to show his servants the things which must be done shortly" (Rev. 22:6). Who is the Lord God who sent "his angel" in this verse? Some attempt to say this text is referring to the Father rather than Jesus. However, Revelation 22:16, just 10 verses later, reveals to us who "the Lord God" is who has "sent his angel:" " I Jesus have sent my angel, to testify to you these things in the churches." Jesus is clearly "the Lord God of the spirits of the prophets!"


4 . When God was giving judgement to Satan and he mention that the womans seed will crush the serpent, are u saying that this seed was jehovah/yaweh /father. Jn1:1-14 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God...And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us", Please note that each time you put "a god" there, you say that there is a god without beginning, a "god" that was there already in the beginning, yet we know that the only being without beginning is the one true God.

Also ponder this while you're at it, it's scripture, no be talk am.
Is 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace".



5 when god was telling moses that he will send another prophet like moses to the people of isreal, that he will come from among the isrealites. This prophet eventually became jesus, are u saying that God planned to send himself? Again I shall refer you to Jn1:1-14 and Jn3:16, God sent his only begotten son, who is God, to live among men. Stop bothering yourself how that is possible, to be son and God at same time, to be son and yet without beginning, for you do not know the process of the "begotten" between father and son.

Before I reply, please I would like 2 know ur own concept of trinity, what u mean by jesus is God and holy spirit is God.

CANTICLES:
Knockout to the prophets of Baal ...... Jehovah the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob is the Only True God and our lord Jesus Christ His Is Servant

" (JEHOVAH)The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our forefathers, has glorified his servant, Jesus" ACT 3:13

They have been and still trying to bring pagan beliefs and worship into the scriptures. But the scripture will keep refuting those beliefs and honest hearted ones will keep on seing there folly. Imagine, he says he is laughing at a very serious life and death matter. Does he not know that having knowledge of the true God and the one he sent means evalasting life?

zyzxx:
u are making sense sir,
1. I explained trinity wit what we can see because some people find it hard to understand is spiritually.
2. I don't get what u are trying to say very well, or do u mean I should explain trinity using myself as an example? If so let me do dat.
human beign are consist of three identities
Body, spirit, and soul.
the soul reside in both d body and spirit ( same soul in our body, is d same soul in our spirit wen we dream.
Spiritually, d herberlist av the power to hurt d 3's by just invoke one, maybe d spirit. And it will affect d 3 because they are inseparable.
I think I will stop here sir.

U better stop there , cus u re confusing urself .