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Krayola:
Now go join the gooners in that little corner over there and don't utter a word till next season.

Stop that nonsense, we're still very much in contention for the PL, nothin for Mumunich this season. Let DK go on his walk of shame alone.

v3:
^^
Don't be surprised if you see him play. We did the same with Cesc at Nou Camp

Was just about to say this, the initial call by Arsene was obviously hasty based on what he had seen, the tests might have shown otherwise. Would be great if he is back in 2 - 3 weeks, the 2 weeks international break could be very timely.
Let them just go and beat West Brom by a 4 goal margin first so that we even go top of the table for sometime. 

These miraculous recoveries are however getting amusing and ridiculous how could Nani have been ruled out for a month only to be certified fit in less than 2 weeks? dem don dey use Juju for PL abi Madame Kova don start black market treatment? 

hannie:
Gibbs, for all his hype was officially rubbish on saturday and I cant see people comment on that . . .

You are very right, ever since he came back from his broken foot, seems the lad has been afraid to fully commit to tackles. The goal conceeded against Leyton Orient was a warning of things to come.

[quote author=*Cougar* link=topic=613256.msg7911428#msg7911428 date=1300137284]can we see some evidence of these accusations?[/quote]If you can't see them already, I'll show them to you when yu show evidence of me lying.

[quote author=*Cougar* link=topic=613256.msg7911331#msg7911331 date=1300136015]which objectivity have i lost here? everything i have typed here is a factual statement. i don't pluck numbers out of the atmosphere.
season is far from over and yet arsenal are out of 3 of the remaining 4 competitions. . . . .some gaynners do have them. [/quote]Yes you state some facts but your conclusion from such facts are usually absurd or just plain irrelevant. Atimes yu correctly write the number 2 but you then take a look at it and tell us its 4

[quote author=*Cougar* link=topic=613256.msg7911238#msg7911238 date=1300134765]kc jazz is actually better than fufuface. kcjazz can be economical with the truth but i can understand his problem. mumuface on the other hand is a liar and he's deluded.[/quote]DK I can understand, he is just lonely on his munschit thread but you are nigh hitting the streets in yur birthday suit.

kcjazz:
@Duduspace You can't win with this folks, when peeps make their mind up about an issue they throw every objectivity to the wind, well done for always calling them out. Its a tough time to be an Arsenal fan. Depending on how they respond on Saturday, the season is not over yet.

Cougar loses his objectivity when its a discussion about Arsenal,  The season is far from over but even the most convinced Gooner would have been shaken by the events of these past 2 weeks. The league at least is still largely in our hands. If the lads fail, they only have themselves to blame.

[quote author=*Cougar* link=topic=613256.msg7910988#msg7910988 date=1300131718]shut up your dirty mouth, all the money from the debt went to the shareholders who sold their stake to the glazers. when fergie pissed the former owners off during the feud of "rock of gibraltar" racehorse saga, they sold off their shares to malcolm glazer. the glazers haven't spent a penny of theirs on man utd since they arrived. why won't the glazers show a true picture of their finances when there are external auditors who look into the club accounts? why are you such a stark illiterate? for as little as one pound, you can get a copy of the last financial statement of man utd. . . .it's called freedom of information.[/quote]Stop sounding like Dumbo's younger brother, where did I say the Glazers spent a dime of their money? didn't all the firms who went bust during the credit crunch have external auditors but did they not successfully hide things off their balance sheets?
And nowhere have I heard an external auditors come out to say all the debt at Manure was from the LBO.

[quote author=*Cougar* link=topic=613256.msg7910988#msg7910988 date=1300131718]what has this got to do with anything? whether xavi and iniesta got to la masia in their babyhood means squat. if they strolled into la masia at age 21, they would always be good players. talent is in-born![/quote]Irrelevant and silly argument and obsfucation of issues, can anyone stroll into La Masia at 21?  

[quote author=*Cougar* link=topic=613256.msg7910988#msg7910988 date=1300131718]whether the program was in place since 1800 or 2010, arsenal do not have the attraction to pull prodigious talents all over the globe like barcelona can do. it is a disgrace you are using the excuses of age to mask the failure of the arsenal academy. look at the calibre of players in your academy and compare them to world class talents in other european academies. which of your youngster has lit up any youth competition at the world stage? none! how many arsenal academy products have won mvps in fifa/uefa organised competitions? none! beckham, giggs, scholes, etc did not join man utd at age 8/9 and yet they carved a niche for themselves. why can't arsenal academy products do the same?[/quote]Dumb argument again, Arsenal do not have the attraction but can take Cesc, Toral, Merida and Ignasi Miquel off Barcelona and piss them off in the process, wonder who is growing fat in the tool box.  

