Christianity Etc › Re: Can Hellfire Be Morally Justified? by dorox(op): 7:21pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
Scholar8200: Justifies? A student has the choice to either pass or fail, and if the teacher does his job very well, he(teacher) is not to blame if one chooses not to pass!
point is, there are just two options and we have our free will. Just as it will be unjust to give a pass mark to a student who fails woefully... No one is disputing the fact that a teacher has the right to set an exam and to pass or fail his students according to their performance, what is in contention is the penalty for failure. Imagine being asked to write an exam where a failed result means that your eyes will be plucked out of their sockets and your four limbs will be chopped off. Would you say that is a fair exam? Hellfire is much worse than that. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Can Hellfire Be Morally Justified? by dorox(op): 5:27pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
Scholar8200: It is all about the consequence of a choice. Would you say God should give Eternal rest to all? Yes but not all will receive it, what then?! So are you saying that the opportunity of having eternal bliss in heaving justifies eternal torture? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Can Hellfire Be Morally Justified? by dorox(op): 12:22pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
lekkie073: since we r not leaving this world with our bodies, what does the fire in hell want to burn?  The op is about whether hell assuming it exist is morally right or wrong. So if you believe sinners are going to hell explain why it doesn't make God a wicked monster. And if you don't belive hellfire exist make a case of why it's existence will mean that God is evil. |
Christianity Etc › Can Hellfire Be Morally Justified? by dorox(op): 12:11pm On Apr 20, 2016*. Modified: 8:15pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
The belief that God will punish unrepentant sinners in hellfire for eternity is a doctrine that is held among people of diverse religions and across various sects of the same religion. I would like for us to discuss the morality of this belief and see if we can come to any moral justification of eternal torture. Inorder words can a suitable contextual framework be found that justifies the evil of hell? For example killing another human being is evil but if the killing is framed in the context of defending one' s family from marauding bandits, then a case can be made that the love for family and the duty to protect that love justifies the use of evil in that particular situation.
Since the reason for opening this thread is to discuss the morality of hell and to see if it is compatible with the notion of God, any scriptures can be quoted from whichever religion one subsribes to including viewpoints from oral African religions are welcomed. It is assumed for the purpose of this discussion that hell is real, so it will be pointless and a waste of space to quote scriptures in support of the proposition that hell is real. What our argument and scriptures (for those who chose to quote one) should attempt to do is make a case that justifies hellfire as morally right and compatible with the attributes of God, or morally wrong and incompatible with the attributes of God. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Can This Be True (pic) Fish Rain by dorox(m): 7:51am On Apr 20, 2016 |
donnelly: from your finding, what actually happened A truck carrying a fish tank had an accident that spilled it's cargo of thousands of kilograms of fish and water on the road. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Can This Be True (pic) Fish Rain by dorox(m): 8:02pm On Apr 19, 2016*. Modified: 8:18pm On Apr 19, 2016 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by dorox(m): 7:39pm On Apr 19, 2016 |
Medicis: Hello! Pls are you an atheist or Muslim? I'll really wanna know your faith b4 I respond. Last I checked atheist are not in the habit of using scriptures to argue their point and muslims also believe in the immortality of the soul, so it will safe to conclude that he is neither of those. |
Christianity Etc › Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by dorox(m): 1:15pm On Apr 19, 2016 |
Medicis: Every soul is immortal. ETERNAL LIFE is when you spend your immortality with Jesus in heaven and ETERNAL CONTEMPT is when you spend your immortality in hell. The Devil is immortal but doesn't have eternal life. In explaining death to Adam God said to him from dust you are and to dust you shall return. In orderwords you are made out of dust and at death you shall return to your initial state which is lifeless dust. That is why Solomon says in Ecclesiastes 3:19,20 For the fate of the sons of men and the fate of beasts is the same. As one dies so dies the other; indeed, they all have the same breath and there is no advantage for man over beast, for all is vanity. 20All go to the same place. All came from the dust and all return to the dust.… Nothing was said about us having an immortal soul, it says that at death we are no different from animals. It is this death that Jesus came to deliver us from by presenting his perfect life as a ransome for our salvation as stated in John 17:3 which I won't quote because it is all too familiar. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Salvation Or Abusive Blackmail by dorox(m): 12:17pm On Apr 19, 2016*. Modified: 8:30pm On Apr 19, 2016 |
