 Christianity Etc › Re: Churches Now Tolerate Religious Leaders Who Molest Kids» Watchtower by dolphinheart(m): 6:28pm On Nov 18, 2014 |
paulGrundy:
"First accused of gross indecency in 1979, one priest was recently sentenced to four years in prison after pleading guilty to 36 charges!
Usually these cases are hushed up, and no significant disciplinary action is taken. Perhaps a priest is transferred to another parish or duty, where the depravity might start again. On this occasion the archbishop was moved to resign after stating: We are a sinful church. We are naked. Our anger, our pain, our anguish, our shame are clear to the whole world. And even worse, the church hierarchy failed to act decisively. They were accused of being more concerned about the offending priests than about the victims." Awake! 1990 November 8 p.31
"Even Churches that condemn immorality have tolerated religious leaders who have sexually abused children." The End of False Religion is Near! (2006) p.2
A BROTHER CANNOT BE ACCUSED OF HIS PAST WRONG DOING (including pedophilia) AFTER 3YEARS OF SERVING AS AN ELDER
The 1972 book Organization for Kingdom-Preaching and Disciple-Making stated:
"If a person was serving as an elder or a ministerial servant when he committed a serious wrong, even though it was some years ago, he bears a degree of reprehensibility, for he continued to serve in that position though knowing that he had, for the time at least, disqualified himself, not being then free from accusation. (1 Tim. 3:2, 10; Titus 1:6,7) He should have informed the judicial committee that he did not adhere to the requirements and should have stepped down from his position. In view of his failure to do this at that time, he would now be removed from that position."
The term some years ago was clarified shortly afterwards in the Kingdom Ministry 1972 p.8 as a time period of three years:
"What was meant by some years ago on page 170, paragraph two, in the Organization book? This indicates more than a year or two. It may be noted that it did not say many years ago. So it is not the exact number of years, but more like two or three years. It was not intended to have a brother go back into the distant past to bring up wrongs of which he repented years ago and that have evidently been forgiven by Jehovah and are not practiced now." Can u post a link to these books or paste the page where u took ur quotes from? Reason: cus I dnt trust u, u have made a false accusation before which u failed to defend and refuse to correct. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: "What Is Abraham’s Bosom?" by dolphinheart(m): 4:48pm On Nov 18, 2014 |
@op, still have a lot to ask, can we have ur view on the questions I asked? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: "What Is Abraham’s Bosom?" by dolphinheart(m): 12:48am On Nov 18, 2014 |
CAPTIVATOR:
@ Dolphin Heart ...... You Are A Confirm Truth-seeker !!! I Love That Thanks a lot, ill take that as a compliment. But in reality, knowing the truth means a lot to us as humans. I'm not asking these questions for myself only , but for anyone who seeks better understanding of the scriptures. I'm learning a lot from the op. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: "What Is Abraham’s Bosom?" by dolphinheart(m): 2:13pm On Nov 17, 2014*. Modified: 2:36pm On Nov 17, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU:
Good. We are making progress.
Again, going back to Scriptures:
"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul" (Genesis 2:7).
Though humans and animals both possess "breath" (soul), human's breath were imparted to him directly by God. Animals breath was imparted indirectly. Man, as in Adam, is not only a body of the created earth, he is also a consciousness of the created soul, he is also a third created entity, which is the image of God, an eternal spirit capable of communion and fellowship with his Maker. Read Genesis 1:26-27.
You are correct in saying that Adam became rather than had a soul. Adam lived and became aware of himself, he became a living soul according to Scriptures. That has been my submission, even in the other thread where Gombs was and is still arguing otherwise.
"In the sweat of thy face shall you eat bread, till you return unto the ground, for out of it were you taken: for dust you are, and unto dust shall you return" (Genesis 3:19).
Adam was also a physical being, his body was to return to the earth from which he was formed.
"Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it" (Ecclesiastes 12:7).
The spirit bolded here does not die but lives on with or without God eternally.
"And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden" (Genesis 3:8.)
Adam before the Fall was the only man made in the image of God. Adam could communicate with God who is Spirit through his spiritual body.
Before the fall, God had set the spirit of man to influence and control the soul and body hence Paul prayed in this order: spirit, soul and body. The spiritual body of Adam could easily communicate with God in the cool of the day when God came visiting because there was a link between the spirit and the soul of man that enabled this relationship with God.