[quote author=*Cougar* link=topic=613256.msg7910988#msg7910988 date=1300131718]the reason you are confused about this is because you are a tool. the age players come to club has nothing to do with this. the real determinant is if they actually pass through the academy. for instance, da silvas are not academy products even though they joined at age 18 but guiseppe rossi is a product of man utd academy. cesc fabregas never played in the academy even though he joined arsenal at 16 whereas gerard pique who joined united at 17 graduated from united's academy. george best was discovered by united scout at 15 but he passed through united academy(he spent 2 yrs in the academy). ronaldo went straight into the senior team(he never played in united's academy) so he is not united's academy product.

this isn't ambiguous but i don't expect a gaynner to understand the dynamics - you people are the dullest set of football fans in the world.[/quote]You're now tying yurself up in Knots and that isn't surprising, haven't you claimed CR9 on here before as a Manure product? and when you talk about going through the academy system are you aware that Cesc has a Youth cup appearance for Arsenal? How many appearances exactly does a player need to have to be considered as having passed through the academy system?

dayokanu:
Bayern is one of the best run clubs, profitable, builts its own stadium and wins trophies in between. This is something Arsenal can never achieve in this Lifetime.

Sharrap dia and stop lying through your teeth, a lot of the money that went towards your stadium was through Government help and the 2006 WC. All you did was a modified West Ham Olympics stadium move.
Despite all the external help, you still had to sell a 10% stake to Audi to offset some of your 'gbese'

[quote author=*Cougar* link=topic=613256.msg7910798#msg7910798 date=1300129742]stop lying through your teeth. the rules back in the days will not allow anyone under 16 to sign for any big club. nothing to do with wenger, but the football association rules that have now relaxed the laws and allow kids to join clubs because football clubs now offer academic exercises unlike the way it was back in the days. whether a club picks players at 15/16 or 8/9, a talented player is a talented player.[/quote]So what are we talking about here? you prove my point but can't see it? is it a must to argue blindly? The reason why La Masia is much appreciated now is because they are the quintesential model of building up players from early ages. Do you know what ages Iniesta, Xavi and co entered the La Masia program?

If as you rightly point out that the rules did not permit it in the past, aren't you proving the point that Arsenal did not have such a program in the past until Arsenal came? 

Cesc Fabregas came to Arsenal as a 16 year old, you lot will always come on here and tell us he is from La Masia?
George Best came to Manure as a 16 year old, who remembers whatever club he played for in Northern Ireland till then? you will gladly claim him as Manure producing a Ballon D' Or. CR9 came as a full fledged 18 year old international but you will claim him as another Manure product. Can you make up your mind please?

[quote author=*Cougar* link=topic=613256.msg7910746#msg7910746 date=1300129151]so arsenal were trophyless for 6 yrs because they built a stadium? how much did arsenal actually borrow to finance the completion of this stadium? is it up to 700 million pounds the glazers lumped on united's shoulders? how come man utd marked their most successful haul of trophies when they are under a massive debt and arsenal couldn't even muster a community shield with their small debt? these excuses are getting stale. the stadium had nothing to do with wenger's failure. building the emirates had nothing to do with koscielny and szczesny having brain-farts in wembley.[/quote]1. You have not been paying your debts until recently
2. Some of the debt actually went towards buying players. I repeat not all of your debt came from the LBO even though it makes up the greater percentage, the Glazers will never show a true picture of your financial situation unlike Arsenal which is publicly traded.

[quote author=*Cougar* link=topic=613256.msg7910601#msg7910601 date=1300127725]tottenham hotspur, of course. mumuface has come again to tell us porkies. very soon, mumuface will tell us martin keown and ray parlour didn't graduate from arsenal academy. pat rice(wenger's assistant) is 61 yrs of age - he graduated from arsenal's academy. [/quote]This is dumb, every team on this earth has some form of academy, there is a very big difference between an Academy that picks players at 15/16 and one that starts from 8/9, those that are part time and those that are full time. Surely, you know the difference?    Prior to Arsene's arrival Arsenal didn't have such a formal program as La Masia

dayokanu:
Why are Arsenal fans such pathetic liars?

La masia was founded in 1979,

Barcelona won the league in 1984, Copa de Rey in 81, 83,88, 1990

Barcelona won the Winners cup in 1982 and 1989.