Josh from the illustration given by the op is a bad man whose relationship with Mary is abusive, and his love for her is like a prison of nightmares that anyone would be happy to be freed from. It would be disingenuous for us to say that there is no truth to what the op is saying and to dismiss it as unworthy of deliberation. However we slice and dice it, the concept of everlasting torture in fire can never be reconciled with a loving God. Continuing with the analogy of the op, let us assume that Mary owes her existence to Joseph her creator who made her out of clay and gave her the ability to think and feel. Most religions believes that if Mary does not please her master/ creator he has the right to keep her in a furnace that is so hot and painful but incapable of killing her as an everlasting punishment for her disobedience of a few years. How sick is that? To me this is the height of wickedness, bringing someone into existence of your free will and not giving the person a choice to stop existing should the person choose to do so. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Lightning Kills Women In Church In Imo (photo) by dorox(m): 7:13am On Apr 18, 2016 |
CoolUsername: But.. But.. What about faith? Faith doesn't stop lightning common sense does. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Lightning Kills Women In Church In Imo (photo) by dorox(m): 1:12pm On Apr 17, 2016 |
vchykp: I'm sorry about the incident tho, may the deceased RIP.. TB Joshua's case is a different thing, if a building collapses, it could be tagged as the carelessness of the architecture, quote me any where(traditionally/spiritually).. Buh thunder is not an ordinary thing,in village, it is believed that whoever thunder strikes is evil and should not be buried in d community,nd now dis ones died in church, prayer warrior for that mata and u think God is happy with them?.. If the building had proper protection against lightningy strike I am sure this unfortunate incident could have been avoided, so blame the deaths on the building contractor for failing to adhere to proper building codes. It is unfortunate that there are millions of Nigerians like you still holding on to superstitious beliefs like the quote in bold that has no place in the 21st century. You should know that with access to the internet ignorance is now seen as a choice. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Eat Your Tithe Before The Lord by dorox(m): 12:19pm On Apr 17, 2016*. Modified: 12:59pm On Apr 17, 2016 |
Annunaki: Lovely quote, very Succint.  Thank you. That is why I only argue tithing with a tithe payer, doing so with a tithe collector is just an exercise in futility. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Hebrews 7:9, Should A Pastor, General Overseer Pay Tithe And To Who If So? by dorox(m): 12:08pm On Apr 17, 2016 |
goodnews201668: Then should general overseers, founders and pastors pay tithe? Hebrews 7:9 They do pay tithe to the church, it just so happens that they are the church. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Lightning Kills Women In Church In Imo (photo) by dorox(m): 11:21am On Apr 17, 2016 |
vchykp: So you mean this is the 1st lightning the church has experienced?.. And in the whole village, its only the church of God that has more casualties?.. Don't you know the church is a place of refuge?.. My bro/sis let's wake-up to reality, this are the ones that funicate and come to church, this are the ones that conducts abominable act in the name of ministry,God is simply angry with this ones, and anyone that survived with injury, should know its a warning for him/her to stop abormination in church. Two people just died and a third was injured yet you are here pontificating on how those women must have deserved it instead of being sad for the loss of lives. Accidents like this though uncommon does happen at random every once in awhile, it has nothing to do with God or Devil, adhering to the correct building code can help to eliminate such risk almost completely. If such ill fortune only befalls people engaging in abominable acts, then TB Joshua is a blood sucking demon since his building came crashing down like the walls of Jericho killing over a hundred people. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Lightning Kills Women In Church In Imo (photo) by dorox(m): 10:36am On Apr 17, 2016 |
patrickbon: fake church Why do you think the church is fake? If it is because of the tragic incident that happened there, then by that measure one could say that TB Joshua has been proven to be even more of a fake pastor when his building came crashing down like the walls of Jericho crushing to death more than a hundred worshipers. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Lightning Kills Women In Church In Imo (photo) by dorox(m): 9:49am On Apr 17, 2016 |
I won't be surprised if the church building does not have a lightning conductor. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Eat Your Tithe Before The Lord by dorox(m): 9:27am On Apr 17, 2016 |
jayriginal: You're a Bayelsa man not a Levite. This is what happens when you ask a man to understand the same thing that his livelihood depends on him not understanding. It is a difficult thing to ask of any man. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Economic Hardship V Tithe/ Offering by dorox(m): 9:00am On Apr 17, 2016 |
My friend, things are still ok for you, by the time it becomes really difficult, when you are not sure if come next month there will still be a roof over your head, when your children wake up with a cry of hunger and go to bed with very little food in their bellies, when all your credit lines have been over extended you will not need someone to tell you that paying tithe is not essential to your survival.