At the Fall of Man, the mysterious link between the spirit and soul was destroyed and this short circuited Adam's free communication with God.
"For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart" (Hebrews 4:12)
For the descendants of Adam to regain this communication with God today their spiritual bodies needs to be reawakened so that we can worship God in spirit and in truth.
"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship Him: God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship Him in spirit and in truth" (John 4:23-24).
With the biblical references above we can deduce that our spiritual bodies are the link between us and the spirit world because the spirit world cannot be seen or measured with anything physical.
Through the Holy Spirit, our spirits are able to communicate with and worship God, but the Scripture in Hebrews 4:12 that I earlier quoted shows that it is not God's will for us to regain the conscious control of our spirit bodies while we remain here on earth in our sinful condition. This is the reason the Word of God cuts in between the spirit and the soul and once this happens the soul can no longer control the spirit body.
Be my guest. 
Scripture in the OT:
"Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it" (Ecclesiastes 12:7).
Scripture in the NT:
"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell" (Matthew 10:28.) Ur posts brings about the following statements and questions. You are using the same analogy I have issues with and which I told you to explain further using the scriptures. That analogy is that the breath of life contains both the spirit and the soul. Pls answer the questions using the scriptures. 1. Is Adam a soul or was giving a soul. 2. Do you have any scriptural statement that says " the breath of life contains both soul and spirit. 3. What do you mean that the breath of life was giving to animals indirectly. I do not think the bible specifically stated the process of animals becoming souls? (My view is that since animals are also created from dust and are living creatures, then there creation process follows that of the creation process of man. The only difference is that man is created in gods image ) 4. If Adam has consciousness because he had/he is a soul , do animals have consciousness too and y? 5. If animals have souls/ are souls, what happens to them when they die. 6. So if the spirit (breath )returns to God when Adam died and the body returns to the ground where it came from , where does the soul go, what happens to it after death? The issue on spirit will be disccused later as we have agreed that the soul and spirit are not the same. What u stated is not an answer to my question 7. U stated that adam and his descendants lost the means to walk with God or have conversations with God due to Adams sin. And I ask , what's the difference between Adams conversation /walking with God /hearing Gods voice communicating with god and his descendants ability to do same. What is it that Adam did that any of his descendants could/did not do? You stated what happens to the spirit when man dies. You did not state what happens to the body and soul here (though u have stated what happens to the body earlier and I agree with u) 8.what happens to all soul when they die. 9. You stated that the soul (consciousness control the spirit and body. Does/can the body or spirit control our soul(consciousness)? Pls explain further on these nine questions using the scriptures. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: "What Is Abraham’s Bosom?" by dolphinheart(m): 10:15pm On Nov 14, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU:
Scripture for body and soul: Genesis 2:7
"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul"
You can see that the human body was formed out of the dust of the ground (elements of the earth) and science has proved that the earth consists of the same materials as what is made up of the body i.e. carbon, hydrogen, oxygen etc. and this fact has been anticipated by Scriptures.
In that verse you will also come across the phrase breath of life. The human breath is the same word as spirit and soul were imparted to him directly by God and man became a living soul. The body was formed and then became a living soul after God had directly breathed into it.
Adam lived and became aware of himself. As a matter of fact, our self is our soul which manifests in our mind, our will and our emotions.
Scripture for our spirits: 1 Corinthians 15:44
"...There is a natural body and there is a spiritual body"
"I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knows); such an one caught up to the third heaven. And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knows); How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which is not lawful for a man to utter" (2 Corinthians 12:2-4).
"After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me, which said, Come up hither, and I will show you things which must be hereafter. And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one set on the throne" (Revelation 4:1-2).
Demarcation between soul and spirit of man: Hebrews 4:12
"For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart"
Adam at the beginning, before he fell from grace, was able to relate and see the spirit world just as he could see the physical world by the use of his spiritual body. He had the ability to walk and talk with God without difficulties in the Garden of Eden. He had a conscious awareness of his physical body just as he did have a conscious awareness of his spiritual body. His soul, which is the conscious intellect and will, controlled both his physical and spiritual bodies. When he sinned, spiritual death took place, that is, Adam and his descendants were no longer consciously aware of their spiritual body, and thus could not continue with the Lord as he had always done.