They won 7 trophies in the first 10yrs of la masia

1. Were they building a stadium at the same time?
2. Can you compare RM's trophy haul at the same time?

chic2pimp:
Don't kid yourself there is a Huge difference. The Barca Management team unlike Wengay know their jobs are on the line if they fail to win any significant trophy for 2 consecutive seasons let alone 6 so they had to slowly bring in academy players(the cream of the crop). Wengay on the hand is free from those kind of pressures hence why every Hoyte,Owusu Abeyie and Lupoli can make it to your first team.

Arsene is not free from any pressure, Barcelona slso didn't win much in the early days of La Masia, RM beat them hands down in the trophy stakes in the past.  

chic2pimp:
So we both basically agree that Arsenal's academy should never be compared to La Masia, right?

Depends on what yu're comparing. Kcjazz's assertion is mostly right. There is a high failure rate when dealing with youth, nothing any one of you says has voided that assertion.

dayokanu:
In Germany Stuttgart, Bremen and Wolfsburg who spent far less than bayern have won the league

Can you now come up with a Better lie this time around, Cos it seems every post of your must be laced with lies

Are you now saying Arsenal have never won the league? 
how many of those clubs have gone to Europe uninterrupted either in UCL or UEFA cup every year?

[quote author=*Cougar* link=topic=613256.msg7910440#msg7910440 date=1300125678]that statistics is flawed. only 10%? you must be a joker!!! i can count more than 50 players in barca's academy that have played for the senior team and as at 2009, only 440 players have passed through la masia.[/quote]Alright, so its 11.4%.

[quote author=*Cougar* link=topic=613256.msg7910323#msg7910323 date=1300124565]who is this tool for goodness sake? how can anyone say only 10% of barca academy products play for the senior team? valdes, puyol, pique, xavi, busquets, iniesta, pedro, bojan, messi are all starters and they all passed out of la masia. if you don't know your facts, stop posting on a forum.[/quote]Read his post very well, He says "Since it started", only 10% of academy graduates have gone on to play for the senior team.

chic2pimp:
Dude is now comparing Arsenal's academy to La Masia.Smh
Delusion of Grandeur. A trait mostly found in Gayyners.

Apart from the fact that one started earlier than the other and by default has more products to show, any difference? are you aware that it took La Masia all of 9 years to get their first graduate into the first team. Go read up the history.
Hale End Academy was inaugurated in 2002 and one of the original starters at 9 years old is Jack Wilshere who is already a first team member.

proudly9ja:
Me just dey joke o, We are the 'galacticos' of U18 league, lol

I didn't give Steve Bould enough credit TBH, we actually generally play most of our players a year above their normal age level.

proudly9ja:
I don't support AW leaving to be honest. He is a great coach. We play arguably the best football on the land. I believe is AW brings in two or three 'Arshavin' like signings, he'l have an unbelievable team. His flaw has always been letting his heart lead him rather than him head (at least that's what I think).

This is where most of us Arsenal fans disagree, most think its Arsene just being stubborn while some like me believe there is some financial limitation involved (at least in the past). However, that excuse is now past which is why I would be disappointed if we don't win anything this season. If we don't, the team and Arsene should come and tender an apology to all arsenal fans and then he gets only 1 more season to put things right.

proudly9ja:
Should we then bring in Steve Bould?

Unfortunately, we really can't U18 league where yu've mostly got the best players available sounds more Mourinho than Arsene to me.  
Pep had the opportunity to test himself out in the Segunda, something not allowed in the PL.

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=613256.msg7909647#msg7909647 date=1300118485]@Duduspace
And u wonder why people think u are a Wenger apologist! Its statements like these that drive people mad! Who was Guardiola before Barca picked him? What clout or pedigree did he have? Who was Wenger himself before he came to Arsenal? Who was Fergie before he came to Man U? How would u know if you don't try? Is it till we don't make the UCL and still finish trophyless before u realize that perhaps Wenger's tank is on E?[/quote]

So many people have been waiting for that part in bold to happen for the past 6 years but it hasn't. Guardiola worked with the Barcelona B team and knew those lads inside out, it was almost more like he was specifically groomed for that role and Barcelona is not on a project like Arsenal is at present.
This youth project needs to be given every time it requires to be succesful, I cannot guarantee any other coach is capable of seeing that through. Arsene has started it and needs to complete it.

[quote author=*Cougar* link=topic=613256.msg7909612#msg7909612 date=1300118257]what was wenger's pedigree when he joined arsenal? a useless club in japan is pedigree? there more than a dozen managers who in europe that have got good pedigrees. matter of fact, there are plenty of them.

rafa benitez will do a good job in arsenal. . . . . . sack wenger, hire benitez.[/quote]Arsenal then and Arsenal now is a whole different ball game. Benitez might have won a UCL but I would gladly take Arsenal as we are now than take Liverpool as they are now.