I guess you don't have much savings if any, living from hand to mouth. The ten percent you have been paying to your pastor is what should have been going into your savings account to act as abuffer for such times when a rough patch is hit. |
Science/Technology › Re: Simplified Physics With Johnydon22 Part 1 (newton's Laws Of Motion) by dorox(m): 6:58am On Apr 15, 2016 |
Geofavor: "Abiogenesis is a spin-off of the bigbang." I heard you the first time, my question was how are they linked? While on the subject I will like to know which theory about the birth of the universe and the creation of life appeals to you the most. |
Christianity Etc › 60-year-old Christian Woman Publicly Caned For Breaking Sharia Law by dorox(op): 7:20pm On Apr 14, 2016 |
Don't believe muslims when they tell you that the introduction of sharia law over society will not affect non-muslims, it is a big lie. A 60-year-old Christian woman was caned yesterday (April 12) in Indonesia’s Banda Aceh province—for breaking rules aimed at Muslims. It was the first time somebody from outside the Islamic faith was caned under the province’s harsh sharia regulations.
In the same nation where beachgoers in Bali throw back beers and frolic in bikinis, the woman was whipped nearly 30 times with a rattan cane before a crowd of hundreds, for the crime of selling alcohol. The canings are performed in public with shaming in mind. While many onlookers find the punishments hard to watch, some shout insults at the victims and hold up their cameraphones to record and share the macabre spectacle.
Until recently, sharia regulations applied only to the province’s Muslim population. But under bylaws that went into effect late last year, now members of other religions can also be punished under the rules—although until yesterday it wasn’t clear just how far that would go.
EPA/GIBRAN A 2014 caning in Banda Aceh. Banda Aceh is the only province in Indonesia allowed to implement Islamic law. For decades it tried to break free from the nation, and to help end the separatist movement Jakarta agreed to give the province a degree of autonomy—including the right to use sharia law. Since the two sides struck a peace deal in 2005, following the devastating tsunami that struck the region, the province has steadily implemented more sharia regulations.
When the new bylaws were passed late last year, many voiced concerns about how non-Muslims would be affected. Islamic leaders sought to allay their fears.
“The fact is that Muslims in Aceh do tolerate religious freedom and we can coexist without any problems,” Teungku Faisal Ali, head of the provincial chapter of the influential Muslim organization Nahdlatul Ulama, told BenarNews at the time. “We don’t want to raise the impression that Islamic law in Aceh infringes on the rights of non-Muslims… It doesn’t [force] sharia law on non-Muslims because they are free to observe their own faiths and beliefs.”
The Christian woman caned yesterday—and no doubt in considerable pain today—might beg to differ. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/christian-woman-caned-in-indonesia_us_570ea448e4b0ffa5937e0482 |
Science/Technology › Re: Simplified Physics With Johnydon22 Part 1 (newton's Laws Of Motion) by dorox(m): 6:59pm On Apr 14, 2016 |
Geofavor: sorry If I seemed a bit cranky earlier.
@ the bolded, I'm not disputing that. True, they're different subject matters. But without the first one, there wouldn't be the second. This is why I took the theories as a single whole; a single whole which is just subdivided (if i may say).
Maybe you don't see it, but there is a link between the two theories -- abiogenesis is a spin-off of the bigbang. Can you tell me the link please? |
Science/Technology › Re: Simplified Physics With Johnydon22 Part 1 (newton's Laws Of Motion) by dorox(m): 12:47pm On Apr 14, 2016*. Modified: 6:58pm On Apr 14, 2016 |
Geofavor: clap for yaself, stephen hawking.
Before rushing into discarding what I said in a flash, pause and think. The bigbang suggests the inception of everything -- the begining of the universe, right?
Now, if the universe didn't come to be, subsequently, would there be life? The answer to this is what I was talking about.
