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[quote author=tola9ja post=28935372]just to show you how quran is different from all the book on earth no contradiction no variation free dose not preach violence e.t.c[/quote

Oh my! Where do I start from

In the court of law, u re saying that a book is incorrect while quoting from that incorrect book to prove the correctness of another book. The judge will definitely ask you if ur real name is Mr. Bean .

U dnt say Mr A is a liar and then use Mr A statements to prove that Mr B is telling the truth.


They say the their God is not Allah, y are u trying to forcefully Link them together.


I once asked a moslem cleric that the only way I can believe him is if he can show me from the Koran prophesies that has been fufilled , and such prophesies must
1. Not be fufilled under a very short period of time eg 20 years
2. Not be fufilled in the lifetime of the person who recorded the prophecy.
3. Not to be attributed to any other source
Not to be proven by scientific theory.
4 the prophecy must be specific as to occurrence and not indirectly atributed to it.

Up till now nothing .

As to Christians and there ways in relatin to Muslims who follow the quran

1. Christians dnt quote from the bible to kill
2. Jesus did not kill anyone for any reason at all .
3. Jesus preached peace without any condition attached
4. Jesus said , turn the other cheeck when slapped
5. Jesus, despite his powers , did not force himself to gain earthly political powers and lord it over others .
6. Jesus preached love .
7. Jesus was arrested, beaten and slapped, flogged, denied his basic human rights, but he did not fight back or revenge.
8. Jesus never killed his wife former husband, never married his adopted son ex wife,never married an older woman cus of money.
9. Jesus begged God to forgive his oppressors .
10. Jesus perfomed miracles to help humans and not grand standing magic

Now I should have listed the other religion leader and its followers traits. But I've been advised not to for my safety.

Baddestguyp:
I get ur point but note that parking bus doesn't mean you play a 10man defensive game, you can play a 4-3-3 and park bus. what u do is make sure d opponent gets nowhere near d box. keep them close to midfield and even a team like Madrid won't break them up if its done well but its hard. or is bale going to shoot from 40 yards out?

gatafe showed this in our last game, we could hardly come close to d box not to talk of shooting. inter also showed this against teams that play like Madrid a few years back

1. Yes it is hard, but based on the attributes of madrid I mentioned earlier, it is always done , example is the getafe u mentioned.

2. There is no goal scoring team like present madrid some years back .

tola9ja:
Matthew 10:34
"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

Ephesians 6:17
And take THE HELMET OF SALVATION, and the[b] sword[/b] of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

Exodus 17:13
So Joshua overwhelmed Amalek and his people with the edge of the sword.

Joshua 11:10-12
Then Joshua turned back at that time, and captured Hazor and struck its king with the[b] sword[/b]; for Hazor formerly was the head of all these kingdoms. They struck every person who was in it with the edge of the sword, utterly destroying them; there was no one left who breathed. And he burned Hazor with fire. Joshua captured all the cities of these kings, and all their kings, and he struck them with the edge of the[b] sword[/b], and utterly destroyed them; just as Moses the servant of the LORD had commanded.

Joshua 19:47
The territory of the sons of Dan proceeded beyond them; for the sons of Dan went up and fought with Leshem and captured it Then they struck it with the edge of the sword and possessed it and settled in it; and they called Leshem Dan after the name of Dan their father.

Judges 20:17
Then the men of Israel besides Benjamin were numbered, 400,000 men who draw the sword; all these were men of war.

2 Samuel 24:9
And Joab gave the number of the registration of the people to the king; and there were in Israel eight hundred thousand valiant men who drew the sword, and the men of Judah were five hundred thousand men.

2 Samuel 23:10
He arose and struck the Philistines until his hand was weary and clung to the sword, and the LORD brought about a great victory that day; and the people returned after him only to strip the slain.

1 Samuel 21:8-9
David said to Ahimelech, "Now is there not a spear or a sword on hand? For I brought neither my sword nor my weapons with me, because the king's matter was urgent." Then the priest said, "The sword of Goliath the Philistine, whom you killed in the valley of Elah, behold, it is wrapped in a cloth behind the ephod; if you would take it for yourself, take it. For there is no other except it here." And David said, "There is none like it; give it to me."

2 Samuel 1:14-16
Then David said to him, "How is it you were not afraid to stretch out your hand to destroy the LORD'S anointed?" And David called one of the young men and said, "Go, cut him down." So he struck him and he died. David said to him, "Your blood is on your head, for your mouth has testified against you, saying, 'I have killed the LORD'S anointed.'"

1 Samuel 15:33
But Samuel said, "As your sword has made women childless, so shall your mother be childless among women." And Samuel hewed Agag to pieces before the LORD at Gilgal.

1 Samuel 17:51
Then David ran and stood over the Philistine and took his[b] sword [/b]and drew it out of its sheath and killed him, and cut off his head with it When the Philistines saw that their champion was dead, they fled.

1 Samuel 22:18-19
Then the king said to Doeg, "You turn around and attack the priests." And Doeg the Edomite turned around and attacked the priests, and he killed that day eighty-five men who wore the linen ephod. And he struck Nob the city of the priests with the edge of the sword, both men and women, children and infants; also oxen, donkeys, and sheep he struck with the edge of the sword.

1 Kings 19:1
Now Ahab told Jezebel all that Elijah had done, and how he had killed all the prophets with the sword.

2 Kings 19:37
It came about as he was worshiping in the house of Nisroch his god, that Adrammelech and Sharezer killed him with the sword; and they escaped into the land of Ararat And Esarhaddon his son became king in his place.

Joshua 6:21
They utterly destroyed everything in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox and sheep and donkey, with the edge of the sword.

1 Samuel 31:4-6
Then Saul said to his armor bearer, "Draw your sword and pierce me through with it, otherwise these uncircumcised will come and pierce me through and make sport of me " But his armor bearer would not, for he was greatly afraid So Saul took his sword and fell on it. When his armor bearer saw that Saul was dead, he also fell on his sword and died with him. Thus Saul died with his three sons, his armor bearer, and all his men on that day together.

1 Chronicles 10:4
Then Saul said to his armor bearer, "Draw your sword and thrust me through with it, otherwise these uncircumcised will come and abuse me." But his armor bearer would not, for he was greatly afraid. Therefore Saul took his sword and fell on it.

Acts 16:27
When the jailer awoke and saw the prison doors opened, he drew his sword and was about to kill himself, supposing that the prisoners had escaped.

Genesis 3:24
So He drove the man out; and at the east of the garden of Eden He stationed the cherubim and the flaming sword which turned every direction to guard the way to the tree of life.

Numbers 22:21-23
So Balaam arose in the morning, and saddled his donkey and went with the leaders of Moab. But God was angry because he was going, and the angel of the LORD took his stand in the way as an adversary against him. Now he was riding on his donkey and his two servants were with him. When the donkey saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way with his drawn sword in his hand, the donkey turned off from the way and went into the field; but Balaam struck the donkey to turn her back into the way.