@A-40

The problem is, I don't see a better available coach who can do what he has done or is doing talk less of being better. On the continent, maybe LVG and Hiddink. An Arsenal manager must command respect, have a good pedigree and of course has to deal with the board (whether you accept they are right or wrong, old and out of touch, exponents of sustainability or not, that aspect of Arsenal aint gonna change except life throws one of those curves out of the blues and one of Kroenke or Usmanov chooses to sell out to the other).

In England, I don't see anyone meeting those requirements bar Moyes (and I'm not sure he has the clout Arsene has though being an home boy might help him a bit). On the continent I don't see any who would fit in well and yes that includes "The pompous one", there is no Abramovic's millions rolling here and Barca did show him at the camp Nou some month's back. Yes, if Arsene drops dead tomorrow we'll just have to find someone but as far as I'm concerned while he lives I can't think of anyone else who'll be more suited for that post.

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=613256.msg7908764#msg7908764 date=1300111385]#np Meet me Halfway - Black Eyed Peas for Duduspace

E kii Hallelujah meje! Even Duduspace is gradually seeing the light by this time next season who knows he might want Wenger fired! I remember complaining about problem Number 1 last season when Wenger was deploying paceless wiggas like Nasri and Rosicky in the final 3rd
Shey person no hack Duduspace account? He even wants Diaby out of Arsenal?[/quote]Clarification, I will never want Arsene out. (Well maybe if things remain the same next season) but I don't think they will. Arsene still has done extremely well given his resources and this team has improved on from last season. He has also set this club on the right path to sustainable success. I really hope Arsene doesn't end up like Moses, he has done so much with so little compared to his peers, to me it would be a travesty if he doesn't witness that success. I think he has earned it.

As to Diaby, I don't necessarily want him out but I would be lying if I said he contributed much this season. I still don't doubt his talent but like RVP in the past, of what use is talent that is mostly found on the bench due to injury? we are all hungry for success and injury prone players who then need some time to get going only throw a spanner in the works.

Decided to write my conclusions on the season right now so my view doesn't get distorted with the absence or presence of silverware at the end of the season. This is the first season since the 05/06 season that I will be greatly disappointed in Arsenal not winning a trophy, the other times I've been able to rationalise and find reasons why but if we end up trophyless this season there will be no excuse, at the beginning of the season I believed we had a squad strong enough to win silverware and I still stand by that assertion.

Saturday's loss to Manure was painful and without excuse, the ref was brilliant but with all respect to manure under no circumstances should we be losing to that team they had out yesterday. Even after making some allowance for the home advantage, we should have at least gotten a draw and dragged them back to the Emirates.

If we do end up trophyless though, I will not call for Arsene's head  because in the grand scheme of things, I think he has done really well for the club in the transition period the club had to go through with the move to the emirates. Going forwards these are the areas where I think we need to work on next season 'whether we win silverware or not'.

1. Pace in the final third
2. Getting rid of the dead wood
3. Better use of our academy products

1. We need at least one more Theo type player in the final third who can go direct take people on and beat them for pace, care must be taken though that they are not like Arshavin and would fall back to cover their full backs, I was one of those on Theo's back last season but it is very clear now what he adds to us and even when I faulted Theo's technical ability, I never questioned his work ethic. Lack of such players result in our purposeless holding on to the ball without doing anything with it as was evident yesterday.

2. It is now clear that some players have to go, my list of those players who have  failed consistently in their supporting cast duties include primarily Denilson and Rosicky, to a lesser extent Arshavin, Diaby and B52 have either not shown up at crunch time or been injury distrupted. Denny in particular has no place in this club any longer in my opinion, I will repeat that anytime he comes into the side, we immediately become susceptible to conceeding on counter attacks.
If 3 out of the 5 I've listed are shown the exit door, I'll be very glad but at the barest minimum 2 of them must go.

3. Most people would question this assertion but sadly it is true, it would become more apparent when you consider the fact that the only reason Wilshere did not go out on loan at the beginning of the season was cos Cesc got injured, Dr. Kit has severally called for JET to play and I know for a fact that some of the players we have out on loan are either better than some of these guys who play every week or bring something different from what we have already in the squad for example Lansbury might not be as technically gifted as Denny but has a great engine and you can be sure would leave it all on the pitch unlike Denny.