What you said is just like saying fire has nothing to do with a cooked food because it isn't part of the ingredients in the cooked food. Hello my friend, there is no need for the attitude. We are all here to discuss our individual understanding of science and in the process learn from each other. It is expected of a forum like this to generate lots of disagreement, but to go about calling someone you disagree with names is uncalled for and does not help our discussion but derails it. Your analogy about cooked food and fire does not apply because they are two separate things related by fire cooking food, one does not constitute the other. A better analogy will be the relationship between the earth and man. Every elements present in our body is from the earth, so one can theorise that a human can be made from the earth if a process can be found that will combine materials from the earth in exactly the same shape and form of a human atom by atom. Now evolution is just one process, maybe it is wrong, but there are others and one of them has to be right because man exist. Which brings me to the point I made earlier that the theory of how the eatrth came to be is a different subject matter to how the elements of the earth combined to form the first man in the same way that the theory of how the universe came to be is a different subject from the theory of how life came about. |
Science/Technology › Re: A Brain Implant Brings A Quadriplegic’s Arm Back To Life by dorox(op): 10:45am On Apr 14, 2016 |
dancuz: nice.tell this to your african mother and she will say it is spiritual I know of quite a few Nigerian university graduates that will say it is witchraft disguised as science. |
Science/Technology › Re: Simplified Physics With Johnydon22 Part 1 (newton's Laws Of Motion) by dorox(m): 9:00am On Apr 14, 2016 |
Geofavor: It still doesn't make sense to me. That's one scientific theory I refuse to agree on. I haven't really delved into it, though (maybe because I'm not intrigued by the Idea). I don't really like the Idea that living matter came out of a mass of energy and non-living matter. The big bang theory explains how the universe began from the expansion caused by the cataclysmic explosion of a primordial infinitely dense atom of infinitesimally small dimensions resulting in the creation of matter, space and time. It has nothing to do with life. Evolution on the other hand explains how matter given time and space with the right amount of energy can spontateously combine to form a self replicating organic entity aka living organism. |
Science/Technology › A Brain Implant Brings A Quadriplegic’s Arm Back To Life by dorox(op): 8:14am On Apr 14, 2016 |
IAN BURKHART HAS been a cyborg for two years now. In 2014, scientists at Ohio State’s Neurological Institute implanted a pea-sized microchip into the 24-year-old quadriplegic’s motor cortex. Its goal: to bypass his damaged spinal cord and, with the help of a signal decoder and electrode-packed sleeve, control his right arm with his thoughts. Cue the transhumanist cheers!
Neuroengineers have been developing these so-called brain-computer interfaces for more than a decade. They’ve used readings from brain implants to help paralyzed patients play Pong on computer screens and control robotic arms. But Burkhart is the first patient who’s been able to use his implant to control his actual arm.
Over the past 15 months, researchers at the Ohio State University Wexner Medical Center and engineers from Battelle, the medical group that developed the decoder software and electrode sleeve, have helped Burkhart relearn fine motor skills with weekly training sessions. In a paper in Nature, they describe hooking a cable from the port screwed into Burkhart’s skull (where the chip is) to a computer that translates the brain signals into instructions for the sleeve, which stimulates his muscles into moving his wrist and fingers.
When Burkhart thinks “clench fist,” for example, the implanted electrodes record the activity in his motor cortex. Those signals are decoded in real-time, jolting his arm muscles in all the right places so that his fingers curl inwards. But he can do more than make a fist: Using the one-of-a-kind system, he’s learned to shred a video game guitar, pour objects from a bottle, and pick up a phone. “Card swiping is the most impressive movement right now,” says Herb Bresler, a senior researcher at Battelle. “It demonstrates fine grip as well as coarse hand movements.”
If Burkhart can swipe credit cards after a year, he might play the piano after five—that’s how long similar chips have lasted—because he and the computer have been learning from each other. But the implant will stop collecting signals in July when it’s removed, even if the chip is still providing good data, because the clinical trial was structured for a two-year period. In those two years, the computer trained itself on Burkhart’s thoughts, learning which signals translate to what movements, while he figured out how to make commands more clearly (often with the help of visual cues). “That’s the real achievement here. We’ve shown we know how to process the data,” says Bresler. “The chip is a limiting factor. We need to work on new ways of collecting brain signals.”