Deuteronomy 33:29
"Blessed are you, O Israel; Who is like you, a people saved by the LORD, Who is the shield of your help And the sword of your majesty! So your enemies will cringe before you, And you will tread upon their high places."

Leviticus 26:6-8
'I shall also grant peace in the land, so that you may lie down with no one making you tremble I shall also eliminate harmful beasts from the land, and no sword will pass through your land. 'But you will chase your enemies and they will fall before you by the sword; five of you will chase a hundred, and a hundred of you will chase ten thousand, and your enemies will fall before you by the sword.

Ezekiel 32:11-12
For thus says the Lord GOD, "The[b] sword[/b] of the king of Babylon will come upon you. "By the swords of the mighty ones I will cause your hordes to fall; all of them are tyrants of the nations, And they will devastate the pride of Egypt, And all its hordes will be destroyed.

Psalms 45:3
Gird Your sword on Your thigh, O Mighty One, In Your splendor and Your majesty!

Micah 5:6
They will shepherd the land of Assyria with the sword, The land of Nimrod at its entrances; And He will deliver us from the Assyrian When he attacks our land And when he tramples our territory.

Exodus 5:3
Then they said, "The God of the Hebrews has met with us. Please, let us go a three days' journey into the wilderness that we may sacrifice to the LORD our God, otherwise He will fall upon us with pestilence or with the[b] sword[/b]."

2 Chronicles 20:9
'Should evil come upon us, the[b] sword[/b], or judgment, or pestilence, or famine, we will stand before this house and before You (for Your name is in this house) and cry to You in our distress, and You will hear and deliver us.'

Psalms 7:12
If a man does not repent, He will sharpen His sword; He has bent His bow and made it ready.

Isaiah 31:8
And the Assyrian will fall by a sword not of man, And a sword not of man will devour him So he will not escape the sword, And his young men will become forced laborers.

Jeremiah 50:35-37
"A sword against the Chaldeans," declares the LORD, "And against the inhabitants of Babylon And against her officials and her wise men! "A sword against the oracle priests, and they will become fools! A sword against her mighty men, and they will be shattered! "A sword against their horses and against their chariots And against all the foreigners who are in the midst of her, And they will become women! A sword [/b]against her treasures, and they will be plundered!

Ezekiel 11:8-10
"You have feared a [b]sword; so I will bring a sword upon you," the Lord GOD declares. "And I will bring you out of the midst of the city and deliver you into the hands of strangers and execute judgments against you. "You will fall by the sword I will judge you to the border of Israel; so you shall know that I am the LORD.

Ezekiel 21:3
and say to the land of Israel, 'Thus says the LORD, "Behold, I am against you; and I will draw My sword out of its sheath and cut off from you the righteous and the wicked.

Ezekiel 33:2
"Son of man, speak to the sons of your people and say to them, 'If I bring a[b] sword[/b] upon a land, and the people of the land take one man from among them and make him their watchman,

Revelation 2:12
"And to the angel of the church in Pergamum write: The One who has the sharp[b] two-edged sword[/b] says this:

foot note-----------------------------------

THERE IS NO QURANIC VERSE JUST A SINGLE 1 THAT MENTION SWORD BECAUSE IT PREACHES PEACE

AM EXPECTING TWO slowpoke TO COMMENT THE 2 NO THEMSELVES

MY FRIENDS THERE IS ONLY ONE RELIGION THAT WILL BE ACCEPTED BY GOD
THE RELIGION OF ALL PROPHET ABRAHAM NOAH AARON MOSES JESUS AND MUHAMMED {MAY THE BLESSING OF GOD BE WITH THEM}
I BELIEVE THESE IS THE RELIGION EVIDENCE=
3:102

O ye who believe! Fear Allah as He should be feared, and die not except in a state of Islam.

3:19

The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will): Nor did the People of the Book dissent therefrom except through envy of each other, after knowledge had come to them. But if any deny the Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account.

A LOT OF. EVIDENCES LET ME STOP HERE

So what do we take from all the scriptures u quoted.
That Christians use the sword to kill?
That some Christians where told to kill?
That jesus killed?
That yaweh is same as Allah?
That Christians are not peaceful?
That Christians give u conditions to be peaceful with you?
What exactly do we take home from ur quotes.

Its very funny seeing u quote from a book u claim is adulterated. How are u sure the verse u quoted are not the adulterated parts.

But its not funny to see that its the religion that does not mention sword that has been massively killing from its prophet days till now .

Yooguyz:
Bible - Matthew 28:19

"Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the holy spirit".


WATCHTOWER's METHOD-Watchtower - 1985 Jun 1 p.30

"The first question is:
On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will?

The second is:
Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization? Having answered yes to these questions, candidates are in a right heart condition to undergo Christian baptism."

Can we conclude that the watchtower pays lip service to sola-scriptura?

Sir, ur blind drive in trying to make the watchtower look bad only exposes ur bad heart condition to the world.

Pls tell us what it means to be baptized in the name of the father , and of the son, and of the holy spirit?
If you know, tell us, if you dnt , then dnt go about insinuating that some people are not baptizing the right way .

Secondly , ur hypocrisy shows by ur fully not understanding the import of the watchtower questions. There answering yes to the questions means they are in the right heart condition to undergo baptism .
Sir, read well, the question or answer to the question does not baptise them!

Baddestguyp:
good but this still means he doesn't really play as a winger

It means he is versertile, can move to any other position FROM the wings.

torchwave:
The term 'immortal soul' is tautologous... The soul is immortal by design. It is like saying 'dead corpse.' You get the idea.

1.Prove it
2. Answer the questions i asked initially

3. Add this to ur answers: what is the soul and how did humans come to have souls

Baddestguyp:
don't be so confident, never underestimate arsenal or any other team. I pray shalke 04 park the bus against Madrid tho the odds are unlikely as teams don't park bus against Madrid

I can underestimate arsenal, so far they have not proved me wrong in my estimation. They fail when facing big teams in elimination challenges.

U can't park the bus agaist a team like madrid for the following reason

1. Madrid don't waste time in attack, play possession football or try to sneak through ur defence. If u dnt attack them, they'll attack u the more. So its suicide parcking the bus .

2.Madrid can shoot from anywhere outside the box, bale, ronaldo, benzena, James, kroos and modric have good long range shooting ability. So madrid dnt need to be inside the box to score.

3. Madrid players are good at dead balls.

4 . Madrid players are strong and can jump well in the box . Pepe, Ramos, varane, benzema, ronaldo and bale

5. Madrid have good long range passers , so it takes them less than 5 seconds to get back into ur box after you kick it out.

6 . Most importantly , madrid always scores. To beat them ull have to outscore them . Average is over 3 goals per match

Baddestguyp:
official position: ronaldo LW benzema CF bale RW. everyone knows that. its normal for a winger to move into d box but its not normal to stay in front of opposition post waiting for a pass

1. The BBC alternate positions during the match, so its not uncommon to see ronaldo in the box.

2. The team sometimes use a 4-4-2 formation instead of 4-3-3, so ull see ronaldo in the box mostimes.

3. The efficiency of marcelo , Kroos, and modric/isco/James have mostly done the job of a winger, so y always stay there to muddle things up.
4 . Funny, but Important. Ronaldo is so fast you dnt know when he moves from wing to box with or without the ball.