As to what happens to the human's body, soul and spirit when he dies see what our Lord Jesus said in the OP
"And I say to you, My friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear Him who, after He has killed, has power to cast into hell; yes, I say to you, fear Him!" (Luke 12:4-5). Sir, after reading ur post above, the following are what I could deduce from it The scripture and you stated that man is made of dust(I agree) That God gave him the breathe of life and he became a living soul (I agree) My problem comes from the statement that the breathe of life contains both the spirit and soul ( pls I need further scriptural evidence of that) The bible verse quoted explains that it was because of the breathe of life that was blown into the nostril of Adams body that made Adam become a living soul. Pls correct me if I'm wrong but that verse never said Adam had a soul , bit rather became one through a particular process. Therefore my view is that Adam became aware because he was a soul, "became a living soul" and not because he had a soul. I also have these view cus of what God told Adam when he sinned which is " from dust you are and dust you will become" (sorry if I quoted it wrongly) U also said that Adam soul could control both his spiritual and physical body but he and his descendants lost their spiritual awareness cus of sin and he and his descendants where no longer able to walk and converse with God cus of sin. I have issues with these statement because there are numerous accounts of decendants of Adam who had conversations with God. Now I will accept ur view if u can show me where Adams conversation with god is different from his descendants conversation with their creator. Furthermore, if the soul can or is controling the spirit and body, can the spirit or body control the soul? I have issues with the spirit body thing, and will state that later . As for what happens to the soul , spirit and body after death, sir u have still not explained that to me. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: "What Is Abraham’s Bosom?" by dolphinheart(m): 9:10pm On Nov 14, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU:
Scripture for body and soul: Genesis 2:7
"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul"
You can see that the human body was formed out of the dust of the ground (elements of the earth) and science has proved that the earth consists of the same materials as what is made up of the body i.e. carbon, hydrogen, oxygen etc. and this fact has been anticipated by Scriptures.
In that verse you will also come across the phrase breath of life. The human breath is the same word as spirit and soul were imparted to him directly by God and man became a living soul. The body was formed and then became a living soul after God had directly breathed into it.
Adam lived and became aware of himself. As a matter of fact, our self is our soul which manifests in our mind, our will and our emotions.
Scripture for our spirits: 1 Corinthians 15:44
"...There is a natural body and there is a spiritual body"
"I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knows); such an one caught up to the third heaven. And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knows); How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which is not lawful for a man to utter" (2 Corinthians 12:2-4).
"After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me, which said, Come up hither, and I will show you things which must be hereafter. And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one set on the throne" (Revelation 4:1-2).
Demarcation between soul and spirit of man: Hebrews 4:12
"For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart"
Adam at the beginning, before he fell from grace, was able to relate and see the spirit world just as he could see the physical world by the use of his spiritual body. He had the ability to walk and talk with God without difficulties in the Garden of Eden. He had a conscious awareness of his physical body just as he did have a conscious awareness of his spiritual body. His soul, which is the conscious intellect and will, controlled both his physical and spiritual bodies. When he sinned, spiritual death took place, that is, Adam and his descendants were no longer consciously aware of their spiritual body, and thus could not continue with the Lord as he had always done.
As to what happens to the human's body, soul and spirit when he dies see what our Lord Jesus said in the OP
"And I say to you, My friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear Him who, after He has killed, has power to cast into hell; yes, I say to you, fear Him!" (Luke 12:4-5). |
| Christianity Etc › Re: "What Is Abraham’s Bosom?" by dolphinheart(m): 3:56pm On Nov 14, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU:
With this submission of yours I will give you the benefit of the doubt believing that you are a sincere seeker of the truth and therefore oblige you.
As I said earlier, we human beings are tripartite beings, consisting of 3 separate parts, the spirit, the soul and the body. In the other thread I quoted 1 Thessalonians 5:23 where Paul says that all the 3 parts ought to be cleansed and committed to our Lord Jesus Christ and that He will keep them blameless till His coming.
"And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ"
Our spirit is where we relate with God and the spiritual world as the Lord permits while our physical bodies is what we use to relate in the physical world. Our soul is our conscious intellect, will, emotion etc.
Death, as the OP has pointed out can be seen as separation. Physical death is the separation of our body from our soul/spirit, while spiritual death is the separation of our soul from God.
Paul says again in 1 Corinthians 15:44
"...There is a natural body and there is a spiritual body"
Our spirits have a body that corresponds to our physical bodies and I believe that was why Paul could not distinguish between the two when he had the following vision/revelation:
"I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knows); such an one caught up to the third heaven. And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knows); How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which is not lawful for a man to utter" (2 Corinthians 12:2-4).
