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This youtube video of him is similar in formart to the scam you just described. The real action started just after the five minutes mark, before then it was just songs and some meaningless dribble to get the already weak minds of the sheeple properly sedated. I hope it plays on your desktop because my phone could only get the mobile youtube link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?hl=en&client=mv-google&gl=GB&v=W8YI44puWK8&nomobile=1
This man is a wicked con man, and for someone to watch this video and not come to that realisation means that the person is either too much of a mumu or a fellow wicked person derserving to be conned.

sambennywhite: It offers it members a get five get rich program,were you can become rich by just having five downlines. it working. See it @ www.paydaynigeria.com

Another pyramid scheme being peddled by a greedy and wicked person cloaked in religious piety

Shiloh 2012! Same scam in double portion

vanstanzy: Atheist alert! Caution, an atheist has been detected!

Why is it hard for you to believe that i am a christian?

The guy has truly received his reward in full.

I hope she has learnt her lesson, that she should never smoke that stuff again, it messes with the brain,you begin to see things especially at that young age.

General Garicks: this is highly spiritual. dont comment on an area you do not understand.

Can you also explain how people get healed A blind man starts seeing or the lame starts walking without being touched park well before God does that for you.

You should first provide us with incontrovertible evidence of people miraculously getting healed - "A blind man starts seeing or the lame starts walking without being touched" and if i could add an amputated limb being restored, before asking others to explain how the healing was accomplished. Bear in mind that when making an argument, that without proof everything goes, i could ask you to explain how an elephant was able to fly like bird across the atlantic or how one baba's child is strong enough to stop a train on its tracks, just to help me support another ridiculous argument.

RedReact: When some people speak in tongues, the language can be some other peoples' language, whose country or land has never been.
There was a case like that in which an illiterate old woman was speaking in tongue but the language she was speaking was English. It happened in Ilesa, Osun State. The woman never understood English, neither could she recite ABC.
We have tongues of men and that of angels and that is why it is being referred to as 'diverse kinds of tongues.'
What many believers speak as tongue are tongues of angels, I.e languages on no one, and can only be interpreted by the Giver of that gift Himself, the Holy Ghost.

Where you there when this illiterate old woman miraculously spoke in a language she did not previously understand. or you heard the story from someone who heard it from someone who heard it from someone... who heard it from someone that heard it from 'them say'?
Most nigerians are like you, they reason like children always ready to accept any incredible story as fact. The quote below shows that someone has clearly accepted this unverified story as fact and i won't be surprised for him to narrate this same story he heard from someone he doesn't know as if he was there himself.

Originalsly: Is this not an example of someone receiving the gift of tongue? Note... whatever she said could be understood or interpreted. To the defenders of the hmmm....uninterpretable tongues.... why do you talk aloud when the Bible made it clear that you should be silent if there is no interpreter?... hello?

Those of you calling this distinguished man of god a sinner should be very careful that you don't invite curse on you and your kids born and yet unborn. Just keep quiet and mind your business, allow God alone to be the judge of his servant. He made a mistake, so what? Do you know if he has gone down on his knees to use his special relationship with God - you know the one he uses to call for divine favor on us to ask for God's forgiveness?
May his loins continue to remain anointed.

He is an anointed man of god who had accepted jesus as his lord and savior which prevents him from being a sinner, but though he may err as he just did, the anointing will still be present in his loins according to my friend joagbaje.

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Joagbaje: Tithe Is acceptable From those Who serve God. A sexworker is Not serving God.

So sex workers are not allowed to tithe but thieves like Lawrence Agada and Okoro Osagie are welcomed to tithe. Hypocrites.

elampiro: Why was his sickness not reported? And why was his death not announced immediately?

For the simple reason that it is bad for business.

@coogar: justwise is right, asylum claim is not as easy as you make it seem

I don't know what he can do right now, but having lived in the uk illegally for eight years, another six would qualify him to apply for indefinite leave to remain if he can prove to the home office that he has been living in the uk for 14 years. Of course, a lot can happen in 6 years, he may very well regullarise his stay, but failure to do that he should make sure that he is able to trace his history to the day he landed in the uk.

Nice one frosbel.

cyrexx: Mr Dorox and Mr Frosbel,

I hope you wont see me as an enemy due to my godlessness and total rejection of religion altogether, but your posts has got me thinking that maybe i have had a taste of christianity of the wrong type that has left a very bitter taste in my mouth, hence my godlessness.

Thank you once again, Dorox, for your insightful posts, as well as Frosbels' scriptural exegesis. I cant imagine myself in heaven with a tyrant god who tortures my non-christian family members for all eternity simply because they are non-christians. You guys have presented a different type of Christian Deity different from the one i was raised to know.