So he is still a winger with the efficiency of being everywhere in attack

The only reason why shalke is playing madrid is that ,unlike other teams , shalke fans did not pray well well. I would have preferred to massacr.e arsenal, but their night vigil payed off.

Baddestguyp:
he doesn't, or don't u watch Madrid games this season? hazard plays any wing, but ronaldo plays on center

The BBC movement is confusing you, they are so fluid in their interactions that you(not being a Madrid fan) cannot know who is in the wings and who is at the center.

torchwave:
jeez! Are you serious! The people of Noah's day had no souls? Wherever did you get that idea?


You have the teachings of the Bible really really really twisted, my friend.

You re d one twisting what he said. Y did u remove the word imortal from his statement!

torchwave:
God is not a man that He should lie. He means what He says even if it is difficult for you to accept it.


God does not judge on the basis of years of existence on earth in order to reward with eternal life or eternal punishment. All that is important to God is if you accepted His Son, Jesus Christ, before you died. It doesn't matter if you lived for only 12 years or 30 years or even 100 years.


Yes, God is love. That is why His grace is still available. But it is a great deception of the devil to assume that God's love makes it impossible for Him to punish the unrighteous. That is what the devil wants you to believe...and as long as you think like that the devil is happy.


GOD IS INDEED LOVE BUT HE IS ALSO VERY TERRIBLE.
THE FEAR OF GOD IS THE BEGINNING OF WISDOM.


Apostle Paul said, "Knowing the severity of God we warn men."


My friend, God means what He says and He said the righteous will be rewarded with everlasting life while the sinners will be punished with everlasting torment along with the Devil and his demons...forever and ever.

You can use the bible to guide me through what you just posted, I'm welcome to a discussion.
Wanna know ur view on the following :
1. What is hell and who go there ?
2. What is hell fire ?
3. What part of the man goes to hell?


God is a God of justice, he will not render judgement on you for more than what you did, expecialy since you where created imperfect and prone to sin .

Evalasting life is a gift from God for those whose heart is toward him, if u reject a gift, are u supposed to be purnished forever for it?

God knows we are imperfect , through no fault of ours, and he will still prescribe such heavy purnishment on us ?

When d isrealites where passing their children through the fire, God said such thing has not come up in his heart , so when did God create hell fire

paulGrundy:
I don't have any particular doctrine per say, but let's say I tend towards protestant evangelicals. I attend a church that upholds sola scriptural, but that is open to other denominations.

The perfect definition of the word "anything goes" in relation to beliefs and doctrines.

Abeg , what is the name of that church that upholds sola scriptural that you attend.!

If you have to build an image to remind you that you have a God u must worship.!......then I wonder.

Funny thing is, even some pagans who use images have exact copy or image of the God they worshiped.

torchwave:
About those who were brought up in strict Islamic or other religious environments, it is rather unfortunate but they are also without excuse if they die without accepting Christ.

Reason is there are thousands of former Muslims brought up under the same teaching and environment who accepted Christ and many suffered as a result of their choice while many were killed for becoming followers of Christ. They, like others, heard about Christ but they CHOSE to accept Him because their spirits did not resist the nudgings of the Holy Spirit in them to accept Jesus Christ into their hearts.

Op, I'm even more worried about people who never even heard about Jesus Christ. Will they also be condemned with people who heard but refused to believe? That is one question I don't know the answer. However, I believe God is just and He will be just in judging them.

If you are told the answer, would you believe, cus the answer to that affect your view on what happens to man when he dies.
God is justice
God is compassionate
God is merciful to those who repent
Most importantly, God is Love.

Would a god that has such attribute now condemn some people to evalasting torment lasting billions and billions of years because they sinned during their initial 30 to 70 years of existence?
Remember this sinners are not perfect

MzNelly:
You own that website?
The info there is provided by you?

Wow

What did the Witnesses do to you?

Such zeal

Good questions, will wait for an answer

To the best of my knowledge, there are characters in the bible who made mistakes and god did not condemn them for such wrongdoings. What God does is to correct them and show them the right way , in his own way and time.
There are many prophets, anointed kings, wise ones, apostles, disciples, bible writers who made wrong moves or had wrong beliefs about God ,his ways and directives, but in due course they were corrected with better knowledge and they changed.

The questions to be asked by any fellow who seeks the truth from any organization are :
1. Do they claim perfection?
2. Do they make mistakes?
3. Do they accept there mistakes?
4. Do they follow on their mistakes and seek for better understanding of the bible?
5. Are they trying their best , despite their imperfection in serving their God, even if death challenge their service ?
6. Are they always striving to seek better understanding of Gods word.?
7. Does individuals who give directives in the organization do it for personal gain, maybe fame or money.?
8. Do you think following any of their teachings can make you not to gain evalasting life. ?
9. What are there present beliefs and teaching.
10. Has the teaching changed over the years and why ?
11. Can they defend, using the bible their present beliefs.?
12. At what level or percentage can you place their effort on the following in relation to other organizations: preaching what they know about Gods word, loving their neighbour, loving God, hating and abstaining from what is bad, not associating with bad and wicked people. ?

If you take having the holy spirit guide you as meaning that you are above mistake as an imperfect human and as an organization , then ill advise you study the scriptures more. Then use that knowledge to search for Gods means of dispensing the truth on earth today.

On a last note, what are your own beliefs and why do you believe in them?

MzNelly:
Before I answer that, can you be honest with me too?
Are you an apostate?

Pls rephrase the question and ask if he was once a jw,how long and what cong. You will be suprised with the answers.

dolphinheart:
Jesus is eternal.
"In the beginning was the Word."

These words does not prove that jesus did not have a beggining , but proves that jesus had a beginning, just like the earth and heavens in genesis 1:1: "in the beginning , God created the heavens and earth.

Was jesus created (born)?

Colossians 1:15 " He is the IMAGE of the invisible God, THE .FIRSTBORN OF ALL
CREATION"

Rev 3:14 ".....the beginning of God's creation"


Col. 1:15, 16, RS: “He [Jesus Christ] is the image of the invisible God, the first- born of all creation; for in him all things were created, in heaven and on earth.”


In what sense is Jesus Christ “the first- born of all creation”?


(1) Trinitarians say that “first-born” here means prime, most excellent, most distinguished; thus Christ would be understood to be, not part of creation, but the most distinguished in relation to those who were created. If that is so, and if the Trinity doctrine is true, why are the Father and the holy spirit not also said to be the firstborn of all creation? But the Bible applies this expression only to the Son. According to the customary meaning of “firstborn,” it indicates that Jesus is the eldest in Jehovah’s family of sons.


(2) Before Colossians 1:15, the expression “the firstborn of” occurs upwards of 30 times in the Bible, and in each instance that it is applied to living creatures the same meaning applies— the firstborn is part of the group.