This shows the experience perceived by Paul's spirit and that his spirit was separated from his physical body. The paradise experienced by Paul is no longer at Abraham's bossom but has been relocated to the third heavens. Those whose spirit/souls are separated from their bodies are physically dead to this physical world and those who had no relationship with God through our Lord Jesus Christ are separated from God eternally in a place of torment as the rich man in the OP. Thank you for your post. pls note ill only be interested in statement that has scriptural backing. From ur post this is what I was able to gather. Man is made up of three parts based on ur explaination of 1 thesalonians 5.23. My question is 1. What is the body, soul and spirit using the bible to explain what each is? (dnt want personal opinion) 2. What happens to each of the parts when man dies. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: "What Is Abraham’s Bosom?" by dolphinheart(m): 1:11pm On Nov 14, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU:
I knew your intention was to derail this thread and that was the reason I directed you to the appropriate one but since you are bent on causing confusion, open a thread and I'll oblige you. I'm not opening any thread, my intentions are not to detail the thread or cause confusion. Rather like a Christian , I intend to know the thruth abouth the bible more and more. Hence the questions I asked initially. I'm not arguing with you , but ill rather keep on asking . What is the soul,spirit and body, and what happens to it when a man dies? Sir, my understanding of these will help in my understanding of abrahams bossom, hence the question. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Suggesting An Alternative: JW Rejection Of Blood Transfusion by dolphinheart(m): 11:21am On Nov 13, 2014 |
saintneo:
I don't see any solution for this one since JW can't accept blood from other people.
My suggestion was situations where death is preventable. In August 2012, two males where admitted in luth, idi araba after suffering same injury to the body . Though the cause and location of the accident where different but the resultant injury to the body was same. They where operated on successfully by same doctor with one taking blood transfusion during the operation and the other refusing blood due to his beliefs. Three weeks after the operation , both where in seriously bad conditions . The one who took blood fared better cus he had blood in his system, the one who refused blood had serious probs cus he always going in and out of consciousness and had no energy. The guy that refused blood is still alive today and doctors in Luth are using his procedure in treatment at seminars and other health related meetings to postulate the advantages of non blood transfusion in surgical operations. The guy that collected blood died few months after the operation from complications resulting from blood transfusion. He did not make it out of the hospital. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: self-service Leads To Homosexuality--watchtower by dolphinheart(m): 1:41pm On Nov 12, 2014 |
Yooguyz:
[size=13pt]the three versions of lies honeychild created about me[/size]
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https://www.nairaland.com/1881088/million-dollar-financial-fraud-involving
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And yes she is a jehovahs witness, she is lieing against me because I always criticize the watchtower. See how she was defending them in this thread.
https://www.nairaland.com/1881088/million-dollar-financial-fraud-involving Like I said earlier in a post, if u wanna defend allegations against you, you dnt do it by attacking the other persons personality or character. Reasonable people who read such kind of defence method will know that you are not answering the allegations but rather fighting the person who makes the allegation. Answer the following questions and wait till they can bring proove . If they can't, then u re right, if they can , then u have a case to answer. Questions: have u ever practiced/praticing homosexuality? Have you ever misappropriated church funds? Are u still a leader in ur church? On the issue of honeychild defending her organization( according to u o!), I do believe believe she has a right to do that, expecially when d allegations are malicious and false. Summary(personal, still open for ur input)of the discussion in the thread. You stated that the organization committed fraud. (which was false) She defended by saying that it was not the organization , but an individual in the organization . She went further by stating that when such individual is made known, he is removed from the organization, and these u agreed with. U went further to state that the fraudstar is an elder, and since the organization says that elders are appointed by the holy spirit, he should be above board. Me I'm now jumping in to ask the flowing questions; Saul, David, Solomon(the wisest on earth)where they annointed by God or not, did they commit wrongdoings or not? Does being annointed by the holy spirit mean u re above mistakes? The most intriguing part of ur argument with her is when u claimed that the organization allows elders to continue if the crime they committed have gone three years before it was discovered (another wrong accusation). From your quote, she was able to explain that that is not what they meant, she said that if an elder commited a sin years before it was found out, he is still liable for such sin , and the necessary must be done. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: "What Is Abraham’s Bosom?" by dolphinheart(m): 12:46pm On Nov 12, 2014 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: self-service Leads To Homosexuality--watchtower by dolphinheart(m): 4:40pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
Yooguyz:
no I am not Paulgrundy!