@Debo

I'll watch the goals again but my grudge with Denny is that since he dropped out of the team, we stopped conceeding these break away counter attack goals, now that he is back Manure did exactly what they did to us last season, letting us have the ball and keeping it tight at the back only to hit us on the break.

We pay the price for not being efficient up front again.

Only thing I saw from the first goal was that JD wld have probably done better sticking tight to Hernandez, he couldn't have gotten that header otherwise. Wouldn't blame Kos much cos on a rebounding ball the attacking players always have a slight advantage cos the defender is just turning to face his goal and might need time getting his bearings or even atimes end up conceeding an own goal.

Can't remember who was arguing the fact that Arshavin doesn't protect his full back, its instructive to note that the 2 goals we conceeded came through Gibbs who was playing behind Arshavin again and both times Arshavin was nowhere to be found.

Squillaci and Kos shld be okay provided we dont face many long ball teams, only problem is we are only one injury away from Song becoming a CB and having to depend on Denny and co in MF again.

No excuses today, congratulations Manure
we should have been able to beat the team Manure put out, just imagine 6 or 7 defensive players playing against you and beating you 2 - 0.
VDS as man of the match is not enough reason to lose this.
I'm not sure even winning the PL can make up for this, though cup matches are always meeh, if there ever was an opportunity to beat Manure, it was today.

Having all the ball but lacking incisiveness to score has just got to stop when Barca had all the ball and beat us 3 - 1  
Players I want out at the end of the season in the order of preference:

1. Denilson - gets worse with each passing game, a 19 year old has overtaken you
2. Rosicky - great player in his prime but now past it
3. Arshavin - lazy git, all the creativity and ability in the world don't mean a thing if yu're lazy and can't go the extra mile to win.

Players I want dropping to the bench until they man up and just learn to take a stand and hate losing

1. Diaby

It is no wonder Cesc will have to play with a dodgy hammy and Song with a dodgy knee when yu can't depend on these guys.

Still hope they can do something in the PL sha, some players deserve to end this season with something.
Jack Wilshere can always leave the pitch with his head high.

Starting line-ups

Arsenal:
Almunia, Sagna, Koscielny, Djorou, Gibbs, Denilson, Diaby, Wilshere, Nasri, Arshavin, Van Persie

Manure:
VDS, Smalling, Vidic, Evra, Brown, Gibson, Rafael, Fabio, O'Shea, Hernandez, Rooney

That manure MF looks depleted, go boys.

To spice up this FA Cup 6th round match, here is the King himself "Nani Jackson" with his latest Hit Single "Smooth Carragher"

https://img810.imageshack.us/img810/4523/image001zw.gif

DISCLAIMER: This performance is a work of fiction and any similarities to true life events is either a miracle or a figment of your imagination.

Its the buzz in my office and those pictures look really awful, really concerned for the people of Japan at present. These are awful times for them. That nuclear reactor had better no blow up.

DK, I don tell yu to go sleeep off yur alcohol induced rants, can someone get this chap some valium please or Largactil if valium is not strong enough. 

dayokanu:
jack Wilshere has Started 22 games in the EPL for Arsenal and 18 EPL games for bolton total 40 games

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/122089/jack-wilshere?cc=5901

In 2007 Almunia already started 10 games

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/14582/manuel-almunia?cc=5901

while Sczeny has only started 8 EPL games

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/131634/wojciech-szcz%C4%99sny?cc=5901

So this points to it that WenGAY experimented vs barcelona. Does it make sense now Your royal foolishness  

Next excuse since your last one has been blown out of water

Wilshere and Szezesny are exceptional talent (internationals for their countries England and Poland as teenagers) while none of the other 2 yu mention has a cap for England and spain respectively up till now even in the latter stages of their career. Even then, some could choose to term Wilshere and Szczesny's appearance as experimentation in some way cos they have no experience playing at that level before compared to Xavi and Iniesta and the other players they played against. In reality yu've actually buttressed his point but I'm sure you and your fellow spaghetti brains can't see it. 
You could actually extend the same excuse for the other losses in finals to the Barcelona loss but we choose not to cos we believe our team is on the right path and we demand nothing less than trophies from them, if they do fall short however we are not blind and understand why they did.

dayokanu:
You never jam.
Na only stomach upset? It would soon give you "idakole" and possibly "atosi oloronmbo".
How una wan do the 6seasons of trophylessness?

Go siddon jare, the kaikai yu drink to celebrate the result never comot yur system? if you no careful I go book you in for the next AA meeting for yur area cos Alcohol poisoning dey threaten as yu dey so.