“Thefirstborn of Israel” is one of the sons of Israel;

“the firstborn of Pharaoh” is one of Pharaoh’s family;

“the firstborn of beast” are themselves animals.

What, then, causes some to ascribe a different meaning to it at Colossians 1:15? Is it Bible usage or is it a belief to which they already hold and for which they seek proof?


Also read proverbs 8:20-31, it gives us a better understanding about who jesus was.


Hebrews 1:8:

RS reads: “Of the Son he says, ‘Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever.’” (KJ, NE, TEV, Dy, JB, NAB have similar renderings.)
However, some other translation reads: “But with reference to the Son: ‘God is your throne forever and ever.’” (AT, Mo, TC,and NWT By convey the same idea.)

Which rendering is harmonious with the context? The preceding verses say that
God is speaking, not that he is being addressed; and the following verse uses the expression “God, thy God,” showing that the one addressed is not the Most High God but is a worshiper of that God.
Hebrews 1:8 quotes from Psalm 45:6, which originally was addressed to a human king of Israel.
Obviously, the Bible writer of this psalm did not think that this human king was Almighty God.

Rather, Psalm 45:6, in RS, reads “Your divine throne.” (NE says, “Your throne is like God’s throne.” JP [verse 7]: “Thy throne given of God.”)
Solomon, who was possibly the king originally addressed in Psalm 45, was said to sit “upon Jehovah’s throne.” (1 Chron. 29:23, )
In harmony with the fact that God is the “throne,” or Source and Upholder of Christ’s kingship, Daniel 7:13, 14 and Luke 1:32 show that God confers such authority on him.


Hebrews 1:8, 9 quotes from Psalm 45:6, 7, concerning which the Bible scholar B. F. Westcott states: “The LXX. admits of two renderings: [ho the·os′] can be taken as a vocative in both cases (Thy throne, O God, . . . therefore, O God, Thy God . . . ) or it can be taken as the subject (or the predicate) in the first case (God is Thy throne, or Thy throne is God . . . ), and in apposition to [ho the·os′ sou] in the second case (Therefore God, even Thy God . . . ). . . . It is scarcely possible that [’Elo·him′] in the original can be addressed to the king. The presumption therefore is against the belief that [ho the·os′] is a vocative in the LXX. Thus on the whole it seems best to adopt in the first clause the rendering: God is Thy throne (or, Thy throne is God), that is ‘Thy kingdom is founded upon God, the immovable Rock.’”—The Epistle to the Hebrews (London, 1889), pp. 25, 26.


Why does Hebrews 1:10-12 quote Psalm 102:25-27 and apply it to the Son, when the psalm says that it is addressed to God? Because the Son is the one through whom God performed the creative works there described by the psalmist. (See Colossians 1:15, 16; Proverbs 8:22, 27-30.) It should be observed in Hebrews 1:5b that a quotation is made from 2 Samuel 7:14 and applied to the Son of God. Although that text had its first application to Solomon, the later application of it to Jesus Christ does not mean that Solomon and Jesus are the same.
Jesus is “greater than Solomon” and carries out a work foreshadowed by
Solomon.— Luke 11:31.

Trinitarians state :
Jesus is self-existent. As the Creator of all
things (John 1:3; Colossians 1:16; Hebrews
1:2), Christ himself must be uncreated.
Colossians 1:17 tells us that Christ is
“before all things, and in Him all things
consist.”

The issue of Christ and creation has already been addressed.
See proverbs 8:20-31.

Is jesus self existent?

Does Colossians 1:16, 17 (RS) exclude Jesus from having been created, when it says “in
him all things were created . . . all things were created through him and for him”?

The Greek word here rendered “all things” is pan′ta, an inflected form of pas. At Luke 13:2, RS renders this “all . . . other”; JB reads “any other”; NE says “anyone else.” (See also Luke 21:29 in NE and Philippians 2:21 in JB.) In harmony with everything else that the Bible says regarding the Son, some translations assigns the same meaning to pan′ta at Colossians 1:16, 17 so that it reads, in part, “by means of him all other things were created . . . All other things have been created through him and for him.” Thu he is shown to be a created being, part of the creation produced by God.

Rev. 1:1; 3:14, RS: “The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him . . . ‘And to the angel of the church in La- odicea write: “The words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning [Greek, ar·khe′] of God’s
creation.”’” (KJ, Dy, CC, and NW, as well as others, read similarly.)
Is that rendering correct? Some take the view that what is meant is that the Son was ‘the beginner of God’s creation,’ that he was its ‘ultimate source.’ But Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon lists “beginning” as its first meaning of ar·khe′. (Oxford, 1968, p. 252) The logical conclusion is that the one being quoted at Revelation 3:14 is a creation, the first of God’s creations, that he had a beginning.

Compare Proverbs 8:22,
where, as many Bible commentators agree, the Son is referred to as wisdom personified. According to RS, NE, and JB, the one there speaking is said to be “created.”)

OLAADEGBU:
Jesus Possesses the Attributes of God
Jesus possesses attributes that belong only to God.

Jesus is eternal. John 1:1 affirms: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” The word was in this verse is an imperfect tense, indicating continuous, ongoing existence. When the timespace universe came into being, Christ already existed (Hebrews 1:8–11).

Jesus is self-existent. As the Creator of all things (John 1:3; Colossians 1:16; Hebrews 1:2), Christ himself must be uncreated. Colossians 1:17 tells us that Christ is “before all things, and in Him all things consist.”

Jesus is everywhere-present. Christ promised His disciples, “Where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them” (Matthew 18:20). Since people all over the world gather in Christ’s name, the only way He could be present with them all is if He is truly omnipresent (see Matthew 28:20; Ephesians 1:23, 4:10; Colossians 3:11).

Jesus is all-knowing. Jesus knew where the fish were in the water (Luke 5:4, 6; John 21:6–11), and He knew just which fish contained the coin (Matthew 17:27). He knew the future (John 11:11, 18:4), specific details that would be encountered (Matthew 21:2–4), and knew from a distance that Lazarus had died (John 11:14). He also knows the Father as the Father knows Him (Matthew 11:27; John 7:29, 8:55, 10:15, 17:25).

Jesus is all-powerful. Christ created the entire universe (John 1:3; Colossians 1:16; Hebrews 1:2) and sustains the universe by His own power (Colossians 1:17; Hebrews 1:3). During His earthly ministry, He exercised power over nature (Luke 8:25), physical diseases (Mark 1:29–31), demonic spirits (Mark 1:32–34), and even death (John 11:1–44).

Jesus is sovereign. Christ presently sits at the right hand of God the Father, “angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him” (1 Peter 3:22). When Christ comes again in glory, He will be adorned with a majestic robe, and on the thigh section of the robe will be the words, “KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS” (Revelation 19:16).