BERNIMORE is a well known troll who trolls people holding non-watchtower views, he calls anyone that does not hold the watchtower worldview YOOGUYZ.
Here in this thread a moniker is calling him a child because he accused him of being YOOGUYZ
https://www.nairaland.com/1939359/intl-passport-jw-past-presidents
I believe you are a smart young man, if you want to know more about paulGrundy don't listen to trolls go:
Jwfacts.com
As him any question on: jwfacts.mobi Now u have started doing the right thing. Its now left for other nairalanders to look at both arguements and come to there personal and private conclusions . And pls can u kindly align ur post to comform with the watchtower statement (being the source of ur post) so that others can have their view on the topic based on correct info? I do not have to know paul grundy through any website. Thought paul grundy is on nairaland. Let him defend himself through this medium. If I have time , I can then look and try to see if pauly on the website is same as pauly on nairaland. But that is if he makes post that I feel I can discourse with him. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: self-service Leads To Homosexuality--watchtower by dolphinheart(m): 11:33am On Nov 11, 2014 |
Yooguyz:
https://www.nairaland.com/1990742/bernimore-truthislight-canticles-loveroftruth-biblespeaks Bro 1. Does this have anything to do with straightening your post and aligning it with the source? . 2. Proving someone/some people are lying agaist you is better than finding fault in their character too. 3. I do not have an oppinion yet on bernimores post cus I have not seen or read ur own side or defence . But now that I know that u have an interest in bernimores post, ill take ur refusal to refute the allegations as accepting the fact that bernimore is right,untill u defend the allegations. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: self-service Leads To Homosexuality--watchtower by dolphinheart(m): 10:13pm On Nov 10, 2014 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: self-service Leads To Homosexuality--watchtower by dolphinheart(m): 2:30pm On Nov 10, 2014 |
paulGrundy:
What the watchtower said about homosexuality is in the opening post, i don't see any need of quoting it again, I made sure I properly referenced the quotes, if you have any doubts, the references are there for verification
It seems you missed the part where I said for example. I will only using an hypothetical situation to make an illustration.
Refer to the opening post. Your post (dated : less than two days ago)self service leads to homosexuality. Watchtower posts (dated 38 to 41 years ago) Unclean practices , such as self service , which can be a stepping stone to homosexualty, have been dealt with in a serious yet understanding way to help individuals keep clean and pure in jehovahs eyes. Self service , can lead into homosexuality. Conclusion: ur statement and the watchtower statement are different in wordings, idea, meaning and concept. The conclusion an individual can reach from both statements are totally different. Bringing an x factor or other factors remaining constant with the use hypothetical situation to make an illustration does not in anyway merge the two statements. Please let everyone reading your post know where u stand on the issue by the watchtower. Do not twist there statement with hypothesis but rather explain what ur view is on the statement by the watchtower. If uou refuse to align your statements or post with the source of the post which according to you is the watchtower, ill be left to believe that you have an ulterior motive . And that motive is not to make people come to know about the unclean act of self service, but to make people think that the watchtower is making false statement , whereby it is you that is allocating false statement to them though your x factor hypothesis. Ill still continue to think you have good intentions and will correct your post to align with the source of the post. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: self-service Leads To Homosexuality--watchtower by dolphinheart(m): 1:31pm On Nov 10, 2014 |
franklingud:
False, what abt me dat has been servicing masef 4 abt 8 yrs now, any homo dat comes my way, u go kill am die sharp sharp!!.. If u wan spoil yasef, spoil yasef no come my way o!! What is false, the op statement or the watchtower statement? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: self-service Leads To Homosexuality--watchtower by dolphinheart(m): 10:45am On Nov 10, 2014 |
paulGrundy:
Am not retracting my original stance. When for example I say:
Obesity can lead to death
Obesity leads to death,
It is not contradictory, when I did was that I put the occurence of X variable under probability considering other factors. But what am saying is all things being equal, obesity leads to death. This situation can be applied to the watchtower.