Is there any literature or website you can direct me to so i can expand my knowledge about this true Christian Deity who is NOT the same as the unforgiving malevolent eternal torturer we were taught about. Thanxx

I have never thought of you or any atheist/agnostic as an enemy, how could i? when i used to be an agnostic not too long ago and except for two of my sisters, the rest of my family( my mum two brothers and a sister)are godless and proud of it and i love them.
But for my sisters who made the kind of arguments i am making now, i wouldn't be religiously inclined. Even now my faith in God is not quite strong, so i don't know if i am in a good position to tell you about christianity. With regards to your question about literature, my sisters are jehovah's witnesses and i do find some of their literature interesting.

frosbel: They will tell you that finite sins are committed against an infinite God and therefore merit an infinite punishment.

I have looked all over my bible for this verse, but it does not exist

Or, to add to your beautiful logic if you may permit me, it's like telling my wife, if you leave me you will be tortured with the most unimaginable horrors ever known to man, and then she stays with me not because she loves me but out of fear.

God has put before us only 2 options :

1. Life
2. Death

He gave Adam the same options life and death .

In Genesis 2:17 God tells Adam regarding the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, “in the day that you eat from it you shall surely die.”
In Deuteronomy 30:19 God says "This day I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live"

Ever since the world began, man has had 2 choices , LIFE or DEATH , not LIFE and ETERNAL Torture.

This eternal torture thing is from the catholic church, it is cruel and has driven countless millions away from the gospel.

Nice post frosbel, but you can be sure that neither Mr Anony nor his twin will even try to tackle the fundamental issues we have raised regarding the love, wisdom,justice, fairness and mercy of a god that torments unbelievers in a fiery hell for eternity, without end or the hope of salvation simply because he can. They would rather try to sound intelligent by reducing words to some mechanistic hogwash of nonsense that has no bearing to the issues being discussed all in an attempt to avoid being honest with themselves.
Their evasive tactics did not come as a surprise to me, it was what i expected because they know that giving in to the intuitive truth their humanity is telling them about the unfairness of everlasting torture will cause them to question the nature of God and come to the realization that the concept of hellfire is inspired by wickedness and not love. Its objective is to teach obedience out of morbid fear and not out of awesome respect. In fact, they will realize that their God is not love personified but wickedness himself, the very satan. Who else could have thought of such a God forsaken place of torture?

McAdem: thanks dorox,I surely believe in heaven but should we now leave these devil incarnate to destroy this country with our hand s folded?
Read Luke 10:19...He has given us authority to trample......and we need to resist the devil James 4:7.

As much i believe in heaven my responsibility on earth should not be neglected.



I say Amen.

How has your prayers and that of other nigerians helped the country? So you think that by replying amen to each other prayers and repeating the mantra 'all is well' many times in a day that all will truly be well?
You are not a serious person, that you reason like a child makes it difficult for me to help you and believe me i truly want to help you reason but i don't know where to start from.

Mr_Anony: Small point to note: How does one have the ability to choose if the one does not first possess conscious life?
It is very simple the way I see it. God gives us life. We can either choose to retain it or reject it.

You still haven't answered my question which is: how is it fair to give someone a gift without giving the person the choice to accept it or not?
It is like giving a house to a homeless person and informing the homeless person after moving in that failure to abide by your rules would be met with the most sever punishment imaginable and it will last forever. Then the homeless person tells you thanks but no thanks, that he would rather remain homeless than risk being tormented forever. But you said to him, no way! You have the choice whether to obey and continue to stay in my house or disobey and receive everlasting torture but not the choice to reject the offer of staying in my house. Does that sound like a fair deal to you?

Read my previous post again and try to answer the questions raised instead of looking for how to avoid them

dorox: Your explanation of 'choice' will only work if the gift of life from God comes with preconditions, i.e God was somehow able to communicate to us in our none existent state about the punishment of eternal torment should we fail to oblige by his rules if we choose to be born. Given such a choice, most people,myself included and probably you as well if you are honest with yourself will happily reject God's gift of life.
The evidence from the scriptures shows that God gave us life out of the abundance of his love and without preconditions, but for us to continue living we must adhere to the conditions set by God. Adam and Eve chose to disobey God hence they died, they became lifeless dust.

redsun: Do you know that what you pray for is what you have in mind,and what you in mind is what get?All you need to do is do it.That is prayer.

What do you have in mind and how has prayer helped you to get it over time?

McAdem: Some month ago in my church,my pastor said that there was a vision being revealed that all these shedding of blood in this country were been perpetrated by the mighty ones in the country.Thereby using Boko haram ,fatal accidents and communal clashes e.t.c as excuses for the shedding of blood.He went further to let us know that these people made vow of blood with the devil as a sacrifice in each state of the federation,and that the blood of innocents are been spilled everyday, those of the ones we have been hearing and that of ones unheard of.All these because of wealth and position.We have been praying against these people and that their vows of shedding blood should backfire on them and their family.

I have been meditating on this prophecy since,been troubled and praying along also,praying that my blood and that of my family should not be wasted. Base on this assertion I implore Nairaland Christians to let us rise up and pray for the country and rebuke these wicked people in this country rather than fighting ourselves unnecessarily.

GOD heal and bless our country. Amen

E be like say you no belive say heaven dey wait for you after death, abi na say you no just like heaven?