Jesus is sinless. Jesus challenged Jewish leaders: “Which of you convicts Me of sin?” (John 8:46). The apostle Paul referred to Jesus as “Him who knew no sin” (2 Corinthians 5:21). Jesus is one who “loved righteousness and hated lawlessness” (Hebrews 1:9), was “without sin” (Hebrews 4:15), and was “holy, harmless, [and] undefiled” (Hebrews 7:26).

Source: https://answersingenesis.org/jesus-christ/jesus-is-god/is-jesus-god/

Jesus is eternal.
"In the beginning was the Word."

These words does not prove that jesus did not have a beggining , but proves that jesus had a beginning, just like the earth and heavens in genesis 1:1: "in the beginning , God created the heavens and earth.

Was jesus created (born)?

Colossians 1:15 " He is the IMAGE of the invisible God, THE .FIRSTBORN OF ALL
CREATION"

Rev 3:14 ".....the beginning of God's creation"


Col. 1:15, 16, RS: “He [Jesus Christ] is the image of the invisible God, the first- born of all creation; for in him all things were created, in heaven and on earth.”


In what sense is Jesus Christ “the first- born of all creation”?


(1) Trinitarians say that “first-born” here means prime, most excellent, most distinguished; thus Christ would be understood to be, not part of creation, but the most distinguished in relation to those who were created. If that is so, and if the Trinity doctrine is true, why are the Father and the holy spirit not also said to be the firstborn of all creation? But the Bible applies this expression only to the Son. According to the customary meaning of “firstborn,” it indicates that Jesus is the eldest in Jehovah’s family of sons.


(2) Before Colossians 1:15, the expression “the firstborn of” occurs upwards of 30 times in the Bible, and in each instance that it is applied to living creatures the same meaning applies— the firstborn is part of the group.


“Thefirstborn of Israel” is one of the sons of Israel;

“the firstborn of Pharaoh” is one of Pharaoh’s family;

“the firstborn of beast” are themselves animals.

What, then, causes some to ascribe a different meaning to it at Colossians 1:15? Is it Bible usage or is it a belief to which they already hold and for which they seek proof?


Also read proverbs 8:20-31, it gives us a better understanding about who jesus was.


Hebrews 1:8:

RS reads: “Of the Son he says, ‘Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever.’” (KJ, NE, TEV, Dy, JB, NAB have similar renderings.)
However, some other translation reads: “But with reference to the Son: ‘God is your throne forever and ever.’” (AT, Mo, TC,and NWT By convey the same idea.)

Which rendering is harmonious with the context? The preceding verses say that
God is speaking, not that he is being addressed; and the following verse uses the expression “God, thy God,” showing that the one addressed is not the Most High God but is a worshiper of that God.
Hebrews 1:8 quotes from Psalm 45:6, which originally was addressed to a human king of Israel.
Obviously, the Bible writer of this psalm did not think that this human king was Almighty God.

Rather, Psalm 45:6, in RS, reads “Your divine throne.” (NE says, “Your throne is like God’s throne.” JP [verse 7]: “Thy throne given of God.”)
Solomon, who was possibly the king originally addressed in Psalm 45, was said to sit “upon Jehovah’s throne.” (1 Chron. 29:23, )
In harmony with the fact that God is the “throne,” or Source and Upholder of Christ’s kingship, Daniel 7:13, 14 and Luke 1:32 show that God confers such authority on him.


Hebrews 1:8, 9 quotes from Psalm 45:6, 7, concerning which the Bible scholar B. F. Westcott states: “The LXX. admits of two renderings: [ho the·os′] can be taken as a vocative in both cases (Thy throne, O God, . . . therefore, O God, Thy God . . . ) or it can be taken as the subject (or the predicate) in the first case (God is Thy throne, or Thy throne is God . . . ), and in apposition to [ho the·os′ sou] in the second case (Therefore God, even Thy God . . . ). . . . It is scarcely possible that [’Elo·him′] in the original can be addressed to the king. The presumption therefore is against the belief that [ho the·os′] is a vocative in the LXX. Thus on the whole it seems best to adopt in the first clause the rendering: God is Thy throne (or, Thy throne is God), that is ‘Thy kingdom is founded upon God, the immovable Rock.’”—The Epistle to the Hebrews (London, 1889), pp. 25, 26.


Why does Hebrews 1:10-12 quote Psalm 102:25-27 and apply it to the Son, when the psalm says that it is addressed to God? Because the Son is the one through whom God performed the creative works there described by the psalmist. (See Colossians 1:15, 16; Proverbs 8:22, 27-30.) It should be observed in Hebrews 1:5b that a quotation is made from 2 Samuel 7:14 and applied to the Son of God. Although that text had its first application to Solomon, the later application of it to Jesus Christ does not mean that Solomon and Jesus are the same.
Jesus is “greater than Solomon” and carries out a work foreshadowed by
Solomon.— Luke 11:31.

OLAADEGBU:
Jesus is Theos. The New Testament Greek word for God, Theos, is the corresponding parallel to the Old Testament Hebrew term Elohim. A well-known example of Christ being addressed as God (Theos) is found in the story of “doubting Thomas” in John 20. In this passage, Thomas witnesses the resurrected Christ and worshipfully responds: “My Lord and my God [Theos]” (John 20:28).

Jesus is called Theos throughout the rest of the New Testament. For example, when a jailer asked Paul and Silas how to be saved, they responded: “Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household” (Acts 16:31). After the jailer believed and became saved, he “rejoiced, having believed in God [Theos] with all his household” (verse 34). Believing in Christ and believing in God are seen as identical acts.

https://answersingenesis.org/jesus-christ/jesus-is-god/is-jesus-god/

Jesus is Theos.

The usual Greek equivalent of ʼEl and ʼElo·him′ in the Septuagint translation and the word for “God” or “god” in the Christian Greek Scriptures is the·os′.( note : the word theos refer to both God and god )
Same explanation on elohim applies to theos.
Believing in Christ and believing in God are not identical acts.

Jesus is a god , but he is not almighty God. Almighty God is jesus God, the one who annointed jesus.

OLAADEGBU:
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Jesus is Elohim. Elohim is a Hebrew name that is used of God 2,570 times in the Old Testament. The name literally means “strong one,” and its plural ending (im in Hebrew) indicates fullness of power. Elohim is portrayed in the Old Testament as the powerful and sovereign governor of the universe, ruling over the affairs of humankind.

Jesus is recognized as both Yahweh and Elohim in the prophecy in Isaiah 40:3: “Prepare the way of the Lord [Yahweh]; make straight in the desert a highway for our God [Elohim].” This verse was written in reference to John the Baptist preparing for the coming of Christ (as confirmed in John 1:23) and represents one of the strongest affirmations of Christ’s deity in the Old Testament. In Isaiah 9:6, we likewise read a prophecy of Christ with a singular variant (El) of Elohim: “And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God [El], Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”
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Jesus is Elohim. Elohim is not a Hebrew name, its a term.
Elohim is not portrayed in the Old Testament as the powerful and sovereign governor of the
universe, ruling over the affairs of humankind, jehovah , who also bears the term elohim is.