What am honestly seeing here is jehovahs witnesses skeptical about what their watchtower teaches. This calls to question if the watchtower really teach the truth. Bro, I still want to believe that you are sincere with the topic. You said watchtower said something about self service, can you please state what they said ? It is when we know what the watchtower stated that we can then know if they are skeptical or not. Pls, for us ordinary people to understand the issue under discussion , do not put the occurrence of x variable under probability considering other factors (wateva that means) pls allow the readers do the mathematics themselves. All things being equal, obesity leads to death? Haba! Bros no let medical personnel here dis one o! For us not to argue or make mistakes, can you state for other readers here what the watchtower said about self service ? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: self-service Leads To Homosexuality--watchtower by dolphinheart(m): 9:42pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
paulGrundy:
Why do jehovahs witnesses emphasis on the words 'can' 'could' ?
Is it that the don't believe what the watchtower said? I emphasis on it because I want to know the truth about what the watchtower said. Pls which of the statements below did the watchtower state. 1. Self service can lead to homosexuality. 2. Self service leads to homosexuality. With my small English , I'm able to understand that the two statements have different meanings and portray different idealogy. Mind u, I never said they did not say any , but which one . That's what ill like u to comfirm before we move on to why they said it , when they said it and what we can learn from it. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: self-service Leads To Homosexuality--watchtower by dolphinheart(m): 3:14pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
duni04:
I'm not even going to bother searching cos it doesn't even make sense. If more than 90% of men masturbatê, then going by your research, 90% of men are homosexual deviants? Masturbation is even worse with teenagers where almost 100% of them would have masturbated to orgásm by their 18th birthday (USA). So all teenagers are definitely going to be homosexual deviats? Common sense please!
http://www.healthystrokes.com/young.html U guys are falling for the op's trick, the writers said "can lead" and not "will lead". |
| Christianity Etc › Re: self-service Leads To Homosexuality--watchtower by dolphinheart(m): 3:09pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
Alfred234:
what kind of lie is this? They make it sound like masturbation is some kind of app that just got an update with a special feature dat leads to homosexuality. If masturbation equals homosexuality then 70% of the world's population would b homosexuals considering the fact that most people of this generation masturbates. if they said that group masturbation between people of the same sex can lead to homosexuality then i would agree but this one they said is total bull crap. The issue here and with your post is that the op wants to score some cheap points by twisting the statements made by the writers of the issue being discussed. The statement says "self service CAN lead to homosexuality" while the op deliberately removed "CAN " which totally changes what the writer is aiming at. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: "What Is Abraham’s Bosom?" by dolphinheart(m): 1:19pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
Sir, pls with bible quotes, can u explain to me the three things that u said man is made of ? What happens to this three after death. 2. U said we go to hell or heaven, but someone told me of people who first went to hell then to heaven, need more explnation on that. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Today is all souls - What Does The Bible Say About Praying For The Dead? by dolphinheart(m): 1:04pm On Nov 02, 2014 |
JusConcept:
Praying for the dead is not a biblical concept.
Our prayers have no bearing on someone once he or she has died. The reality is that, at the point of death, one’s eternal destiny is confirmed. Either he is saved through faith in Christ and is in heaven where he is experiencing rest and joy in God’s presence, or he is in torment in hell. The story of the rich man and Lazarus the beggar provides us with a vivid illustration of this truth. Jesus plainly used this story to teach that after death the unrighteous are eternally separated from God, that they remember their rejection of the gospel, that they are in torment, and that their condition cannot be remedied (Luke 16:19-31).
Often, people who have lost a loved one are encouraged to pray for those who have passed away and for their families. Of course, we should pray for those grieving, but for the dead, no. No one should ever believe that someone may be able to pray for him, thereby effecting some kind of favorable outcome, after he has died. The Bible teaches that the eternal state of mankind is determined by our actions during our lives on earth. “The soul who sins is the one who will die. . . . The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him” (Ezekiel 18:20).
The writer to the Hebrews tells us, “Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment” (Hebrews 9:27). Here we understand that no change in one’s spiritual condition can be made following his death—either by himself or through the efforts of others. If it is useless to pray for the living, who are committing “a sin that leads to death” (1 John 5:16), i.e., continual sin without seeking God’s forgiveness, how could prayer for those who are already dead benefit them, since there is no post-mortem plan of salvation?
The point is that each of us has but one life, and we are responsible for how we live that life. Others may influence our choices, but ultimately we must give an account for the choices we make. Once life is over, there are no more choices to be made; we have no choice but to face judgment. The prayers of others may express their desires, but they won’t change the outcome. The time to pray for a person is while he or she lives and there is still the possibility of his or her heart, attitudes, and behavior being changed (Romans 2:3-9).