H$LBroker:
go to the G.O and get the list of the partners, you are trying God

Stop threatening people with your false idea of god, it makes you appear moronic. Instead you should take a brief pause from reacting as a member of his church and ponder on the criticism that has been made about him. You might just suprise yourself if you do.

frosbel: Hell For Ever" is a case where The Punishment Exceeds The Crime and seems to violate the nature of God, which is Love and Mercy. This would be like the Penalty for stealing a loaf of bread is being beaten half to death or having your hand cut off (as literally taught in The Koran).

http://www.satansrapture.com/hell4ever.htm

The examples you gave though babaric and unfair to the victims, when compared to Hellfire one could easily make the argument that it is a humane punishment inspired by love.

The muslim terrorist kill in the name of Allah and the religion of islam but those 'Aluu boys' were not shouting the name of Jesus while carrying out their terrible act. Even muslims get scared at the shout of allahu akbar in a crowded place that is not a mosque.

Mr_Anony: Oh I'm sorry, I must have missed it.



Lot's of assumptions here: God did not create man with a default sinful nature. Sin is entirely man's fault and Hell is a consequence of wrong choices. Unless you want God to take away man's freechoice then man won't be able to commit sin. It appears to me that you want man to have the choice to sin or not to sin but not face the consequences of sin. I see you also suggested total annihilation somewhere there - well that's an option.

You also talked about worshiping out of fear. I'll say that's just how you have chosen to see things. For instance, I'll assume you are not a lawbreaker. Do you keep the laws of Nigeria because you don't want to go to prison or because you are a patriotic citizen.

The emotional argument of whether I can torture a living being is also irrelevant here. What is relevant here is whether sin deserves punishment or not.

Your explanation of 'choice' will only work if the gift of life from God comes with preconditions, i.e God was somehow able to communicate to us in our none existent state about the punishment of eternal torment should we fail to oblige by his rules if we choose to be born. Given such a choice, most people,myself included and probably you as well if you are honest with yourself will happily reject God's gift of life.
The evidence from the scriptures shows that God gave us life out of the abundance of his love and without preconditions, but for us to continue living we must adhere to the conditions set by God. Adam and Eve chose to disobey God hence they died, they became lifeless dust.

You don't hear of an amputated limb being made whole because it is not easy to fake.

Deep Sight: Where is Enigma? He will either jump on a high horse and ignore this thread, or claim that nobody here is being "intellectually honest"

Olodo of a swine that he is.

This kind of name calling is very wrong, the height i used to hold you is a little lower as a result and your personal attack on Enigma does not serve any useful purpose to the issue being discussed.

Evil Brain: Looks like you're doing a good job of that yourself.

To be honest, I'm no longer a Christian and even if I was, I wouldn't pay tithe because it has no basis in scripture. But I'd like to encourage all you Christians who do pay tithe to consider giving it to charity or perhaps a motherless babies home.

Pastors tend to spend money in ways that have almost zero benefit to society. In fact, when they make noise at night, deceive people on TV with fake miracles and litter everywhere with their tracts, they're actually using your money to do evil.

And unlike tithing, giving to charity actually has a scriptural basis. And you can be more confident that your money will be put to good use keeping disadvantaged children alive and helping them have a decent future.

"Whatsoever you do for these little ones, you do for me." Its something to think about.

Except for the part where you have totally rejected christianity in any form, i am in complete agreement with you.

nonylove: 1st part i do not agree with cos it is not our tithe that is feeding them God has a way of providing for His servant .
You pay tithe to secure your own future it is for ur own good.
You should learn to control ursef by not calling pple names on NL. u kno usef

Do not be deceived, unless God don dey make money rain from sky,it is the hard earned money you and other church members donate as tithes and offering they spend so lavishly.
Have you ever wondered why any giving as test to God is alway directed at the preacher, why not somebody in need?
These greedy pastors will ask you for your last kobo (violent offering) as a test of faith to build their shcool while they are busy holidaying abroad with your money. They won't even compromise their lavish lifestyle to build their schools and palatial homes, but when it comes to other people money, they have no qualms in asking for them to make sacrifice.

okpara ugo: And so?

Do you pay tax to government and later go back for your money because you overpaid or sourced the money illegally

Give to Ceasar what is Ceasar's and to God what is God's.

EFCC should come up with a better accusation to nail him b4 i inquire about the price of Garriandbeans.

If you can prove that you overpaid tax, yes you can make claim for tax refund.

truthislight: Thats because the muslim God cannot defend itself like the christian God, so, it follows must take action

Mohammed was a fighter, he ordered men into battle to defend and expand his new religion/empire while Jesus shunned the politics of his day and told his followers not pick up the sword.
From this brief summary of Jesus and Mohhamed, you can see that a true immitator or" mohhamedian" can easily become rabidly violent when provoked, while a true immitator of Jesus or christian is not expected to be violent when provoked.

musKeeto: hw did i get here?

Boredom perhaps?