Among the Hebrew words that are translated “God” is ʼEl, probably meaning “Mighty One; Strong One.” ( Ge 14:18) It is used with reference to Jehovah, to other gods, and to men. It is also used extensively in the makeup of proper names, such as Elisha (meaning “God Is Salvation”) and Michael (“Who Is Like God?”). In some places ʼEl appears with the definite article (ha·ʼEl′, literally, “the God”) with reference to Jehovah, thereby distinguishing him from other gods.— Ge 46:3; 2Sa 22:31;

At Isaiah 9:6 Jesus Christ is prophetically called ʼEl Gib·bohr′, “Mighty God” (not ʼEl Shad·dai′ [God Almighty], which is applied to Jehovah at Genesis 17:1).

The plural form, ʼe·lim′, is used when referring to other gods, such as at Exodus 15:11(“gods”). It is also used as the plural of majesty and excellence, as in Psalm 89:6:
“Who can resemble Jehovah among the sons of God[bi·veneh′ ʼE·lim′]?” That the plural form is used to denote a single individual here and in a number of other places is supported by the translation of ʼE·lim′ by the singular form The·os′ in the Greek Septuagint; likewise by Deus in the Latin Vulgate.


The Hebrew word ʼelo·him′ (gods) appears to be from a root meaning “be strong.” ʼElo·him′ is the plural of ʼeloh′ah (god). Sometimes this plural refers to a number of gods ( Ge 31:30, 32; 35:2), but more often it is used as a plural of majesty, dignity, or excellence. ʼElo·him′ is used in the Scriptures with reference to Jehovah himself, to angels, to idol gods (singular and plural), and to men.

(note: you can see that its not only to Jehovah and jesus that the term elohim is used for . According to trinity, if kesus is elohim, jehovah is elohim, angel is elohim, men is Elohim, then all are God , right?)



When applying to Jehovah, ʼElo·him′ is used as a plural of majesty, dignity, or excellence. ( Ge 1:1) Regarding this, Aaron Ember wrote: “That the language of the O[ld] T[estament] has entirely given up the idea of plurality in . . . [ʼElo·him′] (as applied to the God of Israel) is especially shown by the fact that it is almost invariably construed with a singular verbal predicate, and takes a singular adjectival attribute. . . . [ʼElo·him′] must rather be explained as an intensive plural, denoting greatness and majesty, being equal to The Great God.”—The American Journal of Semitic Languages and Literatures, Vol. XXI, 1905, p. 208.


At Psalm 8:5, the angels are also referred to as ʼelo·him′, as is confirmed by Paul’s quotation of the passage at Hebrews 2:6-8.
They are called beneh ha·ʼElo·him′, “sons of God” (KJ); “sons of the true God” (NW), at Genesis 6:2, 4; Job 1:6; 2:1. Lexicon in
Veteris Testamenti Libros, by Koehler and Baumgartner (1958), page 134, says:
“(individual) divine beings, gods.” And page 51 says: “the (single) gods,” and it cites Genesis 6:2; Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7. Hence, at Psalm 8:5 ʼelo·him′ is rendered “angels” (LXX); “godlike ones” (NW).


The word ʼelo·him′ is also used when referring to idol gods. Sometimes this plural form means simply “gods.” ( Ex 12:12; 20:23)
At other times it is the plural of excellence and only one god (or goddess) is referred to.
However, these gods were clearly not trinities.— 1Sa 5:7b (Dagon); 1Ki 11:5
(“goddess” Ashtoreth); Da 1:2b (Marduk).
At Psalm 82:1, 6, ʼelo·him′ is used of men, human judges in Israel. Jesus quoted from this Psalm at John 10:34, 35. They were gods in their capacity as representatives of and spokesmen for Jehovah. Similarly Moses was told that he was to serve as “God” to Aaron and to Pharaoh.— Ex 4:16, ftn; 7:1.


In many places in the Scriptures ʼElo·him′ is also found preceded by the definite article ha. ( Ge 5:22) Concerning the use of ha·ʼElo·him′, F. Zorell says: “In the Holy Scriptures especially the one true God, Jahve, is designated by this word; . . . ‘Jahve is the [one true] God’ De 4:35; 4:39; Jos 22:34; 2Sa 7:28; 1Ki 8:60
etc.”—Lexicon Hebraicum Veteris Testamenti, Rome, 1984, p. 54; brackets his.

paulGrundy:
Am curious I would like to know the scriptural basis for the watchtowers assertion.

Been think say u say u where once part of them , u no remember their teachings again?

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OLAADEGBU:
[b]Jesus is Kurios. The New Testament Greek equivalent of the Old Testament Hebrew name Yahweh is Kurios. Used of God, Kurios carries the idea of a sovereign being who exercises absolute authority. The word is translated Lord in English translations of the Bible.

THE AFFIRMATION THAT “JESUS IS LORD” (KURIOS) IN THE NEW TESTAMENT CONSTITUTES A CLEAR AFFIRMATION THAT JESUS IS YAHWEH. To an early Christian accustomed to reading the Old Testament, the word Lord, when used of Jesus, would point to His identification with the God of the Old Testament (Yahweh). Hence, the affirmation that “Jesus is Lord” (Kurios) in the New Testament constitutes a clear affirmation that Jesus is Yahweh, as is the case in passages like Romans 10:9, 1 Corinthians 12:3, and Philippians 2:5–11./

Kurios does[b]not[/b] carry the idea of a sovereign being who exercises absolute authority.

The New Testament Greek equivalent of the Old Testament Hebrew name Yahweh is not Kurios..

Kurios (κύριος) is a Greek word translating to "lord, master". It is notably the LXX translation of Adonai, the Biblical Hebrew title "my lord" given to YHWH and is also the original name of God translated as "lord" in the New Testament. ( the reason why lord is used in bible translation has been explained in previous posts. Kurios is Greek word for lord while adonai is Hebrew word for lord).

In Ancient Greece, a woman could not enter into a contract herself and arrangements were made by her guardian or Kurios.
For an unmarried woman the Kurios would be her father, and if dead, brothers an uncle or relative would be the Kurios.
In some cases, when reading the Hebrew Bible the Jews would substitute Adonai (my Lord) for the Tetragrammaton (the written representation of the Name of God), and they may have also substituted Kurios when reading to a Greek audience (as in the Septuagint translation).
Origen refers to both practices in his commentary on Psalms (2.2).[2] The practice was due to the desire not to overuse the name of God.