It is natural to have a desire to pray in times of pain, suffering, and loss of loved ones and friends, but we know the boundaries of valid prayer as revealed in the Bible. The Bible is the only official prayer manual, and it teaches that prayers for the dead are futile. Yet we find the practice of praying for the dead observed in certain areas of “Christendom.” Roman Catholic theology, for example, allows for prayers both to the dead and on behalf of them. But even Catholic authorities admit that there is no explicit authorization for prayers on behalf of the dead in the sixty-six books of canonical Scripture. Instead, they appeal to the Apocrypha (2 Maccabees 12:46), church tradition, the decree of the Council of Trent, etc., to defend the practice.
The Bible teaches that those who have yielded to the Savior’s will (Hebrews 5:8-9) enter directly and immediately into the presence of the Lord after death (Luke 23:43; Philippians 1:23; 2 Corinthians 5:6,  . What need, then, do they have for the prayers of people on the earth? While we sympathize with those who have lost dear ones, we must bear in mind that “now is the time of God’s favor, now is the day of salvation” (2 Corinthians 6:2). While the context refers to the gospel age as a whole, the verse is fitting for any individual who is unprepared to face the inevitable—death and the judgment that follows (Romans 5:12; 1 Corinthians 15:26; Hebrews 9:27). Death is final, and after that, no amount of praying will avail a person of the salvation he has rejected in life. I do agree on ur view on praying for the dead. But are u also saying that man goes to heaven or hell immediately he dies,based on his actions or inactions while alive? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Femi Aribasala On Trinity Doctrine by dolphinheart(m): 2:04pm On Oct 22, 2014 |
shdemidemi:
Bless God, the bible says if we look for Him well enough, we will definitely find Him. It is really a mystery that can be unraveled by the study of the bible and most especially the settings. I will present this in another dimension just to avoid tautology.
This entire saga that led to the creation of man cropped up from the angelic conflict. I believe you know the story, Lucifer tries to make himself equal to God. God thumped Lucifer with condemnation and through resentment he called God a wicked God that does not forgive. God decides to make man, by virtue of providence God knew man will fall and He also knew He would display His love and mercy to mankind to showcase how merciful and forgiving He really is.
God created man, man fell, God had to come and pay the ransom of bringing human kind back to Himself through a physical image of Himself known as Jesus. Hence, anyone who believe in that sacrifice is forgiven and saved from damnation. Salvation became a free gift to all who will believe. 1. U have still not told me what trinity is 2. Are u saying that man was created cus the spirit creatures where fighting? (pls include scriptural prove) 3. Where and when did Satan call god wicked, after the condemnation or before? 4. Where is it stated that god knows man will fail. (the issue of choice comes into play here cus I thought he always gave us a choice and tells us the benefit and disbenefit of our choices) 5. So god planned the whole human scenario, our present sufferings and pain, hunger and sickness just to prove to another spirit creature that he is a merciful and forgiving god? Pls I want direct and concise scriptural quotes on these o! This ur explanation speak more on duality (god and Jesus) rather than on three individuals (god , Jesus, holy spirit )q |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Femi Aribasala On Trinity Doctrine by dolphinheart(m): 5:45pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
shdemidemi:
Did you read my rebuttal? If you did, I will rather have you respond to that rather than make another blanket statement. I've been reading books and quotes on the trinity topic for years and I still don't understand it . For one, different people have different explanation on their believe in the trinity. Two, some say its a mystery and I can't as a layman understand it. So please, in laymans English and with bible quotes that does not further contexualiztion (sorry for d oyinbo )please, what is the trinity ? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: OPINION: Should Christian Leaders Contest For Political Offices? by dolphinheart(m): 9:40pm On Oct 13, 2014 |
enm:
I still don't understand some people stance on the issue. If Christian are the light of the world, what stop us from contesting for elective position or seeking to be a politician.
All we need to is to continue to constantly pray for the grace and strength of the Lord God so as not to fall to the evil manipulation of the enemy.
Politics in Nigeria today is dirty and bloody because good men who has the fear of God in them are staying away from politics. If what we claimed is true that " we know the God we serve" then why are we scared of going to politics. I You want to play football on the devils field, with the devils rule and the devil as referee, Who you think say go win. God is a god of theocracy and not democracy. |