Though similar neuroprosthetics have been helpful in reducing tremors in Parkinson’s patients, they still have a ways to go. Besides the serious, invasive surgery, there’s always a chance the body will reject an array, blocking any attempts to record and transmit brain signals while ensuring you get patted down at every airport security scanner, forever. “Something will replace this array,” says Bresler. “Future signal collection devices will cover a larger area of the brain and be less invasive.”
Drawbacks aside, the electrode sleeve and decoding software wouldn’t be where they are today without the array driving them. With improved collection devices, these products could eventually help stroke victims recover by reteaching their brain to use their limbs, while quadriplegics could mount similar systems on their wheelchairs. At the very least, the neuroprosthetic experiment suggests that in the future, paralysis might not mean dependence—and that deserves a fist bump. http://www.wired.com/2016/04/quadriplegic-uses-brain-implant-control-muscles/ |
Christianity Etc › Re: Islamists Close Indonesian Church Weeks After It Opened by dorox(m): 10:21am On Apr 13, 2016 |
Blackfire: Islam can never survive in a competitive environment, so its inward mechanism is to dominate with no one to question it.
But other religion survival mechanism is to be able to interact with others.
Islam is afraid of its own very shadow.
Even on this nairaland they ve the khadijat gown covering them in Islamic section and a very sympathetic MOD with them.
If u are a Muslim and u insult me, your life will never remain the same.
Blackfire is back. Where is my ari3l? Well said. It is the only religion that claims to be a religion of peace and will kill whoever disagrees in countries where the peaceful sharia is law. |
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Christianity Etc › Re: Driving Exposes Women To Evil, Churches Must Be Destroyed by dorox(m): 3:16pm On Apr 12, 2016 |
The scary thing is that this person is not a nut-job whacky Florida pastor with a few dozen members espousing such a vile mysogenistic and regressive world view, but a respected Arab cleric with state backing. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do People Find It Difficult To Pay TITHES? by dorox(m): 1:56pm On Apr 08, 2016 |
How does paying tithe to a pastor help develop the social infrastructure of our communities? I still can't understand how an adult can be idiotic to the extent of paying a tenth of his income to a pastor, it makes absolutely no sense to me. I am curious to hear from any tithe payer of the benefits they get from paying tithe. Personally, I think Nigeria would have been in a better state of things if people paidtheir taxes instead of tithes and held those in government accountable for how their tax naira is spent. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is It Biblical Sendin Your Tithes To A Church Outside Your Country Of Residence by dorox(m): 9:18am On Apr 08, 2016 |
Tithe is a holy scam used by men of god to enrich their pockets. It is a practice that is not supported in the bible account of the first century christians. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do You Go To Church During Fuel Scarcity? by dorox(m): 12:39pm On Apr 07, 2016 |
Logicbwoy: On this Sunday that just passed, I drove through my former church on my way to get fuel and I noticed that the church was almost it usual attendance. The fuel scarcity had little effect on the numbers of people in the church.
This led me to wonder, why people still drive to church despite the economic hardship facing us in this country.
-Are they going to church to beg God for the thousandth time to stop the fuel scarcity- a scarcity that keeps on recurring? -Are they going to church to miraculously make fuel appear int heir tanks? -Are they going just to receive the AC in the church since there is probably no light at home? -Why dont they save the fuel in their car for work instead? -Why didnt TB Joshua and other prophets of doom predict the fuel scarcity?
This leads me to a theory about suffering. There is an argument that the hopeless turn to God or religion as a crutch. And truly, if you notice, countries that are poor or suffering are usually more religious. It seems that many need a hero, a messiah to bring them salvation from their unsolvable problems.
Honestly, why do people think it is worth it to go to church during this fuel scarcity? Hasn't God failed Nigeria enough? Nigeria keeps getting harder- no light, no fuel, no jobs, bad roads etc. Nigeria keeps sinking deeper into an abyss.
cc Joshthefirst, kingebukasblog, plaetton, johnydon22, sonoflucifer, analice07, winner01, reyginus What you don't know is that you can power your car on holy spirit alone provided your faith is as strong as such Men of God like Daddy G.O Adeboye and Pastor Chris that have publicly claimed to have driven for hundreds of miles without a single drop of fuel. |
Christianity Etc › Re: How Christians Can Put Their Angels To Work by dorox(m): 9:15am On Apr 07, 2016 |
Instead of dwelling on fantasy that offers nothing but the empty promise of a magical break through, you guys should learn how to put you brain to work in the real world by thinking critically. |