“Kyrios.” This Greek word is an adjective, signifying the possessing of power (ky′ros) or authority, and it is also used as a noun. It appears in each book of the Christian Greek Scriptures except Titus and the letters of John. The term corresponds to the Hebrew ʼA·dhohn′. As God’s created Son and Servant, Jesus Christ properly addresses his Father and God ( Joh 20:17) as “Lord” (ʼAdho·nai′ or Ky ′ri·os), the One having superior power and authority, his Head. ( Mt 11:25; 1Co 11:3) As the one exalted to his Father’s right hand, Jesus is “Lord of lords” as respects all except his Father, God the Almighty.— Re 17:14; 19:15, 16; compare 1Co 15:27, 28.
Its use in place of the divine name. During the second or third century of the Common Era, the scribes substituted the words Ky′ri·os (Lord) and The·os′ (God) for the divine name, Jehovah, in copies of the Greek Septuagint translation of the Hebrew Scriptures. Other translations, such as the Latin Vulgate, the Douay Version (based on the Vulgate), and the King James Version, as well as numerous modern translations (NE, AT, RS, NIV, TEV, NAB), followed a similar practice. The divine name was replaced by the terms “God” and “Lord,” generally in all-capital letters in English to indicate the substitution for the Tetragrammaton, or divine name.
In departing from this practice, the translation committee of the American Standard Version of 1901 stated: “The American Revisers, after a careful consideration, were brought to the unanimous conviction that a Jewish superstition, which regarded the Divine Name as too sacred to be uttered, ought no longer to dominate in the English or any other version of the Old Testament, as it fortunately does not in the numerous versions made by modern missionaries. . . .
This personal name [Jehovah], with its wealth of sacred associations, is now restored to the place in the sacred text to which it has an unquestionable claim.”—AS
preface, p. iv.
A number of translations since then (An, JB [English and French], NC, BC [both in Spanish], and others) have consistently rendered the Tetragrammaton as “Yahweh” or have used a similar form


If trinitarians believe that jesus is kurios, then he is God because God is refered to as kurios , then everybody referred to as kurios is God , right? .

OLAADEGBU:
Jesus Truly Is God

There are numerous evidences for the absolute deity of Jesus Christ in the Bible. The following is a summary of the more important evidences.

Jesus Has the Names of God

Jesus Christ possesses divine names—names that can only be used of God. For example:

Jesus is Yahweh. Yahweh is a very common Hebrew name for God in the Old Testament, occurring over 5,300 times. It is translated Lord (all capitals) in many English translations of the Bible.

We first learn of this name in Exodus 3, where Moses asked God by what name He should be called. God replied to him, “I AM WHO I AM. . . .Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you’ ” (verse 14). Yahweh is basically a shortened form of “I AM WHO I AM” (verse 15). The name conveys the idea of eternal self-existence. Yahweh never came into being at a point in time for He has always existed.

Jesus implicitly ascribed this divine name to himself during a confrontation He had with a group of hostile Jews. He said, “I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM” (John 8:58). Jesus deliberately contrasted the created origin of Abraham—whom the Jews venerated—with His own eternal, uncreated nature as God./

I have waited for answers to my questions, no answers up till now, I will go and post replies as promised while still hoping ull answer my questions(unlike some others)

jesus is not jehovah/yaweh.
Jesus did not ascribe the name jehovah/yaweh to himself.
The name jehovah has been ascribed to God long before exodus .

He causes to become/i am who I am / I am what I am/he causes to be/ I shall prove to be what I shall prove to be /I Will Become whatsoever I please.” coveys to us the meaning of that name and who the person behind that name is .(this will be explained further in subsequent posts.)

Jehovah/yaweh Definition:
The personal name of the only true God. His own self- designation. Jehovah is the Creator and, rightfully, the Sovereign Ruler of the universe.

“Jehovah”/ "yaweh is translated from the Hebrew Tetragrammaton, יהוה, which means “He Causes to Become.” /I AM who I I AM, These four Hebrew letters are represented in many languages by the letters JHVH or YHWH.

Where is God’s name found in Bible translations that are commonly used today?

The New English Bible: The name Jehovah appears at Exodus 3:15; 6:3. See also Genesis 22:14; Exodus 17:15; Judges 6:24; Ezekiel 48:35. This and other translations use “Jehovah” in several places.

why are they not consistent in using it at every place where the Tetragrammaton appears in the Hebrew text(old testament)?
This is the reason why.

Revised Standard Version: A footnote on Exodus 3:15 says: “The word LORD when spelled with capital letters, stands for the divine name, YHWH.”

Today’s English Version: A footnote on Exodus 6:3 states: “THE LORD: . . . Where the Hebrew text has Yahweh, traditionally transliterated as Jehovah, this translation employs LORD with capital letters, following a usage which is widespread in English
versions.”

King James Version: The name Jehovah is found at Exodus 6:3; Psalm 83:18; Isaiah 12:2; 26:4. See also Genesis 22:14; Exodus 17:15; Judges 6:24.

American Standard Version: The name Jehovah is used consistently in the Hebrew Scriptures in this translation, beginning with Genesis 2:4.

Douay Version: A footnote on Exodus 6:3 says: “My name Adonai. The name, which is in the Hebrew text, is that most proper name of God, which signifieth his eternal, self- existing being, (Exod. 3, 14, Ex 3:14) which the Jews out of reverence never pronounce; but, instead of it, whenever it occurs in the Bible, they read Adonai, which signifies the Lord; and, therefore, they put the points or vowels, which belong to the name Adonai, to the four letters of that other ineffable name, Jod, He, Vau, He. Hence some moderns have framed the name of Jehovah, unknown to all the ancients, whether Jews or Christians; for the true pronunciation of the name, which is in the Hebrew text, by long disuse is now quite lost.”

(It is interesting that The Catholic Encyclopedia [1913, Vol. VIII, p. 329] states: “Jehovah, the proper name of God in the Old Testament; hence the Jews called it the name by excellence, the great name, the only name.”)

The Holy Bible translated by Ronald A. Knox: The name Yahweh is found in footnotes at Exodus 3:14 and Ex 6:3.

The Jerusalem Bible: The Tetragrammaton is translated Yahweh, starting with its first occurrence, at Genesis 2:4.

New World Translation: The name Jehovah is used in both the Hebrew and the Christian Greek Scriptures in this translation, appearing 7,210 times.

An American Translation: At Exodus 3:15 and Ex 6:3 the name Yahweh is used, followed by “the LORD” in brackets.

The Bible in Living English, S. T. Byington: The name Jehovah is used throughout the Hebrew Scriptures.

The Emphatic Diaglott, Benjamin Wilson:
The name Jehovah is found at Matthew 21:9 and in 17 other places in this translation of
the Christian Greek Scriptures.


Why do many Bible translations not use the personal name of God or use it only a few times?
The preface of the Revised Standard Version explains: “For two reasons the Committee has returned to the more familiar usage of the King James Version: (1) the word ‘Jehovah’ does not accurately represent any form of the Name ever used in Hebrew; and (2) the use of any proper name for the one and only God, as though there were other gods from whom he had to be distinguished, was discontinued in Judaism before the Christian era and is
entirely inappropriate for the universal faith of the Christian Church.” (Thus their own view of what is appropriate has been relied on as the basis for removing from the Holy Bible the personal name of its Divine Author, whose name appears in the original Hebrew more often than any other name or any title.
They admittedly follow the example of the adherents of Judaism, of whom Jesus said:
You have made the word of God invalid because of your tradition.”— Matt. 15:6.)

True Christians have a commission from Jesus Christ to make disciples of people of
all nations. When teaching these people, how would it be possible to identify the true
God as different from the false gods of the nations? Only by using His personal name,
as the Bible itself does.— Matt.
28:19, 20; 1 Cor. 8:5, 6.

Ex. 3:15: “God said . . . to Moses: ‘This is what you are to say to the sons of Israel, “Jehovah the God of your forefathers . . . has sent me to you.” This is my name to time indefinite, and this is the memorial of me to generation after generation.’”(Gods name will never change)
Isa. 12:4: “Give thanks to Jehovah, you people! Call upon his name. Make known among the peoples his dealings. Make mention that his name is put on high.”
Ezek. 38:17, 23: “This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said, ‘ . . . And I shall certainly magnify myself and sanctify myself and make myself known before the eyes of many nations; and they will have to know that I am Jehovah.’”
Mal. 3:16: “Those in fear of Jehovah spoke with one another, each one with his companion, and Jehovah kept paying attention and listening. And a book of remembrance began to be written up before him for those in fear of Jehovah and for those thinking upon his name.”

John 17:26: “[Jesus prayed to his Father:]
I have made your name known to them [his followers] and will make it known, in order that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them.”
(note: this shows jesus is a seperate person from jehovah, moreover the union jesus had with humans call for a serious explanation from those who believe in trinity)

Acts 15:14: “Symeon has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name.”


Is Jehovah jesus?

Matt. 4:10: “Jesus said to him: ‘Go away, Satan! For it is written, “It is Jehovah [“the Lord,” king James version and others] your God you must
worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.”’” (Jesus was obviously not saying that he himself was to be worshiped.)

John 8:54: “Jesus answered [the Jews]: ‘If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father that glorifies me, he who you say is your God.’” (The Hebrew Scriptures clearly identify Jehovah as the God that the Jews professed to worship. Jesus said, not hat he himself was Jehovah, but that Jehovah was his Father. Jesus here made it very clear that he and his Father were distinct individuals.)

Ps. 110:1: “The utterance of Jehovah to my [David’s] Lord is: ‘Sit at my right hand until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.’” (At Matthew 22:41-45, Jesus explained that he himself was David’s “Lord,” referred to in this psalm. So Jesus is not Jehovah but is the one to whom Jehovah’s words were here directed.)

Phil. 2:9-11: “For this very reason also God exalted him [Jesus Christ] to a superior
position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name,(note: jesus did not have the name ascribed to here, but was giving,) so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground, and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.(note: to the glory of who? The father. Jesus is not the father. Notice that Jesus Christ is here shown to be different from God the Father and subject to Him.)

Jesus used God’s name.

In prayer, Jesus told Jehovah: “I have made your name known to them [Jesus’ disciples] and will make it known.” Why did Jesus make the divine name known to his disciples? He continued: “In order that the love with which
you [God] loved me may be in them and I in union with them.”—John 17:26.

Jesus is not jehovah, jesus is not the father, jesus is not the one true God. The father is the one true God and god of jesus.

[quote author=OLAADEGBU post=28603871]This are the questions again

I asked :
1)what is a God. (what do u
understand by the term God)
2) what do you understand by the term Christ)
3) can you qoute and explain to us proverbs 8: 20 to 31

4) is the person jesus the same as the person father?

OLAADEGBU:
Jesus Possesses the Authority of God (Continued)

Jesus always spoke in His own divine authority. He never said, "Thus saith the Lord" as did the prophets; He always said, "Verily, verily, I say unto you. . . ." He never retracted anything He said, never guessed or spoke with uncertainty, never made revisions, never contradicted himself, and never apologized for what He said. He even asserted, "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away" (Mark 13:31), hence elevating His words directly to the realm of heaven.

Source: https://answersingenesis.org/jesus-christ/jesus-is-god/is-jesus-god/

Sir, I'm going to discuss some of the assertions you made on jesus and his attributes, but can u first of All answer the questions I asked you ? Pls do answer them , so that we can have a better understanding of trinity .
Moreover , some , if not all of the attributes you claim jesus had have been debunked in previous replies to you. You have refused to comment on the scriptures used to debunk your claim and have become evasive.
I will repeat some of those sriptures and add more, but first of all , answer the 4 questions I asked please

Syncan:
Yes Jesus is Yahweh. I am sure I have said that before here. You may ask your other brothers in"God created the world through a god". They could show you my posts, since you've not been reading.

Thanks for answering my post .


question,
Is the person of jesus the same as the father.?

Ur answer no.
Mr oladeegbu, is this statement true?

Is there any verse that says jesus is jehovah , or are u attributing jesus is also called jehovah because of ur belief that jesus is God ?

OLAADEGBU:
Read up on the link I suggested in the OP for answers to your questions.

Sir, we are having a discussion on these thread. If I want to show u something from the bible or any book , I post (sometimes, copy and paste ) it here for all to see. Pls dnt direct me to a link. If you want to show, tell me anything , or u want to answer my question , post it here So that everyone will see. I'm not the one to start searching for answers to the questions I asked you, if you really want to answer the questions , you will post the answers for us to see.

You should know most of the people reading this thread are searching for the thruth, and anybody ready to try and speak the truth must be ready to take time and post the truth. Dnt direct us to any link .

I asked for simple questions , pls answer in ur own words or in words you believe in .
We have been having discussion with someone who we believe has a different understanding of trinity when compared to yours, hence we are asking questions to clarify the differences first, before we go into the main discussion .

OLAADEGBU:
Questions, questions and more questions. When will you come to the knowledge of the truth? God is the uncreated infinite Creator of all things.

Let me start you off on Isaiah 43:10

"You are my witnesses, says the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that you may know and believe me, and understand that I am He: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour" (Isaiah 43:10-11).

How does a creature become a God? Please educate us.

Sir , pls dnt be angry , I ask questions so that I can have a better understanding of ur belief.

I refer to someone else post because what he said about trinity is different from what you are saying about trinity.
So if I or anyone is to belief in trinity, we have to know which of the statements on trinity is true, is it your or his?. Hence, the effort in trying to bring him into the topic to state his own side.

Now to the issue on the question I asked .

I asked :
1)what is a God. (what do u
understand by the term God)
2) what do you understand by the term Christ)
3) can you qoute and explain to us proverbs 8: 20 to 31


You answered:
Questions, questions and more questions.
When will you come to the knowledge of the truth? God is the uncreated infinite Creator
of all things.
Let me start you off on Isaiah 43:10 "You are my witnesses, says the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that you may know and believe me, and understand that I am He: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour " (Isaiah
43:10-11).
How does a creature become a God?
Please educate us


My comment :

Sir, on question (1) above, I asked what a God is , as both secular and biblical sources have made mention of many Gods, so that y I asked the question "what is a god" ? Y are they called Gods.
By ur answer u can see you have not answered question (1).

You have not answered question (2 )

You have not answered question (3) also.

Sorry pls, there is a 4th question

(4) is jesus the father? What I mean is that the person called the father, is he also the person called the son?

When you answer this questions , I will have a better understanding of ur view of trinity. Then I can be able to comment on your posts